2khz seems kinda harsh at times and too much 500hz sounds "undefined". It's those I cut on my guitar using an eq pedal, of course cutting too much can make it sound like there is something missing-cause there is
my mentor only taught me 2 frequencies: 470Hz for wood, and 2.2kHz for metal. you might not realise how important these 2 are, but they are super important.
This is fairly similar to what I would do running front of house mixes, Yet I never even thought of doing it on recording. Proof that even after 30yrs I can still learn cool new stuff. Now I just wonder how I never even managed to try this.. ROFL Brilliant & again Thank you - I totally need to get your course - you really make this the most fun I have had in years!
The mix sounds like a basic demo. 2:10 - All that built room speakers and gear and it sounds like an amp sim. No power or clarity in the mix at all. No separation. Mind blowing this channel has so many subscribers.
Just pulling down those two frequencies is some kind of magical power. That was some killer stuff (and I gotta watch the course now). The difference on the 150Hz cut in the first example was way more noticeable than I thought it would be; without the cut, it actually sounded like someone had thrown a towel inside the kick drum. I don't know that I've ever described a kick drum as having "presence", but the cut definitely gave it more of that! Awesome as always, brother! :)
Huge thanks for having our song Nihilist Against War in the 2nd frequency part of the video! I really appreciate it! I've also been a fan of your content for almost 5 years now!
These are genius! Great video. Cleaned up my mix in a huge way. Vox came out clearer and the bassiness was taken down enough to hear everything else much clearer. This was super helpful! Thank you. Instant sub!
Very useful! I’m getting ready to release my second song, and this is what I’m encountering. The vocals are getting a bit lost against the guitars. Gonna give this a go, along with some side-chaining. 👍👍
Danke für das Video! Die tiefen Mitten sind mir in meinen letzten paar Mixes komplett abgehauen. Gerade wenn man so tief stimmt wie wir (Drop E auf 8 Saiter), dann ist das oft schwierig heraus zu hüren, was das Low-End braucht.
And the next frequensies were around 500hz which is also some of those nasty areas where stuff builds up in metal. Kinda knew all of that but by trial and error but it's always cool to see that pro did it the same way.:D Were there a thing in this channel that said 350hz is an enemy of metal or something. :D Cool video again and cheers.
Yeah that 120-240hz area really fucks up the low end energy if there's too much of it in the mix. usually I find that bass and guitars build up so much mud in those regions so fixing that in master bus makes lot of sense as there isn'nt that much important stuff going on with other instruments expect the snares bottom end.:D
That's also addressed in the course. Sometimes it is way faster to do certain things on the mix bus. Adding air to a mix is maybe the most prominent example.
Is this just relative to mastering??? So say I want vocals loudest in my mix...I record / push as loud as posable...I add guitar as next behind, yet, it starts clipping because of the specific frequency's....I then cut those conflicting guitar frequency's that clip the vocals / mix...So on and so forth for each instrument??? 🤔😕IDK if that makes sense, but I'm trying to think of the lasagna layers....Introducing layers as loud as posable, then determining the additional layers frequency's that cause clipping...🍻🤘
Completely agree on this! 170 Hz and 500 Hz kills anything metal. After the summer holidays we're starting our second album with the metal band. I will probably join the Kult during the production :D
I built a rack system for live bass guitar and I implemented an outboard 31 band EQ. I found that 250 sounded woody, 800 was weird windy noise, 2.4khz was terrible string scratchy sound that hurt the ears. I cut those out and it sounds a lot cleaner. I found that the distortion lived around 1.2khz so I boosted that. It sounds great.
Sounds like you know what you were doing!🤘 Just be careful with steep cuts or boosts on graphic EQs. Because the bands are so sharp this can sound unnatural pretty quickly.
