Testing printed (home-made) ShaperTape - Is it any good?
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- I tested how well (home-made) printed ShaperTape works.
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Hello Wooden. Thanks for mentioning me :-)
As mentioned in the first video I would recommend this stickers Herma Movable Stickers No. 10315.
They are more or less the same as the original Shaper tape. Quite sticky and no residues after removal.
Of course a small paper cutting machine also speeds up the whole process.
What I found out, is that the scaling of the tape is very important! On one on my test prints the dominos were 1mm bigger than the original. This results in an inaccuracy of about 5mm on 200mm distance!
I will start some further tests the next days with accurate self printed tape and do some measurements.
Definitively going to try that one out - thanks
Just made accuracy test with my self printed tape. I did two 20,1mm holes from my MFT design and compared the result with holes that were made with the Shaper Workstation. I design a 3D printed support for the Origin that fits into these two MFT holes. Perfect fit with both test pieces!
So if the printed tape has the same size (I used a single original domino for test fit by eyesight), it works with enough accuracy for wood working.
Just doing some final tests on my MFT design for the Shaper Workstation shelf top. I everything works fine, then I will release it on ShaperHub later this week.
Hi Jens. Thank you for these details - that sounds fantastic. Looking forward to see your MFT design on the ShaperHub. Make sure to post the link here. I am collecting the many ideas people are posting here, and might test out some more soon...
Did you release it on ShaperHub ? I don't find it. Thanks for sharing.
@@arsenez hub.shapertools.com/creators/5e760505c8f2b1000fb45e01/shares/5f82f64a8b96e90010564ef6
I have cut several little projects with the MFT. I use a Hongdui planer stop de.aliexpress.com/i/4001283424026.html and some Festool clamps www.festool.de/zubehoer/488030---mft-sp (or this one www.banggood.com/2pcs-Quick-Ratchet-Release-Speed-Squeeze-Woodworking-Clamp-Clip-Kit-Spreader-Gadget-Tool-DIY-p-1454253.html?gmcCountry=US¤cy=USD&createTmp=1&ad_id=435264204190&gclid=CjwKCAiAkan9BRAqEiwAP9X6UedPsciJczmfAplH6nRo90JMz9fJEStHczv3g8JExfUIQIH9rqUX1xoC_3AQAvD_BwE&cur_warehouse=CN).
Works really good for small and medium projects.
@@Jeggo65 Merci beaucoup, Jens, pour ce partage très utile !
I will use these too:
www.thingiverse.com/thing:2049103 and
www.thingiverse.com/thing:4565616
when i was doing gears on the band saw for wooden clocks i bought a spray sticker adhesive from the hardware store and that worked great. You can peal it off very easy. I believe it was made my Kylon. Kylon easy tack just looked it up and walmart sells it
Hi. Thank you for this idea. Others said exactly the same (about the Kylon) and I gave it a try. And indeed it works well, although I dislike that the spray blasts the adhesive around and other things get sticky too, so I prefer the glue stick I tested here: ua-cam.com/video/dxQzrpSP1HU/v-deo.html
Thank you so much for this! Your Shaper tips are really excellent!
I have used this by taping a full sheet of the printed "shaper paper" to the item being engraved. Just a bit of painters tape along each edge seemed to work ok.
Also, I have not tried this, but I once found a glue stick that was designed to have the same adhesive strength at the 3M sticky
notes, i.e. easily removable. That might be a good solution.
Thank you - glad you like these videos. The idea with the shaper paper is good, if you have a large enough workpiece, and you don't need to route over your tape. Not sure I would trust such a lose way of attaching if you need to move over the paper though. Someone else also left the idea with the adhesive spray, so I am going to check that out... Thanks again :D
Thank you for your videos. The information you provide is very useful.
FYI, I have had good success using full sheets of printed shaper blocks without cutting the blocks into strips. I use “replaceable” glue stick as the adhesive. I find this to be particularly useful for large surfaces which saves some money over using official shaper tape. I use the “add tape to workspace” feature when the tape gets damaged through cutting or simply dragging the Origin over the tape.
