No thanks, you're getting close to half the price of a true coil fork and you're basically destroying the sealing surface of the inside of your air fork. Just sell your air fork and get a coil that's designed to be a coil sprung fork. Also doesn't anyone make progressive wound springs?
Sounds like a great idea for enduro/gravity riding... not so much for basic trail riding. So, I don't think I'll add it to my current short/mid travel 29er... But if I buy that long-travel bike i've got my eye on then I'd definitely consider it (or perhaps the similar Vorsprung kit).
I just installed it... amazing! Small bumps are non existent with zero hopping, jumps and drops are like butter!!! You will not be disappointed. Just do it!!! Feeling way more confident on the trail is worth the price!!! I was running from 2 to 4 tokens on rockshox 160mm air and never could get it dailed in. Now i just ride!!! Set the rebound and air to your liking, and never look back! It doesn't matter what altitude im at, cold or hot!
What's the mid stroke support like compared to the normal debonair air spring? Do you have a lot of fork dive when breaking hard or pushing into corners ?
Thanks mate for this comment. Helped me a lot, if I buy new foek or not. Just got my new enduro bike and I was chocked that the front fork was with coil. Stupid as I was, I was looking after the air intake for the fork to adjust the air, almost all night and then relize that the the fork was coil one 🤣.
just install the Push ACS3 kit on my fox 36....its pretty amazing. still running recommended settings from Push. if you are one of those people who thinks its another gimmick, or its not worth the money, or are commenting and have never rode one. stop and ride one.
I just installed this kit on my 2018 trek remedy. It definitely improved the feel of my Lyrik. It's been raining so I haven't had to much time to fine tune it. The first thing I noticed bouncing around in the driveway was how much less stiction there is. I had to show down my rebound. It's definitely smoothed out the low speed bumps. I will say based on the few reviews out there, I had extremely high expectations. While this kit didn't meet all of them, I'm happy with the purchase. The support from Push is amazing.
When does this kid sleep. I've yet to see any bike co. jump in to the latest tech with such detail w/o being boring. Hats of to Jeff and Team WWC is definitely going big. I'll keep buying from WWC !!!
Ah..la older Marzocchi forks coil/air open bath systems that felt amazing. If it can bring that feel back, I’d upgrade my pike. I still have an ‘08 all mountain 2.
Mike Garcia marzocchi forks is 💩only 888/monster , good forks, open bath good only cold time ( winter), but marzocchi better rock shox , rock shox is 💩💩💩 all times..
Exactly what I was thinking. I remember my first Marz single crown fork. I forgot the name but it was thee fork to have for DH racing before dual-crown forks came out. Yes they’re heavy beasts but they set the bar for the word “Plush “
Man, I’ve been riding for 20 years and just recently switched to a float 36 and float x2. I guess I’m not that picky but the air suspension now days is awesome, but the inner geek in me loves this concept. If only I had unlimited money 😂
I am staying ahead of the curve! Lol! I rode a a specialized ohlins Enduro coil front and rear. And it was great. Now I bought a transition sentinel with air front and rear and love it now. It seems all suspension goes in circular stages. So air will come back in a couple years. And coils will be back in a couple years after that. So to each their own and whatever they ride as long as your ride
Great review and explaination. I did not know how this product worked. Surprised to learn about the hybrid 65/35 spring/air approach. Very creative. Thanks.
I converted my SB66 to a coil rear shock and it is awesome. So, I decided to convert my Fox 36 to ACS3 expecting the same improvement. I ended up having to change the spring 2-times to get any travel from my fork. I didn't think it improved the fork but it didn't make it worse either.
@@russm195 Russell, I originally bought it with the recommended spring weight for my size. I did not get much travel, so I bought another set one rate lower, and still did not get enough travel. So, I got another set with a lighter rate and was satisfied. In hindsight, this modification to my Fox 36 was not a good choice for my riding style.
@@jamesvaliensi7706 I'm confused what you mean when you keep saying you did not get much travel? If you buy the right one for your fork you have the same amount of travel as an air spring...
