MLP | Starlight was NOT as evil as you think
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And before anyone inevitably says these
- No, this was not done because of Sunburst getting a cutie mark, she only brought that up cause Twilight kept yapping about the importance of her own friends' cutie marks while she was already on an emotional tirade
- Might be personal opinion but it's really hard to "charge" her for the crimes of what happened in those timelines because she had no direct hand in those realities, just the creation of an alternate reality that *just so happened* to lead into a bad reality, it's a case of time travel being incredibly unpredictable
- The show's time travel theory likely operates off of a single timeline/multiple already existing realities of one timeline, meaning those realities either already existed from the getgo and just needed the right push to be the main one, or the new realities are things that legit just came and went in the flick of a switch making it easily reversible, doesn't excuse her action no but doesn't make the consequences as extreme as other villains
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I disagree, the way starlight went about was still fucked and no one can justify it. Just because she went through childhood trauma doesn’t excuse all this. Also Twilight has EVERY right to “yap”🙄 about her friends because they saved all their asses from getting killed with their friendship. Which is also why I think starlight has ego issues even after she “changed”. Which is why she’s one of my least favorite characters. And thankfully a lot of people in the fandom seem to be realizing this
@@Edwardtheblue2 I literally just said in the first bulletpoint that this is straight up did not happen but ok lol
@Edwardtheblue2 she was a child, with a father who didn't really notice how she was acting. Probaly didnt know better.
I love starlight and agree with you except for that first point. Yes she shows twilight that flashback becuase she's emotionally frustrated, that is true. but also like she says in the episode becuase of that incident she was too afraid to make another friend becuase of cutiemarks, that snowballed into her cult, which snowballed into her trying to take revenge on twilight and her friends. The episode A Hearth's Warming Tail even reiterates this point by having starlight relate to a story that's basically just her own story
The problem with Starlight is not the plot, but the execution of the last 7 minutes of the season 5 finale.
That's always been my actual biggest issue with the Season 5 finale, the fact that it had to bombrush through and tell it's point with only 7 minutes left of the episode
But even then it's message is still there and for a good amount of people (including myself first watch), the message was received quite clear
@@MrVectorMV Season 5's finale is my least favorite because it felt so rushed (and because I tend not to like Time Travel stuff). The idea for the story and redemption was there, it was just poorly executed.
I like Starlight as both a villain and a hero, but the transition between the two sides was badly done imo, and I think had Starlight's redemption arc been a longer term thing rather than slapped into 7 minutes, people would have been more accepting of her.
@@BeaverBotics2s5 was actually my.favorite finale! And to me, among the better executed in terms of its moral.
@BeaverBotics2 I feel a bias against starlight's reformation was a huge number of people already hating the concept since Sunset already went through something similar. Even though Sunset's was executed far sloppier and rushed, hers was done first, and her character was then done justice afterwards, so Starlight showing up when everyone accepted Sunset was difficult for glimmy
@@BeaverBotics2yes this
People say Starlight had a lame motive for being a villain, but at least she HAS one. More than I can say for someone like Cozy Glow (she got diddly squat)
Diddly squat is so funny😭
Fr she came in like. An evil rewritten diamon tiara.
DT at least was open about being rude
When cozy tried acting cute I thought of Darla Dimple. Same hair and all
Like how can you think we’re going to believe the most blatantly obvious cutesy adorable pony unlike anyone else
Sayin “golly gee!” Lmao and suddenly she wants power??
And her name is cozy glow but her cutie mark is a rook chess piece.
None of those correlate lmao her colours aren’t cozy and her cutie mark doesn’t even match her name
I personally disliked cozy glow because she was evil for no reason
i feel like it would’ve been better if starlight and sunburst were both orphans that grew up in orphanage, and promised each other that no matter what, they would stick to each other’s side. they both grew a fondness of magic and wanted to become some of the most powerful unicorns known to equestria. however, everyone else saw sunburst’s potential and not starlight, as the latter struggled with her magical abilities. which is why when sunburst finally earns his cutie mark doing magic, he is handed the opportunity to become a prodigy while starlight is left behind, having only herself to become a master in magic, while simultaneously resenting cutie marks.
Cozy Glow was an offense to everything mlp stood for. After seasons upon seasons of redeeming adult villains in one episode or less after they did stuff like starting a cult and disrupting time itself in order to get petty revenge (nothing against Starlight, just using her as an example here), the show decided that a tiny filly is irredeemable because she was born evil? yeah i get that the point was that people are not what they seem and that ponies can be bad too yada yada but. this is a child. she's like 8. the very first two episodes ended up with the redemption of the villain who wanted to make the sun go away forever and this theme of forgiveness, empathy, understanding and redemption has been going on throughout the entire show. Sure there were exceptions here and there by this is A Child.
Most cult leaders think that they're doing the right thing, that doesn't change the fact that they are still in the wrong and doesn't undo the harm that they do to others. Starlight glimmer was a cult leader, her intentions were good but it doesn't change the fact that she hurt a lot of people in the process.
