Five Reasons Porsche Is Superior To Ferrari (But Do You Agree?)
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It’s the old saying “ Ferrari owners are proud about how few miles their car has done,
Porsche owners boast about how many miles their car has covered “ 😂😂
strong statement that sums it all up.
Very true, I bought a low mileage one and soon regretted it when I started seeing people with perfect examples far exceeding 100k miles😂
The whole concept of owning a car and then driving it as little as possible seems bizarre to me.
Unfortunately many a GT3 nowadays suffers the same fate.
@@tbasmwmc Yes, you're right, it's like working hard to have loads of money in the bank and never spending it to enjoy it, what's the point? I owned a Cayman as a daily for 10 years and I never worried about putting miles on the clock, it still drove and looked great till the sad day I sold it. I enjoyed every second of my ownership, best car I ever owned and probably ever will.
I’ve had 2 Ferraris, currently on my third Porsche (964). The Ferraris definitely get more attention, but good luck finding spares for anything over 15-20 years old. Porsche in contrast was able to order two new air cleaners for my 1956 356A - and they were exact matches to the original. Porsche seems committed to keeping its classic cars on the road forever. It’s part of the 911’s claim to be the best sports car ever made.
Porsche even offers upgraded radios for 930 turbos with Bluetooth and all that jazz, which fit right into the car without looking out of place like a cheap kennerton unit.
You gotta appreciate their commitment.
I’m a lifetime Porsche 911 freak- literally made the firm decision I’d own a 911 turbo when I was 16 yrs old (61 now)- my life goal became become financially secure enough to buy one- and I did at age 50. I’m now into a gt3 and - every time I get the itch to update I look at Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren. And then I go back to the Porsche dealer. Bottom line reasons: reliability, quality, timeless design, manual transmission, windshields you can see out of, and the ability to throw the car around at high revs endlessly with no fear of hurting the car.
Congrats on your success, this makes me smile!
Thought you would have made enough money with the rolling stones to get into a Porsche a bit sooner 😂
we sound like we are separated at birth... Now on my second 911,
My story is very similar to yours (albeit I’m 39), my dad is a lifelong Porschephile and my first car in HS was a guards red 1985 944, and being a poor student I could afford the $3500 price tag but not the upkeep, and thus took a summer job for a local Porsche master mechanic. He took me on a ride in a 911 Turbo, and I didn’t know a car could push you in your seat like that! Hooked! …and 23 years later I made my dream of owning a 911 come true with my 992 GTS!
I’d like to invite you to drive my 488 so that you can realise how far Ferrari have come along with daily drivability and reliability.
the head says porsche
the heart says ferrari
the bank balance says volvo
volvo it is
Imo volvo have been quietly producing the best looking cars on the road for a while, just as the estate car dies they have perfected it
@@alexjaybradythe V90 is gorgeous!
Good choice, the old ones will last forever.
Nothing wrong with a Volvo. Good cars
@@timprice5 Its sad they've stopped selling it here in the UK tbh
Excellent film. The 911 - in all of its incarnations - is probably the most potentially rewarding car ever built. It requires a driver to understand, manage and utilise weight transfer to his or her advantage. It demands high levels of ability along with multiple skill sets to extract its performance. When you get it right, there is no more rewarding experience on 4 wheels. After Literally 1000’s of track day, test and race laps in 911’s, l still learn a little more each time that I strap myself into the driver’s seat. The 911 is a rubix cube of a car that never stops giving, no matter how skilled the driver is. In my opinion, it is a masterpiece of engineering
The main thing that pushed me towards Porsche over a Ferrari is having a service center in town instead of having to drive to the next state. I also appreciate that Porsche still puts manuals in new cars. My Carrera T is due to be delivered next month.
When it comes to maintenance costs and daily practicality you are right! But Ferrari provides just more emotional and design shape rewards.
They also offer stick to this day on Caymans and 911 atleast while Ferrari and Lamborghini threw true petrol heads by the wayside just to increasingly focus on rich status buying a-holes, who dont know how to drive and care only about specs and how easy to drive it is...
@@Kacpa2 It just amazes me that this is what you deduce from the video. Namely labeling those who prefer a modern day automatic like Richard Hammond a fake petrol head.
@Kacpa2 Ah such ignorance. Stop for a moment and ask yourself why so many high performance cars and highly skilled drivers choose to drive the two pedal cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren and yes, Porsche. They aren't automatics, BTW, they robotised manuals, with clutches and a manual gearbox. And why so many racecars use similar gearboxes. I am a lifelong car nut, a former racer and love my DSG car. I would not go back to an inferior manual.
@@declanpower2924 Becuase this segment started to focus solely about specsheets and acceleration/track times.