@@russm195 Russell, you are 100% correct, if you get the correct spring rate the 1st time. I didn't. The charts provided by the manufacturer did not suit me and my style. So I was guessing which rate to buy. If your riding style is the same as the manufacturer predicts it is, then you are good to go.
@@jamesvaliensi7706 you said you called them and got another spring and then decided it still wasn't for you. Why didn't you get the right spring after all of that and keep it? I'm sure they would have exchanged it for you
I totally would consider getting one of these because I have a coil in my boxxer and I really like how supple it feels. On the current fork I have, it is a RS Lyrik which has the basic solo air spring and I want to have more suppleness in that fork. I honestly love the way coils feel in forks because I really like having a linear feel in the fork. Although I will probably dive through my travel constantly, I'm willing to trade that for suppleness.
I have an older generation of spring fork 160 travel .. and as for now .. i do realy enjoy the spring .. i do have air in the back .. make a perfect match for my weight .. so .. spring is not that bad .. lol .. for the kind of riding i do .. i'm not as rad as other mtb riders ;-) Have a great ride ;-)
Anxious to try both of the competing units that are out now. Jeff: from my understanding, you *potentially can* go back to your OEM air spring unit - as you said the coil can mar the interior of the fork tube which would compromise the seal, possibly, but I believe there is a solid chance of being able to go back and fork if desired. I'm sure Push won't come out and say its reversible, but...I think its fairly possible. Couldn't you also wrap the coil in heat-shrink tubing to keep it from banging-up the interior?
And we go full circle, marzocchi’s where basically exactly this arrangement albeit the oil compressed the air space. That being said added air pressure didn’t feel great but instead of adding air you just topped up the oil to get more progression. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go the whole way round back to that layout (but with less weight and more mid stroke work on the damper) I’ll never sell my 66rc2x or the old school coil sprung rig it’s bolted too.
No one has mentioned rebound !! Does the rebound work as it did before ? Obviously if riding high speed trails with braking bumps etc rebound is equally important as compression !! Product does sound impressive !!
@@dis3nchant3d42 Right you are sir. Spending my hole life on motorcycle suspension where you have both rebound and compression on both fork legs threw me off. Yes moto and MTB suspenders are similar but also very different .
I would use this conversation kit on my Pike RCT3 if I had the money, but the Fox Float on the rear of my '16 Trance Advanced 1 is worse at staying planted than the Pike. So I think I would put money into replacing that first before the Pike. Especially since the Pike already replaced the Fox 34 that came on the Trance.
This is like the opposite of what DT Swiss did with their fork - small coil spring for that supple feeling and a big air spring for the big hits. Can't help but wonder how they compare to each other
It's more than just suppleness. A coil shock does a better job of keeping the tire in contact with the surface. As you stated it's more linear therefore it is more consistent one of the drawbacks with an air shock is that it becomes inconsistent and its ability to react quickly and consistently. Coil shocks are making you come back because coil shocks are being manufactured with better quality. Perhaps with the exception of Öhlins and Fox which have always been Top Line coil shocks. Air shocks will never be able to mimic a coil shock in the foreseeable future. All one has to do is look to the mxgp, MotoGP and roll Superbike teams who are using coil shocks. If air shocks were Superior than you would see all the top major motorcycle sport teams utilizing them. 👌
@Aditya Wardhana so should mtbs have steering stabilizers too because moto uses it? They are two different sports so your argument really has no marret here and I can also tell you don't ride air suspension because its so advanced its hard pressed to tell the difference.
I totally agree. Coil will always be superior in terms of keeping the tire planted. Air suspension has to work through a series of valves to control the speed, thus the suspension action. But of course coil has the weight penalty. It just depends on what you’re after. This product seems to do a fabulous job of combining the best of both worlds.
