That flip fopping ya'll might be experiencing from me. That is called having good and bad opinions about the same game without joining a cult of one. If you truly think I flipflop show me an exact example of when I contradicted myself. I bet you can't. Like and sub 😘
@@jakeypants_YT I CANT believe I'm saying this but Taylor Swift said it best.... Players gonna play-play- play and Haters gonna hate-hate-hate.... Or some shit like that🤷
1:42 Tabor sounds are just louder and with less quality, also the gun play in Exfill Zone is 100x times better since its been refined in like 4 years with Contractors and Showdown
More than 6 years even, I played Contractors beta in late 2018 after being in beta for a while. It's very clear that the Contractors devs care a LOT about polishing the gameplay, because the way gear and reloads and stuff is handled in Contractors is _so good_ compared to everything else. Also.. Tabor weapons and gear interactions is pretty much bottom tier, cause the dev is either talentless or just doesn't care about the core mechanics of a shooter. As a contractors boy, Tabor was straight up unplayable. Using the weapons just feels like total shit. I can't remember any shooter that does it worse off the top of my head... Yeah, can't remember a single one, and I've played every VR FPS known to man. I don't even take the Tabor devs seriously anymore. I log in once every 6 months or so to have a look, and it's been shit for years... How is that even possible.. They could have just copied any other game and it would be better.. Hell, the worst Contractors mods have far, FAR better guns than Tarkov. It's nuts. Tarkov only has players because it's alone in the market. People have just gotten used to the game being trash. I've been there, I've played some trash in my day because no one else was making games like that. Operation Flashpoint ran at 20fps MAX back in the early 2000s. Nothing else did what Operation Flashpoint did.. So I played the jankiest game of all time for a few thousand hours.. No one stayed on OFP once ArmA came out (same dev, functioning game..) The same will happen to Tabor. People say it's hard to go back to Tabor already after playing the _alpha_ version of Contractors xfil.. That's bad news for the tabor devs. Their game feels rough compared to an alpha.......
yeah i'm of the same opinion- i'm happy to trade a little realism for a more enjoyable gunplay loop. If i wanted insta kills then i could just go out and play airsoft, but I want gunfights to actually involve a bit of shot trading
Hot take: I actually like the scuffed audio. In Tarkov when you hear someone’s footsteps it turns you into a situational rat because why would you give up your position and not just hold? In Exfil zone everyone hears everyone’s footsteps but no one knows where anyone is so I just push and I notice most other players do the same.
Honestly for me, as someone who solely plays on quest for both exfil and got, exfil will always be superior for one reason alone... no reprojection! Got uses application space warp and for a competitive shooter this is a huge problem. It puts u at a severe disadvantage against pc players where exfil runs without application spacewarp. It's just a better experience on quest as a whole which is the platform 99% of people are going to expect both these games on
I also think the insistent naming of "the tabor killer" isn't helping it. When you call something a ___ killer it has a hard time leaving its shadow and really only serves as a backup game for when you're mad or bored of the game its getting compared to. Think like Arena Breakout or Grayzone Warfare, Both of these games are pretty decent (ehh maybe not grayzone) but because they were both labeled the "tarkov killer" they died out pretty quick as their player base just went back to tarkov.
Also, you're 100% right about the whole collision thing with guns. I've had the same issue a ton, where you'll have a rifle on the front waist and you can't bring up your rifle to aim it, because it keeps getting all hung up on the gun on your waist. You have to hold the gun crazy high up and even then you can't get a proper sight picture. That crap gets you killed very fast.
One of my big issues with EZ is like you said the guns, which really surprises me for a game like contractors which has pretty good guns. I overall like the grenade system, but I think they should have it be 1. an opt-in type thing, or 2. have it be a hybrid where you still can throw the nade regularly but with more guidance.
i’m sure these things will be changed considering the fact that the game isnt even fully released yet and they are constantly fixing things. Im not really a huge fan of ghosts of tabor due to random bugs that could screw up a whole run that happen at the worst times and the over all feel of the game.