The short seems to cover that it makes logical sense that all this happened, though not really excusing her actions, besides partially, by not knowing the things they've done(which given most of it is probably public knowledge, makes it worse)
I mean, Twilight being effectively royalty and/or a goddamn alicorn should have been a huge red flag that she was important, let alone the fact that they were pretty openly hanging out with Discord.
Then again, it’s pretty obvious from watching later episodes that Starlight has a chronic lack of foresight, so she likely straight up didn’t consider any possible side effects of screwing over the Main 6 other than “those 6 specifically don’t get their Cutie Marks and friends.” Shortsighted and spiteful? Certainly. But she wasn’t actively trying to destroy the world and turned pretty quickly once she realized she did.
No but she literally wanted to convert twilight to her cause. She literally said that if a princess lives in her town without a cutie mark, the rest of equestria will finally see what she is trying to do here. So she let twilight stay with the _intention_ of it being permanent, even though they clearly had no interest.
@@Sammy_The_Umbreon Yeah. It's undeniable girl was a cult leader. She just believed her way was right. A lot of villains don't WANT to be evil, they usually think of themselves as good and those that oppose them as misguided. Star just needed to be shown another way, and she was, successfully, with an appropriate amount of lingering guilt. She did something awful, but it was handled well, imho. Infinitely better than Cozy Glow, at the very least.
This. I don't like her as a character because she was using Twilight for her evil purposes.
Starlight was the best antagonist in FIM- up there above even Discord; allow me to explain briefly
Discord got “reformed” early but he was still just kinda mean on purpose tk everyone who wasn’t Fluttershy- he went out of his way to ruin things for Twilight multiple times, like he was just rude.
Starlight’s reformation wasn’t instant, we see everypony skeptical about her for a while, we see her genuinely try but get caught up in her own head- girl literally bottled her rage to try and be a good pony! Tell me people you know would try to put their rage in an actual bottle so you can find them likable! We see her stumble, fall, screw up, make mistakes, but she genuinely tried pretty early on, unlike Discord
At least until after season 4, some of it is justifiable given the start of season 4, the first assumption was Discord and they were immediately ready to act on it. As for the letters mentioned during "Three's a Crowd", it may have been seen as a innmate check-in or therapy(as in the moment of being told certain talks would result in the appropriate services being called, hence it likely coming off more as business than a friendship)
With that in mind, the option of freedom at the end of the season is a whole lot more appealing
I really like her because of this reason. Personally, I think she was a pretty good antagonist! And we can certainly tell she's genuinely trying her best after season 5, even if she makes mistakes. Honestly, that's probably what makes her "realistic" in a way. She isn't flawless, but she's doing what she can to prove that she's changed, and rights her wrongs when they're called out. I don't get the hate for her some have- personally, she's my favorite character in the show.
That's just because Discord's character is literally designed around randomness and lack of sense.
When you put it in the way that some Random people just went into Starlight’s village and just ruined all her ambitions. It’s similar to a character in Pokémon called Kieran where the protagonist (you) go to his village and take ruin his dreams. I just find it really interesting how certain parts of their story are similar.
No joke. Pokemon was literally telling children that it's ok to lie to their families and adults in order to get what they want. Not even kidding. This was literally the lesson of the DLC.
She was also.. y’know… literally taking away their magical identities and brainwashing them. Yeah, Starlight was a horrible, horrible pony…
@@anonymouscausewhynot Kind of like in Pokemon how you catch animals out of the wild, make them battle and just turn them into numbers.
@@SBaby yeah, exactly. That’s not ethical. Not to humans, not to animals or in Starlight’s case.. to *your fellow ponies.*
@@anonymouscausewhynot Yeah, but the difference is that in My Little Pony, Starlight reforms and doesn't do it again afterward. In Pokemon, well not so much.
I love when people analyze characters like this omg
I like this analysis of Starlight cause it’s true.
Starlight had NO IDEA that Twilight and her friends (complete strangers to starlight at the time) were the reason that Equstria wasn’t in ruin yet more than once. All Starlight knew was that these random ponies showed up on a “mission”, only to end up ruining everything Starlight had set up, and so of course she wanted revenge. The revenge was mainly targeted at Twilight and her friends ONLY, no one else. Unless she had done a lotta research about it ahead of time, how was she supposed to know that her actions would have consequences as drastic as causing a lotta bad timelines? Her main issues were with her being under the belief that having cutie marks that make you different makes you unable to keep friends due to differences due to her only friend in the past moving away due to his talent represented in his cutie mark, hence why she created a town where she can use magic to remove cutie marks and replace them with equal signs and live in what she viewed to be “harmony and peace” even when it was at the expense of individuality and freedom of expression outside of “being the same as everyone else”
Don't forget that when her "friend" got his cutiemark, he litterly pushed pass her to show his parents instead of just running normally or even celebrating with his friend
Yeah but also losing a friend going to school is not really a reason or really a GOOD reason to practically Start a cult and steal everyone's cutie marks.