Hey Jeff great review I have a question is this similar to what DVO has done with there Diamond fork? They have a nice coil in there forks and you can adjust the OTP like DVO says! To me the best fork I have ridden!! I really want to try out the MRP fork to compare it to the DVO. Plus Bryson is just a nice guy with a ton of experience in the fork business!!
Surprisingly no! It holds mid stroke support very well. However, I think that has to do with the damper in this case. Same damper just different spring setup.
i just installed mine on the pike and am very happy with it. Air is so vague and the coil is so predictable. like you i got the 50% it took me and a friend 5 hours to finish it though but that was installer error mostly.
For anyone looking at purchasing this, if you leave it in your cart for a few days you will eventually get an offer for free shipping which knocks of another $20
Wanting to upgrade my Yari, was looking at new charger damper with new debon air, then saw the Vorsprung kit. Have heard of this kit it’s cool you guys did a review. So many options these days to hot rod you bike.
I'm also dreaming about upgrading my Yari... First thing I'm gonna do is for sure the 150mm to 160mm conversion with the better wiper seals, and later on probably a Charger 2 RC2 but it's quite costly...
@@WorldwideCyclery Thanks - ive got a 2019 Intense Carbine im thinking of upgrading. And what the standard fork lockout on the Lyrik - does that still function?
I couldn't hear it at all. Maybe under a very rare circumstance when it's really quiet and you hit a certain type of bump you might be able to hear it. But I spent several hours on it and did not hear it once. And I was listening for it!
Pretty cool. I do like air springs though, in that they're lighter, and adjustable. Man I had such cool ideas for suspension awhile back, should have drawn some simple diagrams or something to keep the ideas.
Hey Jeff and the crew, been a pain to find a way to rid myself of my dual position lyrik, would this be an easy way to rid myself of the dual position? Or do i need to rip out the damper side aswell.
Can you explain more about why you can't just uninstall the ACS3 kit? In the installation videos or on Push's site, there was nothing mentioned about this.
Because the spring is "thrashing" around inside the stanchion. It'll be scratched up and not be good for holding air seal. But believe me you won't want to go back.
I have a couple of friends that ride with the MRP Ramp Control unit and the love it. They express they get the supple feel during the majority of their ride while getting the dampening control during jumps, drops and rock gardens. I'm not the rider to compare what's better, but dollar management might suggest the MRP wins for the average rider. I'm on the older side and I fight a couple of arm issues while riding. Depending on the terrain and/or often I ride, I can fight both Arm Pump and Shoulder Impingement Syndrome . My bike setup is good, and I don't ride heavy handed, it's more do with other sports causing shoulder and elbow injuries of the past. Doing physical therapy type exercises has helped alleviate most of injuries. Any thoughts on the therapeutic aspect of ramp control, making the overall ride softer and easier on the body?
Will Brook the MRP Ramp Control is nothing more than a convenient way to dial in the amount of “tokens / volume spacers”. Great product too but this kit is worlds apart in its purpose. FYI.
@@kevingorzny Wouldn't a MRP RC unit allow me to reduce the air in my Pike fork giving me the supple plushy feel I want for the majority of my ride, but allow the fork to stiffen up at the end of the travel, when I need it in drops or rock gardens?
@@TheTennisCompany Yes. But you can achieve the exact same function with the tokens or volume spacers (Rockshox: tokens / Fox: volume spacers). The MRP unit just allows you to control that "progressiveness" on the fly as opposed to removing your air cap and installing the spacers manually. But, same thing. For example, I'm running 4 spacers in my current Fox 34. It allows for a max of 5 given my travel amount. The MRP unit would be a turn-of-the-dial to achieve the same thing - thats just a convenience thing.
When the air spring engages is there a noticeable feeling/sound aside from it getting more progressive? Like a bottom out or top out sound/'thunk' feel.
Doesnt the preload spacers control ride height /sag rather than spring stiffness or rate? I think the spring rate remains unchanged regardless of spacers used.
I read an article saying some guys at rockshox run pretty low psi for a more supple top end and install more tokens (4 or 5) for support and progression. Would that not give a similar feel?
