I'm sorry but what a mess. The IFBB let divisions get completely out of control, and then have to introduce a new division to turn back the clock and undo their mistakes. Classic started when men's open turned into a mess of turtle-shell stomachs, physique came because women's bodybuilding got crazy etc etc. For me, the standard for this new division should be peak Amanda Latona, back when bikini first started, but bikini has become too lean and stringy, a skeleton with glutes, so now they need a new 'healthier' looking division... Again. Will it ever end? Also, why do we need to "find a division to let EVERYONE compete and have the chance to become an IFBB pro"? These pro comps should be the aspirational pinnacle of physique development but we already see girls train for 6 months and get a bikini pro card, so this new division will be giving out pro cards like confetti because the bar of entry will be so low. It absolutely destroys the integrity of competition but it's a nice money-spinner for the IFBB though... Right? Good luck to anyone going to shows next year and sitting through a thousand competitors. I would say please don't introduce a men's 'fit' division but they 100% will because men's physique guys are getting as big as classic guys... And so it goes on.
I just dont know why they cant return bikini to this judging standard. This is exactly why bikini came out (actually this is why figure started too). The judges keep rewarding masculine women. If they just keep to their own judging rules they wouldnt need to add more divisions.
@ they could, or wellness or they can tone it down like lauralie did this year. The judges are the ones rewarding more muscularity and dryness, had they kept the standard the same as they did in the begining bikini would be way more popular. It has lost a lot of its luster since Janet Layug retired. The question that should be asked is what will happen to bikini once fit model goes big?
They honestly don’t reward masculine women. Muscle? Yes. But ALL the divisions have evolved. There are a lot of bikini girls competing to the standards that the IFBB/NPC want. Not fair that they would have to change further in the way you want them to. It’s like reverse bodybuilding lol. This new division is for newer girls
@ it was the standard for bikini when it started it is about what “I” or anyone else wants it about keeping standards that the IFBB created for the division. Also the whole problem is they been rewarding masculine (facial masculinization) which should never have happened because of the original guidelines of the bikini division.
@@mrcliche1025yes! You can clearly see pro level bikini athlete faces morph. Lots of hard work, sure but the pressure to keep advancing is pushing the large majority to take PEDs
From a business perspective I totally agree with Tyler's point, but this division IS NOT bodybuilding, this is an other beauty contest like all the other ones that already exist on media mainstream. Do these girls should even lift ?^^
It is bodybuilding, and women will have to train and build their bodies for this division, and they will be doing it in a natural way and it will be the most feminine look according to many. Bodybuilding is not only about men and anabolics
This is also bodybuilding and this division has already existed and the girls trained for it specifically, however they could do it in a more natural way without harming themselves and losing periods. Bodybuilding isn't only about men and steroids
@yuliaz4397 agreed, but I'm wondering what will be the judging criteria, because let's be honest, the less muscle they have, the harder it is to distinguish which competitor is better than the other. In the end, I fear that this divison will be just a beauty contest full of controversy in the athlete ranking
The way this is going, the men's open at the Olympia will take place around 3-4am. However, from a money making standpoint, this is the right move, especially since other federations around the world have been doing these model divisions for 10+ years now with great success.
The lowest barrier to entry should be all the natural shows coming to the NPC. If the Fit Model is actually going to be a thing it should be NPC only. Never IFBB Pro and certainly never on the Olympia stage.
We should wait to see how this plays out. The IFBB has their reasons for adding this division, and we can either respect how they run their shows or choose another to compete in. Giving more people a chance to step into the industry is never a bad thing. Anyone with negative opinions about offering opportunities in fitness or any sport should rethink their place in this community-it’s about growth and inclusion.
I really want hany to talk about his early years and bodybuilding through his eyes and talk about his start in detail I’m a huge fan but I don’t know much about his early career to be someone as awesome as he is at coaching that must come from grinding all those years wanna hear about that one day would be awesome Mr rambod 😁
It’s a sport… to be able to say you are a bodybuilder means something. Adding in a division that is less muscular, less conditioned feels like a slap in the face to people who are and have been grinding to be able to say they’re BODYBUILDERS.
