Is there anyway u could advice me of something now I recently got a Samsung neo cost me 2000 but when you pan the camera up and down during games you get these wired symmetrical horizontal lines only rely notice on Grey backgrounds is this replacement worthy I don't want to have a TV that it's not fit for gameing and one that cost 2000 pound like bit of a joke rely
Did you actually watch the video? Yes, they may have it on paper, but the implementation is so bad that it's better to keep it off. They did not spend anything on making it usable. That's what Fomo claims to be expensive. Not the license itself.
I think LG wants a big difference between 2023 and 2024 models so they can clear out the 2023 inventory. For those who want latest and greatest they will pay a premium for a month since LG is the only TV maker with 2024 models released. Then prices will fall pretty fast.
Last year’s C3 is still overpriced and wasn’t worth it for me as a spring buyer. The C4 won’t be any more competitive from the looks of it come this time next year. LG making a major misstep here I think. I couldn’t find any reason to choose a B3 or C3 over my S90C. Fomo about DV would have been the only thing…and I don’t think I’m missing much there
Stop defending Samsung for not having Dolby Vision. It's STUPID! If a $500 TV can have Dolby Vision there's absolutely ZERO reason a $2,000 Samsung TV can't have it.
@@themaskedgamer4031So your saying, specifically for LG OLEDs the peak is capped. DV does a PQ Curve roll off at the peak brightness of every TV it's implemented on.
@@MasterMark5 Although I'd like to get an 83 or 85 inch tv and move the 77"cx into my bedroom 😱🤣 No clue on LG or Somy, honestly. Had a 65B7P, and it got burn in twice watching CNBC. LG replaced the original panel, I had to pay for labor. I'm hesitant to spend money on a large tv and worry about burn in, I'll admit.
@@MasterMark5 Yea plus the new chip set and supposed ai on the G4. I play video games on a PS5 and watch a lot of Netflix too. I'm considering the Sony A95L or the X95L but want to see Sony 2024 models, I'll likely wait for prices to come down during Black Friday if I decide to get a 2024 tv.
Dolby Vision is garbage if it requires that much work and also cost a lot of licensing fees. Why not just go HDR10+ and get the same dynamic meta-data and basically just as good or better HDR and its free to license. I wish Sony ditched Dolby Vision and go all out on HDR10+ instead. I would choose to not use DV on Sony if at all possible because HDR10 standard is better.
No. You are for expecting LG to spend the extra money to support a technology that still hasn't been perfected even after 6 years of disappointments and empty promises.
Dolby Vision on my Sony X90L looks just fine to me. Much much better than the Vizio I had before. The Vizio would crush blacks and the whole image was just too dark. I like Dolby Vision.
Dolby Vision on my Sony X90J looks great. The Dolby Vision on my Sony A90K looks horrible and fake, but despite that, it's still great TV for non Dolby Vision content. I mostly use my X90J for Dolby Vision content.
@@langstonbelin I didn't say it was. I said fomo needs to stop defending Samsung dumb decision. Also one needs to buy a new Apple TV 4k for HDR 10 plus. I still have a 2017 Apple TV 4k that works fine. I'm still on a LG C7 and have ad Netflix. Will probably buy one of the Samsung s90c deals. Would still like dolby vision.
Look at the sale prices for 2023 TVs, they are much more in line with what FOMO is talking about. I have an 83 C1 that I got for a steal almost 2 years ago, and just got the B3 65 for just over $1000. The C3 was $500-600 more, not worth it as an extra TV (for me). Both of those regular prices are > $2k. No way anyone buys a 65 B3 for close to $2k nor a C3 for more than 2k. They would get a 90+ as FOMO outlines. I would too. LG should consolidate the A and B and make a few really inexpensive TVs going up to 83/90 inches with OLED. Even with a 60hz panel people would eat them up,
I just bought LG QNED86 2024 latest model 75inch....NO DOLBY VISION AND DOLBY ATMOS...the tv already shipped and going to deliver...later found it no both Dolby vision and dolby Atmos 😊
regarding the HDR part of this conversation: Save yourself all the headaches - skip the 4K discs and GO BLU-RAY!! In my experience with optimizing picture settings for both, Blu-Ray always looks better IMHO.
I bought the lg c3. I think it's amazing. I could have done better or worse. Was looking at the G3 and the B3 and just decided the c3 made sense and was definitely good enough!
I have Dolby Vision shut off (through Roku Ultra boxes) on all of my LG OLEDs. It is far too dark (crushing shadow detail) and regular HDR10 looks more dynamic and has more dimensionality. Dolby Vision implementation is a joke right now across all manufacturers. Even with perfect tuning though, in side by sides there is hardly a distinction that can be made between DV and HDR10. With the HDR and brightness capabilities of mid to high end TVs currently, DV isn't useful over HDR10.
I totally agree with FOMO, there’s no reasoning behind the C4 price hike. It was LGs best selling model-as well as the overall best selling OLED model-of 2023, so why not make it even cheaper. I also expect Sony to use QD-OLED for the A80M and have the WOLED A75M compete against the C4 since there’s basically nothing else for Sony to improve if they keep using WOLED for the A80M. As for LG, If there were higher standards for Dolby Vision certification then it would make more sense for them to use it only on premium models, but there really isn’t. By the way, premium models should support every video and audio format available and meet higher standards.
TCL and Hisense are coming on strong.They get size plus price value. Those TVs are heavy if 98 inches. Better have room. Projectors will take. Hit in the future. Dolby Vision is maybe being fazed out by these companies.
I currently own the LG G2 and Samsung QN90B I have no problem whatsoever watching anything on either tv. Not having Dolby Vision is an absolute non issue as content looks great on both sets. I’m deciding between the 83” G4 and 85” Samsung QN900D and Dolby Vision won’t enter into my decision.
I've always wondered, you know how they always say "once you see oled black, you never go back to an LCD" , what's your experience with the G2 and QN90B? Which would you say is better and when switching between the 2, does blooming not bother you etc?