For actual enjoyable drivinf experience its not good at all. We lost moderate power manual higher end weekend toys from all those brands with extra crazier examples like Diablo or F355 at the top.
Same goes for gran touring cwrs like F456GT. World is all the poorer for lack choice caused by catering to track abd clout crowd.
I am fed up with people defending this as its moronic you just defend people not having a choice when all thise brands should offer manuals even if just for sake of very few wealthy enough enthusiasts who will choose driving experience over gloating how fast and expensive their car is.
@@jkliao6486 He is mellowing with age and after so many accidents probably preffers to drive automatic. I dont mean people like him either way, but majority of celebrities, "socialites" and social media/rich youtuber crowds who just buy it for clout and bling.
They reduce what used to be peak of enthusiast sportscar ladder into a stupid accessory or asset for "investment".
And all of them dont care abour driving experience or engaging with the car. They will nwver drive it to its limit or drive it period as it would reduce its value.
Its a far cry from old 911s, F355 and pretty much any older sports car no matter of its place on the pecking order from Celicas to Ferraris, we lost fun and truly engaging cars.
What we have left is mediocre at best due to part sharing like Gr86, cars with awful feel-less clutches, shifters, awful sounding turbo engines in case of all "hothatches" and electrobic powersteering and throttle that robbed enthusiasts of feel that was gauranteed even in many mkre pedestrain non-sportscar vehicles in 90s and prior.
Its a tragedy that there are so few cars left that give driver proper feedback and feel while still offering 3 pedals executed well, its literarily just 911 and Cayman, or boutique handbuilt cars lile caterham.
Three time Boxster/Cayman owner here - for me, these cars hit the Goldilocks zone for performance and handling value per dollar.
Yes especially the Boxters/Caymans. Cannot believe how much the market has slept on them while 911s skyrocketed
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I bought a 981 2.7 Boxster manual. Had a lightened flywheel fitted along with GT3 slave cylinder and Cup 2's. It's mega. Spins up fast, sounds incredible and the handling is sublime. I've driven F12's, 458's, 911's and they can have too much power. If you can get over the macho effect, they are the best value money car you can buy if you want a driver focused experience.
could you give me a link for the parts ? :)
Cayman here! New to me 987.1 stock so far except suspension. To the gentleman needing a link for parts, use your search engine!
You @MM-xr6tz are a smart man🏎
718 Cayman GTS 4.0 owner.
I smile when I see her and I smile when I drive her, which is daily here in Northern California.
Though I’ve been looking at a 992 GTS recently
As a 911 4S (for winter) and 911 Turbo owner using them for daily driving and road trips, I really appretiate what these cars bring to every single drive. Driving them for over a decade and having pilled on over almost 1/2 a million kilometers ... I can say I seen the best and worst of owning these cars. I think the important part is really doing things for yourself (who cares about what others think ...)
All I can say is, these cars can run you a significant bill for maintenance, but they will keep on giving you great adventures and memories ... on top of the daily grins for decades. I see it as an investment in happiness.
I hope we get another video next week “why Porsche and Ferrari arent as good as you think”
After having the Ferrari video last week 😂
"Why you should ignore both of them and just buy a Hyundai" 😁
@@ApothecaryTerry Dacia
@@hoodwinker7932 I can already hear James May's 'Good news' in my head haha. Lovely.
James, you have become one of the best if not the best car UA-camr there is! Thoroughly enjoy almost every video of yours. Just wanted to leave that here. Wishing you the very best from the land of cars (Germany)! ;)
He is defo but but the best is Harry, sorry jay
@@Danny1282Hard to make a comparison really.
@@Danny1282 What about Driver 81 !!!! 😂😂😂
@@manix2796 Sorry, am I missing something here?
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" BMW E39 5 Series Airbag Light Reset"........................... The same fellow has at least 10 other UA-cam channels, created over a 10 year stretch!!! around 9,000 videos in total.
I'd argue a Porsche is "the best car" you car you can actually use, i.e. go where you have to go, and park where you have to park.
"From the school run to the Nurburgring ring" - that's a great line!
Except it's not true. When my friend's almost-new GT2's lower wishbone snapped at Spa, Porsche denied that the GT2 (!) was track-capable.
Had a 981 Cayman S, one of the most underrated affordable sports cars IMO. Absolutely loved it, but got the chance to own a 991.1 Carrera S and it is a fantastic all round car. Perfect combination of a 100% useable daily driver and a proper sports car (the sports exhaust is one of the most intoxicating sounds ever!). It for sure gets looks when the sports exhaust is on, but not sure whether they are good or bad!
I’ve wanted a 911 since I first saw an early Targa back when I was a kid in the early 70s. I’ve had a succession of Alfas, BMWs and more recently Audi RS Cars, the last one being my second RS6. I swapped it for a 991.1 Carrera 4S in September, and can honestly say I’m totally hooked. I daily drive it all over London and the South East and it put a smile on my face as it’s such a great place to be. I’m already planning an upgrade or maybe even a classic, but can’t see my life ever being without a 911 in it.