Heh, this works for stereos too. I was curious to see what they would be. I ride a 2022 Harley Davidson Low Rider El Diablo with the Rockford audio thing and I use the Power Amp app for my music. My custom eq for that includes cuts at 125, 250 and 500 hz. Below 125 there's no boost and only a slight bump above flat at 1K leading into then a little bigger boost at 2K and then the peak boost at 4k and up... but the high is boosted a lot because wearing a full face helmet, the helmet cuts out a lot of the highs, otherwise I wouldn't boost it as much as I do. Anyway, it works for everything I listen to from Tom Waits to Billy Joel to Dayglo Abortions to Dissection to Dying Fetus to whatever. All styles it works. It's my go-too all-round EQ for any stereo system... bass may or may not get a hair added, mids stay at 0 or get cut, and highs get boosted. But I also prefer brighter mixes and guitar clarity, not out here trying to shake my booty. And of course, how much the low doesn't get touched, the mid gets cut and the high-end boosted depends what my options are, is it just a basic 2-3 band eq or a 7-10 band eq, what the speakers and listening environment dictates, etc. So flat bass, dip at low mids, less dip upper mids, boosted highs. So if 5 bands and max boost or cut is 10, maybe like... 1, -4, -2, 2, 4 or something. Though sometimes can make the bass drum "ploppy" (like too much attack). But I'm also talking as a listener here, not mixing, but the same principle applies and has the same effects.
I feel like the cut at 500hz could be really helpful using some mid/side processing. Using it to remove some of the buildup in the guitars on the sides at 500hz and allowing the vocals to cut through in the center.
Also, it starts in your mix. Pick an instrument to occupy the low mids, e.g. bass guitar. Pull those frequencies out of the instruments that don’t need them. Instantly, cleaner and more polished sounding mixes.
Youd be surprised what a 1db cut at 250hz and a 1/2db cut at 500hz will do for adding definition in heavy guitars- put it After cab block. Great for marshall types.
How does cutting 150-250Hz affect translation on smaller speakers? As I come to understand bass on small speakers rely on those higher octave harmonics. So it would be interesting to know how much of that range can be cut for it to sound still good on smaller speakers.
Okay. Interessant. Ursprünglich war mir bekannt, dass das Boosten der 150 - 250 Hz Region der besseren Hörbarkeit von Bass auf kleinen Anlagen dienlich ist. Beim Soundbeispiel mit Dymytry passiert auch das, was ich als Hörer bei sehr vielen modernen Mixen kritisiere: Es klingt überaufgeräumt und überklar. Ich präferiere da, dass ein gewisser „Restmuff" überbleibt. (Wahrscheinlich Konditionierung von den ganzen nicht-modernen Mixen.) Nur beim Beispiel mit Nihilist war es imo dienlich. Da sind die Gitarren in dieser Region aber auch sehr stark gewesen.
Zu nem gewissen Teil bleibt das natürlich Geschmacksache! Wichtig ist nur, dass man weiß, wie es geht. Und natürlich ist es, wie du sagst, materialabhängig.
Those low mids are the reason I don’t trust my dt770 headphones for mixing as my only option cause they are already cutting them a lot and sound cleaner than it may translate to other systems. The 500hz region is the first I ll cut in live sound from Shure sm series mics for vocals and guitar amps. Those are some good frequencies to cut but if you over do it, it can make the mix to lose warmth instantly
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Around 300Khz on vocals alone, as the whole mix goes, yes the lower end around 160Hz small deep, the rest it depends on material, around 4KHz is a nice place to check your annoying highs adventure while you where mixing, haha.
A brickwall low cut introduces ringing, no matter which kind if digital eq you use, so this is a stupid idea, to cut with a 24 or 18db slope works, low shelve filters work, you can also use a bell curve filter to clean up the low rumble and mud, but never brickwall if you do not want to run into a lot worse problems then without a low cut.
If 500 Hz is the antithesis of everything Metal, shouldn't it be boosted in Schlager mixes? 😃 Before watching the video, I predicted 250 and 500 Hz to be the chosen trouble spots - and I wasn't disappointed!
I immediately disagree on the 150-250 range. There is something really angry living in a narrow band of 180-190Hz which makes your bass really growl like an angry wolf.
Honestly I tend to reduce the entire 200-550hz range because in my opinion they are very overpowering in a bad way. Also 5k is just a nasty harsh frequency
Alles klar...literally. For once I could actually hear the difference. Going to give this a try on my muddy mixes. I'm also a little ashamed I recognised the Schlager stars too...
These mix engineers will probably make sense if every mix tutorial isn't aways rock or pop 🤔 whatever you call it. Most producers or engineers I know is not into that genre or recording big rock bands.
I still hear nothing in your examples that can't be fixed with a little eq on a single instrument instead of a mixbus. The drums sound terrible with all those low mids rolled out.
Which are your go-to frequencies to clean up your mix? Let me know!