@@gamerss7797 my experience with both have been great. I could wholeheartedly recommend either one. There is blooming on the Samsung but it’s controlled really well and doesn’t bother me at all. The G2 is my first OLED and it’s the best television I’ve owned to date. My G2 is in my basement H/T room and the QN90B is in my main floor living room so I haven’t ever done a side by side comparison but Fomo and the other UA-camrs are correct that the Samsung does HDR10 so well that you aren’t missing anything without Dolby Vision and I have no problem watching something on either set. I also own a Samsung Q80T and that was my first QLED prior to that I’d only ever owned Sony or Panasonic TV’s. OLEDs do have better blacks but it’s so close now and if you didn’t only own OLEDs before you shouldn’t have any issues with a good Mini-LED LCD TV.
@@the_guganez my Q80T is currently mounted on the wall of my kitchen and it was my first HDMI 2.1 tv and at that time I was using it with my Xbox Series X and it was not bad. The 2.1 features worked well but I was getting a washed out picture on certain games. I changed the settings and it helped but to me the QN90B is by far better and I was using it for both my Series X and PS5 and was blown away at just how much better the picture looked. Now I only game on the G2 but the technology has improved greatly from the 2020 Samsung TVs to the current models.
I’m having the same problem I want the 83/85 inch and should I buy the Sony 95 or Samsung 900 or the g4 which are all crazy prices or should I just get a cheap 85 inch for a couple grand
I went with a 75 inch Hisense U8k over a 65 LG C3. I got a picture and size upgrade over my 6 year old 65 inch Qled and came in 300 hundred dollars under my 1500 dollar budget. The C3 would have put me over budget. This Tv is excellent and I don’t regret my decision.
they should have least put that new processor in the C4 I expect the difference in price of the old processor vs the new one a lot less than the actual display upgrade.
It’s getting kinda boring to follow LG products, because ever since the C2, they don’t really bring any panel upgrades to the C or B series. We also saw this with the C series from the C9 to the C1.
12:00 But if they don't upgrade, they will fall behind. MiniLED upgrades and improves every single year. OLED can't just stop upgrading. Hell C4 is already not an upgrade. Even more so the C-series haven't been an upgrade for 4 years now. But prices remain the same or increase. And MiniLED just goes down in price and improves several times-fold. IF they don't improve why would anyone buy it even at half the price. Who the hell wants to buy an OLED that is 4 years behind in "improvements". This is a stupid take. They have to lower prices and do incremental improvements. But they can't this is WHY OLED is dead. It can't improve without costing exorbitantly too much. And if if doesn't improve. Who cares about an 800 nit C4 vs a 5,000 nit, 5,000 zone QM8 or U8N at 85" vs 65" C4. They are digging their own grave. In fact they killed the C4 series when they didn't even give it the Alpha 11 processor. Now there is even LESS reason to buy a C4. But the price is the same. OLED is dying a slow death. Us Enthusiasts care about minute quality increases and pixel peep and nitpick. The vast majority just walks into a BB and have no clue and just see $2500 for 85" or 98" MiniLED and see that it looks almost as good as the OLED with the Demo content. This is why OLED is dead in the water. OLED is like Ferrari vs Pickup trucks and SUVs and sport cars. Very FEW people can buy the superior Ferrari and who NEEDS a Ferrari to get to and from work or go on a Drive vacation? If you get what I mean. A cheaper SUV or Pickup truck today has a lot of luxury and comfort. It's just can't do 0-60 in 3 seconds but do it in 6-7 seconds. OLED used to be vastly superior but dim. Now they are brighter and still superior. But by a lot less margin.
WELL said :) I would have gone OLED but like for Everyday conumer. MOST ppl dont have even 1 time 3 hours entire week to watch 3 hr movie. Busy life is REAL. Run round working, outing, dating , party. Or others have study to do etc. they watch like 30 -60 min video then do something else. Or pass out. Most CAble tv shows are 45 min-60 min. Mostly Bright tv. lol All I did watch used to be Dr.Phill. ID investigations, NEWs, the Voice, Mayday etc. maybe THE Bachlor , Ellen, Breaking Armish , Impratical Jokers (best stuff) lmao……(back in the day). Something short enough to fill my brain 🧠 😅 before I pass out. I watch a LOT of news. All bright content. The luminance n Color matter d most 😅. D busier ppl are the more likely hood they Dread watching 3hr movies lol. 😂
I had -Legendary🎉 SHARP Aquos Quatrum LED. It’s an HIGH end Edge lit 🔥 with 4 color blend vs SONY RGB 3 color. Because the Black is SO dim , that dim enough that the HIGH luminance n WIDE color spam, n RICH color Vollume (it could produce 10-16x more COLOR than SONY, 2-4X more color volume) Made EVERYTHING bright content look MORE 3D. There was NO plasma or OLED in the market could repeat THAT visual. So I was so busy with 2 jobs, outings , partying. My friend would laugh :”u have d MOST high END tv in North America , 😂😂😂😂connected to a -ugly ass coat hanger as TV Analog receiver” 😂😂😂😂😂 “And your Analog TV look 2k , how is that possible” ????? ME:‘I was going to get tv receiver, but i dont have time watching tv. So i just left at that” lol. 😅
Thank you, but Fomo forgot to say that at today's prices of apartments, houses and rent, when many people have small rooms, for example in Europe. They'd have to buy bigger apartments first, rent bigger apartments. 65 inches is already a problem somewhere.
Given the price differential between LG QNED mini led and LG OLEDs, and that most of the public won't notice or care about any performance differences between them, I think the future is QNED mini led for everyone, especially if the blooming can be fixed. I see this as a Betamax v VHS war, and history always repeats.
They've made the g4 better ever since the g1 series. Although the "evo" panel was overhyped and they really just held back the c1 via firmware. Once the g2 came out though, the heatsink made a real difference and now it's a heatsink+MLA. The C series needs a heatsink or a reduced price!