I do hope these things are fixed because the game has huge potential. An annoying thing I think they need to fix is the whole spawn killing during scav raids and the atrocious accuracy with the irons. other than that good video🤙
I feel people keep throwing around the word “Tabor killer” without any thought in it, of the hundreds of thousands of people who bought the game their not gonna drop it because of this, is the game good, yes, is it perfect, far from it.
My biggest gripes so far are that scavs are OP af (they are bullet sponges, but they have AP ammo and they respawn in raid), and everything from traders costs an insane amount of money for basic items. Scavs in this game are 10 times harder than Tabor and there's tons of them. They basically leech all your ammo and heals before you run into actual players, and then you have nothing. I've had to settle for peanuts, doing fast little 5 minute Metro raids, just to grab a few things to get a tiny amount of money and that's not how the game is meant to be played. The difficulty/learning curve is steep for this game, especially playing as a single player, even for seasoned VR players. Also, the audio must be global, because when you're getting shot at, you hear it from all different angles, which gets you killed, because you can't perceive directionally where it's coming from.
Didn't they update the recoil system via ragesaq request. And I think different grain of bullets (not caliber) determines how strong the impact will be.. and what you're experiencing with the gun is actually the controllers desyncing and i think its from the volume of size on the map
I got evidence to back up 3:03 lol. Yesterday I was in a raid after the wipe and I had went looting, ending with what would’ve been most likely 500000 credits from how much stuff I had. Suddenly there’s a guy and now I’m playing ring around the Rosie with him around a wall, before remembering I had a grenade. I pull it out, and aim the line over the wall, but not too far that it misses entirely. You could only imagine my reaction to this black hissing potato I had thrown sitting at my feet. First wipe happens right after I get ark to level 2, then this? Shet.
It’s cool to see some Tarkov esque elements in VR, even if it’s not in Tabor, and I hope the competition will be healthy for both of them. I would much rather have Scav runs, better missions with vendor lore/writing, deeper health system, stats on weapons/armor/munitions, robust bunker system, better leaning, loot bins, better attachments, and deadly AI in Tabor. Cus for as much as EZ has that stuff, they also have worse sound overall, the force grabbing hands is awful for this mode, grenade throw in VR should be manual, pinging with the map tool is arcadey, the guns feel like they weigh nothing, the crouch function is on my aim joystick, I spawn in and exfil in black screen but can take dmg anyways, and there’s sliding. (notice I didn’t mention anything, like armor/dmg being inconsistent, that can be attributed to “well it’s in alpha”). These things are all leftovers from Showdown that make a Tarkov like worse. Imo ofc. I think the road ahead will be tough for both of them. Tabor wants to do all those Tarkov things, but man I’m getting impatient for them to get their weight up. And EZ has to shed lots fat with all the SD leftovers. Both are fun tho ngl.
it's a loaded question only because of the system and it's intended elements to the game. Definitely jump in and try it out and do some googling on it to. very cool feature.
Scav is ai unless it’s a player scav but they usually look cheaper and have some non armored clothes on them small kit Also if you kill a player scav they will all agro you and you’re basically a player now You can tell by their walking animation if it’s ai or not And players are usually kitted
How do you actually play bc the link to the Google form is broken I think and I don't see another channel for the version in my quest (sorry I'm stupid)
I feel like the raids last too long. I've had 3 or 4 raids where I fire a round maybe 5 minutes in and someone will camp a door for 10 minutes without any punishment. If you get in a raid at the start you could literally camp for like 40 minutes and still extract with probably a minute or two left.