We take no Starlight slander in this house 😤
INDEED! NOBODY HURTS THE GLIMMER!
I JOIN THIS MIGHTY BRIGADE
No slander against my GlimGlam!
finally someone that actually understands her character
Yes, The stranger who came to investigate the town who she then basically kidnapped and imprisoned
Starlight does almost immediately mention the kind of growth her idea would have if a princess followed it
She wanted to prove that cutiemarks meant nothing and that they were so insignificant that nothing would've changed if they have gotten their cutiemarks or not.
Of course she was so wrong which is why she later changed.
They weren't insignificant and her actions did had consequences.
(too bad we never saw anything about the town and the consequences of that ever again).
What do u mean we saw the town later in the series a few times
@@little-wolfyluna5302 yup, a few times.
We never really got to meet then as characters or how do they run the place, how did they got there and stuff like that.
I love starlight but I really really wish that they didnt just push her past to the side to be fixed off screen.
Starlight knew enough about Twilight to figure out who she was, where she lived, and, most importantly, all about the map. Starlight explicitly mentions that using the map with her time travel spell is what allows her to go to any time or place. The map comes from the castle, the castle comes from the Elements, and the Elements are connected to the Six. That is the most basic information of the map- she cannot plausibly have known enough to connect the map with her spell without knowing the map was connected to the Elements.
It's true that her plan wasn't to destroy Equestria. She's obviously startled when she's brought back to Twilight's present. But even the slightest bit of foresight should have demonstrated that there could have been extraordinary consequences to her actions besides making Twilight sad.
But also, just for the record- creating a future where six individuals don't have some of the most intimate and foundational relationships in their lives is NOT cool.
Any more than brainwashing enough men, women, and *children* to fill a village to rule as a fascist dictator.
Starlight was messed up.
Fr
Motivation wise, the impact of the Mane 6's actions can be excused for the sake of hatred, it just means that it makes the weight of her actions worse
Agreed
Fr
She was still unstable and created a cult
i think its just the fact that she doesn’t think things through or how others react or feel sometimes, she always resorts to using her magic on others which really bothered me. she has some sort of desperation to control everything and i understand that it would be so because of how she didnt have any control over her childhood/backstory but its almost like she didnt learn much after becoming friends with twilight
I also dislike the fact that she saw cutie marks as these evil not necessary things but never got rid of her's
@@mao-jj2uj it just fueled her need for control, she wanted hers still to use her magic
Ok but you cannot defend the village cause she didn't equalize herself.
She clearly enjoyed the power, and both liked the equal society and liked being in charge. That's when she became evil despite no desire to be like that.
So in the s5 finale she is upset BOTH that her power is gone and that the only way she knew to make people happy was gone.
I don’t buy that Starlight was never really evil. Sure her philosophy that the world would be better off without destiny/cutie marks can be excused, as can actually creating a spell to remove cutie marks and creating a village around the removal of cutie marks. But then she never stops to think that she might be wrong when some of the villagers start to regret their choice, and it’s pretty strongly implied that she threatens dissenters from the Sugar Bell acts. She’s a cult leader and while she might say she’s doing it for her followers she doesn’t actually care about them.
The plot to go back in time and erase the rainboom I don’t think was really Starlight’s idea. I think it was a trap created by the map to take out someone who could potentially be a problem by putting her in a situation where the only way out was her accepting she needed to change. I think that death world that ended up changing her was her world, the one she would have created with her philosophy. Without cutie marks no food could be produced, the weather would go out of control, the seasons would disappear, ponies, plants and animals would die off and the world would fall to ruin. To that end I think her redemption was necessary more than it was deserved, because that was what would prevent her from being a threat in the future.
For the first bit, her hatred and forced methods of conversion could be classified as evil, and given she was too scared to make a friend after Sunburst probably makes the villagers out as aquaintances at best
It would have been more interesting if Starlight was trying to stop Sunburst from getting his cutie mark since this is what she believed stopped them from being friends.
At the point she's at(to stalking Twilight), her hate is likely more front and center than her logical thinking or sadness/despair
It was very dumb for her to go after an alicorn which automatically means royalty but then AGAIN again, she probably knew that the sun and moon is being lifted by not twilight so she's like "meh probably not that bad"
She honestly had nothing to go off of other than that this is a random new alicorn princess that's as young as she is, not much expectation that it would be that big of a problem
@@MrVectorMV Her biggest mistake was not reading up on twilight and see if she's important, which would be good for her. In a "know your enemy" kinda thing. But I can see her not caring and just trying to infiltrate twis castle and do the spell
Starlight deserves far more love than she gets.
Wasn’t she aware of who twilight was when she ripped off her cutie mark?
And we supposed to ignore that she was a hypocrite when she ripped off the town’s cutie marks minus her own while saying that they cause problems?