Every mention of 991.2-generation 911 always gave me goosebumps. Mention 991.2 GT3 or Speedster, I'd be weak on the knee. A shotgun ride in a 992 GT3 around Sentul Circuit in Indonesia basically ruined other cars for me. I couldn't believe something road legal can take such abuse on racetrack without even breaking a sweat. Probably wasn't an exaggeration when they say 'Porsche, there is no substitute'.
991.2 GTS purchased in part after your review. Really glad I did . Never fails to put a smile on my face. Both when I walk into the garage and on the road. Actually like my dealer. When I consider the brief flirtations I had with other sport cars at the time I realize that the things that I love about this car are the product of the evolutionary improvement of a great idea in the first place. Open comfortable cabin, great driver position , great ergonomics and view out , lovingly balanced sensorium between stirring sound track and ability to complete a 750km drive and still be enjoying the experience at the end all make this a car that I will keep and use. Did I mention the utter unflappability of the chassis despite the remarkable power on tap and the recurrent question that I ask myself as to how can the shifter feel on the 7 speed be so good in a car where the linkages have to be so long ? I guess there really is some Porsche magic.
I agree...my dad has a 2014 boxster gts and after driving a 430 he said within minutes he preferred his porsche which brought me to the channel when he was buying it👍
I’ve always had a strange relationship with the idea of something being rare making it special and therefore being common making it somehow lesser. I love my Cayman and wish more people owned them, I tell people all the time how much fun it is.
Back when I owned my Mk6 GTI it was an amazingly common car in Australia (the GTI was the best selling Golf model), and nothing about that made it less special seeing them around all the time.
Also, in the thus far 3 years of owning my 2010 987, I taken it from only 55,000km to now 111,000km and have loved every damn moment of it.
Edit: there’s a comment down below asking what you would rather been seen in, and that’s exactly what I don’t get. Why do anything for someone else?
This is exactly my thinking. I have a 2006 Boxster S 3.2, and for the money I can't think of anything else that offers the character, performance and handling and value all in one handy package.
Will a 911 be quicker? Yes, but for an additional £15k for a similarly aged car.
Do I care what others think of it being the 'poor mans' porsche. Not one bit. It's a stunning car for very little money
It works the other way too. I own a Z4 coupe, which are rather rare, but nobody cares because it's just a z4 (despite feeling totally different to the convertibles). They're really cheap and good value but nobody wants them.
Oh well, more for me I guess.
@@darkchild130these cars that are still fairly common but special to a lot of people are the ones you want to hold onto. Z4 Coupe / 987 Cayman are fantastic examples. They may never be worth £100k+ but they’re always going to be respected and desirable to those in the know
Totally agree, although having said that, my Alpine is fairly rare on UK roads and seems to attract all sorts of attention. The fact that is is a hoot to drive though is the main point.
And the best part is you won’t care for any depreciation in value and you will drive it to your hearts content because you can afford to drive one of the best cars in the business of being sporty!
I prefer cheese and onion crisps over salt and vinegar
Considered commenting on the previous video. But decided against it as I’ve never actually driven a Ferrari.
I would say though that I’ve been to many car events and everyone pretty much was cool regardless of what they were driving.
I’ve driven a Carrera GT by the way and it’s an amazing experience. The clutch takes some getting use to but once you do it’s outstanding (except in traffic).
And these videos are much better when you’re driving FWIW.
Got a 986 Boxster S like the one in the video, Love it and the goal is to eventually have a 996/997 C4 parked next to it for all weather usability
On my second 992 and the only thing I lust after is another one. Best car I’ve owned by a million miles
I was suspicious of owning a porsche but two years in and it is hard to see myself drive any other brand
Porsches are the only real high end sports cars you can drive daily.
Anything else is just for show!
Can’t wait to get another one. Sold my 2007 Boxster S a few months ago and regret it every single day.
Porsche were voted in a manufacturer's only poll as the best engineered make of them all.
Lamborghini, Mercedes et al almost certainly voted for them.... case rested.
Incidentally, i own a twin turbo'd 987 3.4S with 477bhp - it never fails to make me smile. 😁
Good pair of videos, definitely Porsche for me..the real world cost of maintaining a Ferrari is terrifying ! 😄
The fact that Jay only needed about 20 minutes over 32 minutes Ferrari video says a lot!