2khz seems kinda harsh at times and too much 500hz sounds "undefined". It's those I cut on my guitar using an eq pedal, of course cutting too much can make it sound like there is something missing-cause there is
200hz and 3khz
Gullfoss 😜
4k
@@kristofdevlamynck4786 Same here! You just gotta be really careful around 3K. A little goes a long way.
400 and 800
Thank you
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Absolutely SUPERB video!! Love this and I agree!!
So good!
@@timbrown7652 agreed!
Those two points cleaned up a mix I was working on so well that I made a preset on PRO-Q3. Thanks Kohle!
Great to thear that!
my mentor only taught me 2 frequencies: 470Hz for wood, and 2.2kHz for metal. you might not realise how important these 2 are, but they are super important.
Yeah. 500 is the frequency of wood and honk, 3k is very important but can get painful easily.
I bought this course a week ago and I definitely recommend it regardless if you are a beginner or not. Very helpful
Great to hear that! 🤘
This is fairly similar to what I would do running front of house mixes, Yet I never even thought of doing it on recording. Proof that even after 30yrs I can still learn cool new stuff. Now I just wonder how I never even managed to try this.. ROFL Brilliant & again Thank you - I totally need to get your course - you really make this the most fun I have had in years!
Thanks. Great to hear that!
Check out the Academy. There are a lot of great courses in there!
I like to make these cuts a little dynamic so you don't loose too much body at moments where there isn't too much energy in those frequencies.
Short, informative, useful. Great video, thanks!
The mix sounds like a basic demo. 2:10 - All that built room speakers and gear and it sounds like an amp sim. No power or clarity in the mix at all. No separation. Mind blowing this channel has so many subscribers.
Man this mix sounds very nice!
Thanks! 🤘❤️
250 for my metal guitars especially the dual rec, nowadays I tend to stick an EQ in the FX loop and cut the 250 right there
Snap it up at the source and keep it sounding natural.
EQ in the loop is an absolute game changer.
Just pulling down those two frequencies is some kind of magical power. That was some killer stuff (and I gotta watch the course now). The difference on the 150Hz cut in the first example was way more noticeable than I thought it would be; without the cut, it actually sounded like someone had thrown a towel inside the kick drum. I don't know that I've ever described a kick drum as having "presence", but the cut definitely gave it more of that!
Awesome as always, brother! :)
Thanks man! Happy to hear you enjoyed it! 🤘
6:54 crazyy how that little cut widens the whole mix in context.. earned my sub 🫡🫡
Welcome!
Huge thanks for having our song Nihilist Against War in the 2nd frequency part of the video! I really appreciate it! I've also been a fan of your content for almost 5 years now!
That’s a great song! Thanks for letting me use it. 🤘
You are my favorite channel for metal mixing. To the point, great examples, good teacher. Keep on doing what you do! Bravo
Thanks man! Great to hear that.
These are genius! Great video. Cleaned up my mix in a huge way. Vox came out clearer and the bassiness was taken down enough to hear everything else much clearer. This was super helpful! Thank you. Instant sub!
Great to hear that!
I do a lot of remasters of old CDs. 250 Hz is usually a starting point for cutting mids.
Very enlightening, thanks!
excellent tips!! Thankyou for sharing!
these tricks are wonderful. personally i only knowed the 15-250 cut. thanks so much :)
Oh goddamnit! One of my songs is in the session but not in this cut🤣 I have to pay $20 to hear my mix critique lol
Great video and the course seems great!
It is 🤗😜
Very useful!
I’m getting ready to release my second song, and this is what I’m encountering.
The vocals are getting a bit lost against the guitars.
Gonna give this a go, along with some side-chaining.
👍👍
Go for it!
1000 Dank! Auf einmal klingt mein Song wie „aus dem Laden“ 😜🔥.
Wow! Thanks Kristian for using my track in example 2!! I'll buy the course immediately 🤘🤘🔥🔥
You should get it for free!
In case you share bought, hit me up and I’ll give you another course on top.
@@KohleAudioKult excellent! How do I get it for free?
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Ich war kurz krass verwirrt wo denn die Mussigg auf einmal herkommt 🥰. Wie immer sehr schönes video
Ach stimmt. Das eine Ding war von dir! 🤘
Danke für das Video!
Die tiefen Mitten sind mir in meinen letzten paar Mixes komplett abgehauen.