There is one critical problem with this. While it is reasonable that Starlight's revenge can be justified while she didn't know of the possible consequences, what about when she did? Yes, after Twilight showed her "the death timeline," Starlight AGAIN tried to stop the rainboom, and this time PERMANENTLY by destroying the time travel spell to trap Twilight (from what she implies). It doesn't matter whether or not she was in denial or in emotional turmoil because she still proceeded with it. If she truly felt regret in those 7 seconds of tearing up at "the death timeline" then why would she try to achieve what could be a similar result? And the key point here is that Starlight tried to stop the rainboom once more and permanently this time, while being in the know of the POSSIBILITY of the world ending. Obviously, she never planned to let her revenge cause the end of the world on PURPOSE, but she still RISKED the world all just to GET that revenge! She may have been in denial, but she still knew that there was a chance that her actions would lead to the end of the world, and yet she still chose to go forward with this.
And this is not coming from the perspective of a Starlight hater; in fact, she's one of my favorite characters in the show (4th favorite). But even if I like Glim-Glam, I still hate it when people claim that "she was more right than wrong" in this scene, because it's simply untrue. Moreover, Starlight journey is one to come back from the depths of malice she sunk to in this scene, NOT to come back from reaching the edge of the boundary between good and evil. By suggesting that she was more often than not reasonable here is cheapening her road to redemption.
I'll be real with you all of that can legit just be chalked up to a case of "person in an incredibly emotional state of mind acts irrational and keeps going after getting a emotional trigger and can only chill tf out when they're calmed down"
That's what led to the denial, emotional turmoil that didn't help cause the person she hated yet again started yapping, that's why she tried to keep going despite seeing the _possible_ results and obviously still not wanting the outcome, that's why she stopped when Twilight finally brought her to her senses, I wish I could've made that clear in the video but there was only so much I could say in a 60 seconds time limit
And nobody, not even me, was saying that she was in the right and was anywhere free of fault, the point is that she had a _reason,_ an understandable one, even if it led to a foolish choice, and people trying to make it out to be much much worse than it actually is is often straight up untrue
@@MrVectorMV To be fair, all of that is well... fair. I can see how some people might forgive Starlight for that moment, and some people can't. I was just stating my argument for why Starlight "was not more right than wrong." I never tried to frame you for claiming that Starlight was 100% in the right, I was saying that she was more wrong than right. But the bottomline here is that a similar portrayal could be given to villains like Chrysalis (who, as Starlight mentioned, went down an almost identical path). The big difference is that Chrysalis was offered a "chance" of forgiveness without trusting in her freedom to choose (aka, she was put in a vulnerable positon when she was offered forgiveness, while Starlight was about to succeed with her revenge). And also, I would consider Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy's crimes on a similar level to Starlight's. The argument that she was reasonable here or was suffering an emotional breakdown is irrelevant because she was still willing to risk the world while knowing the world was at risk to get revenge. If she had destroyed the world permanently, you think anyone would care whether or not she was regretful or emotional while doing it? No, because she still went through with it, and she almost did so in our timeline, had it not been for Twilight reaching out to her. That thus puts her in the same boat as the Terrible Trio. The difference is that Starlight got a backstory, and Twilight could understand her. The Trio never got real backstories, and no one cared to ask if they had a reason for their actions.
Anyway, this is enough essaying even for me.
Cutie Remark was the show's highest point and the only great thing that Josh Haber gave us.
He actions are unforgivable. The timelines of suffering still happened. She mettled with things she didn't understand at best, causing a dozen realities where suffering was all that was introduced. Being a menace that only wanted to cause suffering for twilight and he friends, at best. She didn't deserve redemption.
Given that Twilight believed she'd be better reformed and those actions only being known by a small few, it may have just been ignored for the sake of reformation
She's just had a "spoilt kid plot"
This is about ALL redeemed villains, not just Glimmer, but...
Is it REALLY that big a deal if what she did WAS that bad or not? I personally disagree with this video and think what she did WAS that bad... and I like that! True redemption isn't about excusing past crimes or downplaying them to say they weren't that bad, but about healing, growth, and changed ways.
I think Glimmer WAS that bad.
That's why she's top 5 best characters with me!
She Healed, Grew, and Changed, and I love her for it!
Can't we have it both ways?
Okay but..still not an excuse. She did bad.
And you're absolutely right
Starlight should of been turned into glue
dont you remember she held the mane 6 prisioners in a tiny room with a sound box where she would keep babbling about her philosophy? That was her HOLDING PEOPLE CAPTIVE and attempting to >brainwashing them
Exactly! She was running a CULT in that town! If she wasn't, then she wouldn't have freaked out when some of the townsfolk said they wanted their cutie marks back! She wouldn't have gaslit and guilt tripped Party Favor for even THINKING of getting his back! It's classic cult brainwashing tactics, and I do NOT understand how people don't see this!!!
