Very fine line there was a Freo vs Saints game the siren went umpire did not blow whisle game keep going Saint kick a point Siren went again umpire blow whistle game was a draw Freo complain AFL Then gave the win to freo AFL Broke it own rules
@@jecos1966 umpire did not hear the siren because the crowd was too loud apparently, only noticed when the freo players complained to him, you're not exactly correct, the afl did not break its own rules
Hi, please see the AFL rules. 10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END - In my humble opinion it was a goal. www.aflrules.com.au/afl-game-rules/part-d-pre-match-provisions/afl-rules-timekeepers-duration-of-matches-quarters-intervals/ 10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END 10.4.1 End of Quarter The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end. 10.4.2 Siren Heard by Field Umpire Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field Umpires or emergency field Umpire hears the siren. 10.4.3 Signal A field Umpire shall signal that they have heard the siren by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above their head.
@@Fusioness43 yes, the siren sounds to tell the umpire to blow the final whistle, otherwise, goals after the siren would never be an aspect of the game
To everyone saying the umpire hasn’t blown their whistle so it is a goal, the rules may say that but those were made when some games had no sirens. Now the siren determines it and if you slow it down he kicked it after the siren so it isn’t a goal.
All stars won, when the umpire blew the whistle to ball it up the time keepers still counted down till it didn't show the time so Fitzy would've kicked it, gone back to the centre siren would sound and they would've won.
But the siren is not the whistle, it is the indication. Plus, very slow clock stop after the whistle was blown on the tackle! They let the clock completely run dead.
This just popped up in my feed, your comment is pretty much spot on, you can't see his boot but straight away but the ball starts rising around the same frame the siren goes... If they were to follow the AFL rules it would be a goal, remember sirengate, unfortunately it was played in my home state
the official end of match signal is when the whistle is blown by the umpire when he hears the siren sound, not the siren itself, the siren is basically there to signal when the umpire starts and finishes each quarter, like you don't see the opening bounce happening exactly when the siren starts sounding, it's when the umpire blows his whistle and bounces the ball.
Not enough people understand that the game ends when the umpire blows the final whistle, AFTER the siren has sounded. Most of the no goal calls are based off of the theory that the siren ends the game and are therefore, incorrect
that's a stupid rule, Fremantle vs St Kilda 2006 literally went on for 10 seconds longer than it was supposed to and the umpire ruled the point the st kilda player kicked to tie the game to be no score because it occurred in the 10 seconds the game should have already been stopped. I do think he should have been allowed a goal here because this match means absolutely nothing and plus the VIC's were allowed a mark after the siren had gone in a match a year or two later. I also think that because he kicked it right on the siren.
@@doylersafl8728 this has nothing to do with Vic bias, I reckon they should have just let him have his moment, the game doesn’t matter anyways it’s just a bit of fun and to remember a legend
@@TotalDramaOwenandNoah the rules say the game ends when the umpire blows the whistle, therefore it's a goal. Saying otherwise is going against the rules. I reckon if it was a Vic player, they would've given the goal. Clearly fixed the game
The official rule is that the game ends when the umpire acknowledges the siren by blowing the whistle and holding both arms above their head. Although the siren went before the ball was kicked, the umpire did not whistle until after. As such the goal should stand and Fitzy did in fact kick the winning goal. Instead of reviewing when the siren blew they should have reviewed when the umpire whistled. This cost the All Stars the match.
TheArsenalMan125 As a high level local umpire, the game ends when the siren sounds, not when the umpire signals it. It was up to the umpires of the game to say that he kicked it after the siren, and therefore didn't count.
reply is a bit late but same rule goes for the start of the game time doesnt start when the siren goes it starts when the umpire blows the whistle. i was an umpire too
SirTickleBear I know this is a year late, but you're full of shit. "A high level umpire" that you claim to be, you'd know it's when the umpire blows the whistle.
yep angus- he was drafted by the Sydney Swans in 1998 originally from the South Australian football league then went to play for the Adelaide Crows 2002. however had to stop due to a ACL knee injury.