Could care less about DV and I'm about to put my money where my mouth is on that: I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the Samsung QN90C in the 85" size where I can get it directly from Samsung for $1919. Most bang for the buck on ANY TV out there IMO and the fact that it won't have DV doesn't bother me in the LEAST. Most people can't even tell the difference between DV and HDR10+. I know I sure can't. I'll be upgrading from my 65" Sharp Aquos (smart TV's didn't even exist back then) so I'm sure I'm going to be extremely happy. Too many people make WAY too big of a deal over DV. Maybe DV should lower their licensing price.
the beauty of smart TV's (for the companies) is that they can track how many people use a feature and to what extent, and then decide whether it's worth it to have a feature in future TV's.
Using and wanting are two very different things. Do people actually use the 1000 hp of a Tesla Model S Plaid or something like that? Most likely, no. Do they still buy it, because they want it or think it is necessary? Yeah, absolutely. I've heard and seen many buy a C3 or G3 over a S90C or S95C, even though the LGs cost more and aren't as good. And there is generally one reason: DV. Will they ever use it? Will they like it? Meh? But will they avoid TVs without it? Absolutely.
All these years folks complaining about no DV on the Samsung tv's ... in the end, not only no DV for Samsung tv's, but LG removing DV as well ... the irony 😄
Maybe the US market is different, but in Germany a) there is a thing as too big... I've heard so many looking for TVs with less than 50" cause they can't fit anything bigger or don't want the TV to dominate the place. and b) people go nuts for DV. As in... if it doesn't have it, it doesn't sell. The S90C is significantly cheaper than the C3... and people will still buy the C3 like crazy. Despite being not nearly as good as the S90C. But the S90C doesn't have DV, so it is completely out of the picture. Does it matter that DV makes the image worse? Or that with a bright TV it hardly matters? No, not really. It is simply a check box that people require.
We just need tvs to move forward. I have hope sonys new mastering monitor will push tvs to strive for 4k nit dolby vision on premium tvs. Im so happy mini led is so good
Have the Hisense U8H and Dolby vision looks terrible. Tried all the presets and even tryed twee king settings, all to no avail. Going back to original FOMO calibrated settings
Don’t OLEDs benefit the most from the color contrast of DV? At any rate, people buy sets for DV so if LG wants to drop that and compete with Sammie, good luck.
If it is not side by side then you can't see it. Gor streaming it has been proven hdr10 is better for lower bit rates so dolby is useless. Use the free implementations
@@ibzman1393 This may be an acceptable view from some of the consumers, but the industry prefers to have access to DV suite of tools, HDR10 has been proven to be technically inferior on the encode side. So as long as the industry professionals want DV encodes and access to that DV content, support on the professional and average consumer side will remain. I don't understand the campaign against Dolby Vision here, there is no cost to the consumer directly or indirectly.
FOMO, I think you are making WAY too much of the importance of the 80"+ segment of the market here. That part of the market is absolutely TINY and it's not really growing at all. There's a reason for that. Keep in mind here that for the average American household 83" or 85" is just FAR too big for any room. Sure, consumers think they look cool in the stores, but that's not what they end up actually buying. Far less than 1% of TV buyers today even consider a screen size above 75", let alone ever buy one. There's not enough VOLUME at that size for it to really matter to ANY manufacturer. (Hint: Most wives put their foot down at 65" and barely even let their husbands bring home a 75" screen. Do you know how often a wife let's her husband bring home an 83" or 85" screen? Almost never.)
Fomo! I have two LG C2 TVs and greatly value Dolby Vision for my movie watching. I’m a physical media collector and will specifically seek out 4K releases that support it. I never got my TVs professionally calibrated, so I was surprised to learn that Dolby Vision alone is not enough to get a mostly accurate/optimal picture. Any advice would be appreciated.
Samsung pricing for it QD OLED in Europe is damn very high and is more than 300-400 euro compare to last year prices and yet you are ok with it, LG should reduce price and Samsung should not. Please Samsung oled market share is 22.7% not 25% (total oled sales 1.01million) lg shipped almost 5million last year which is about 53% of market share
CX-OLED with Ps5 which does not use dolby vision gaming, Ps5 instead uses HR10. I don't watch Tv or movies, just Ps5 gaming so I definitely don't need dolby vision gaming.
If LG is more or less dropping Dolby Vision, this is a death knoll for the format. The manufacturer's that implemented it and make it actually worth anything are left to just Sony? What makes it worth releasing the format for producers if people don't care because can't watch it, and don't notice it if they have it.
Sony actually half ass it in some ways. On my slightly older TV, the brightness just isn't there to make it shine. DV looks best on my TCL and Hisense sets.
Worst move for these tv brands. Truth samsung lg have always been mid range tv brands not top tier. Now that sharp is back these brands will be put back in there place. I won't sale customers any tv with out dolby vision. My self I use a90j sonh and dolby vision works amazing.
I kinda hate Dolby vision on my LG OLED it just makes the image look very dim vs HDR. I really want to grab a S90C at 77in for 2,299.99 that’s a steal but the black out image worries me. That and I hear QD OLED gets burn in very fast things showed this with a 4 month test.
Don't know if I'd do an OLED for gaming you think it would handle motion better and it does if you're doing at least 40 fps some reason theirs a lot of artifacting and motion blur at 30 fps and you need a dark room
All this nonsense that consumer don’t know difference because of poor customer service at the retail level Example I go into Best Buy Magnolia room I never see a salesperson there. I can walk around for an hour before seeing an employee. When I do see one they go to the back room and totally ignore you. If the retailer won’t help then of course the cheapest TV at the same size will buy the inexpensive model. When I ran a retail store in the sixty’s. I had to education the public coming into my store why high end tv and stereo system was worth the money. Once that’s done I had returning customers plus they cannot go back to cheaper products. I hope retailers wake up and release you have to offer one on one service. If they don’t retailers will close their doors!!!
when it comes to dv my biggest complaint is not supported on computer. you have to use tv apps. so if lg drops dv? who cares. cant use it on my main device anyway
You keep talking about 98" as though that MiniLED only sell at the really big sizes. This isn't the case. There are likely more MiniLED sold at all sizes than OLED. If a person wants a 65" TV they can get a QM8 for $1500 vs $2700 for a sh*tty C4 that is way dimmer etc. If you want something that competes then you need a G4 and then the price is $3400 for a 65". When most other MiniLED cost less. MiniLED is outselling at ALL sizes, period. Samsung sold 36 million TVs in 2023. The sold less than 1 million of their own OLED. That is 35x less TVs than LED and MiniLED. I am getting a MiniLED in the form of Sony. It won't be 98" it might be 75 or 85". It will likely cost the same or more than the top range OLEDs. I choose it because it's overall better IMO and doesn't have ASBL and crap like that. I always watch movies with Ambient light behind the TV. So the TV room is dimly lit, but not dark. Any great miniLED rival OLED that way. The Sony if as good as it's said to be. Could make that case even more.