At that point, almost everybody would give up on starlight and think of her as a lost cause at this point. 😑
Ah, of course! So she's not evil because she didn't KNOW she was ending the world! All she wanted to do was RUIN THE LIFE OF THE PONY THAT DISBANDED HER CULT!!! Because yes, that was a cult, not a town. And she didn't change! She kept making over the top, extreme reactions to minor things and continued to be ab abusive person. She sold her best friend's HOME BEHIND HER BACK DESPITE KNOWING SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT!!! Then she had the gall to get mad at TRIXIE because Trixie was righteously angry and betrayed that her best friend sold her home without her permission after seeing her tell the guy that bought it that she didn't want to sell it! When she thought her friend was too interested in her other friends, she age regressed him and herself instead of just talking to him! And finally, it doesn't matter that she didn't know she was ending the world, she still did it! And as for your claims of not being able to charge her because it never actually happened, you can be arrested for planning a murder, even if you never go through with it! She should have gone to jail or at the very least been forced to do community service! She tried to destroy Twilight's life because Twilight pointed out that she was lying to her cult and pointing out that the cult was unsustainable, especially because several people wanted to leave but couldn't! They sent a literal child to Tartarus and then turned her to stone simply because she wasn't sorry, but the dangerous cult leader that nearly ended the world gets to be the personal student of one of the Princesses that rule the land?! They went way too far with actions, and her "trauma" is a pathetic excuse for her actions! We've all had to deal with friends moving away, and I haven't seen anyone start a cult because of it! She may not be evil, but she is a HORRIBLE person.
I agree,i love twi and her friends but they should have arrested her 💀
Whoa. True, true, but well... Starlight still ended up progressing, aye?😅
I agree with you. But i feel like the big difference between the villains who were redeemed and the ones who weren't is the fact that after one, maybe two attempts the redeemed villains actually stop and reevaluate their corses of actions and actually feel bad and remorseful and want to change. Cozy glow, and the other two were crashing out and continued to make multiple evil plots to destroy equestria. When cozy glow was stoped the first time, she felt no remorse she even tried to do it again after being caught the first time within the same episode. And her being a child doesn't really mean anything with the extent of her crimes. She wanted power, still wanted power, never saw the error of her ways. And continued to be a terrible pony.
Agreed!
Making a Cult
I agree with you but why are so many people forgetting that starlight was essentially a cult leader?
Y’all… she wasn’t doing any good and was a control freak at first who had terrible morals. In her head she was doing right, sure, but she was completely manipulative and a bad person. Why are you guys acting like Twi ruined a good thing?
We're not. We're saying that she didn't realize the consequences of her actions and Twilight made her see that. So WASN'T a good pony at all. And she realized that and swore to do good. It's saying that sometimes people are wrong and that they can change. I mean, just imagine if you drew an art piece you worked really hard on for YEARS, and you made it to change the world and you were completely convinced that you were doing the right thing. Without realizing that the things the piece were depicting were harmful in some way. Then some random stranger came and called you out to the authorities while you don't even know what you were doing wrong. You feel you were wrongly convicted because of one strangers 'opinion'. Obviously, you'd want to protect yourself.
@@junior7925 have you not seen the comments saying she was doing something good and twilight ruined it?
@@spycenrice8108After reading a couple more of the comments I kind of get what you mean. However I'm pretty sure almost everyone in the comment section is probably biased towards Starlight because maybe they like her character or something. And for me personally, I didn't really think Starlight deserved forgiveness. But I heard a story once where this ghost had the power to hypnotize anybody he wanted, kind of like what Starlight was doing, and his big goal in life was to become the God of the human race. So he hypnotized everyone to worship him and he fed off of the power. Well the hero of the story didn't have a good feeling about this, like the Mane 6 did, so he went to go stop the ghost. Even though the ghost could see what he was doing through the people he hypnotized and could easily send people to attack the hero he chose not to attack him until he was up against him himself and felt the need to protect himself against the hero. The hero was trying to convince the ghost to stop controlling everyone, but the ghost explained that everyone had dreams and this was his. And he was hurting anyone. He never forced them really to do anything or change themselves. Life under his rule would have continued like normal. Nothing would change accept that people would worship him and he promised not to make them do anything bad. In fact, his rule could have solved world peace. The hero couldn't give any reason why the ghost should stop what he was doing since he wasn't harming anybody. But in the end the ghost and the hero had become friends and the ghost realized he just wanted someone to love him and that people deserved free will. So he let everyone go, even saving the hero at some point in the story from a monster. And I'm bringing up this story because it's so much like Starlights I think. She was trying to make everyone equal in an attempt to make everyone happy. So that no one would be hurt like she was hurt or so that she would never be hurt like that again. Her way was extreme though so she deserved to be stopped, but she was trying to do right, just going about it the wrong way. I think she truly had good intentions at some point, then maybe became obsessed with power and getting her way.