@87nate87 but for a goal, the ball has to be kicked before the siren, unless it's a set shot from a mark taken before the siren, or a free kick from an incident before the siren. The decision to not award the goal was correct.
VFL didn't rig a charity match. If the siren had gone when it had meant to then Vic's would have won anyway. Besides it's charity. It's for fun. The ending was great.
@Snuugglez I'm sure you mean "the ball HAS TO HAVE LEFT his foot before the siren sounds, IT'S ALLOWED to go through etc..." As always, happy to assist others in achieving basic English skills.
Why are people calling this a goal? He clearly kicked it after the siren. The umpire didn't signal the end but it's not a good umpire and probs didn't even know
This had me dying on the floor... Fitzy = I've always wanted to kick a goal after the siren Me = YOU DID M8 lucky you the ref didn't blow his whistle , goal
Crazy shit hey . It was pretty funny how you went out on a JetSki because I been thinking about a small boat or a jet ski with a fishing pod thing on it. Still undecided
The rule is when the umpire hears the siren and blows his whistle the game will be completed ... not sure how the umpire would have had time to blow the whistle before he kicked that goal.
It doesn't matter what the time says, the fact is the game doesn't end until the final SIREN goes, even if its 10 minutes after the clock goes to 0 everything will be counted until the Siren
should've been paid a mark anyway. the ball should've never of been balled up with 0 seconds left on the clock. however ignoring that fact, it shouldn't be a goal, because the ball left the boot after the siren sounded. not all sirens are the same, some of them go longer than others. overall, mark should've been paid. certain goal. allstars win. from a vic
it wasn't a goal the ball had to have left his boot before the siren which it didn't it doesn't matter if the umpires didn't call stoppage the same thing happened in launnie in 2006
Forget the whistle, the siren counts, but that was the slightest of margins and he kicked that a quarter of a second before the siren went, that was a goal all week.
The siren is only a signal. The game officially ends when the umpire blows his whistle. resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2019/12/04/d8d5f2cf-04eb-4530-b2d5-5cc799ff625c/2019-Laws-of-Australian-Football.pdf
Umpire did not blow whistle to end the game. Goal.
No goal
Cool Apple goal cause he kicked on the siren
Very fine line there was a Freo vs Saints game the siren went umpire did not blow whisle game keep going Saint kick a point Siren went again umpire blow whistle game was a draw Freo complain AFL Then gave the win to freo AFL Broke it own rules
Miles Goldsworthy no what
@@jecos1966 umpire did not hear the siren because the crowd was too loud apparently, only noticed when the freo players complained to him, you're not exactly correct, the afl did not break its own rules
Imagine this was an official AFL grand final...holy smoke.
@M Boo sissy
@M anyone ask?
Hahahaha imagine losing 6-1 to Spurs
@M Is this how you spend your free time? Clicking on random AFL UA-cam videos and whining about how soccer should be more popular in Aus than it is?
thats a goal, umpire didn't blow his whistle
Nope
its not a goal
It clearly is you flogs. The umpires never blew their whistle.
@@BannanaBlue the umps always take forever to blow there whistle even the siren is always delayed compared to the actual Clock
@@BannanaBlue nope, it’s the siren that matters not the whistle.
I'm a Victorian born and bred and to me that was a goal.
The umpire did not blow his whistle to end the game.
it's not the umpire that matters, its the siren
Hi, please see the AFL rules. 10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END - In my humble opinion it was a goal.
www.aflrules.com.au/afl-game-rules/part-d-pre-match-provisions/afl-rules-timekeepers-duration-of-matches-quarters-intervals/
10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END
10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end.
10.4.2 Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field Umpires or emergency field Umpire hears the siren.
10.4.3 Signal
A field Umpire shall signal that they have heard the siren by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above their head.