For smaller projects, I find it’s more efficient to simply use real shaper tape.
Hi Preston. Yeah, that is exactly how I use it too. Most often I use the ShaperTape, but when I have large areas, I use the printed sheets and stick them to the wood with a glue stick, as shown here: ua-cam.com/video/dxQzrpSP1HU/v-deo.html. Have fun!
Print out some on larger paper and get them laminated... you can use tacks to pin them down, use double sided tape, or tape the edges. Mine look almost like the shaper workstation table.
I’m going to experiment by putting one of these in a table with epoxy, not sure if it will work with a glossy surface so I may have to sand it matte. However, I have matte and glossy laminated ledger sheets and they both work fine, so it may be a non-issue. I tried epoxying some of the actual tape on a work surface, but the ink came off, this could possibly be remedied by putting some glue over it to seal it first.
Thanks for these ideas. Yes, multiple people mentioned the idea of laminating a piece of paper, which works well for large workpieces, where you have enough area and you don't need to route over the marked area.
Would be interesting to see a printed, laminated sheet of dominos that could easily be placed on a workpiece for quick engraving. The laminated card would be easy to transport in the Shaper case.
That version sounds interesting, for larger workpieces, when you don't have to route over the tape. Also, you would have to attach it with some kind of tape, which should not be that difficult with the lamination... great idea
Tested it, didn't work to good. The lamination reflects the light in a way the shaper complains of a bad scan
I had the same problem with reflected light, but if you can control what gets reflected then you can have some success.
They sell matte finish laminates. Wonder if that would help with glare?
Classic (pre-computer) graphic designers used a solvent-based low-tack "rubber cement" called *Fixogum* for re-mountable pieces of artwork when doing layout work. The stuff lasts forever, can be cleaned up with white spirit, rarely ever leaves a residue. Best of all it's free of any water, so unlike glue stick, your dominio paper won't warp or stretch (which influences the precision of your routing path quite a bit). It's available across the EU/CH and might be worth a try... (US version: Best-Test Paper Cement)
Thank you for this great idea - I ordered a tube and will try it out :D
@@Woodensoul I am kicking myself for throwing out two big tubes recently ... (that was before I had the need for a Shaper Origin)!
😂😂😂
This is really helpful! Thank you!
Most welcome, Deb, pumpkin if you find this helpful 😁👊🏼
I’ve always used the printable shipping label sticker paper with no problems and you can buy it in bulk 20’ rolls pretty cheap
How much do you pay for them? Thanks for sharing, David 🤩
Glue the self made tape to the workpiece using transparent packing tape. Works fine for me and is easy to remove. Happy New Year!
I did try this in this video 😆
Thanks for the video. You can also print it out using a Brother label printer with endless labels. There are even labels that are removable and not with permanent glue.
Thanks 😊 How much does that printer and such endless labels cost? Depending the price that might defeat the purpose of cost savings, don’t you think?
@Wooden The printer was around 50€ when I bought it almost two years ago. Printed label tape (with 4 rows of dominos) is around 0.12 € per meter. I agree that this is a good thing to have in case you run out of tape, especially if you have such a printer anyway. There is a very long thread on the shaper forums (in German), where you can see pictures and videos of the printed stickers. community.shapertools.com/t/shapertape-selber-drucken/4738?page=2
Thank you - will have a look. So many great ideas that people are posting!
For small areas, the tape is obviously best. The biggest benefit of using a full page, is not having to cut it into strips,
the benefit of using a full page shows when doing large surfaces.
Also things go a lot more smoothly and quickly if you use a low tack spray adhesive from Loctite etc. Sprayed directly on the page.
The tape generator would never be a full replacement for the tape, just a nice addition to the toolbox.
Also you are adding tape directly onto the area to be engraved, this is pointless because the camera does not see directly where you are engraving, when doing small areas. so you are essentially wasting tape.