@@junior7925 throughout the show we see starlight confront difficulties with not being a control freak or wanting power over people. She did get good development and the mane 6 learn to trust her, but I’m with you. I never liked starlight and I didn’t like her getting redeemed, but ultimately she had no reason not to be. I also said in my original comment that I understand starlight thought she was doing the right thing, but the people who truly believe the mane 6 were in the wrong for not “minding their own business” are crazy.
She was doing a communist manifesto, not a cult leader (even though it is hard to tell the difference).
This is why I agree with this guy too, since people that genuinely think communism is so good in theory they don't realize how painful it is in practice, especially being the actual leader of a society that followed and couldn't see the mess from their perspective
As if the cutie remark actually happened.
Starlight's goal in her first episode was to get close to Twilight to increase her sphere of influence to the royalty of equestria.
Tell me, which do you think is more plausible?
That Glim-glam, a pony who has since shown herself to be quite cunning, took a spell that Starswirl and the element of magic herself could only use to travel back two weeks, extended its range to at least a decade, learned about Twi's origin but not ANY of the events that followed, and used said spell in a revenge scheme that could not possibly work as it gave twi infinite retries to stop her, or failing that, leaves her stuck in a dormamu time loop forever...
Or that she, a pony known for mind control spells, ganked Twilight and spike with a hypnosis spell to convince them she was reformed like so many of their other villains, and positioning herself as a trusted friend with influence over them, who goes on to gain the favor of Luna and Celestia, installs one friend as the new leader of the changelings, another as liason to yakyakistan, and goes on to mold the minds of a generation?
The mind magic probably wouldn't work on Twilight at least, as even at the season 5 finale, we see that Starlight's offensive magic doesn't tax Twilight's defensive magic
I actually loved that they made such a complex villain turning to hero because in a way, she WASNT a villain.
She was an antagonist to the main 6 bc she went against their ideals. She was in the wrong because her ruling of a village was making ponies miserable, and she kept her own cutie mark to make sure that order stayed. She genuinely thought that was the right way to live, and these strangers came in and ruined her entire life's work.
And I love that she got a chance to get to know these ponies and get to know WHY they walked in and "ruined" everything. Because her subjects were suffering, and Because the strangers were intent on HELPING the ponies suffering from her order.
Starlight: indeed...if i could back now and take care of them now? I would
She wasn't a villain. Sure. She was just making ponies suffer and forced them in her cult village. 😅
@@Briselance she wasn't doing it out of malice or ill intent you one-dimensional donut. She truly thought she was freeing these ponies from their cutie marks, because she truly thought that cutie marks were going to tear people apart. She thought she was a good guy doing genuine good, and I was amazed that a kids show can show that level of depth in a character. What do you do when someone thinks they're helping people, but they're really hurting people?
Also her father’s parenting style didn’t help
It’s also very likely Starlight didn’t know much about Equestria in the first place. Afterall she grew up in a village and apparently went to a desert for a period of her life. Also her village was very isolated, partly because she wanted to be isolated from the rest of the world. She may know twilight as the princess of friendship yes but let’s be honest everyone knows and the news basically spread like wild fire. Even if she did hear “6 ponies saved the world” she probably didn’t believe it and disregarded it, as it didn’t fit her idea that ponies have to be equal in order to bring peace
For the sake of motivation, that's fine, but in terms of the weight of her actions, ignoring that line of thinking makes it worse
Here's my question in regards to Starlight. Why didn't she bother to write to Sunburst?
She knew he was going to Canterlot and knew what school he was going to, so why not stay in contact through letter or even try to go see him? For that matter, did Firelight try to console or do anything for his daughter?
It felt like her whole scheme could've easily been avoided had she used something called the post office.
- Sire's Hollow is an incredibly tiny town that is at a corner of Equestria, the likelihood of any letters she could send to canterlot is slim to none
- She and Sunburst were kids, and her father was a helicopter parent that babies her constantly and likely won't listen to any problem she has, not like she'd be able to learn (and even then I doubt she understood what to do at that age)
- Sunburst's mother sends him letters 24/7 to where he always throws em away and doesn't bother reading, so there's a big chance that if he saw a letter with the label of Sire's Hollow, he'd ignore it instantly
Starlight and MoonDancer have Borderline Personality and you will not convince me otherwise
On a side note. Starlight’s magic was insane!
Doesn’t change the fact that she didn’t face any consequences for her crimes. What she did was still petty and unsympathetic. She only got redeemed because of plot. I’d rather forgive Megatron before her. 😑
Doesn't exactly fix it, but given the target was Twilight's friend group and knowledge of those events is limited to them and possibly the princesses(at least at that moment), the process of punishment felt like a harmful effort that would slow efforts to the potential of Starlight being reformed
@@nameynamd9212 some people just can’t be saved. That’s just how the world works. 😔
@@Green-Hybrid3017 Here, sure, but confitions were right to do it there
When g5 started everything that twilight achieved and achieving peace with all creatures is gone. The ponies are separated again, the other creatures are either missing or extinct. Twilight could be dead or worse case scenario evil. Everything she’s been through was all for nothing. Every lesson wasted. All that’s left is segregation. Was it even worth it? If twilight becomes the villain,i wouldn’t blame her one bit.😔
glimmy DESERVES all the love she gets
We need more people to understand that characters can still make mistakes while still being hurt
Starlight has always been my favorite character mainly because after her redemption all of the awkwardness and dislike of talking about feelings is exactly how I feel
Yeah, same, I can relate to her character, but I also find her interesting! It also doesn't help that I usually tend to like the antagonists in media, anyway.