But this division has already existed! And it wasn't considered a slap in the face. Now that everybody is out of control with steroids and basically harming themselves, they have to stop it! They absolutely need to reintroduce more natural looks where the girls don't lose periods, next step should be similar division for guys. And they will still be training hard!
As is now, as an amateur bikini competitor we don't get time to pose. I participated in a couple of shows this years that we did not go to finals as they were running late. We pay a price to compete in prejudging and finals and not to be able to even attend finals? The money is not the issue, is the time, effort and sacrifice spent preparing for the show to be in that nonsense position?! That is piss poor planning on their end but I pay the price for overbooking and not having enough time for what was paid? Tisk tisk tisk
This is also the only industry I know of where the general public almost has direct access to their favorite athletes via socials gues posing Meet and greets
New division is what bikini should be without anavar, primo and test. It will end up being the same thing where they start taking stuff and getting too cut, capped shoulders, huge glutes.
Tons of em. It's a real shame bc of how backwards things are over there, not to mention the rising political tensions between the west and Iran. Regardless of how I feel about Iran as a country, it's a real shame not just for the many talented male and female bodybuilders from there, but also the iranian people who are just like us
Watered down version of inclusive bs going on everywhere’s else . Okay give em a lane, but not in the pro. Make that their stepping stone to maybe the pros if they want/can. Don’t mix the two. Young guy knows a thing or two but buddy don’t try and reinvent the wheel. Guys already risking their year long package cause of your timing games. Let alone the disco lights and billboard backdrop . The Olympia and any show that qualifies for the O should be for pros and tbh the bikini can go to this league and stay there considering the close relation to this new “category.” No one wants to pay damn good money to sit for hours and watch I’m sorry but a piggyback. Open classic212 mp women’s figure and open would be carrying this new class and bikini like it has been. And guess what men’s open and classic got women’s piggy backin off it just like the wnba does to the nba…. Stop making your cash cows suffer so everyone can get a trophy and participate .
IDK how to feel about this as I have yet to compete in a show but what I don’t want is long long waits backstage and no time on stage. If that’s what’s going to happen I’ll pass.
This "new division" is DEI for the fitness/bodybuilding industry. Apparently, they think ANY female can build and maintain enough sculpted muscle mass with shredded definition, separation and vascularity by using natural strength/power. It's insulting to the FEW women who actually have the inherent talent to achieve that aesthetic, strength and fitness level. That's why I've only truly admired the fitness category competitors; they're gymnasts, acrobats, dancers, etc. performing with a physique division's body. At the same time, ONLY BLOOD TESTS can prove natty status. The standard urine tests, and all the loopholes, PROVE NOTHING. We ALL know some women who've been on growth hormones and illegal fat burners and they didn't look like they were on ANYTHING (local gym members and pro entertainers alike).
I've read so much hate comments on other channels I'm actually glad that this division is being made. Only there was males natural fitness, it would make me hungry to start training again. I had a stroke two years ago because genetic in my family and this is why I didn't take steroids but I still had a stroke bad luck right but I have worked harder than anyone else I have trained out with that has taken gear . To all those haters just work harder😂❤ Show Man in my videos I've just put up he might be impressed I'm 69 kg vascular and shredded with striations but it has probably taken me six years of hard training to only gain 5 kg of muscle and that's a work ethic
Looks like this division will look like bikini in the past. Bikini also had resistance , and people ended up loving it. Idk. A have mix feelings. We will see
@@mdsaad8711 I’ve competed in 7 natural shows and have trained clients for 5. Tell me more about the world of natural bodybuilding please! Snooze fest if you’re not the one competing. Your opinion is always welcomed buddy ol pal.
Maybe they should keep receding hairlines, dense tie-ins, manly calves and jawlines away from bikini and there wouldn’t be a need for a model division? But yes, everyone involved will make more money, and that’s the point 😅👏👏🙂
Also, is he really that delusional when he says “bikini division isn’t that big in person” 😂😅😅most of these top bikini pros have been on harsh gear for years to get to the level they are at. Who is he fooling? Himself? I think they need to admit that it’s getting out of hand and this is why they are introducing a new division
Boring nobody gives af about natural bodybuilding or the model division 🥱 they really want to faze out open bodybuilding. Now we have to wait even longer for the big guys to get on stage.