Have a great Christmas, James -- thank you for another wonderful year
Like yourself, I've owned both. By 2020 I'd owned 6 Porsches of all descriptions including 991.2 C2S to a Cayenne S diesel, before deciding to dip my toe into Ferrari ownership (California T, quickly followed by a 11k miler 2015 F12). The love affair with the F12 sadly didn't last long before things started failing.. A defective flappy paddle module was detected during a routine inspection after just 3 months of ownership.. I didn't notice any issues using the paddles at the time and it was a total surprise to me, but that'll be £3500 thank you.. Not covered under their New Power warranty. Then it would drop out of gear with no warning.. which meant it spent 20% of the time I had it at the dealer. I still managed 3.5k miles in the year I had it though. I'm experienced enough to know that things can and do go wrong with cars and some are luckier than others, but there is a definite air of fragility about Ferrari. I still lust after a Ferrari, but I've been spoiled by Porsche reliability and usability. I recently purchased a low mileage used Macan Turbo as a daily which is brilliant, and am currently waiting for a 992 GT3 Touring to arrive in January. Will the GT3 feel as 'special' as the F12? No... but I'll be able to use it with a greater degree of confidence.
Lucky you have the money.
I’d personally say that I don’t know about the GT3 not being as special as the F12. Sure, the F12 has that arousingly soul-stirring V12, but a F6 full tilt at 9k RPMs is a thing of flaring specialty and joy.
@@rahulmandala4930 it's the theatre..the sense of occasion, and as a place to sit, the F12 is just on another level. An F12 on song is unlike anything else. I am hoping the GT3 gets close. My recently departed Huracan EVO rwd made an incredible noise too, but it wasn't a match for the F12.
@@lesleyfernandez636 Or the right job!! Check out this Porsche owners shenanigans lol
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First saw 911 in a club meeting at Brands Hatch 1968. Air cooled. As we left Brands saw another leaving rip up the road as it left. Dream car, with the German engineering reputation. Had to wait until now to get a 992.... Dream becomes reality. 👍
On my 10th 911 in 20 years, all have been awesome.
Porsche and Ferrari do manufacture cars that nobody needs but we all would like to own and drive. Each brand has its pro and cons. At the end of the day it comes up to the budget available and of course the taste for cars. On top there are many more brands that supply the same level of excitement on 4 wheels. I think we can discuss endlessly about this subject. But thank you for sharing your thoughts. 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊🇩🇪
Great job as usual Jay. Keep em coming.
Current 296 GTB owner and its a fabulous car, but I have owned a lot of Porsche sports cars and nothing beats the driver engagement of my 991.2 GT3 RS, a stupendous car with an amazing engine. Equally from real world fun factor and practicality hard to go past my 981 Cayman GTS, so good at everything with a wonderful soundtrack and right sized for most roads. Porsche build cars to be driven Ferrari build cars to be looked at.
986 boxster with a hardtop looks brill. At £5k I miss mine!
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Porsche has yet more advantages: 1) If you'd prefer to minimize attention (cops, thieves, neighbors), there are Porsche models/colors that blend in. 2) I live in Denver, so my 997.2tt's AWD+PSM with Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4's deals well with occasional snow/ice. 3) Porsche has more aftermarket tuning options. 4) There's a crowd of web contributors, and we can google answers. 5) Porsches generally provide better outward vision, which provides confidence.
As always fun content!
Nothing unfriendly from me. Thoroughly enjoyed this, Jay. I am in the midst of covid and all I want to do is get in my RS-60 and drive. Certainly don't have any interest getting in my wife's Altima, for sure. Before this Boxster I entered the Porsche circle with a 986.1 and was hooked. The $10,000 price was a great entry, but a few thousand dollars more was necessary to bring it up to snuff. More recently I had service on the 987.1 and asked to drive a 992 Carrrera S. That was a profound experience. Maybe too much power for this old man, but it sure was intoxicating.
Quite the emotional roller coaster you have put us on! Ha! I commented on the ‘Why Ferrari is Better’ video that you had really brought up some points that made me think! Porsche is ‘my brand.’ I have been so close to buying a few different ones. An ‘01 911 back 9 years ago. A few years ago, I drove each generation of the Boxster and loved them all! Even…gasp…the PDK 2015…. I test drove an ‘11 Cayenne right around when you bought yours. And in the last two weeks the 2019 Macan S. You have described the Porsche brand perfectly. It holds a position between the mainstream and the exotic. It’s accessible to a lot of people with varied price points and delivers an experience at each level. I do want to drive a Panamera but now I am a little less excited…but I knew I was going to feel that way already, if I’m being honest. James, thank you again for these videos!
Buy a Porsche, life is short
Terrific video sir.
It’s hard to really pick one Porsche that would be my favorite. But a couple that stand out are the air cooled 20:01 964, GT3RS, and probably something not 911 would be a GT4RS.