+Mitchell burning it is the umpire that matters but these are not official umpires they have no clue what the rules are
No goal i paused it had gone
jeoffer the siren ends play. The disallowed goal proves that.
Fitzy's reaction is priceless
@J G we don’t care
Goal, umpire didn't blow the whistle.
That is true not over till he blows the whistle
+Chezzers 09 but he didn't hear the siren
@@Fusioness43 yes, the siren sounds to tell the umpire to blow the final whistle, otherwise, goals after the siren would never be an aspect of the game
I will say....................... A goal
Na
@@JollyJackels yes
To everyone saying the umpire hasn’t blown their whistle so it is a goal, the rules may say that but those were made when some games had no sirens. Now the siren determines it and if you slow it down he kicked it after the siren so it isn’t a goal.
All stars won, when the umpire blew the whistle to ball it up the time keepers still counted down till it didn't show the time so Fitzy would've kicked it, gone back to the centre siren would sound and they would've won.
its the oldies playing they have time on
No goal
It's a Victorian conspiracy.Go the Mexicans.
kicked it on the siren...GOAL!
Nope
@@goxaviergo11 yes
Tell him he lived his dream-he kicked a goal after the siren!
you tell him .
If you pay close attention he kicked it a split second after the siren
your right
But the siren is not the whistle, it is the indication. Plus, very slow clock stop after the whistle was blown on the tackle! They let the clock completely run dead.
That was a goal because the umpire did not blow the whistle to end the game.
clearly made contact with the ball on the siren Goal stands
Going off these comments the ump didn’t blow his whistle. PLUS on 0.25x playback speed he kicked it exactly as the siren was sounding.
No, the siren went off when the ball was in the air PRIOR it went on his boot. Not a goal.
This just popped up in my feed, your comment is pretty much spot on, you can't see his boot but straight away but the ball starts rising around the same frame the siren goes... If they were to follow the AFL rules it would be a goal, remember sirengate, unfortunately it was played in my home state
@@carletonclements4931 but the umpire didn't blow the whistle until after the goal was kicked, goal
It's a goal it went through on the siren
the official end of match signal is when the whistle is blown by the umpire when he hears the siren sound, not the siren itself, the siren is basically there to signal when the umpire starts and finishes each quarter, like you don't see the opening bounce happening exactly when the siren starts sounding, it's when the umpire blows his whistle and bounces the ball.
Lucky it was only an exhibition game,I'm waiting for this to happen in an AFL game or even a grand final,the controversy it would stir
I carefully analyzed that kick. He kicked it and the siren sounded a fragment after the ball left his boot
That was a goal. The siren doesn't stop the game, the umpire stops the game & he didn't blow the whistle before the ball was kicked.
Lights on the post that go off when the siren goes would be good. But I don't know how it would work
How about another siren, that would be class
"Victoria have won the game, Well done congratulations Sam. Now introduce yourself to your teamates."
rofl
Not enough people understand that the game ends when the umpire blows the final whistle, AFTER the siren has sounded. Most of the no goal calls are based off of the theory that the siren ends the game and are therefore, incorrect
that's a stupid rule, Fremantle vs St Kilda 2006 literally went on for 10 seconds longer than it was supposed to and the umpire ruled the point the st kilda player kicked to tie the game to be no score because it occurred in the 10 seconds the game should have already been stopped.
I do think he should have been allowed a goal here because this match means absolutely nothing and plus the VIC's were allowed a mark after the siren had gone in a match a year or two later. I also think that because he kicked it right on the siren.