Let me ask you this, do you like the grenade throwing in tabor? Because if you do bless YOUR soul brother, impact grenades are unusable because half the time it flys out my hand at 90 degrees straight into the wall, and don’t get me started on trying to throw a grenade DOWN a floor like in silo, it’s literally impossible… so yes I will take this system over that bs, although yes contractors had some of the smoothest nade throw of any vr game I’ve personally played
aim smoothing in my experience is affected by framerate. on quest 2, the game will lag and stutter a little bit, which makes the guns feel like they lag behind. I fixed this by just setting gun smoothing to 0. ive not had this issue on pcvr though, but im assuming its because my game doesn't have frame issues on pc
@ I don’t think there’s much issue with it anymore actually, I’m noticing that performance on the quest 2 has been improved dramatically. I rarely stutter or lag after wipe
1. Guns IMO are only bad because some weapons need to get better attachments. I do agree the sounds could be better, idk why they sound likentheyre muffled behind a pringles can, but i agree there. Also, i think the aim smoothing setting could be the reason why it feels like it lags behind. Thats a settings issue that I think ahould be fixed as well. I dont like it either and decided to just use no aim smoothing until its fixed. 2. Realism =/= Fun Grenade physics are hard to master as a dev. I think also you have to think about peoples rooms and how small some of them are. I think this option is great because ive always had issues with throwing grenades unless i had a knucklegrip on my Quest 3 controllers. (Many dont have these, so the difficulty of people having to throw their controllers across the room is increased because its immersive.) So, I stand that these grenade throw setting is fine, but i do think a adjustment to how far you want to throw those grenades. Like a slider on your thumbstick to adjust how far it goes. Though, ive never played OG contractors, idk how it felt to throw the items in that game. So i think its just a nice setting to have. 3. Virtual Gunstock, Aim Smoothing, and other settings similar to that can explain so much for aim assist. But i do agree, that it should be better adjusted. Sometimes, I think holding weapons while using that stuff can be annoying. So this point I agree with. But, even though this game is a carbon copy of Tarkov, i dont think its a total bad thing (so long they dont go a EA route of monetization.) At the end of the day, it does need some help and change. So hopefully the devs are listening to suggestions and feedback forbthese fixes to happen.
Grenade auto throw needs to get scrapped completely, and aim assist is insulting as hell in these games! What sells me is the map density and unnecessary types of loot and actualhard AI that i hope gets another difficultybuff. Other then that still millions of times better then tabor even in this broken buggy state!
My biggest flex in 10 years of gaming? I've never intentionally used Aim Assist not once and I never will. If I'm bad, I'll own it and improve, rather than leaning on 'training wheels' that don’t actually teach you anything. And YES, the grenade throwing does need fixing this is a VR game, lol! The whole fun of grenades in VR is throwing them like a mercenary (without any real mercenary training), and not with some training wheels (auto throw)
Aim assist and spongy damage are the two things that made me refund Showdown. I was hoping they would change this for Exfill but it seems it's still the same.
Don’t think those reasons are flop worthy when tabor has had the same shitty bugs like weapon handling always having to readjust when ads and it collides with your vest
I have two words for you my friend. Contractors Showdown. Arguably a great game, but lost most peoples interest. These types of "accessibility" mechanics are the types of things that make people bored fast.
Big fan of Tabor,but they're in trouble. As someone who has spent many hours in tarkov I can tell you xfil zone is much closer to that experience. Its also feature rich with mechanics that got doesn't have.
I’m my opinion this is still the GOT killer because the gunplay feels better and the health system feels better which also THIS IS AN ALPHA so we still give it time but so far it’s showing and the showdown nade throwing is nice but nothing bets Vail nades
Really hard to understand the video, what's sarcasm and what's not :P Exfilzone has huge potential, but needs a lot of polish, not just 3 things ... Regarding grenades, for me what made them useless was the timer, too long. And gun sounds I can live with that, but footsteeps are awful ... even worst than in tabor, that are really bad. I want onward footsteps !!!!