Samsung don't consider OLED to be their flagship TV technology- that's Neo QLED. This helps to explain the pricing strategy. Maybe US consumers will consider an 85in+ TV but I couldn't fit one in my small British house. (Our houses are, on average, half the floorspace of yours). LG Display won't be able to reduce the production costs of large OLED tv panels without investing in its fabs. Sadly the P10 fab for large panels has been indefinitely delayed and the building will be used for a new IT OLED line. That's the growth market for OLED tech - phones, tablets, monitors, car displays, maybe OLEDoS for VR in future.
For the Dolby Vision vs HDR argument, I have an LG C1 (55) tv so I can watch content in Dolby Vision or HDR. I recently bought a Google Chromecast 4K an it allows you to choose between Dolby Vision or HDR. I made some tests and I prefer HDR as it's brighter (I don't watch my content with a cinema calibrated picture, I prefer a brighter and more colorful picture). So I guess Dolby Vision is really for the super purists who love a perfectly calibrated image.
Dolby Vision is so overrated. Half of these ‘creators’ aren’t even mastering it correctly. Heck, Netflix Calibrated Mode looks better than DV all of the time now.
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Is there anyway u could advice me of something now I recently got a Samsung neo cost me 2000 but when you pan the camera up and down during games you get these wired symmetrical horizontal lines only rely notice on Grey backgrounds is this replacement worthy I don't want to have a TV that it's not fit for gameing and one that cost 2000 pound like bit of a joke rely
Interesting how TCL and Hisense have HDR10, HDR10+ and Dolby Vision support…
Because at this point your getting scammed from these big named brands.
But it's TCL or Hisense. Hard pass.
Did you actually watch the video? Yes, they may have it on paper, but the implementation is so bad that it's better to keep it off. They did not spend anything on making it usable. That's what Fomo claims to be expensive. Not the license itself.
Does it matter cheap Chinese garbage tvs
Chinese TVS are best value TVs!
Tell the same to sony. Tell them to drop prices.😅
Sony does not have to!
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@@haukionkannel but consumers need that. Think about it 😌
@@haukionkannel that's why the have terrible market share
I think LG wants a big difference between 2023 and 2024 models so they can clear out the 2023 inventory. For those who want latest and greatest they will pay a premium for a month since LG is the only TV maker with 2024 models released. Then prices will fall pretty fast.
Last year’s C3 is still overpriced and wasn’t worth it for me as a spring buyer. The C4 won’t be any more competitive from the looks of it come this time next year. LG making a major misstep here I think. I couldn’t find any reason to choose a B3 or C3 over my S90C. Fomo about DV would have been the only thing…and I don’t think I’m missing much there
LG has incredible quality control which is a big one up
Stop defending Samsung for not having Dolby Vision. It's STUPID! If a $500 TV can have Dolby Vision there's absolutely ZERO reason a $2,000 Samsung TV can't have it.
dolby vision caps the amount of nits utilized so not taking advantage of over a 1000 nit oleds! It's better disabled on the LG G3 and beyond
@@themaskedgamer4031So your saying, specifically for LG OLEDs the peak is capped.
DV does a PQ Curve roll off at the peak brightness of every TV it's implemented on.
@@dihydrotestosteronealmost the same, except almost nothing supports it. I buy movies on the Apple TV store. They’re all in Dolby Vision, not HDR 10+.
@@dihydrotestosterone that’s besides the point, the majority is using dolby vision.
I have Samsung tvs and hdr10+ looks great! FOMO just said dolby vision is expensive and is not great.@@dihydrotestosterone
I love my LG C1 and was thinking of upgrading to bigger size. LG is getting too greedy and expensive. I’ll spend my money elsewhere.
The C1 is still amazing
@@cogthusiast1150 I have the c1 and c3 48 inch
Love my LG CX.
Yea, man, me too, 77"cx
Yup my LG cx still running great
@@MasterMark5 Although I'd like to get an 83 or 85 inch tv and move the 77"cx into my bedroom 😱🤣 No clue on LG or Somy, honestly. Had a 65B7P, and it got burn in twice watching CNBC. LG replaced the original panel, I had to pay for labor. I'm hesitant to spend money on a large tv and worry about burn in, I'll admit.
@@shanew7361 G4 will have a 5 year burn in warranty from LG 👍
@@MasterMark5 Yea plus the new chip set and supposed ai on the G4. I play video games on a PS5 and watch a lot of Netflix too. I'm considering the Sony A95L or the X95L but want to see Sony 2024 models, I'll likely wait for prices to come down during Black Friday if I decide to get a 2024 tv.
this is just clickbait. LG isn’t going to drop DV.
Why does this channel always bash dolby vision once in a while? lol I was like, not this again.
@@mexdrago3009 Again why don't you check it out for yourself instead of riding the Dolby Vision bandwagon O clueless one.
What does FOMO do for a living?
Dolby Vision is garbage if it requires that much work and also cost a lot of licensing fees.
Why not just go HDR10+ and get the same dynamic meta-data and basically just as good or better HDR and its free to license. I wish Sony ditched Dolby Vision and go all out on HDR10+ instead.
I would choose to not use DV on Sony if at all possible because HDR10 standard is better.