No sir. This replaces the air spring, not the damper. The Damper on RS and Fox forks are in the right leg. Right leg contains damper, left leg contains air spring which is what this replaces. Feel free to email or call us if you want to chat more about it :)
Why don’t these companies add a plastic (or comparable textile) in the fork leg so it doesnt scratch inside of the stanchion...and therefore can revert back to air.
I have a 2016 fox 36 160mm fox fork. it started loosing psi after every ride. I went to do a lower leg service on it , ordered a newer 2018+ fox 36 air shaft assembly along with a seal kit, I found out I could not install the newer style air shaft I researched wrong. I may order this kit if my fork still looses psi even after I cleaned it , new dust wipers seals and fluids and cleaned the crap outta the stock air shaft. where does someone buy parts for older fox forks? how do shops rebuild them? I can't find anything on the internet for any fork older than 2018. what would I do what else can I buy if I need to replace my airshaft
Would you run the ACS3 kit on your bike? Let us know!
Worldwide Cyclery yeah! It seems awesome
No thanks, you're getting close to half the price of a true coil fork and you're basically destroying the sealing surface of the inside of your air fork. Just sell your air fork and get a coil that's designed to be a coil sprung fork. Also doesn't anyone make progressive wound springs?
Absolutely! Likely next upgrade.
Fook yeah yeff!!!!!
Sounds like a great idea for enduro/gravity riding... not so much for basic trail riding. So, I don't think I'll add it to my current short/mid travel 29er... But if I buy that long-travel bike i've got my eye on then I'd definitely consider it (or perhaps the similar Vorsprung kit).
I just installed it... amazing! Small bumps are non existent with zero hopping, jumps and drops are like butter!!! You will not be disappointed. Just do it!!! Feeling way more confident on the trail is worth the price!!!
I was running from 2 to 4 tokens on rockshox 160mm air and never could get it dailed in. Now i just ride!!! Set the rebound and air to your liking, and never look back! It doesn't matter what altitude im at, cold or hot!
What's the mid stroke support like compared to the normal debonair air spring? Do you have a lot of fork dive when breaking hard or pushing into corners ?
Thanks mate for this comment. Helped me a lot, if I buy new foek or not. Just got my new enduro bike and I was chocked that the front fork was with coil. Stupid as I was, I was looking after the air intake for the fork to adjust the air, almost all night and then relize that the the fork was coil one 🤣.
just install the Push ACS3 kit on my fox 36....its pretty amazing. still running recommended settings from Push. if you are one of those people who thinks its another gimmick, or its not worth the money, or are commenting and have never rode one. stop and ride one.
I just installed this kit on my 2018 trek remedy. It definitely improved the feel of my Lyrik. It's been raining so I haven't had to much time to fine tune it. The first thing I noticed bouncing around in the driveway was how much less stiction there is. I had to show down my rebound. It's definitely smoothed out the low speed bumps. I will say based on the few reviews out there, I had extremely high expectations. While this kit didn't meet all of them, I'm happy with the purchase. The support from Push is amazing.
When does this kid sleep. I've yet to see any bike co. jump in to the latest tech with such detail w/o being boring. Hats of to Jeff and Team WWC is definitely going big. I'll keep buying from WWC !!!
Ah..la older Marzocchi forks coil/air open bath systems that felt amazing. If it can bring that feel back, I’d upgrade my pike. I still have an ‘08 all mountain 2.
They were great but heavy pigs with those beefy coils and all that oil.
Mike Garcia marzocchi forks is 💩only 888/monster , good forks, open bath good only cold time ( winter), but marzocchi better rock shox , rock shox is 💩💩💩 all times..
Misha Gilbert what? Amazing?, 😄🤦🏼♂️🤦🏿♂️ mrz 4x is normal fork, dj1 is normal, NO AMAZING 😄
Exactly what I was thinking. I remember my first Marz single crown fork. I forgot the name but it was thee fork to have for DH racing before dual-crown forks came out. Yes they’re heavy beasts but they set the bar for the word “Plush “
Would love it if you could review the Vorsprung Luftkappe at some point, cheers!