@@TotalDramaOwenandNoah listen to yourself, you're literally being coddled by Vic bias lmao
@@doylersafl8728 this has nothing to do with Vic bias, I reckon they should have just let him have his moment, the game doesn’t matter anyways it’s just a bit of fun and to remember a legend
@@TotalDramaOwenandNoah the rules say the game ends when the umpire blows the whistle, therefore it's a goal. Saying otherwise is going against the rules. I reckon if it was a Vic player, they would've given the goal. Clearly fixed the game
@@doylersafl8728 vic bias does exist
But idk
The official rule is that the game ends when the umpire acknowledges the siren by blowing the whistle and holding both arms above their head. Although the siren went before the ball was kicked, the umpire did not whistle until after. As such the goal should stand and Fitzy did in fact kick the winning goal. Instead of reviewing when the siren blew they should have reviewed when the umpire whistled. This cost the All Stars the match.
Game doesn't stop until the umpire signals it
Nope
TheArsenalMan125 As a high level local umpire, the game ends when the siren sounds, not when the umpire signals it. It was up to the umpires of the game to say that he kicked it after the siren, and therefore didn't count.
reply is a bit late but same rule goes for the start of the game time doesnt start when the siren goes it starts when the umpire blows the whistle.
i was an umpire too
SirTickleBear I know this is a year late, but you're full of shit. "A high level umpire" that you claim to be, you'd know it's when the umpire blows the whistle.
@@goxaviergo11 yes
The clock went half a millisecond before he kicked it! 😮
choose the 0.25 speed option and you will see that the siren went before he kicked it.
11 years later and this still gives me the shits, fkn vics
yep angus- he was drafted by the Sydney Swans in 1998 originally from the South Australian football league then went to play for the Adelaide Crows 2002. however had to stop due to a ACL knee injury.
That's a freaking GOAL.
Goal goal goal goal goal goal goal definitely a goal umpie didn't blow his whistle the shits
being at that game was amazing we got to hi 5 all of the mascots and we didnt even know our team had won until we went outside!
Sam newman feat roger rogerson lolol. Legend
Sami looks like Inspector Gadget! Love AFL Footy :-)
More like Sherlock Holmes doing a forensic investigation on the last kick of the match.
All stars should've won the game. The was a awesome moment!
@87nate87 but for a goal, the ball has to be kicked before the siren, unless it's a set shot from a mark taken before the siren, or a free kick from an incident before the siren. The decision to not award the goal was correct.
VFL didn't rig a charity match. If the siren had gone when it had meant to then Vic's would have won anyway. Besides it's charity. It's for fun. The ending was great.
Ditzy, you bloody legend running around like a headless chook.
It was a goal! I love Fitzy so much
I'm Victorian...and in the spirit of the game, that should have been a goal
I thought Channel 9 would be decent enough not to rig a charity match..
'im gonna start a knuckle in a minute' hahahah
@Snuugglez I'm sure you mean "the ball HAS TO HAVE LEFT his foot before the siren sounds, IT'S ALLOWED to go through etc..." As always, happy to assist others in achieving basic English skills.
A 50/50 call should always be given to the spectacular that it is.
That was a bloody goal.
never ever celebrate too early
it is a hard choice but i think it is a goal
The Foss needs to coach every year
actually the outcome would have been the same, The ball left his hands before the siren but it didn't hit his boot till after the siren
i loved when newman threw his hat on the ground!
Lyon caught up with Carey after this and they started putting the moves on the other players wives. Dynamic Dog Duo.
He had already dropped the ball onto his foot which then would count as a kick because he had already disposed the ball. GOAL
I’ll always remember that for the rest of my life as a goal
Loudspeaker: There will be no shootout
Crowd: BOOOOOO
Why are people calling this a goal? He clearly kicked it after the siren. The umpire didn't signal the end but it's not a good umpire and probs didn't even know
Doesn't matter bud, he kicked it before the umpires on field blew the whistle. It's a goal in anything of AFL.
That poor man - having his moment yanked away from him like that.
This had me dying on the floor...
Fitzy = I've always wanted to kick a goal after the siren
Me = YOU DID M8
lucky you the ref didn't blow his whistle , goal
Crazy shit hey . It was pretty funny how you went out on a JetSki because I been thinking about a small boat or a jet ski with a fishing pod thing on it. Still undecided
I went to that game. The suspense was brilliant haha. I am going again this year!