I agree sooooo much about throwing mechanics. Not gonna say I'm great at throwing in normal contractors, but I'm not great at throwing in real life either, and that's cool. I mess up, I laugh, I move on with my day. That's how it should be, that's FUN! Using what feels like a slingshot to just spjoooing a grenade fricken 200 feet and hitting a dude square in the jaw is just super dumb. I have no idea why devs do this.. Grenades aren't supposed to be super accurate, even if the guy throwing is really good at throwing. Contractors VR damn near nailed throwing IMO and everyone should just do what they do. Throwing in an arcing fashion over the shoulder style actually works really well in that game. And when I do get a good throw and kill someone, it feels super satisfying. In Showdown it just feels like I'm cheating. Might as well have like a view-locked launcher like in Firewall Ultra at that point...
first minute got mad, realized i was getting rage baited. Good Rage bait man Edit, holy shit man you are fire, i would get mad and then relize right after
They also should get rid of the AR layers and HUDs, in real combat - you don't get health data or how many bullets you've got in the mag. It's VR, not a flat screen game! I like GOT as a tactical shooter for Veterans, but Exfilzone has a potential too. Drop arcade crap!
@@jakeypants_YT Me too. That's why competition is great for them to take inspiration and ideas from each other. But nothing is exciting after trying military grade VR Mil-sims with real / airsoft weapons.
You can just full auto and hit the target that's was literally how the usa won most fights in ww2 but back to the point you can but the accuracy might be bad
I feel like this will turn into a Arena Breakout Vs Tarkov Situation again because arena breakout aka "Tarkov Killer" has so far still a high player count over tarkov but as far as we know now arena breakout has took some of tarkovs players now will abi be better then Tarkov IMO NO but it still fills that gap for those who want a extraction shooter but not to hardcore and there's where i feel exfil & tabor will stand Exfil Zone "Tarkov" More gritty hardcore Etc etc Tabor "Arena Breakout" a bit more causal still giving you that same feel but without being to much IMO I Prefer the gritty hardcore gameplay so i feel personally Exfil Feels My Needs & has the stuff I & many people have been asking for in tabor But also im sick of the devs BS 6 Months all we got is -$13 Training mode -Skins For certain guns -New Map -Slightly new AI -"1" New Gun (witch is crazy asf to me to add in 6 months) Basically all the talk about island expansion Or Leaning Or Scav Raids basically nun of that is coming and then you have there biggest creators (not name dropping) Playing the game more then tabor bc tabor rn is stale as a box of salt crackers
yeah I totally agree. Tabor devs seem really determined though and games take forever to make so we will see who truly comes out on top. so far Exfil is looking very promising and only needs to work out a few bugs to get right. Tabor has a marathon that we are expected to pay full price before it even leaves the starting line.
The alpha extentions are understable with how horrible the meta ui experience is, but the bones are there to make this game so much better. Never had a chance to use grenades cause i would die to some bot i couldn't see or a corner camper, so i hope the gunplay at least gets some much needed improvement Wait there's fucking aim assist?
The problem with Tabor is the gameplay. It straight up sucks, is boring as fuck, and is 90% kill quests. Exfil Zone, bugs and all, is still infinitely more amounts of fun. EZ needs to update audio some more, fix audio location in metro especially but also in general, and make the guns feel a bit better/able to be calibrated. Aside from that, and the annoying as fuck stats penalty for dying, EZ is spot on. Also didn't even notice an aim assist option. Are you talking about weapon smoothing? Tabor also has this.
Personally love exfil over Tabor. It can and hopefully will get better. I really hope they continue working on it (Also why do some people believe they are copying tabor. Its a fucking extraction they dont own them. There both trying to be like tarkov. There both good in there own ways, ppl just gotta deal with it)
I still think Tabor will be crazy some day, but yeah I like Exfil far more right now. And it's probably because they are a bunch of kids who have never heard of Tarkov lmao
@jakeypants_YT Yeah Tabor is definitely gonna be crazy. It's crazy to think kids who really like Tabor and or exfil have never heard of tarkov. Cuz I feel like someone's got to mention it at least once to them
Calling a game Alpha when they never panned on removing it for further development is like when your mom told you that it was just her “friend” sleeping over 🥲
lol someones pressed coz hes a little too slow to consider how long a games been in development, no wonder all ur videos are aloada yap about games "failing" or being "doomed" bruh put the fries in the bag pal😭🙏
I think doomed is an exaggeration, as Tabor has been doing just fine with an equal, if not greater number of pitfalls. However, pretty much everything you mentioned that needed to be fixed is true. Contractors games have always had Arcady gun sounds, which doesn't translate well at all to this genre. Also, scavs just don't react to getting shot, which is an issue in many games that just kills immersion. Armor or not some of these guns are imparting about 1000 J on impact. That's gonna hurt no matter what you're wearing. Also grenade assist is arcady and immersion breaking-may work for a battle royal but not an extraction shooter. Could you elaborate on what you mean by aim assist? I haven't noticed it.