I've put one in my 36 and havnt noticed any change what so ever.
Man, I’ve been riding for 20 years and just recently switched to a float 36 and float x2. I guess I’m not that picky but the air suspension now days is awesome, but the inner geek in me loves this concept. If only I had unlimited money 😂
Also take into consideration that it void the warranty of your fork!
It will only do that if you try to go back to air
I am staying ahead of the curve! Lol! I rode a a specialized ohlins Enduro coil front and rear. And it was great. Now I bought a transition sentinel with air front and rear and love it now. It seems all suspension goes in circular stages. So air will come back in a couple years. And coils will be back in a couple years after that. So to each their own and whatever they ride as long as your ride
Once my canyon is paid off I'm getting this! Love the coil spring fast reaction and soft feel.
Great review and explaination. I did not know how this product worked. Surprised to learn about the hybrid 65/35 spring/air approach. Very creative. Thanks.
Would be good to see how the new Vorsprung Smash pot compares to this
Smashpot has better bottom out prevention system and comes with the spring.
or you could just have the OTT feature on a DVO fork
I don’t even have a MTB lol and I love watching these videos
Thank god i don't need it. Still ride my more than 10y old lyrik coil u-turn. Made a service few days ago, and still works fine. Would never trade it.
En Go That U/turn is a great riding fork
To me, coil Springs suspension are the best! I’m going to upgrade my fork Fox 36 with push ACS 3 coil system
Probably not at this point. Bike and fork are new. But I did have a previous Fox fork Pushed on my Santa Cruz and loved it.
I converted my SB66 to a coil rear shock and it is awesome. So, I decided to convert my Fox 36 to ACS3 expecting the same improvement. I ended up having to change the spring 2-times to get any travel from my fork. I didn't think it improved the fork but it didn't make it worse either.
What do you mean you changed the coil two times to get any travel out of it?
@@russm195 Russell, I originally bought it with the recommended spring weight for my size. I did not get much travel, so I bought another set one rate lower, and still did not get enough travel. So, I got another set with a lighter rate and was satisfied. In hindsight, this modification to my Fox 36 was not a good choice for my riding style.
@@jamesvaliensi7706 I'm confused what you mean when you keep saying you did not get much travel? If you buy the right one for your fork you have the same amount of travel as an air spring...
@@russm195 Russell, you are 100% correct, if you get the correct spring rate the 1st time. I didn't. The charts provided by the manufacturer did not suit me and my style. So I was guessing which rate to buy. If your riding style is the same as the manufacturer predicts it is, then you are good to go.
@@jamesvaliensi7706 you said you called them and got another spring and then decided it still wasn't for you. Why didn't you get the right spring after all of that and keep it? I'm sure they would have exchanged it for you
I totally would consider getting one of these because I have a coil in my boxxer and I really like how supple it feels. On the current fork I have, it is a RS Lyrik which has the basic solo air spring and I want to have more suppleness in that fork. I honestly love the way coils feel in forks because I really like having a linear feel in the fork. Although I will probably dive through my travel constantly, I'm willing to trade that for suppleness.
I have an older generation of spring fork 160 travel .. and as for now .. i do realy enjoy the spring .. i do have air in the back .. make a perfect match for my weight .. so .. spring is not that bad .. lol .. for the kind of riding i do .. i'm not as rad as other mtb riders ;-)
Have a great ride ;-)
Anxious to try both of the competing units that are out now. Jeff: from my understanding, you *potentially can* go back to your OEM air spring unit - as you said the coil can mar the interior of the fork tube which would compromise the seal, possibly, but I believe there is a solid chance of being able to go back and fork if desired. I'm sure Push won't come out and say its reversible, but...I think its fairly possible. Couldn't you also wrap the coil in heat-shrink tubing to keep it from banging-up the interior?