Dolby should be willing to negotiate better licensing terms if LG threatened to remove support. It would damage Dolby more than it would damage LG.
I agree even tho I have an lg.
LG is shooting themselves in the foot...
No. You are for expecting LG to spend the extra money to support a technology that still hasn't been perfected even after 6 years of disappointments and empty promises.
Dolby Vision is not important to me. Crazy prices for the C4.
Dolby Vision on my Sony X90L looks just fine to me. Much much better than the Vizio I had before. The Vizio would crush blacks and the whole image was just too dark. I like Dolby Vision.
Dolby Vision on my Sony X90J looks great. The Dolby Vision on my Sony A90K looks horrible and fake, but despite that, it's still great TV for non Dolby Vision content. I mostly use my X90J for Dolby Vision content.
@@melissalayson7275 fake?
@@dperr338 The Dolby Vision on my Sony A90K looks horrible.
@@melissalayson7275how can it look „Fake“ lol
Fomo i like your content but your dolby vision takes are weird. Cheap tvs have dolby vision. Stop being a Samsung apologist with this topic
Dolby Vision is good but it’s not as goo as y’all claim it is, it doesn’t make or brake a TV for me, especially since apple supports hdr 10 plus
@@langstonbelin I didn't say it was. I said fomo needs to stop defending Samsung dumb decision. Also one needs to buy a new Apple TV 4k for HDR 10 plus. I still have a 2017 Apple TV 4k that works fine.
I'm still on a LG C7 and have ad Netflix. Will probably buy one of the Samsung s90c deals. Would still like dolby vision.
@@MrBob2k99 Dolby Vision is good and definitely a bonus, but it doesn’t make up for the fact that the c3 is a weaker tv than the s90c.
If you have not seen hdr 10+, you don't know what you are missing. It is excellent on Apple+ tv and Amazon Prime.
@@langstonbelinAnd what HDR10+ content are you watching on your ATV? A little bit of content from Amazon, and that’s it.
Look at the sale prices for 2023 TVs, they are much more in line with what FOMO is talking about. I have an 83 C1 that I got for a steal almost 2 years ago, and just got the B3 65 for just over $1000. The C3 was $500-600 more, not worth it as an extra TV (for me). Both of those regular prices are > $2k. No way anyone buys a 65 B3 for close to $2k nor a C3 for more than 2k. They would get a 90+ as FOMO outlines. I would too. LG should consolidate the A and B and make a few really inexpensive TVs going up to 83/90 inches with OLED. Even with a 60hz panel people would eat them up,
What tv does Dolby Vision correctly?
Philips
I have a Samsung S95B. No dolby vision and honestly evryone who goes to my house and sees the TV always comes out amazed at the picture quality.
LG OLED owner here...since 2018 and LG does DV the best! Hope they keep it and find a way to implement on the QNED,
I just bought LG QNED86 2024 latest model 75inch....NO DOLBY VISION AND DOLBY ATMOS...the tv already shipped and going to deliver...later found it no both Dolby vision and dolby Atmos 😊
Samsung missed the mark with no QD-OLED at 83”
regarding the HDR part of this conversation: Save yourself all the headaches - skip the 4K discs and GO BLU-RAY!! In my experience with optimizing picture settings for both, Blu-Ray always looks better IMHO.
Could not disagree more.
@@RemixerUltimate And that's okay.
I bought the lg c3. I think it's amazing. I could have done better or worse. Was looking at the G3 and the B3 and just decided the c3 made sense and was definitely good enough!
I want hdr 10+ and dolby vision ridiculous at tnese prices.
I have Dolby Vision shut off (through Roku Ultra boxes) on all of my LG OLEDs. It is far too dark (crushing shadow detail) and regular HDR10 looks more dynamic and has more dimensionality. Dolby Vision implementation is a joke right now across all manufacturers. Even with perfect tuning though, in side by sides there is hardly a distinction that can be made between DV and HDR10. With the HDR and brightness capabilities of mid to high end TVs currently, DV isn't useful over HDR10.
I totally agree with FOMO, there’s no reasoning behind the C4 price hike. It was LGs best selling model-as well as the overall best selling OLED model-of 2023, so why not make it even cheaper. I also expect Sony to use QD-OLED for the A80M and have the WOLED A75M compete against the C4 since there’s basically nothing else for Sony to improve if they keep using WOLED for the A80M. As for LG, If there were higher standards for Dolby Vision certification then it would make more sense for them to use it only on premium models, but there really isn’t. By the way, premium models should support every video and audio format available and meet higher standards.
I've heard that the 110 inch Hisense was going to be around $ 15 K
TCL and Hisense are coming on strong.They get size plus price value. Those TVs are heavy if 98 inches. Better have room. Projectors will take. Hit in the future. Dolby Vision is maybe being fazed out by these companies.
Even amazon want to charge more for DV. Scrab DV I say
Noticed a lack of dolby on lg led tvs.
Led tv's don't benefit from DV. They will always be what they're no matter how many dimming zones they implement.
I currently own the LG G2 and Samsung QN90B I have no problem whatsoever watching anything on either tv. Not having Dolby Vision is an absolute non issue as content looks great on both sets. I’m deciding between the 83” G4 and 85” Samsung QN900D and Dolby Vision won’t enter into my decision.
I've always wondered, you know how they always say "once you see oled black, you never go back to an LCD" , what's your experience with the G2 and QN90B? Which would you say is better and when switching between the 2, does blooming not bother you etc?
@@gamerss7797 my experience with both have been great. I could wholeheartedly recommend either one. There is blooming on the Samsung but it’s controlled really well and doesn’t bother me at all. The G2 is my first OLED and it’s the best television I’ve owned to date. My G2 is in my basement H/T room and the QN90B is in my main floor living room so I haven’t ever done a side by side comparison but Fomo and the other UA-camrs are correct that the Samsung does HDR10 so well that you aren’t missing anything without Dolby Vision and I have no problem watching something on either set. I also own a Samsung Q80T and that was my first QLED prior to that I’d only ever owned Sony or Panasonic TV’s. OLEDs do have better blacks but it’s so close now and if you didn’t only own OLEDs before you shouldn’t have any issues with a good Mini-LED LCD TV.