But to be fair, I’d love to own almost any of the 911’s
I think that having a car that doesn’t live in the repair 👨🔧 shop is the better choice lol trying to get my first Porsche one day but hopefully 🤞 my high mileage Audi tt mk2 vr6 will hold up till then 😊
If you were to ask my to go out and buy a brand new sports car now, I would go straight to the nearest Porsche dealership and buy a cayman gt4 or 911 of some form, but ask me to do the same for a car made between around 2000-2010 and I would go straight to the prancing horse. Ever since pininfarina left Ferrari, the new models have all left me somewhat cold
Great video James
981 GTS = the sweet spot
100% agree! Although if you include cost, I'd say a 981S perhaps beats it - especially since I honestly prefer them without the sports exhaust, the tone is much nicer. I'm also not sure PASM actually improves the car either. Very much nitpicking and semantics though, either an S or GTS is perfect Porsche for me. With less tyre noise, perhaps the perfect car...
I've driven a 997 AWD and an F430 albeit on tracks. 997 could be a daily driver, F430 for weekends. 🥰🥰🥰
I tend to do galactic mileages so that balance would work for me. My actual daily driver is a Seat Leon 😂😂😂
Nowt wrong with the Leon. I've got a Porsche Boxster S and a B6 VW Passat estate with a diesel engine!
Both have their place. Tip run or long journey? Passat. Fun drive to work? Porsche.
Personally I thought the F430 is surprisingly comfortable, saying that as a 2009 Mondeo owner at 6'4 height. A 2019 Fiesta ST-Line I drove before as a company car was significantly more "back breaking" on the Autobahn at 170 kph as the Ferrari at 170 mph.
I haven't really tried a 997 yet (I have an order to drive a 997.1 GT3) but I don't think they're way better to daily unless you have kids or for fuel economy
My First Porsche was in 94 with a new 928 GTS 4.. and after 80k glorious miles the 928 was replaced in 97 with a new 993 C4S, had a love-hate relationship coming from the ultimate lazy tourer 928 and missing the power, changed in 2001 to a 996 Turbo, soon realised this was a license looser with every turn of the key...started a new business so something had to go...after many years in various MB, in 2012 got a 991 C4S, then a 991.2 GTS..to my present 992 GTS C4...The best thing in all those ownerships, not a single problem apart from the rising Main dealer servicing costs. I will continue to buy Porsches till my licence is taken away.
I owned several Porsches 986 2.7 (RMS leak), 987 Cayman 3.4S (bore scoring), 997.1 3.8 (bore scoring) and a Cayenne diesel (coolant leak). Back in 2017 bought a California T (3.9) and traded it in last summer for a Portofino. In the Ferrari's I really feel driving something special again. That feeling was a bit lost with the Porsches.
Average new Ferrari is resold within a year. They’re toys you take out once in a while.
But every Porsche, even the GT’s can be street driven daily and maintained easily for at least 20,000 mile intervals.
My 9A1 engined Boxster has a lifetime timing chain and drive axles that last at least 100,000 miles. The rest is all minor and relatively inexpensive if you can turn a wrench and watch a YT video.
There are owners on forums reporting tracking their Porsches regularly with as much as 150,000 miles on them with no major problems. These cars are built to take it over the long haul.
I mostly stick to Porsche because the Porsche Club of America is really good and completely independent of the Porsche company. They hold some of the best driving events around for every level of driver.
I can race autocross with Porsches at the local airport, drive my 981 Cayman S around Laguna Seca safely with an instructor or even buy or build a track car and go wheel to wheel racing in their national level club racing series.
They offer support and a clear pathway for drivers trying to graduate to each level. Most other car clubs have a much narrower focus.
I’ve owned three 911’s: a 993 cab, a 997.1S, and a 997.2 GTS. All great in their own way. I’ve owned a tip, a 6 speed manual and a PDK. I miss each for different reasons. Is a GT3 Touring next? I hope so.
Hi James!
I've watched both the Ferrari and this Porsche video and I have to say I generally agree with you on almost everything! HOWEVER I did notice one thing that differentiates the two videos, and that's the enthusiasm!
In the Ferrari video I could feel it just by the tone of voice that you were much more excited to talk about that if compared to this one! Generally speaking Ferrari still makes you feel like a child in front of a long awaited toy whereas Porsche - that I LOVE btw - simply doesn't!
Great videos,
Greetings from Italy
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Grazie Mille :)
It’s funny if not unsurprising, my head nods to this video while my heart pounds watching the Ferrari video.
Solid Publix shout out, Jay!
Yet another great vid . Personally I think the Carrera GT is one of the best looking cars ever produced . I hope yoy can get your hands on one to film , that would be just fantastic . 👊
In a perfect world we all would have huge bank balance and have one each... But it's rarely like that...