Its been a while since I saw MLP: FiM, but If I remember her right, she was my fav unicorn of the FiM series, since she more freely used magic, unlike Twilight.
Although Sunset Shimmer, Trixie Lulamoon, and Tempest Shadow were great too.
I love how serious this all is over a kids show.
(Not that I’m saying only kids can watch it or anything, literally on a rewatch right now, but it was made for kids who wouldn’t think too much about all this.)
I do enjoy that this two part episode was the inspiration for Sonic Prime though. Now I personally liked that show. I know not everybody liked it because they had the audacity to give Sonic an actual character arc. But I thought it was pretty good, because I actually like character development in my stories. I like to see how a protagonist changes over the course of a story.
Sonic Prime is pretty fun and cool piece of Sonic media
I think the 3rd season is kinda disappointing but it ain't too trash
Well, to be fair, she tried to convert them almost immediately when they came into the city and eventually IMPRISONED them
Fair enough. my problem with starlight is that her motivation didn’t seem serious enough for her prescriptive cure.
i think mlp has some of the best redemption arks. And I really like that not all of the villains are redeemed either.
Starlight in later seasons with best girl made up for the bad! Their relationship felt like the main six during season one; that raw kind of friendship.
The starlight opps only see what they wanna see, bro, its crazy how blind they are
Starlight: indeed
...though i do wonder
What if there was another timeline where cozy was reformed?
You're so dead set on wanting this crazy a.ss kid to be reformed, huh ? Get over it. She's trapped in stone, and doesn't deserve redemption at all, cuz she actively refused it. Her fault, all she got is deserved. Just because you're a kid doesn't mean you are excused, if you purposely did evil things, fully KNOWING that deaths would happen because of it. Stop defending evil. You'll live longer.
Starlight glimmer was enslaving people under false pretenses, and wouldn’t allow them to leave even though that was part of the sales pitch. In fact, the only reason twilight and friends tried to stop her was because she wouldn’t even let them leave, despite the fact that they had said they did not want to be part of her town.
They were going to leave peacefully until she locked them in a cage while they were asleep. The few townsfolk who wanted their cutie marks back would have left peacefully. The rest of the town, who presumably w ere still fine with being the LCD of ability, would have stayed.
Starlight wanted ALL PONIES EVERYWHERE to have no cutie marks because she couldn’t be friends with people who could do things she couldn’t.
Starlight just had no idea she was talking to the main characters lol
I’m still going through the series - just recently saw the S5 two-parter - and the audacity of Glimmer to be set on removing cutie marks while retaining hers is insane. Never mind the fact that, as she would have known, an alicorn is serious business and not to be trifled with.
From what I’ve seen so far, I’d say it’s good that she struggles with self-hate; she needs to assess why she was being such a moron to begin with.
Given the events of the past still haunted her when converting the village, it's likely her actions were mostly emotionally charged as her knowledge let her weave the time travel spell to use a different power source and tie any users together any time it's used
Starlight is a realistic character and one I identify with a lot. Due to some awful things I’ve done for the exact same reason; I didn’t think my “small” actions would result in massive consequences for not only me, but those (my fiancée) around me.
And despite learning my lesson and actively choosing to better myself, I would still occasionally fumble due to bad choices, but nonetheless growing from them.
Starlight created multiple dystopian time lines, assaulted ponies, stalked them, all because someone moved away, and for all that she never saw any repentance or paid for any of her crimes. Awful character, left the show after her and never watched G4 again.
Agreed
she didnt take away her own cutiemark, meaning she didnt believe in her own cause
She was still pretty hesitant to give up on her plan after seeing the consequences.
Starlight is one of my favorite characters in the show and her character development and arc proves it
I am sure the wasteland looking scene was a suble nod to Fallout: Equestria
yall did not learn your friendship lesson with this one, Celestia would be disappointed
Starlight is straight up my favorite character in MLP. The amount of emotional growth she goes through is wild
You explained this SO WELL. Thank you SO MUCH.
Starlight abused Trixie in the episode on the road to friendship, she sold her house and left her crying!!!!!
Starlight thought she was right, and wasn't willing to believe otherwise without an OVERWHELMING amount of proof
my gripe wasnt with starlight's redemption itself, it was the fact that she was able to be redeemed but they never even ATTEMPTED to redeem cozy glow... a CHILD
Starlight my beloved
this is just a thought i had when i finished the show again last week, so it may not make sense, but i find it so annoying when people hate starlight for what she did and still love discord despite what he did
THE UNCLE AARON CLIP MADE ME CACKLE FJDKDO
imagine just tryna get a
r/pettyrevenge sounding story just to accidentally almost destroy the entire world 7 times 😭
Starlight was a good character that got more time to have character development just like discord even he makes mistakes too
Lily Orchard is having a mental conniption rn 😂
Starlight was not as evil as you think?