@@Lozin80 How far would you say the Q80T is from the QN90B? Do you play games?
I have the q80t
@@the_guganez my Q80T is currently mounted on the wall of my kitchen and it was my first HDMI 2.1 tv and at that time I was using it with my Xbox Series X and it was not bad. The 2.1 features worked well but I was getting a washed out picture on certain games. I changed the settings and it helped but to me the QN90B is by far better and I was using it for both my Series X and PS5 and was blown away at just how much better the picture looked. Now I only game on the G2 but the technology has improved greatly from the 2020 Samsung TVs to the current models.
I’m having the same problem I want the 83/85 inch and should I buy the Sony 95 or Samsung 900 or the g4 which are all crazy prices or should I just get a cheap 85 inch for a couple grand
Im looking at an oled from sony or samsung this year. Great video.
Dolby Vision is good on S and A Tier Mini LED TV. On OLED its just horrible… HDR is MUCH better. Samsungs Choice is correct
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I have it and use DV on my Sony A09J
I went with a 75 inch Hisense U8k over a 65 LG C3. I got a picture and size upgrade over my 6 year old 65 inch Qled and came in 300 hundred dollars under my 1500 dollar budget. The C3 would have put me over budget. This Tv is excellent and I don’t regret my decision.
Dolby Vision HAS NOT BEEN OMITTED from the aforementioned QNED models in the UK.
I'm currently running Dolby Vision on the LG C9 55" OLED TV. It's getting old now but it's the only OLED I have!
at that prices i m not buying anythinh¡g from lg
No mla ? No c4
they should have least put that new processor in the C4 I expect the difference in price of the old processor vs the new one a lot less than the actual display upgrade.
MLA makes manufacturing rather expensive so c series does newer get MLA… new prosessors, definitely!
It’s getting kinda boring to follow LG products, because ever since the C2, they don’t really bring any panel upgrades to the C or B series.
We also saw this with the C series from the C9 to the C1.
12:00 But if they don't upgrade, they will fall behind. MiniLED upgrades and improves every single year. OLED can't just stop upgrading. Hell C4 is already not an upgrade. Even more so the C-series haven't been an upgrade for 4 years now. But prices remain the same or increase. And MiniLED just goes down in price and improves several times-fold. IF they don't improve why would anyone buy it even at half the price. Who the hell wants to buy an OLED that is 4 years behind in "improvements". This is a stupid take. They have to lower prices and do incremental improvements.
But they can't this is WHY OLED is dead. It can't improve without costing exorbitantly too much. And if if doesn't improve. Who cares about an 800 nit C4 vs a 5,000 nit, 5,000 zone QM8 or U8N at 85" vs 65" C4.
They are digging their own grave. In fact they killed the C4 series when they didn't even give it the Alpha 11 processor. Now there is even LESS reason to buy a C4. But the price is the same.
OLED is dying a slow death.
Us Enthusiasts care about minute quality increases and pixel peep and nitpick. The vast majority just walks into a BB and have no clue and just see $2500 for 85" or 98" MiniLED and see that it looks almost as good as the OLED with the Demo content.
This is why OLED is dead in the water. OLED is like Ferrari vs Pickup trucks and SUVs and sport cars. Very FEW people can buy the superior Ferrari and who NEEDS a Ferrari to get to and from work or go on a Drive vacation? If you get what I mean. A cheaper SUV or Pickup truck today has a lot of luxury and comfort. It's just can't do 0-60 in 3 seconds but do it in 6-7 seconds.
OLED used to be vastly superior but dim. Now they are brighter and still superior. But by a lot less margin.
WELL said :)
I would have gone OLED but like for Everyday conumer. MOST ppl dont have even 1 time 3 hours entire week to watch 3 hr movie.
Busy life is REAL. Run round working, outing, dating , party. Or others have study to do etc. they watch like 30 -60 min video then do something else. Or pass out.
Most CAble tv shows are 45 min-60 min. Mostly Bright tv. lol All I did watch used to be Dr.Phill. ID investigations, NEWs, the Voice, Mayday etc. maybe THE Bachlor , Ellen, Breaking Armish , Impratical Jokers (best stuff) lmao……(back in the day). Something short enough to fill my brain 🧠 😅 before I pass out. I watch a LOT of news.
All bright content. The luminance n Color matter d most 😅. D busier ppl are the more likely hood they Dread watching 3hr movies lol. 😂
I had -Legendary🎉 SHARP Aquos Quatrum LED. It’s an HIGH end Edge lit 🔥 with 4 color blend vs SONY RGB 3 color. Because the Black is SO dim , that dim enough that the HIGH luminance n WIDE color spam, n RICH color Vollume (it could produce 10-16x more COLOR than SONY, 2-4X more color volume) Made EVERYTHING bright content look MORE 3D. There was NO plasma or OLED in the market could repeat THAT visual.
So I was so busy with 2 jobs, outings , partying. My friend would laugh :”u have d MOST high END tv in North America , 😂😂😂😂connected to a -ugly ass coat hanger as TV Analog receiver” 😂😂😂😂😂 “And your Analog TV look 2k , how is that possible” ?????
ME:‘I was going to get tv receiver, but i dont have time watching tv. So i just left at that” lol. 😅
Thank you, but Fomo forgot to say that at today's prices of apartments, houses and rent, when many people have small rooms, for example in Europe. They'd have to buy bigger apartments first, rent bigger apartments. 65 inches is already a problem somewhere.
Given the price differential between LG QNED mini led and LG OLEDs, and that most of the public won't notice or care about any performance differences between them, I think the future is QNED mini led for everyone, especially if the blooming can be fixed. I see this as a Betamax v VHS war, and history always repeats.
They've made the g4 better ever since the g1 series. Although the "evo" panel was overhyped and they really just held back the c1 via firmware. Once the g2 came out though, the heatsink made a real difference and now it's a heatsink+MLA.