Agree with all you said
I know that it's a waste to put tape where you engrave, but I wanted to test how the printed ShaperTape reacts when you router over it
Thanks for your efforts
Most welcome - thank you for watching, Jeff...
Would a full sheet of 11”x 17” paper with 3” domino spacing work by painters taping the whole sheet to the work piece.
Yeah, that should work...
Session 0026 goes into block printing with Origin, and specifically how to mill linoleum. What if you milled several of the dominoes on a strip of linoleum and wrapped it around an ink roller? If this worked then you could lay regular tape (or not) on the stock and roll the domino pattern out and wait 3-5 min to dry. Perhaps there's an edge guide to ensure that the ink roller does not cause any warp? Or make a block print with one or a series of domino’s that you can just press onto the srf.
Thanks for the idea. I don’t think it would work for wood though. I suspect that the ink would blur at the edges due to the wood grain and that the SO would not recognize the dominos. But even if it would work, it sounds like an awful lot of work to do each time
@@Woodensoul Thanks for the quick reply. I agree, it probably is time consuming. In any case I’ll test it out because I am interested in print making. Also have you tried spray adhesive on a full sheet? It should stick to the wood really well, and to remove it spritz mineral spirits all over it at the end and when you rub it down the paper should just come off. Any sticky residue from the remaining adhesive can quickly be scraped off with a putty knife. This is not cheaper with the cost per can of spray adhesive and printing, but if it’s time sensitive and your waiting on shaper tape it could do.
Hi Ben. Go for it and let us know how it went please. Yes, I have a video showing what glue stick works best for the sheet: ua-cam.com/video/dxQzrpSP1HU/v-deo.html
As (I think I) mentioned in the comments of the other video, someone I saw just printed out sheets of shaper tape with ~3" gaps between rows and stuck them across the project as full sheets of paper. I've seem some people use spray adhesive to glue down the paper but that can be harder to pull up and messy if leave it stuck for more than several hours.
Someone in a comment I saw said they do the above, just put down painters tape, then spray the adhesive to the painter's tape, then stick the full sheets of printed shaper tape. Still haven't had time to try all this out yet, but will report back once I do...
... assuming I keep my shaper. I have until the end of the week to decide. I love the idea of it but I'm still new at woodworking and building out my shop. I could buy a nice bandsaw, miter saw, and decent jointer for the price of the shaper, which seems like a cool tool, but also somewhat limited vs. those other tools combined. I'm open to anyone's thoughts though!
Thank you for your ideas. Indeed multiple people suggest either the label printing or the full sheet paper method (which works well if your workpiece is large enough). I am collecting ideas and might try out a couple more soon.
Regarding your question on keeping the Shaper: If you are lacking a bandsaw, miter saw and jointer, then I would definitively recommend you to return the Shaper and buy these tools. While I love the Shaper, I consider it a luxury tool, that you can add to your inventory once you got the basics right. So I would recommend to first buy the other tools, and later the Shaper.
Hi
I use 3M post it spray and use the Full A4
Yeah, apparently that seems to be a common technique. It’s still on my to do list 😁
gracias por la demostracion
De nada 😁
3M adhesive spray is what works best for me
Thanks for sharing
This is brilliant, rather than tape or glue, you can use printable sticker paper!
Thanks 🤩 Yes, printable sticker paper works, but it’s also more expensive than regular paper…
can't decide between the shaper origin, goliath and x-carve. Looking forward to make some 2.5D engraving
I don’t know Goliath and x-carve, so I can’t give you advice. But I do love the Shaper Origin 😆
@@Woodensoul and do you miss the 2.5d v carving with smooth transitions?
@@chtojeetovsezanyali Yeah I do - but I also enjoy being very flexible on the workpiece size...
@@Woodensoul what maximum size of a wood piece it could cut/engrave at once?
@@chtojeetovsezanyali In theory there is no maximum size. I have worked on 3x2m pieces without problem. If you have a very large area though, the user interface becomes a little laggy and placing objects becomes fiddly. But with patience that's not an issue.