In the middle of the spring it has got heat shrink tubing,I guess if it's going to rub,it will be the middle of the spring area
Isn't this pretty much a DVO air spring with the OTT coil
hey guys great video, would you consider doing more dh bike stuff as I only have a dh bike
this is what I've always wanted...now its here!
Sounds familiar.. jurassic fox 36 vanilla r I think I have one laying around..
And we go full circle, marzocchi’s where basically exactly this arrangement albeit the oil compressed the air space. That being said added air pressure didn’t feel great but instead of adding air you just topped up the oil to get more progression. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go the whole way round back to that layout (but with less weight and more mid stroke work on the damper) I’ll never sell my 66rc2x or the old school coil sprung rig it’s bolted too.
No one has mentioned rebound !! Does the rebound work as it did before ? Obviously if riding high speed trails with braking bumps etc rebound is equally important as compression !! Product does sound impressive !!
Rebound is controlled on the other side of the fork. So whatever rebound control you have remains.
@@dis3nchant3d42 Right you are sir. Spending my hole life on motorcycle suspension where you have both rebound and compression on both fork legs threw me off. Yes moto and MTB suspenders are similar but also very different .
@@ADAM07R
Yet they both keep your pants up! 😁
When will Push bring out a Shock for the Following MB? Id be the first inline to buy that
I would use this conversation kit on my Pike RCT3 if I had the money, but the Fox Float on the rear of my '16 Trance Advanced 1 is worse at staying planted than the Pike. So I think I would put money into replacing that first before the Pike. Especially since the Pike already replaced the Fox 34 that came on the Trance.
Really cool idea, any pros running it?
This is like the opposite of what DT Swiss did with their fork - small coil spring for that supple feeling and a big air spring for the big hits.
Can't help but wonder how they compare to each other
Push is dope! Would love to have it on my bike. Maybe someday!
It's more than just suppleness. A coil shock does a better job of keeping the tire in contact with the surface. As you stated it's more linear therefore it is more consistent one of the drawbacks with an air shock is that it becomes inconsistent and its ability to react quickly and consistently. Coil shocks are making you come back because coil shocks are being manufactured with better quality. Perhaps with the exception of Öhlins and Fox which have always been Top Line coil shocks. Air shocks will never be able to mimic a coil shock in the foreseeable future. All one has to do is look to the mxgp, MotoGP and roll Superbike teams who are using coil shocks. If air shocks were Superior than you would see all the top major motorcycle sport teams utilizing them. 👌
@Aditya Wardhana so should mtbs have steering stabilizers too because moto uses it? They are two different sports so your argument really has no marret here and I can also tell you don't ride air suspension because its so advanced its hard pressed to tell the difference.
I totally agree. Coil will always be superior in terms of keeping the tire planted. Air suspension has to work through a series of valves to control the speed, thus the suspension action. But of course coil has the weight penalty. It just depends on what you’re after. This product seems to do a fabulous job of combining the best of both worlds.
@@geekane9462 you're describing how compression circuits work with oil, not the air spring side.
Funny how things goes full circle.. Still prefer that Manitou Dorado from what.. 2005 design? with that IRT for bottom out control..
Nnnoooiiiccceee. That kit is pretty Genius. They are really pushing the limits these days ;)
Hey Jeff great review I have a question is this similar to what DVO has done with there Diamond fork? They have a nice coil in there forks and you can adjust the OTP like DVO says! To me the best fork I have ridden!! I really want to try out the MRP fork to compare it to the DVO. Plus Bryson is just a nice guy with a ton of experience in the fork business!!
How much weight does this add over the air spring ?
That looks amazing I love coil!!!
Droolin over it but dont think im that fussy to bother
Doing this upgrade now... 🤟
Hey Jeff! Does the fork dive at all while cornering, like on the MRP Ribbon you tested?
Surprisingly no! It holds mid stroke support very well. However, I think that has to do with the damper in this case. Same damper just different spring setup.