Gerade wenn man so tief stimmt wie wir (Drop E auf 8 Saiter), dann ist das oft schwierig heraus zu hüren, was das Low-End braucht.
And the next frequensies were around 500hz which is also some of those nasty areas where stuff builds up in metal. Kinda knew all of that but by trial and error but it's always cool to see that pro did it the same way.:D Were there a thing in this channel that said 350hz is an enemy of metal or something. :D Cool video again and cheers.
That track sounds sick!
Thank you!!!
Right good, thanks for that! 🙂
Yeah that 120-240hz area really fucks up the low end energy if there's too much of it in the mix. usually I find that bass and guitars build up so much mud in those regions so fixing that in master bus makes lot of sense as there isn'nt that much important stuff going on with other instruments expect the snares bottom end.:D
Absolutely! I hardly do a mix where I don’t pull something out down there.
Great video. I'll have to join the Kult now. Seems like it's totally worth it.
Very wise of you! 🤘😇
One question: why not cut it at the individual sources?
That's also addressed in the course.
Sometimes it is way faster to do certain things on the mix bus. Adding air to a mix is maybe the most prominent example.
Thank you for an ace FYI for engineering sound. Subed
Welcome!
Is this just relative to mastering??? So say I want vocals loudest in my mix...I record / push as loud as posable...I add guitar as next behind, yet, it starts clipping because of the specific frequency's....I then cut those conflicting guitar frequency's that clip the vocals / mix...So on and so forth for each instrument??? 🤔😕IDK if that makes sense, but I'm trying to think of the lasagna layers....Introducing layers as loud as posable, then determining the additional layers frequency's that cause clipping...🍻🤘
Completely agree on this! 170 Hz and 500 Hz kills anything metal. After the summer holidays we're starting our second album with the metal band. I will probably join the Kult during the production :D
I built a rack system for live bass guitar and I implemented an outboard 31 band EQ. I found that 250 sounded woody, 800 was weird windy noise, 2.4khz was terrible string scratchy sound that hurt the ears. I cut those out and it sounds a lot cleaner. I found that the distortion lived around 1.2khz so I boosted that. It sounds great.
Sounds like you know what you were doing!🤘
Just be careful with steep cuts or boosts on graphic EQs. Because the bands are so sharp this can sound unnatural pretty quickly.
GREATEST VIDEO YET 👍🏼
Damn that's a sharp HPF you have here
And a good one! 😎 It’s explained in the course.
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Heh, this works for stereos too. I was curious to see what they would be. I ride a 2022 Harley Davidson Low Rider El Diablo with the Rockford audio thing and I use the Power Amp app for my music. My custom eq for that includes cuts at 125, 250 and 500 hz. Below 125 there's no boost and only a slight bump above flat at 1K leading into then a little bigger boost at 2K and then the peak boost at 4k and up... but the high is boosted a lot because wearing a full face helmet, the helmet cuts out a lot of the highs, otherwise I wouldn't boost it as much as I do.
Anyway, it works for everything I listen to from Tom Waits to Billy Joel to Dayglo Abortions to Dissection to Dying Fetus to whatever. All styles it works. It's my go-too all-round EQ for any stereo system... bass may or may not get a hair added, mids stay at 0 or get cut, and highs get boosted. But I also prefer brighter mixes and guitar clarity, not out here trying to shake my booty. And of course, how much the low doesn't get touched, the mid gets cut and the high-end boosted depends what my options are, is it just a basic 2-3 band eq or a 7-10 band eq, what the speakers and listening environment dictates, etc. So flat bass, dip at low mids, less dip upper mids, boosted highs. So if 5 bands and max boost or cut is 10, maybe like... 1, -4, -2, 2, 4 or something.
Though sometimes can make the bass drum "ploppy" (like too much attack). But I'm also talking as a listener here, not mixing, but the same principle applies and has the same effects.
I feel like the cut at 500hz could be really helpful using some mid/side processing. Using it to remove some of the buildup in the guitars on the sides at 500hz and allowing the vocals to cut through in the center.
Malkes total sense. For some reason the mid/side thing isn't really more effective from my experience. Can't say why!
I have stopped using eq in my mixes but that works only when i record the stuff as well
Also, it starts in your mix. Pick an instrument to occupy the low mids, e.g. bass guitar. Pull those frequencies out of the instruments that don’t need them. Instantly, cleaner and more polished sounding mixes.