Maybe they should keep receding hairlines, dense tie-ins, manly calves and jawlines away from bikini and there wouldn’t be a need for a model division? But yes, everyone involved will make more money, and that’s the point 😅👏👏🙂
"basically we just wanted to make sure we had a way to make more money to make up for that prize increase "
I'm sorry but what a mess. The IFBB let divisions get completely out of control, and then have to introduce a new division to turn back the clock and undo their mistakes. Classic started when men's open turned into a mess of turtle-shell stomachs, physique came because women's bodybuilding got crazy etc etc.
For me, the standard for this new division should be peak Amanda Latona, back when bikini first started, but bikini has become too lean and stringy, a skeleton with glutes, so now they need a new 'healthier' looking division... Again. Will it ever end?
Also, why do we need to "find a division to let EVERYONE compete and have the chance to become an IFBB pro"? These pro comps should be the aspirational pinnacle of physique development but we already see girls train for 6 months and get a bikini pro card, so this new division will be giving out pro cards like confetti because the bar of entry will be so low. It absolutely destroys the integrity of competition but it's a nice money-spinner for the IFBB though... Right?
Good luck to anyone going to shows next year and sitting through a thousand competitors. I would say please don't introduce a men's 'fit' division but they 100% will because men's physique guys are getting as big as classic guys... And so it goes on.
Bodybuilding is a business now. Not just a sport.
I just dont know why they cant return bikini to this judging standard. This is exactly why bikini came out (actually this is why figure started too). The judges keep rewarding masculine women. If they just keep to their own judging rules they wouldnt need to add more divisions.
and what about the actual bikini women? Should they do figure?
@ they could, or wellness or they can tone it down like lauralie did this year. The judges are the ones rewarding more muscularity and dryness, had they kept the standard the same as they did in the begining bikini would be way more popular. It has lost a lot of its luster since Janet Layug retired. The question that should be asked is what will happen to bikini once fit model goes big?
They honestly don’t reward masculine women. Muscle? Yes. But ALL the divisions have evolved. There are a lot of bikini girls competing to the standards that the IFBB/NPC want. Not fair that they would have to change further in the way you want them to. It’s like reverse bodybuilding lol. This new division is for newer girls
@ it was the standard for bikini when it started it is about what “I” or anyone else wants it about keeping standards that the IFBB created for the division. Also the whole problem is they been rewarding masculine (facial masculinization) which should never have happened because of the original guidelines of the bikini division.
@@mrcliche1025yes! You can clearly see pro level bikini athlete faces morph. Lots of hard work, sure but the pressure to keep advancing is pushing the large majority to take PEDs
Just what they need 37 women's divisions.
From a business perspective I totally agree with Tyler's point, but this division IS NOT bodybuilding, this is an other beauty contest like all the other ones that already exist on media mainstream. Do these girls should even lift ?^^
Apparently they will still require muscle that can be acquired is 2-3 years natural rather than 5-10 with PEDs
100%
It is bodybuilding, and women will have to train and build their bodies for this division, and they will be doing it in a natural way and it will be the most feminine look according to many. Bodybuilding is not only about men and anabolics
This is also bodybuilding and this division has already existed and the girls trained for it specifically, however they could do it in a more natural way without harming themselves and losing periods. Bodybuilding isn't only about men and steroids
@yuliaz4397 agreed, but I'm wondering what will be the judging criteria, because let's be honest, the less muscle they have, the harder it is to distinguish which competitor is better than the other. In the end, I fear that this divison will be just a beauty contest full of controversy in the athlete ranking
The way this is going, the men's open at the Olympia will take place around 3-4am. However, from a money making standpoint, this is the right move, especially since other federations around the world have been doing these model divisions for 10+ years now with great success.
The lowest barrier to entry should be all the natural shows coming to the NPC. If the Fit Model is actually going to be a thing it should be NPC only. Never IFBB Pro and certainly never on the Olympia stage.