Mine is coming. Converting my pike to coil
I hate the feel of my pike and the ACS3 is 50% off now so I am going to go for it.
i just installed mine on the pike and am very happy with it. Air is so vague and the coil is so predictable. like you i got the 50% it took me and a friend 5 hours to finish it though but that was installer error mostly.
For anyone looking at purchasing this, if you leave it in your cart for a few days you will eventually get an offer for free shipping which knocks of another $20
Love coil coil all the way Always said coil was more supple better performer Love my Suntour XCT Go coil Remember keep cycling Wm.
😆😎😇🎶
Wanting to upgrade my Yari, was looking at new charger damper with new debon air, then saw the Vorsprung kit. Have heard of this kit it’s cool you guys did a review. So many options these days to hot rod you bike.
I'm also dreaming about upgrading my Yari... First thing I'm gonna do is for sure the 150mm to 160mm conversion with the better wiper seals, and later on probably a Charger 2 RC2 but it's quite costly...
What do you get a mountain biker who has everything. An ACS3 kit.
Sounds awesome - been looking at doing this upgrade. How does it affect climbing?
It definitely depends on the geo of your bike but from my experience, it did not affect climbing noticeably.
@@WorldwideCyclery Thanks - ive got a 2019 Intense Carbine im thinking of upgrading. And what the standard fork lockout on the Lyrik - does that still function?
Hey Jeff, can you hear the spring rattle inside the fork when you're riding or is it pretty quiet?
I couldn't hear it at all. Maybe under a very rare circumstance when it's really quiet and you hit a certain type of bump you might be able to hear it. But I spent several hours on it and did not hear it once. And I was listening for it!
I have this on my bike! So nice!!
Pretty cool. I do like air springs though, in that they're lighter, and adjustable. Man I had such cool ideas for suspension awhile back, should have drawn some simple diagrams or something to keep the ideas.
Hey Jeff and the crew, been a pain to find a way to rid myself of my dual position lyrik, would this be an easy way to rid myself of the dual position? Or do i need to rip out the damper side aswell.
Can you explain more about why you can't just uninstall the ACS3 kit? In the installation videos or on Push's site, there was nothing mentioned about this.
Because the spring is "thrashing" around inside the stanchion. It'll be scratched up and not be good for holding air seal. But believe me you won't want to go back.
Ya I need this kit!
Will this fit the Fox36 Float Performance 160mm 29”? The fork is from my Santa Cruz Megatower S Build. Thanks
Im gonna do it on my new bike
Here we go again purchasing 2 or 3 different springs to try to get the right feeling!
Can you feel when the coil hits the air spring?
8:47 you guys are wild 😂
What does the spring do the CNc, like the top part is the fork?
Do you think this PUSH Industries kit is that much better than what is available from SRAM/Rockshox for the 2.1 Charger/Damper comparison?
I have an Öhlins DH38, can I run this kit?
I was considering getting one until you said once you convert the fork you can go back. 😒
I have a couple of friends that ride with the MRP Ramp Control unit and the love it. They express they get the supple feel during the majority of their ride while getting the dampening control during jumps, drops and rock gardens. I'm not the rider to compare what's better, but dollar management might suggest the MRP wins for the average rider. I'm on the older side and I fight a couple of arm issues while riding. Depending on the terrain and/or often I ride, I can fight both Arm Pump and Shoulder Impingement Syndrome . My bike setup is good, and I don't ride heavy handed, it's more do with other sports causing shoulder and elbow injuries of the past. Doing physical therapy type exercises has helped alleviate most of injuries. Any thoughts on the therapeutic aspect of ramp control, making the overall ride softer and easier on the body?
Will Brook the MRP Ramp Control is nothing more than a convenient way to dial in the amount of “tokens / volume spacers”. Great product too but this kit is worlds apart in its purpose. FYI.
@@kevingorzny Wouldn't a MRP RC unit allow me to reduce the air in my Pike fork giving me the supple plushy feel I want for the majority of my ride, but allow the fork to stiffen up at the end of the travel, when I need it in drops or rock gardens?