Can you try projecting the shaper tape from above onto your work surface?
I don’t know, I fear that cheap projectors aren’t precise enough
Thanks for the effort!
When I generate tape with your settings the dominos come out smaller than on the original tape. I did a comparison routing a 60mm circle with both, and the «print circle» came out smaller than the «tape circle».
Have you experienced this problem?
Hi Frank. Oh, that is weird. One possible reason could be that while printing, your printer resized the print. Some printers have a setting that they „resize“ the print, so everything fits the paper. I recommend you check this first. If your printer has other limits regarding how large the margins to the paper edges can be, you might have to choose other settings. The most important thing is that the dominos need to be exactly the same size as the original ShaperTape... Let us know what you found out...
I am assuming the paper stock used to print on the domino patterns is of the thinnest available?
...standard copy machine stock might be too thick?
I am also thinking that preparing Shaper tape boards that can be reused are the better option, and rarely have to build a view field for specific jobs...
I just took standard printer paper, nothing fancy. Yes, building laminated sheets is an option, then sticking them with double sided tape to the workpiece. But that only works in cases where you are not planning to route over the dominos...
Great video thank you! Question I’m thinking about buying a Shaper. What’s your opinion about the machine would you recommend? I know everybody has their own reasons but overall do you like it?
Hi Beto. I do indeed love the Shaper a lot. It expands your possibilities in the workshop, similar to a CNC, but with less constraints. With CNCs you are usually very limited on the size of your workpiece, and you require a decent amount of computer skills. The SO is much more flexible and easy to use. I made a getting started video that might help you with understanding some of that: A beginners guide ua-cam.com/video/0AgxZbhnn-k/v-deo.html. So yeah, I fully recommend it. The only reason to not buy one is it’s price 🤪
For me, after printing the dominos I attached them to some wood. When I attempted to scan with the SO it would NOT recognize any of the dominos. I'm using a HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M479fdw and printed on white copy paper.
You need to pay attention that you have no scaling set in your printer settings. The dominos need to be printed at the original size. Many printers use a setting where the document is automatically sized to maximum page size.
Use a Thermoprinter :-). Prints directly on Tape ... and is tougher and cheaper than the original tape
Do you have a make/model that you'd recommend?
Yeah, was going to ask what Knockout Artist asked: Any Thermoprinter you would recommend?
@@Woodensoul Suggest you visit this mixed german/english discussion community.shapertools.com/t/shapertape-selber-drucken/4738/83
Maybey you know already, but I used a normal printed A4 and did not cut out the lines. I placed two of them next to eachother on my surface with painters tape and it worked perefect.
Yes, thank you. Multiple people mentioned that method, and I think it works great in cases where you have a large enough workpiece and you don't need to route over it...
I wonder if anyone tried 3M Spray Mount Artist Adhesive? It's sticky enough while also allowing re-position. The 3M 77 will be too strong and tacky
Here you go my friend, although it wasn’t the artist adhesive: ua-cam.com/video/dxQzrpSP1HU/v-deo.html
Have you tried printing onto Avery 05422 label paper? Exact size match for the Dominos (US measurements if it matters). And they’re supposed to be removable. Shaper tap comes out to $0.18 per domino. These labels are about $0.01 per domino if they work.
I was off with my math. I was thinking a 15’ roll, not 150’. So, the official stuff is about $.02 ($.018) per domino. So at this point, I’m more concerned about continuing access to the supply should something happen to the company rather than cost of the tape.
I was about to answer that your math is off. I just did it for prices in € and it's 0.016€ per Domino, so similar to the tape, but less work. If you print on regular paper instead of Avery you can go below that, but it's fiddly. The risk of Shaper going out of business is slim, given they have been acquired by Festool, so have decent funding to back them up.
@@Woodensoul Agree that it is a low risk. However, I’m just a bit gun shy after getting bit by Insteon going down a few months ago. And another piece of tech I have (a battery charger for model airplane batteries) where the business closed up shop, but that equipment relies on special RFID tags that only they produced.