Fact
Wholeheartedly agree
Yes …and why didn’t they do a men’s equivalent division?! Because they know women will flood this category and they want the money
Retired Hany pumping out the podcasts!!!! 💪
Why don't we make an equivalent no effort division for men like “dad bod” or something?
Thick boy classic 😂😅
Hahahahaha agree
Please the way I cackled 😂
We should wait to see how this plays out. The IFBB has their reasons for adding this division, and we can either respect how they run their shows or choose another to compete in. Giving more people a chance to step into the industry is never a bad thing. Anyone with negative opinions about offering opportunities in fitness or any sport should rethink their place in this community-it’s about growth and inclusion.
I really want hany to talk about his early years and bodybuilding through his eyes and talk about his start in detail I’m a huge fan but I don’t know much about his early career to be someone as awesome as he is at coaching that must come from grinding all those years wanna hear about that one day would be awesome Mr rambod 😁
Take a shot every time you hear Tyler say the words, “ and everything like that”
It’s a sport… to be able to say you are a bodybuilder means something. Adding in a division that is less muscular, less conditioned feels like a slap in the face to people who are and have been grinding to be able to say they’re BODYBUILDERS.
EXACTLY!!!
But this division has already existed! And it wasn't considered a slap in the face. Now that everybody is out of control with steroids and basically harming themselves, they have to stop it! They absolutely need to reintroduce more natural looks where the girls don't lose periods, next step should be similar division for guys. And they will still be training hard!
👌💯💯💯This is amazing, the art of bodybuilding growth is so wonderful. Awesome podcast 🙏
I don't know what's reason behind making 100 divisions !! It just makes the competition too long and boring
As is now, as an amateur bikini competitor we don't get time to pose. I participated in a couple of shows this years that we did not go to finals as they were running late. We pay a price to compete in prejudging and finals and not to be able to even attend finals? The money is not the issue, is the time, effort and sacrifice spent preparing for the show to be in that nonsense position?! That is piss poor planning on their end but I pay the price for overbooking and not having enough time for what was paid? Tisk tisk tisk
If natural contests continue to grow at a tremendous rate then I could see a Naturals Olympia one day 😊
Thanks for the upload Hany. Hope retirement is going well and you’re enjoying time with your family 💪🏼 👍🏼
I am so excited to see how this new division turns out 🤩🍿 IFBB Pro League does it bigger and better every single year!!! 🎉
Please post example of what modest/moderate coverage. It is very vague
Why would we need a division for the average gym goer, and the fact there are pro cards in this division … makes no sense
awesome for Tyler to come on the pod cast
1:07:06 Matheus Menegate o futuro campeão 🏆🇧🇷🔥
the participation division 😂
Thanks for this interview
Great interview ❤
This is also the only industry I know of where the general public almost has direct access to their favorite athletes via socials gues posing
Meet and greets
New division is what bikini should be without anavar, primo and test. It will end up being the same thing where they start taking stuff and getting too cut, capped shoulders, huge glutes.
Tyler laughing all the way to the bank with this one, good for him, that’s business
They should allow for a better suit for the new division, the Walmart style bikini isn’t nice nor flattering. Please change this.
Are there any female competitors in Iran?
Tons of em. It's a real shame bc of how backwards things are over there, not to mention the rising political tensions between the west and Iran. Regardless of how I feel about Iran as a country, it's a real shame not just for the many talented male and female bodybuilders from there, but also the iranian people who are just like us
Wouldn’t judging down the existing competitors for being too big or too defined be a better way than creating a new division?
Let’s Go Hany👑👑👑👑👑👑👑
We are already fed up with too many divisions.
Womes should just have one category, Bikini
Rest all use heellll amount of stuff to look manly
Watered down version of inclusive bs going on everywhere’s else . Okay give em a lane, but not in the pro. Make that their stepping stone to maybe the pros if they want/can. Don’t mix the two. Young guy knows a thing or two but buddy don’t try and reinvent the wheel. Guys already risking their year long package cause of your timing games. Let alone the disco lights and billboard backdrop . The Olympia and any show that qualifies for the O should be for pros and tbh the bikini can go to this league and stay there considering the close relation to this new “category.” No one wants to pay damn good money to sit for hours and watch I’m sorry but a piggyback. Open classic212 mp women’s figure and open would be carrying this new class and bikini like it has been. And guess what men’s open and classic got women’s piggy backin off it just like the wnba does to the nba…. Stop making your cash cows suffer so everyone can get a trophy and participate .