I own a 911 c2s (997) and it really is a fantastic car to drive... I can't say i have ever been drawn to owning a Ferrari whilst i had this dream of having a 911 for a very long time, as back as being 9 or 10 years old, when i went into a 911 (930) turbo targa one afternoon up a mountain in the Alsace region (France). The way the car overtook 6 cars going up the mountain as if they were standing still and the sheer acceleration thrilled me to bits. I can still remember the feeling now, age 47.5... In December 2022 that dream became reality and i don't regret it... I will be a Porsche fan forever... 😎♥️🎉
I’ve owned my 996 for ten years and it’s a fantastic car , I work at a Porsche approved body shop and my car gets the best work possible and it looks like new and I have fantastic memories as I’ve taken it to Le Mans twice now including this year for the 100th anniversary so I won’t be parting with her ever now
The styling of the 911 is a thing of beauty, every time I get out of mine I always look back at it , I absolutely love it
And I just see a slightly more aerodynamic beetle. 911 is the reason I don't like Porsche, I suppose it was OK when it came out but design didn't evolve at Porsche at all since 1963 - virtually all cars they made since then are a 911 or made to look like a 911. The only Porsche I would ever even consider owning is the 928.
@@marcelhannover3 that’s cold 🥶!!
@@marcelhannover3 this is coming from a guy that drives a fucking Citroen , get a grip dude 😂😂😂
@@marcelhannover3I don't hate the 911, but they are pretty boring and repetitive. So I do agree with you there. They should have been the entry level Porsche from the get go. The 928 was the first real mature road car they made, that's how I see it.
@@chesswizard31 fair enough
For me it's a combination of A) The price of entry and (more importantly) ownership, B) The fact that I can park it on the street and it will generally be appreciated rather than keyed, and C) (which you alluded to, and which I think is underappreciated), the fact that you are likely to be able to buy *exactly* the car you want on the used market without waiting years for it to turn up. I might add D) Not looking like a dreadful showoff, but that's in the eye of the beholder, of course.
I agree with your assessment of vehicle dynamics between the Panamera and the Cayenne. On paper, I would choose the Panamera but good thing I test drove both and now I prefer the Cayenne. I think the reason I prefer Porsche over Ferrari is the cost but also the use ability : any Porsche is a car and should be able to do normal stuff without breaking down all the time.
I remember lusting after Ferrari 308 watching Magnum PI, then the first time actually physically checking out an actual 308....build quality was crap compared to my BMW 2002
Ferrari F430 in 2008 was last manual stick shift. Califirnia is DCT only at least in USA models.
Loved the two episodes... more please.
ah enjoyed that, also enjoyed the Ferrari video. But my heart is with porsche, the practical reasons do give it an advantage BUT its the ballet dancer ability it has to scythe through direction changes and makes it such a pleasure to drive.
Absolutely, my dream top 10 cars features no Ferraris (ok maybe one of the 60s ones in dark blue) and several Porsche 911s.
I have a 991 C2S that I bought 8 years ago. 115000 KM on it now. No issues. I also track it all the time. I have several other cars, but the 911 is such a great go to sports car for doing just about anything
I have been a Porsche nut since grammar school which was fostered by walking past the local Porsche dealership twice each day for 12 years. Seeing the latest cars in the lot out front and in the showroom ignited a passion that has only grown stronger over time. I’m 64 now and have owned many Porsches and other brands as well including Ferrari. But now I only own Porsches (with the exception of a Cadillac CT5 Blackwing 😜). The simple reason is because Porsche, for the most part, still puts function before form and the result is sheer driving nirvana!
The lengthy waiting list put my dad off buying a 355, so he ordered a 996 C4 cabrio with Nephrite green interior and full aero kit. We adored that car so much, it soon got a little sister, a pink 986 Boxster S. I would agree that Porsche is superior in many ways, most notably their colour choices and after sales service. Need a part from the 90’s, no problem! They have dedicated catalogues for classic model parts, which Ferrari doesn’t. Porsche are owner friendly cars and like an old Volvo or Merc, all built to last.
The 911 was my childhood pinup always loved them and I said I’ll own one day and now I do 1.5 years into owning the 997 c4S with aero kit I’m so much in love with it’s driving dynamics I thought of selling it for an exotic car (not that Iv owned in the past but Iv had r.8 v10 plus)and this is the first time I said to myself nah, I like it so much never have shown such need for keeping I think the Porsche guys know what I mean , it’s one of those cars grab you by your emotions and knowing the many decades legacy that is Porsche. I’ll probably keep it and pass it down the generations
Great video. I’ll add this: nothing drives better at 7/10th or higher than a Porsche track car. Some cars accelerate faster, are flashier, but I can never get a giant smile off my face when I get into it. Currently own a 991.2 GT2RS and a 992 GT3 MR (Manthey) manual. Both are absolutely brilliant to drive. Whether it’s the GT3 in the right half of the tach or the GT2RS blasting you down a straight at eye watering speeds, they’re just brilliant. And the fact that Porsche will encourage track use and totally honor the warranty is amazing. Still want to add a Ferrari, but not by trading in one of these!