I bet if it was a vic player in that situation the outcome would be very different
the umpire did not blow the whistle but the siren went before he kicked it
That's why it's a goal
I felt so sorry for that guy
hahah people its all a show, its not serious! they purposely let the game go on a few more seconds for entertainment
Dose Umpire have to blow whistle to end game?
The rule is when the umpire hears the siren and blows his whistle the game will be completed ... not sure how the umpire would have had time to blow the whistle before he kicked that goal.
Slow the video down to 0.25 speed and check for yourself
Now, when was the whistle blown in relation to the ball being kicked? Because the whistle ends the game, not the siren
Fitzy was drunk during the game
Maybe more haha
The Duck hit the weight room pretty solid in the lead up to this one didn’t he?
Garry Lyon you dog! Game finishes when the whistle is blown!
THAT WAS A CLEAR GOAL HE KICKED IT AND WHILE IT WAS IN THE AIR THE SIREN ENT THTS A GOAL
domenic sullivan no it's not you can hear it sound way before it left his boot
The Vortexian but the umpire didn't signal the end of the game
technically time ran out way before but for the scenario that was easily a goal before the siren ran out.
I reckon it shoulda been a goal. Fitzy was already swinging his foot at the ball... the play was being made before the siren went.
It doesn't matter what the time says, the fact is the game doesn't end until the final SIREN goes, even if its 10 minutes after the clock goes to 0 everything will be counted until the Siren
Nope, everything counts until the final whistle by the umpire, otherwise goals after the siren could never happen
1:25 Inspector Gadget? is that you?!
It's Sam Newman...
if you pause it as soon as the siren goes he is dropping the ball onto his foot, no goal!
should've been paid a mark anyway. the ball should've never of been balled up with 0 seconds left on the clock. however ignoring that fact, it shouldn't be a goal, because the ball left the boot after the siren sounded. not all sirens are the same, some of them go longer than others. overall, mark should've been paid. certain goal. allstars win. from a vic
it wasn't a goal the ball had to have left his boot before the siren which it didn't it doesn't matter if the umpires didn't call stoppage the same thing happened in launnie in 2006
What the hell are the umpires and timekeeper for if the commentators are going to make the decisions? Shocking.
that was a hilarious match to watch!
True the umpire didn't blow his whistle before he kicked so I say goal
No fucking goal he doesn't have to
@@goxaviergo11 yes it fucking does
the end of the game is when the umpire blows the whistle not the siren
That’s a goal are the umpires and commentators dumb 🤦♂️ he kicked it milliseconds before the bell went and the umpire didn’t blow the whistle
Pretty definitive i'd say
it was a goal the game isnt over until the umpire calls full time
the game is over when the umpire blows his whistle. the siren is an indicator for the ump to end the game it is not actually the siren that ends it
I have replayed this many many times. He didn't score a goal. Look at it carefully and you'll see
he kicked it straight on the siren
3:38 looks like carl williams in the all stars
very well commentated
Forget the whistle, the siren counts, but that was the slightest of margins and he kicked that a quarter of a second before the siren went, that was a goal all week.
I did not know Fitzy used to play AFL...
He did this is the legends game
yes he played for sydney and adelaide for a very short time
Kicked 5 on debut
the siren should've sounded before the umpire bounced the ball
Inspector gadget seems upset
At least he achieved his dream of kicking a goal after the siren
I’m a Victorian and I think Fitzy was robbed, that was a goal
The siren is only a signal. The game officially ends when the umpire blows his whistle.
resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2019/12/04/d8d5f2cf-04eb-4530-b2d5-5cc799ff625c/2019-Laws-of-Australian-Football.pdf
Who cares who wins, it's a charity match that put on a bloody good show.
if he had kicked the ball before the umps whistle its a goal
if you pause it on the siren its no goel
he kicked it on the siren