@@TheTennisCompany you can do that with your existing fork already by using tokens. Not on the fly like with the mrp RC but it'll do the same?
@@TheTennisCompany Yes. But you can achieve the exact same function with the tokens or volume spacers (Rockshox: tokens / Fox: volume spacers). The MRP unit just allows you to control that "progressiveness" on the fly as opposed to removing your air cap and installing the spacers manually. But, same thing. For example, I'm running 4 spacers in my current Fox 34. It allows for a max of 5 given my travel amount. The MRP unit would be a turn-of-the-dial to achieve the same thing - thats just a convenience thing.
@@kevingorzny Thanks for the help; I have two spacers on hand. I will experiment over when it drys out here in San Diego
My only complaint is that I can buy 2 springs for my rockshox boxxer world cup forks for half the price of one spring for this kit. Why is that?
When the air spring engages is there a noticeable feeling/sound aside from it getting more progressive? Like a bottom out or top out sound/'thunk' feel.
Does it prevent diving or does it have enough mid stroke support? 🤔
Doesnt the preload spacers control ride height /sag rather than spring stiffness or rate? I think the spring rate remains unchanged regardless of spacers used.
How hard is it to install, maybe you could do a video on that.
This might be a stupid question, but I have a 36 float performance fit4 twinloc will switching affect an lock out features. I’m guessing yes?
Does Push have any plans for an xc version like 32SC or SID? Ti spring would also bring weight down
After the install, can the spring be replaced just incase i lose or gain weight? 😊
I read an article saying some guys at rockshox run pretty low psi for a more supple top end and install more tokens (4 or 5) for support and progression. Would that not give a similar feel?
Buy fox 36/ manitou mezzer and close question .
Hey “Jeff” this is “worldwide cutlery”
Is the fork on that Evil broken or is the headtube just shaped unusually?
Is it me, or does that fork looks like it's bent on the Evil's headset?
Just for understanding... in a Fox i have to change the GRIP2 ?
No sir. This replaces the air spring, not the damper. The Damper on RS and Fox forks are in the right leg. Right leg contains damper, left leg contains air spring which is what this replaces. Feel free to email or call us if you want to chat more about it :)
Why don’t these companies add a plastic (or comparable textile) in the fork leg so it doesnt scratch inside of the stanchion...and therefore can revert back to air.
Do you prefer this to the mrp ribbon coil?
Does the fork bob more with the coil on climbs?
Do I detect a Canadian accent? Great videos
The hype train is real!
How does this feel while climbing?
I have a 2016 fox 36 160mm fox fork. it started loosing psi after every ride. I went to do a lower leg service on it , ordered a newer 2018+ fox 36 air shaft assembly along with a seal kit, I found out I could not install the newer style air shaft I researched wrong. I may order this kit if my fork still looses psi even after I cleaned it , new dust wipers seals and fluids and cleaned the crap outta the stock air shaft. where does someone buy parts for older fox forks? how do shops rebuild them? I can't find anything on the internet for any fork older than 2018. what would I do what else can I buy if I need to replace my airshaft
Their seals? Na. Use SKF seals. Those are the best.
Will this fit lyrik select debonair 2020?
Hi end shock brilliantly responsive
To be honest I’m running a fox 36 150 mm boost upfront and soon I will be running a fox float X2 210 by 50 mm rear shock
No! You’re lying! I know it!
Just kidding. I had to be cheeky. 🤷♂️😁
does it work on the new revelation (35mm)?
Kind of like a DVO and its OTT?
Well, i guess imma keep my sr suntour coil fork, im living in te future (not really)
If anyone want to hook me with an airfork its ok too ;v
Not bad🤞🤞
well now ill need to have 2 forks, one with air and one with coil
What's CSU?
This is just like air bumpstops on a prerunner
Ha push it. Push it real good
No one does these kits for fox34...
does the fork still have rebound and compression?
Yes. That’s in the opposite fork leg.
Do they fit the new 35mm revelation too or no?
Unfortunately they do not :(