You need to put your ammo mags on the lowest part of your body so the gun doesnt hit them. And with the gun weighing a lot suddenly like you mentioned, me personally i havent had that happen to me yet so im probably just lucky. Ive been enjoying the guns so far but they could make them more distinct from each other.
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The gun should never collide with pouches regardless of where they're attached, but sometimes, they just get glitched and have a collision with weapons.
I agree with you, they should make it to where it doesn't have collision on yourself at the very least. But what ive been doing is moving my mag holders lower so it doesn't do that when I need to aim and shoot.
W take. I’ve loved the idea of this game but based on videos I’ve seen I haven’t had interest in trying it myself. Just doesn’t look very polished which makes sense for an alpha, but like you said this is basically an open beta now
Exfil zones also free, better physics, and everything he’s complained about is why it’s a game test and they didn’t copy anything from tabor it’s from tarkov ty ty
probably because I am not in a brainwash cult like all the "glazers" and "Haters out here" I do like the game. just don't like certain things about it.
Gotta disagree about the guns i think they are far superior in exfil they feel more responsive to me ive spent a large amount of my life firing guns and the recoil is more accurate and the scopes are actually functional cant see anything through tabors scopes none of these points are gamebreaking to me personally but i respect your opinion
Idk. Tabor definitely feels better in the recoil and weapon handling department. As an avid shooter with land to frequently shoot in my free time, I think tabor has the recoil and the sound designs pretty spot on. I find contractors to be much more emphasized on how much kick guns have which I am personally not a fan of.
Idk. Tabor definitely feels better in the recoil and weapon handling department. As an avid shooter with land to frequently shoot in my free time, I think tabor has the recoil and the sound designs pretty spot on. I find contractors to be much more emphasized on how much kick guns have which I am personally not a fan of.
I hope the developers never listen to your criticism. I don't agree with a single word you said. Everything you said is the reason why I prefer Exfilzone. Go back to Tabor and I hope I never see you in Exfilzone.
Bro they just changed it to 9.99 and it’s free for solo players. You only have to pay if you want to play with your teammates, and only the party leader needs it. It also comes with 3/4 gun skins and gun charms.
Genuinely the only thing that ur doing tht is pissing me off is claiming that they’re just gonna make it an open beta like you were contractors Dev and have inside information, btw THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR MORE TIME WITH GAME = LESS UPDATED BEING PUSHED , and I wouldn’t say gots guns feel better still completely broken on quest for the most part, sounds are good on Got tho
I mean, you got good points here. But I just want more updates. I know that people wanna play the game, but it's more important they focus on the quality. If this game comes out like "meh, good enough" it will guarantee have another Contractors Showdown moment and die out.
@ I get what you’re saying, but I think your video comes across as a little too comedic and you can’t really get your points across, although I think it’s an interesting strategy to poke fun at developers to make them see your vid
@jakeypants_YT i was wondering why my weapon felt like it weighed 1000kgs when I was moving it while aiming. I put weapon smoothing to 0 and its very responsive.
So i mean ghost of tabor is heavily inspired from escape of tarkov its like you would say ghost of tabor stop copying from tarkov but tabor is still better then exfill zone
I gotta argue with you greande wise, but I think Showdown has the best system for throwing nades in VR, the biggest problem with vr Throwing is that devs don't manage to make a speed/force of throwing that works properly, I never properly threw a nade on Tabor because it would just go way too far with a small underhand throw or just not go far at all with overhand throw, with Showdown I can throw nades where I want because of the arm aim system, they should add a system to have manul throwing for those who wants but I 100% keep the aimins system personally.