For now, I’ll just stock up on a bunch of the marker tape and hope for the best.
@@thomasessex1587 Understandable. But be careful with the stocking, Shaper Tools once told me that the tape dries out after a while and loses stickiness, so don't exaggerate :D
@@Woodensoul Thank you! I was wondering about that.
Does it use any usual size of bits? and can it measure automatically the material's thickness? thx!
The Shaper Origin can use bit shank sizes up to 8mm (with the appropriate collet) and up to 25mm cut diameter. It doesn’t recognize material thickness. I have a getting started video that might be helpful to you: ua-cam.com/video/0AgxZbhnn-k/v-deo.html
Why do you need to cut it out? You can just attach the pages to the wood with a light dusting of spray adhesive.
You don't have to cut it out. As you say, you can use the entire sheet and attach it to the work piece.
is it possibe to use the spray glue that we used for the scroll saw temp tack
Hi Dave. I don’t know what spray glue you are referring to, but here is a video on this topic: ua-cam.com/video/dxQzrpSP1HU/v-deo.html
Bonsoir,
Pourquoi placez-vous du ruban sous la machine alors que la caméra ne le voit pas ?
Merci.
Good evening,
Why are you putting tape under the machine when the camera can't see it?
Thank you
Hi Thierry. In this case only to simulate how it behaves. In real applications one often has to route over tape, so that’s a common use case…
you could just create a template out of a thin material. size of the plate and of the hole to cut through can vary but you only would have to create one template, tape it one time, and use it for different digital workspaces. than clamp it down and you could do a lot of engravings on varying surfaces without more taping and scanning. just clamp the template, place your design and cut.
here's the example that got me thinking about that on shaperhub: hub.shapertools.com/creators/5c89120f12cede0017df3727/shares/5f3aa898fe9a3e0011b23fef
just remember to measure in the depth of your template material :D
that would save money AND time
Yeah, multiple people suggested that you can laminate a sheet and stick or clamp it to the workpiece. That should work for cases where your workpiece is large enough and you have space you don’t need to route over... It would be like a poor mans mobile workstation
They question is accuracy , are they accurate?
Hey Eduardo. Yes, up until now I have found it to be very accurate.
Have you tried adhesive remover?
No, instead I tried other adhesives: ua-cam.com/video/dxQzrpSP1HU/v-deo.html
Try masking tape instead, and why put the tape where you are engraving? Also can the print not go landscape giving longer lengths of shaper tape
What do you mean by "masking"? There are legit reasons on why you sometimes need to put tape on areas you will route over, especially on larger work pieces. And yes, you can go landscape.
Is there a document anywhere giving the exact dimensions (and domino coding) of the shapertape ? Judging by my output from the python webapp, it would seem to be imperial - can't imagine Festool being happy with that LOL :-))
You can switch between imperial and metric system on the app. I am not aware of the exact dimensions…
You’re hilarious. Your using a 4K tool and shooting a video in your wine room (full wine room btw!) and your trying to save a few dollars on the tape. Bad ass and exactly what I might do too ;) my that was to use dynamo tape to print it. Cheers!
Hi Austin. Haha... that's right! To be fair, I am not using self-printed tape very often. I did the video to help others, who would like to use the self printed tape. I think it's a useful option to have. What is dynamo tape?
Hello Wooden,
first version of my Shaper Workstation MFT is online.
You could find it here: hub.shapertools.com/creators/5e760505c8f2b1000fb45e01/shares/5f82f64a8b96e90010564ef6
Yesterday I made the Candle Holder Premium project. Just cutted a 160mm x 120mm scrap piece (beech) and mounted it on the Workstation MFT. I used 3D printed bench dogs, clamps and an additional support bar for the Origin. Worked really great! For the second Candle Holder I just needed 30 minutes (including sanding and oiling). The 3D printed parts will be available on Thingiverse (I believe they are not online at the moment). I will update the project information on Shaper Hub.