Long ago (pre 9/11) I was working as an IT guy for a prop trading desk at a major bank. The senior traders all had Porsches. More junior traders tended to get Ferraris or Lamborghinis after a good year. I asked why. 'Simple - starts every time, I can see out, it goes over speed humps, and its smaller and fits through traffic restrictors'. As you say, easier to live with, and use as a daily driver.
Most people don't even know that a Porsche can be much cheaper than a Ferrari - on 2 occasions people yelled "should have bought a Ferrari mate!" at my 981CS and my neighbour guessed it was worth £90k (which was more than the new and used values combined...). Interestingly, only one person suggested it was a baby Porsche, and that person drove a diesel Insignia, so I think we can safely ignore them 😄
On practicality/usability, I switched from a Cayman to a hot hatch and honestly, for anything but furniture, that's the one thing I find the hot hatch significantly worse for! Cayman boots are big and weirdly shaped, so shopping doesn't fall over. There are cubby holes perfect for carrying 6 bottles of wine/whisky too. Also, that 3.4L Cayman averaged 36.5mpg overall and regularly 47-48mpg on long runs. Other than a 308 GTi, I'm not sure any hot hatch can actually match that...
Literally the only downside I found to owning a Porsche was tyre noise. The lovely engine/exhaust sound being louder was a benefit of the complete lack of insulation, but seriously the stereo was useless above about 60 - I've driven quieter Westfields. If that wasn't an issue, I may not have sold it, at least for a very long time.
Ferrari and Porsche my two favourite brands with Lotus a close third and a shout out for BMW M cars. I've had 3 Porsche's, a mildly modified 944 Turbo, a stock 911 3.2 Carerra and my favourite, a 996 GT3 with a Manthey K400 upgrade and a few other mods. When I was thinking of upgrading my 3.2 Carerra in 2003 for an alternative weekend toy, my first choice was a 355 which I still think is one of the best looking Ferrari's ever made. I hired a 355 for a weekend and loved it especially the noise and the gear change though the overly light steering was a bit of a letdown. Went with the GT3 as wanted to start doing track days and the Ferrari felt like it might struggle with hard track use. Don't regret my decision as had a huge amount of fun with the GT3 which I owned for 12 years but if funds had permitted, I would like to owned both. Agree with Jay, my ultimate car is a Carerra GT with the F50 a very close second.
Of all the cars in the world, super-, hyper-, mega-, ultra-, whatever-cars, I would always choose the Porsche 911. It‘s the pinnacle of engineering and timeless beauty.
And then there’s the Ferrari F40; I would murder for this car.
I’ve never driven a Porsche or Ferrari (yet). In high school it was between a BB512 or 930 Turbo for my fave. I think looking back on those now, the Porsche would be my pick.
I recently was in a very fortunate position to be able to buy either a Ferrari 458, 718 Spyder/GT4 or a 991.1 GT3. I scratched the GT4 and GT3 off as I found the Spyder a far more special car but my heart was still pushing for the 458. What stopped me from getting the 458 was just the daily drivability. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still worried for the same reasons when I park my 718 Spyder anywhere (I do not have a second car. Just one), but, however, had I purchased the Ferrari, I would have never stop thinking about where I’ve parked it. Porsches can still be a bit under the radar due to their popularity and volume but the Ferrari, I would just struggle to stop thinking about it.
I push my cars too and very frequently track them. Maintenance costs on the Ferrari were off putting too. What I would pay to maintain my Spyder would perhaps be double or nearly triple on the 458 (despite their known reliability)
It was a hard decision but I thought of the daily factor and frankly, the 718 Spyder is a fantastic car. I haven’t driven a 458 but a friend has owned both and said the Spyder is far more capable than the Ferrari but the Ferrari is more special (that V8 man. It’s glorious)
I ended up choosing brain over heart and I think that’s what most Porsche owners do when they’re in the position to get a Ferrari or a Porsche.
I hope one day I can have both of them as I find the Spyder simply irreplaceable (unless a nice dealership gives me a Spyder RS allocation 😂)
I have a 2023 Spyder. Totally agree. I will take my Spyder over ANY other car. Period.
Porsche and Ferrari are not comparable like for like, they're two different products for distinctly different markets.
Yeah, something like that, in my city there is plenty of Porsche parked in the street and used as daily drivers. Ferraris are only parked in front of the fancy club to show off.