Youd be surprised what a 1db cut at 250hz and a 1/2db cut at 500hz will do for adding definition in heavy guitars- put it After cab block. Great for marshall types.
3:03 woahhhh that slope on the hpf 😮😮 no phasing? This isn't my genre persay, but man id love to know more. Beautiful mix man!!
Thanks! That HPF is so low it’s not a problem. Check out the course for the full information.
How does cutting 150-250Hz affect translation on smaller speakers? As I come to understand bass on small speakers rely on those higher octave harmonics. So it would be interesting to know how much of that range can be cut for it to sound still good on smaller speakers.
This is good! 💎
Great content!
Pre Mastering or Mastering????
Okay. Interessant. Ursprünglich war mir bekannt, dass das Boosten der 150 - 250 Hz Region der besseren Hörbarkeit von Bass auf kleinen Anlagen dienlich ist.
Beim Soundbeispiel mit Dymytry passiert auch das, was ich als Hörer bei sehr vielen modernen Mixen kritisiere: Es klingt überaufgeräumt und überklar. Ich präferiere da, dass ein gewisser „Restmuff" überbleibt. (Wahrscheinlich Konditionierung von den ganzen nicht-modernen Mixen.)
Nur beim Beispiel mit Nihilist war es imo dienlich. Da sind die Gitarren in dieser Region aber auch sehr stark gewesen.
Zu nem gewissen Teil bleibt das natürlich Geschmacksache! Wichtig ist nur, dass man weiß, wie es geht. Und natürlich ist es, wie du sagst, materialabhängig.
Those low mids are the reason I don’t trust my dt770 headphones for mixing as my only option cause they are already cutting them a lot and sound cleaner than it may translate to other systems. The 500hz region is the first I ll cut in live sound from Shure sm series mics for vocals and guitar amps. Those are some good frequencies to cut but if you over do it, it can make the mix to lose warmth instantly
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This band reminds me of Bury Tomorrow
The difference between the before and after, with these frequencies, is astounding.
I predicted 160hz. Maybe i heard that from Streaky?
Around 300Khz on vocals alone, as the whole mix goes, yes the lower end around 160Hz small deep, the rest it depends on material, around 4KHz is a nice place to check your annoying highs adventure while you where mixing, haha.
is this on the stereo bus, or your guitar comp?
Stereo bus
@@KohleAudioKult wow that changed the clarity of the guitars so much, im almost in disbelief!
Are you brickwalling at 30 or so?
A brickwall low cut introduces ringing, no matter which kind if digital eq you use, so this is a stupid idea, to cut with a 24 or 18db slope works, low shelve filters work, you can also use a bell curve filter to clean up the low rumble and mud, but never brickwall if you do not want to run into a lot worse problems then without a low cut.
If 500 Hz is the antithesis of everything Metal, shouldn't it be boosted in Schlager mixes? 😃
Before watching the video, I predicted 250 and 500 Hz to be the chosen trouble spots - and I wasn't disappointed!
I immediately disagree on the 150-250 range. There is something really angry living in a narrow band of 180-190Hz which makes your bass really growl like an angry wolf.
Honestly I tend to reduce the entire 200-550hz range because in my opinion they are very overpowering in a bad way. Also 5k is just a nasty harsh frequency
Iv been reducing 1k by about 2 or 3db and boosting 3k about 2 or 3db
A Czech band? Nazdar!
"Then you should have a look at the kick drum or the bass drum or..."
Okay, i got it 😅
Alles klar...literally. For once I could actually hear the difference. Going to give this a try on my muddy mixes. I'm also a little ashamed I recognised the Schlager stars too...
These mix engineers will probably make sense if every mix tutorial isn't aways rock or pop 🤔 whatever you call it. Most producers or engineers I know is not into that genre or recording big rock bands.
are you during a chemikal treatment ? shall we make a patreon of your hat cause ? :) and why you never play guitar ?
The fuck is wrong with you.
I cut the frequency of my music releases down 100%
Wtf is that brickwall hi pass
Sometimes, vocals should be covered up, you know?
That’s right. Makes the mixing less demanding 😜
180 and 350, thank me later
I still hear nothing in your examples that can't be fixed with a little eq on a single instrument instead of a mixbus. The drums sound terrible with all those low mids rolled out.
If I wouldn’t have to listen to the shy music for longer than 20 seconds, I would throw up