IDK how to feel about this as I have yet to compete in a show but what I don’t want is long long waits backstage and no time on stage. If that’s what’s going to happen I’ll pass.
Guys on TRT can’t compete with guys running cycles 10x TRT doses. Guys on TRT can’t compete naturally. Guys on TRT need a way to compete.
زنده باشی جناب رامبد❤
mickey mouse division 😭😭😭
HANY THE CREAM PIE KING
This "new division" is DEI for the fitness/bodybuilding industry. Apparently, they think ANY female can build and maintain enough sculpted muscle mass with shredded definition, separation and vascularity by using natural strength/power. It's insulting to the FEW women who actually have the inherent talent to achieve that aesthetic, strength and fitness level. That's why I've only truly admired the fitness category competitors; they're gymnasts, acrobats, dancers, etc. performing with a physique division's body.
At the same time, ONLY BLOOD TESTS can prove natty status. The standard urine tests, and all the loopholes, PROVE NOTHING. We ALL know some women who've been on growth hormones and illegal fat burners and they didn't look like they were on ANYTHING (local gym members and pro entertainers alike).
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RAISE MENS PHYSIQUE PRIZE MONEY!
I've read so much hate comments on other channels I'm actually glad that this division is being made.
Only there was males natural fitness, it would make me hungry to start training again.
I had a stroke two years ago because genetic in my family and this is why I didn't take steroids but I still had a stroke bad luck right but I have worked harder than anyone else I have trained out with that has taken gear .
To all those haters just work harder😂❤
Show Man in my videos I've just put up he might be impressed I'm 69 kg vascular and shredded with striations but it has probably taken me six years of hard training to only gain 5 kg of muscle and that's a work ethic
LFG!
This division needs to be banned
Looks like this division will look like bikini in the past. Bikini also had resistance , and people ended up loving it. Idk. A have mix feelings. We will see
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You can send NPC judges to Iran , they dnt have any problem with it , plz dnt make an excuse
I thought this guy was old as shit the way everyone is talking about him on other podcasts and in the industry
His grandfather started it. It’s a family business
He was mentored by Jim since he was a child. So although he's young it's not like he started yesterday.
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This kids to not be In his position in BBing he has no idea
plzz open Hindi Language I can't understand hat U saying
The ifbb just takes coach gregs ideas they have no original ideas themselves
Natural bodybuilding? Why are we going backwards/ who’s buying tickets to that outside of competitors friends and family
Their is a world beyond your mind friend... 💙😉
Alot would
@@mdsaad8711 yes. I’ve competed in 7 naturals shows. Snooze fest and someone is always trying to cheat.
@@mdsaad8711 I’ve competed in 7 natural shows and have trained clients for 5. Tell me more about the world of natural bodybuilding please! Snooze fest if you’re not the one competing. Your opinion is always welcomed buddy ol pal.
Money
Maybe they should keep receding hairlines, dense tie-ins, manly calves and jawlines away from bikini and there wouldn’t be a need for a model division? But yes, everyone involved will make more money, and that’s the point 😅👏👏🙂
Also, is he really that delusional when he says “bikini division isn’t that big in person” 😂😅😅most of these top bikini pros have been on harsh gear for years to get to the level they are at. Who is he fooling? Himself? I think they need to admit that it’s getting out of hand and this is why they are introducing a new division
Boring nobody gives af about natural bodybuilding or the model division 🥱 they really want to faze out open bodybuilding. Now we have to wait even longer for the big guys to get on stage.
Natural bodybuilding is massive
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Maybe they should keep receding hairlines, dense tie-ins, manly calves and jawlines away from bikini and there wouldn’t be a need for a model division? But yes, everyone involved will make more money, and that’s the point 😅👏👏🙂