Do not hesitate to contact me on Shaper community.
CU
Jens
I am just evaluate the system before buying one. Why cut the printed paper into pieces?
Hi Ernst. There is no need to cut them into pieces - I just did that for the testing to find out if they hold well. You can just stick the entire sheet on the workpiece. I do have a getting started video that shows you the details, if you are evaluating.
Interesting concept. Perhaps print in on label paper such as : Kenco Premium White Address Shipping UPC Laser/Inkjet Labels.
Also, are there any ethical questions that go along with this or would Shaper be ok?
I thought about printing on labels too, but that would increase the costs substantially and kind of defeat the purpose. I don’t know what Shaper thinks about this, but I can‘t imagine they will make a big deal out of it.
Then may I also suggest using a glue spray like 3M 77 Adhesive and after spraying, waiting a few minutes. The waiting will make the glue less aggressive and more like post-it notes. Great video and thanks again for the link.
That sounds like a great idea! Will check it out... thank you!
@@Woodensoul Outside of Germany, you have to stay below 50€ to avoid customs fees, which would make the purchase price of the rolls overpriced.
DHL will charge a 20€ administration fee regardless of the value of the package. 3x16€ + 20€ = 68€ for three rolls is objectively too expensive.
@@arsenez Thanks man, I know about the import fees (as I pay them often). Yeah, I didn't explore the labels yet. There are many great questions in the comments, but overall I am not that much into self producing my ShaperTape, so it's on my to-do list :D
Is it possible to ask you questions by some other method than here (email for instance)?
Yeah, you can leave me your email here and I will write you...
You can buy A4 inkjet label from the stationary it will work fine just like the shapertape
Yeah, but these are nor really cheap, or can you recommend low budget labels that are good?
@@Woodensoul I found many options in aliexpress 50 sheets between 8-10 USD
Nice, will have a look
This is awesome. For a $3400 tool I think it's ridiculous they have proprietary tape that you MUST use for their product to work correctly. Companies making you continuously have to drink from ONLY their well are scumbags. Imagine buying a Rigid brand router that would refuse to work with Diablo router bits?
Hi Rick. In general I agree with you, but to defend Shaper a little bit, I never felt that they are trying to rip us off with the Tape. This device requires dominoes for orientation, and the Workstation or Plate try to reduce that dependency as good as possible. The fact that did not do anything against this tool to print your own tape also shows that selling tape is not their primary intention. But yes, I agree that having this alternative way is great.
Hmm, people who just bought a 3500 euro machine have budget constraints and want to save pennies on tape?
😂😂 Apparently yes. I would say that should not be of our concern, anyone is free to use their machines in the way they prefer...
@Geekhunger The Shaper Workstation kind of helps with that, at least for smaller parts...
@@Woodensoul The workstation just came in yesterday and I've spent today on it. Confirmed: it's a time saver.
@@mururoa7024 Yeah, right? I like it a lot...
Why? What is your time worth? If you have this tool, you should be getting good money to use it! To think your time is best spent trying to save…. What a few dollars? To cut out this stuff, and all is time consuming! What if you spent the time finding more work? Your issue isn’t saving 3 dollars, it’s top line sales! If you spent 2 hours looking for consulting work, I’m confident it would be a far better investment of time.
Hi Barney. It’s adorable that you think I am making money with woodworking, but as a matter of fact, this is not my job, therefore investment and money making is irrelevant to me. And, to answer your question „why?“, it’s because I can. I was curious to see if it works and how. Am I using self printed ShaperTape myself? No, usually not. If you watch some of my videos, I never use it. But then again, I have the budget, others might not.
Just in case anyone was wondering. I tried placing a good handfull of Festool dominos on a workpiece to see if that worked. Nothing. Once I receive the Shaper I'll try it again and get back on the matter.
😂😂😂 Yeah man, I think dominos without a Shaper rarely work… but I respect you trying 🤣