The C series needs a heatsink or a reduced price!
Could care less about DV and I'm about to put my money where my mouth is on that: I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the Samsung QN90C in the 85" size where I can get it directly from Samsung for $1919. Most bang for the buck on ANY TV out there IMO and the fact that it won't have DV doesn't bother me in the LEAST. Most people can't even tell the difference between DV and HDR10+. I know I sure can't. I'll be upgrading from my 65" Sharp Aquos (smart TV's didn't even exist back then) so I'm sure I'm going to be extremely happy. Too many people make WAY too big of a deal over DV. Maybe DV should lower their licensing price.
An expensive lg oled it's half the price of a cheap sony tv.
the beauty of smart TV's (for the companies) is that they can track how many people use a feature and to what extent, and then decide whether it's worth it to have a feature in future TV's.
Using and wanting are two very different things. Do people actually use the 1000 hp of a Tesla Model S Plaid or something like that? Most likely, no. Do they still buy it, because they want it or think it is necessary? Yeah, absolutely. I've heard and seen many buy a C3 or G3 over a S90C or S95C, even though the LGs cost more and aren't as good. And there is generally one reason: DV. Will they ever use it? Will they like it? Meh? But will they avoid TVs without it? Absolutely.
All these years folks complaining about no DV on the Samsung tv's ... in the end, not only no DV for Samsung tv's, but LG removing DV as well ... the irony 😄
LG has not announced they’re removing Dolby Vision. This video is just speculation.
Maybe the US market is different, but in Germany a) there is a thing as too big... I've heard so many looking for TVs with less than 50" cause they can't fit anything bigger or don't want the TV to dominate the place. and b) people go nuts for DV. As in... if it doesn't have it, it doesn't sell. The S90C is significantly cheaper than the C3... and people will still buy the C3 like crazy. Despite being not nearly as good as the S90C. But the S90C doesn't have DV, so it is completely out of the picture. Does it matter that DV makes the image worse? Or that with a bright TV it hardly matters? No, not really. It is simply a check box that people require.
Huh check the market data Samsung sold more oled tvs then lg
We just need tvs to move forward. I have hope sonys new mastering monitor will push tvs to strive for 4k nit dolby vision on premium tvs. Im so happy mini led is so good
Have the Hisense U8H and Dolby vision looks terrible. Tried all the presets and even tryed twee king settings, all to no avail. Going back to original FOMO calibrated settings
Ever since i experienced the Samsung panel lottery I will NEVER buy another Samsung tv again.
The supposed numeral X in UX is not Greek but Roman 😊
Also, DV on my Hisense OLED tracks correctly in DV Dark mode.
G3 vs A80L??? Sony flagman is A95L. When I get LG 77G3 two months ago for 3500 euro Sony 77A95L was 6000 euro, so... Who is cheaper?
Don’t OLEDs benefit the most from the color contrast of DV? At any rate, people buy sets for DV so if LG wants to drop that and compete with Sammie, good luck.
I've seen both. I like hdr10 plus better than Dolby Vision anyway so.
I wonder how many people can see the difference between good Dolby Vision and good HDR10.
I can, and everyone can. It just requires most see it presented in a side by side comparison.
I'm seeing it for years now. Big DV fan
If it is not side by side then you can't see it. Gor streaming it has been proven hdr10 is better for lower bit rates so dolby is useless. Use the free implementations
@@ibzman1393 This may be an acceptable view from some of the consumers, but the industry prefers to have access to DV suite of tools, HDR10 has been proven to be technically inferior on the encode side.
So as long as the industry professionals want DV encodes and access to that DV content, support on the professional and average consumer side will remain.
I don't understand the campaign against Dolby Vision here, there is no cost to the consumer directly or indirectly.
Buying a TV without Dolby Vision? It's out of the question whatever the quality of the brand.
Just bought a 2023 LG C77 for 1750.
I want my dream tv Sony!
100” QD OLED
What is the cost of the OLED panels compared to LCDs?
So QD OLED must cost less to produce?
Samsung appears to be selling QD OLED at cost or very close to it
I know $6500 wasn't a lot for a large TV years ago, but today, it's kinda crazy, with how good and cheap the competition is.
@stopthefomo The lg oleds are waay cheaper in Sweden this year, like between 500-1500$. For example the lg g4 65 is 700$ cheaper than g3 65
FOMO, I think you are making WAY too much of the importance of the 80"+ segment of the market here. That part of the market is absolutely TINY and it's not really growing at all. There's a reason for that. Keep in mind here that for the average American household 83" or 85" is just FAR too big for any room. Sure, consumers think they look cool in the stores, but that's not what they end up actually buying. Far less than 1% of TV buyers today even consider a screen size above 75", let alone ever buy one. There's not enough VOLUME at that size for it to really matter to ANY manufacturer. (Hint: Most wives put their foot down at 65" and barely even let their husbands bring home a 75" screen. Do you know how often a wife let's her husband bring home an 83" or 85" screen? Almost never.)
Fomo! I have two LG C2 TVs and greatly value Dolby Vision for my movie watching. I’m a physical media collector and will specifically seek out 4K releases that support it. I never got my TVs professionally calibrated, so I was surprised to learn that Dolby Vision alone is not enough to get a mostly accurate/optimal picture. Any advice would be appreciated.
I’m so tempted by the s89c 77”. At current prices it’s just such a great value. Anyone have it? How do you like it?
This won’t ever. Happen lol. Stop this
Samsung pricing for it QD OLED in Europe is damn very high and is more than 300-400 euro compare to last year prices and yet you are ok with it, LG should reduce price and Samsung should not. Please Samsung oled market share is 22.7% not 25% (total oled sales 1.01million) lg shipped almost 5million last year which is about 53% of market share
On my 83 A90J- DV Dark is just too dark for me and only good release UHD BD Disc from my UB9000 looks good in DV , rest i watch in HDR
CX-OLED with Ps5 which does not use dolby vision gaming, Ps5 instead uses HR10.