Sure. She was just a town dictator and shangaied six strangers in her dystopia, and got miffed when her dreadful town was duly liberated.😅
Starlight wasn't doing what she thought was right, she was doing what she did to control other ponies?? The exact same reason why she didn't get rid of her own cutiemark?? Lol
I LOVE STARLIGHT SM
Oh my god you're right, I never realized this
🥺 thank you for defending the baby.
Went from a psycho to a depressed person
Best starlight analysis ive seen
This actually changed my perspective on her character and makes me empathize w her more :)
Starlight gives Twilight some amazing advise. She’s in my top 3 favourite characters
I feel like its impossible to live in equestria without knowing the main 6 saved everyone multiple times
But heyy! At least starlight lives with twilight now no?
It’s unlikely that Glimmy wasn’t at least vaguely aware of Twilight’s hero status, but that’s not a problem. It feels totally in character for her to brush that off as just “another example of Twilight stopping visionaries, like herself.”
Personally, I loved the redemption of Starlight and I think it was really well written!
Not every villian wants to be evil, some just end up going down that path. Starlight only became a villian because she thought cutie marks meant her friends would leave her behind, she was afraid of being abandoned again. Even if what she did was wrong, she still chose to work her way towards redemption, even if her actions aren’t excusable.
I kinda relate to that, being abandoned is scary, and that happened to me a lot growing up. I’ve suffered the pain of being abandoned just as she had, it’s not something easy to cope with. I mean, I never did anything particularly villainous, I learned to get past it. It’s hard to deal with abandonment, especially when you have hardly anyone who can help you see the problem that you have ,and help you get through it in a healthy way. That’s why I kinda prefer some villains over some heroes.
**THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR THE STARLIGHT DEFENSE CLUB**
While I understand her transition into her redemption arc was rushed I can only sympathize with anti Starlight people to an extent because I didn’t let those rushed few minutes in the S5 finale ruin my overall love for her. Her actual redemption is solid and no one can convince me other wise.
She says right there in her villain song, Our Town, that the purpose of the village is to keep people from ever feeling lesser than others, prevent bullying, and ensure everyone is happy. The genuinely believed that what she was doing was for everyone's benefit.
Honey wake up mv made a new video.
I know that she didn't want to be a evil even she didn't know her revenge will destroy the world
I don’t see her as evil during the time thing, I see her as dumb.
Unless some world ending event happened, or someone close to her flat out died (as yeah, I can see someone logically going that far if they cared about died or got into a life changing accident and they could go back in time), I don’t care _what_ your reasoning and motive is.
Messing with time is dumb, end of discussion. And there is a plethora of other ways she could’ve made Twilight lose her friends, especially if she’s smart enough to rework _Starswirl’s_ time spell when no one else could.
But other than that? Yeah she’s pretty good overall.
It's honestly part of her common theme of being somebody who's that socially indept and lonely with no real influence in her life that would help get her straight, that when she wants to achieve a goal, there's a 9 times outta 10 chance that she will very well go the extra mile to do it, and not actually realize that it's the wrong move, and that there's a much better alternatvie
And in this case *especially* she wouldn't know how dumb or bad of an idea it would be to utilize time travel to ruin one singular guy, and ofc doesn't help when she doesn't know how important that guy is lol
THIS THIS THIS 100%. She literally was just like, school bully level trying to break up a group of friends, she was just doing it in a very dramatic way that- unknowingly- had really extreme consequences.
"How can a group of ponies who are so different be be SO important?" - She was in complete denial of what she just saw and, honestly, I would probably be too.
and like. I know people say her backstory is weak, but I kind of feel like that fact contributes to her character a lot- because as Twilight said- Starlight has a tendency to over-do. She takes things to an extreme which tbh is really relatable when you have anxiety.
HELLO THERE STARLIGHT CARNIVAL ZONE FROM SONIC COLORS-
To be fair so many people hated Starlight we went from nearly a million people watching the show live to 200k in some S6 eps to so few watching it live they stopped telling us that information.
The fandom split in half and honestly, would be bigger fandom today if the show ended the day before S5 finale released.
You would have to be an idiot to defend Starlight at this point. Most people hated her and most people stopped watching the show before S6 released.
Season 5 is peak.
This is the video that made me subscribe
This is so true, finally someone gets it
Love this perspective
Yeah man, cult leaders tend to not *want* to be evil.
Like I can enjoy post-reform Starlight Glimmer, but her snap from "bad guy" to "good guy" remains the least well pulled off of all such transitions on the show.
Like it's not "She’s not evil, just misunderstood", it's "She had misunderstood herself as not evil".