Very happy with my 968. Affordable servicing (once a year, €600 at a German specialst 2 hours from me in Germany) Cheap tax and insurance here in Belgium. Fast enough for me. Spacious and a lovely car to drive. Apart from a few silly hardware things (aircon clutch going, tensioner bolt breaking) it's a reliable and useable car. I'm tempted to get a 924S to go along with it. Wish I could complain about a Ferrari though ;-)
Owned Ferrari F355 F1 Spider 10 years, 928 14 years a 944 and two 911's and personally I've loved all of them currently only own a 911 for the last 10 years.
I consider myself a Porsche guy having a 73 911 hotrod with a hot 73 rs engine, 964 c2, and a highly modified 7.2 gt3 track car. The 7.2 gt3 was sold a few years ago to make way for a 430 scud while the aircooled cars remain. The 7.2 gt3 imo was a better all around car in terms of performance, fit and finish, reliability, and maintenance. But, the gt3 did not raise the hairs on the back of my neck like the scud. Despite the Scuds flaws, it has that X factor the gt3 lacked for street driving. But the gt3 was an absolute machine on track whereas the scud would throw faults after 3-4 fast laps
Looking forward to the 986 S video mate!
is there any chance we could have an update on your friends father and son mc laren journey .and if it is worth buying a second hand one now ,was close to buying one it put me off thankfully .but i think there one off the nicest looking cars but live in northern ireland so no support over here if anything goes wrong
I hope one day I will be in a position to afford both of them, BUT if I can only have one, I'm afraid I still have to go with Ferrari. You do make quite the compelling case though.
If you had to drive one of the brands from A to B (Aberdeen to Bologna), which would you choose?
If you want reliability get a Toyota safety a Volvo style a Ferrari if you want all three get a Porsche.
I've had a good few days in a Cayenne but it's not a patch to my Panamera ST.
The panamera has never appealed to me at all and I’m surprised they still make it, but I’m glad they do. I feel almost duty bound to buy one to see if I can figure it out and then if warranted shine some love on them.
Would love to see you do that 👍
They are good cars and a great drive aka (MCG)
the new ones are decent
Mate had a Ferrari, but became nervous every time he took it out in case something broke. He got rid. Another bought a 246 years ago, first service in the late 1990’s was £2400 ish.
Lucky owner of a 997C2S since 2007 and a 1986 3.2 cab since 2014. Simply love both cars for their versatility (many track days with 997, many relax WE drives with the cab), design, analogue experience and bullet proof reliability (I never skipped maintenance). Downside? Real life maintenance costs are higher than advertised on both labor and parts. Don’t like to park them randomly as they sometimes attract angry looks (France). One of my friend owns an early F1 355 Ferrari which turns out to be a real beauty but a reliability nightmare which makes it impossible to drive. Nothing new in both case 😂but
Just got my first Porsche: a 2023 Macan. Is it an Audi Q5 underneath? Well, yeah, in theory. Do I joke that I overpaid for a Volkswagen Tiguan? Yes, But even with its puny four-cylinder, it brings such a smile to my face to drive, like my MINI and my Camaro LT1 did. It's like a chunky GTI, and I love that. Hoping for a 911 one day.
Sold my 4S two years ago 😕😕😕but going to buy a 9924S when 992.2 comes out. 😊😊😊
Besides my love for 6th gen Camaros, I have an incredible soft spot for 991 GT3's and Turbos. Weird, cuz I didn't love them when they came out, but they've become my favorite Porsche. I will own a 991 GT3 someday. If nothing else, I know when I wanna drive it, it'll go.
I have a 987.1 and I mostly agree with your list, my only disappointment has been my experience at Porsche Wolverhampton, they just weren’t interested in providing parts or quotes for work on my car, so it’s independents all the way for me such as Center Gravity and Porschawerks.
Hardly surprising. They’ll have more than enough ‘new’ stuff to make easy money on. And they’ve probably not got anyone who knows their way around a 987!
I've only owned a 997.1 in period, and today I still think they cool. I'd love a Cayman 981 S PDK and my dream would be a 991/992 Touring or CGT.
I have to agree regarding the Cayenne vs Panamera. The Panamera is an amazing car, but I always get more pleasure and more fun driving the Cayenne. Which is my favourite of all the Porsches by the way.
If Money was no object, i'd have both. But the Porsche would be so much easier/reliable to own.
Ferreri's bought new are either part of a collection or moved on before 20k miles to avoid big bills.
All Porsches from 356, 944, 928, Boxster, 911 and more are special things.
I've always loved the Porsche brand. I'm a true petrolhead, love my petrol/diesel cars, but Porsche have stirred my loins to THE only electric car I'd ever own. The Taycan. I don't know what it is, it just works!. It's lines, the body, how it drives,etc., You'd never ever see me in a Tesla. But if I had the cash, Taycan all the way. Great video as always, take care Jay. John from London