I don't watch Tv or movies, just Ps5 gaming so I definitely don't need dolby vision gaming.
If LG is more or less dropping Dolby Vision, this is a death knoll for the format. The manufacturer's that implemented it and make it actually worth anything are left to just Sony? What makes it worth releasing the format for producers if people don't care because can't watch it, and don't notice it if they have it.
Sony actually half ass it in some ways. On my slightly older TV, the brightness just isn't there to make it shine. DV looks best on my TCL and Hisense sets.
Worst move for these tv brands. Truth samsung lg have always been mid range tv brands not top tier. Now that sharp is back these brands will be put back in there place. I won't sale customers any tv with out dolby vision. My self I use a90j sonh and dolby vision works amazing.
I kinda hate Dolby vision on my LG OLED it just makes the image look very dim vs HDR. I really want to grab a S90C at 77in for 2,299.99 that’s a steal but the black out image worries me. That and I hear QD OLED gets burn in very fast things showed this with a 4 month test.
HDR10 & HDR10+ > Dolby Vision
Don't know if I'd do an OLED for gaming you think it would handle motion better and it does if you're doing at least 40 fps some reason theirs a lot of artifacting and motion blur at 30 fps and you need a dark room
I thought the G3 did have MLA?
Yes 55/65/77 not 83" although this year now G4 83" has MLA now which last year model G3 83" didnt.
All this nonsense that consumer don’t know difference because of poor customer service at the retail level
Example I go into Best Buy Magnolia room I never see a salesperson there. I can walk around for an hour before seeing an employee. When I do see one they go to the back room and totally ignore you.
If the retailer won’t help then of course the cheapest TV at the same size will buy the inexpensive model.
When I ran a retail store in the sixty’s. I had to education the public coming into my store why high end tv and stereo system was worth the money. Once that’s done I had returning customers plus they cannot go back to cheaper products.
I hope retailers wake up and release you have to offer one on one service. If they don’t retailers will close their doors!!!
when it comes to dv my biggest complaint is not supported on computer. you have to use tv apps. so if lg drops dv? who cares. cant use it on my main device anyway
If Samsung had a 5 yr burn in warranty on its S90D, and it’s S95D, they’d have the perfect TVs !!!
I bought a s90c and 5 year burn in warranty at best buy.
Led said I ain’t heard no bell
What the hell is HLG?
Oh heck no. How do they expect to stay relevant with no DV?😂😂😂
Dolby vision xbox games look freaking stupid good compared to the hdr, I'll never buy a TV with out it!
@@ericree4743 Enjoying those raised blacks?
Samsung must be having a blast finding this out.😂
You keep talking about 98" as though that MiniLED only sell at the really big sizes. This isn't the case.
There are likely more MiniLED sold at all sizes than OLED. If a person wants a 65" TV they can get a QM8 for $1500 vs $2700 for a sh*tty C4 that is way dimmer etc. If you want something that competes then you need a G4 and then the price is $3400 for a 65". When most other MiniLED cost less.
MiniLED is outselling at ALL sizes, period. Samsung sold 36 million TVs in 2023. The sold less than 1 million of their own OLED. That is 35x less TVs than LED and MiniLED.
I am getting a MiniLED in the form of Sony. It won't be 98" it might be 75 or 85". It will likely cost the same or more than the top range OLEDs. I choose it because it's overall better IMO and doesn't have ASBL and crap like that. I always watch movies with Ambient light behind the TV. So the TV room is dimly lit, but not dark. Any great miniLED rival OLED that way.
The Sony if as good as it's said to be. Could make that case even more.
FOMO....thoughts on a Sony replacement for the A80L in 2024...... A80M ?
I have lg c9 65 inch and lg c1 48 inch
Everybody is bothered about DV, color clarity, etc. How many of us have perfect vision?😂
Love your videos!
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Hi Fomo how are you doing today? Hey do you know if my 75" Samsung QN90C TV will support IMAX ENHANCED in a feature Firmware Update ?
can't predict future updates unless confirmed officially
I'm not sad about this, I've never cared for Dolby Vsison and have it shut off.
Samsung don't consider OLED to be their flagship TV technology- that's Neo QLED. This helps to explain the pricing strategy.
Maybe US consumers will consider an 85in+ TV but I couldn't fit one in my small British house. (Our houses are, on average, half the floorspace of yours).
LG Display won't be able to reduce the production costs of large OLED tv panels without investing in its fabs. Sadly the P10 fab for large panels has been indefinitely delayed and the building will be used for a new IT OLED line. That's the growth market for OLED tech - phones, tablets, monitors, car displays, maybe OLEDoS for VR in future.
83 is too big unless you have a massive room. Also, at such big screen sizes, the tv should be higher resolution than 4K.
DV has always been over rated to me.
Oh heck no, I don’t want LG to pull a Samsung.
i need no dv and co. i made my own picture with the tools the tv has to offer.
You don't know what DV is or what?
@@tronalddump404 dv made the picture not the way i will watch . no need for this.
For the Dolby Vision vs HDR argument, I have an LG C1 (55) tv so I can watch content in Dolby Vision or HDR. I recently bought a Google Chromecast 4K an it allows you to choose between Dolby Vision or HDR. I made some tests and I prefer HDR as it's brighter (I don't watch my content with a cinema calibrated picture, I prefer a brighter and more colorful picture). So I guess Dolby Vision is really for the super purists who love a perfectly calibrated image.
btw, the price went up on the S89C. It's now $2199... sigh.
Dolby Vision is so overrated. Half of these ‘creators’ aren’t even mastering it correctly. Heck, Netflix Calibrated Mode looks better than DV all of the time now.
Just bought a C2, could care less about DV. But a someone who watches OTA , it bums me out that LG refuses to add ATSC 3.0 on their C series.
DV is a big headache to implenent hdr10 just works and picture quality is indistinguishable for normal viewing
Samsung TV's are so cheap because even they know that they are bad quality. Go ahead and buy a Samsung; hope it don't break on you.
So are you saying if I disable dolby vision in my Sony A80L I will get a better HDR picture?