I would be totally fine with just adding the option for manual. In contractors OG. Their throwing is extremely good. Always been a fan and would rather have that. Showdowns throwing makes sense also, but just feels so wrong in the realistic ExfilZone for me.
People who think Contractors guns feel better to shoot are people that have only shot nerf/airsoft their whole like. Tabor nailed the feeling of shooting a real gun and in comparison Contractors feels like shooting light guns at a Chucky Cheese. If they bring their gun handling more in line with GOT I would be much more inclined to play it.
1) Tabor guns are terrible and I cant believe you could compare them to EZ 2) OG Contractors does NOT have the best throwing, VAIL 100% does Honestly I think your just bitching about little things
They didn't abandon anything quite yet. They recently updated contractors, their first game, and the mod kit for it. As for battle royale, it's a dying mode anyway. I told my buddies before showdown launched that it was doomed to fail because of timing. We can't be mad at a company moving directions to keep player base/revenue. It only makes sense.
That flip fopping ya'll might be experiencing from me. That is called having good and bad opinions about the same game without joining a cult of one. If you truly think I flipflop show me an exact example of when I contradicted myself. I bet you can't. Like and sub 😘
Its called being manipulated
Thank you so much for your honesty for everyone. Even if a lot of stupid kids are gonna comment on this and hate
@@jakeypants_YT I CANT believe I'm saying this but Taylor Swift said it best.... Players gonna play-play- play and Haters gonna hate-hate-hate.... Or some shit like that🤷
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@adambeckman1278 BAHAHA you got balls for quoting the swiftie. Love you
1:42 Tabor sounds are just louder and with less quality, also the gun play in Exfill Zone is 100x times better since its been refined in like 4 years with Contractors and Showdown
More than 6 years even, I played Contractors beta in late 2018 after being in beta for a while.
It's very clear that the Contractors devs care a LOT about polishing the gameplay, because the way gear and reloads and stuff is handled in Contractors is _so good_ compared to everything else.
Also.. Tabor weapons and gear interactions is pretty much bottom tier, cause the dev is either talentless or just doesn't care about the core mechanics of a shooter. As a contractors boy, Tabor was straight up unplayable. Using the weapons just feels like total shit. I can't remember any shooter that does it worse off the top of my head... Yeah, can't remember a single one, and I've played every VR FPS known to man.
I don't even take the Tabor devs seriously anymore. I log in once every 6 months or so to have a look, and it's been shit for years... How is that even possible.. They could have just copied any other game and it would be better..
Hell, the worst Contractors mods have far, FAR better guns than Tarkov. It's nuts.
Tarkov only has players because it's alone in the market. People have just gotten used to the game being trash. I've been there, I've played some trash in my day because no one else was making games like that. Operation Flashpoint ran at 20fps MAX back in the early 2000s. Nothing else did what Operation Flashpoint did.. So I played the jankiest game of all time for a few thousand hours..
No one stayed on OFP once ArmA came out (same dev, functioning game..) The same will happen to Tabor. People say it's hard to go back to Tabor already after playing the _alpha_ version of Contractors xfil.. That's bad news for the tabor devs. Their game feels rough compared to an alpha.......
yeah i'm of the same opinion- i'm happy to trade a little realism for a more enjoyable gunplay loop. If i wanted insta kills then i could just go out and play airsoft, but I want gunfights to actually involve a bit of shot trading
Day 1: the contractors devs suck!
Day 2: the tabor devs suck!
Day 3: my bad, my bad, I’ll chill out don’t worry…
Day 4: the contractors devs suck!
They all suck, but for different reasons :P
I don’t disagree!
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PCVR performance is ass, I dropped a gun during raid load in and it’s gone now. Exfil has ways to go and the audio holy fuck that is a mess
Hot take: I actually like the scuffed audio. In Tarkov when you hear someone’s footsteps it turns you into a situational rat because why would you give up your position and not just hold? In Exfil zone everyone hears everyone’s footsteps but no one knows where anyone is so I just push and I notice most other players do the same.
lmao great point. I actually have been enjoying it also
I can’t stand tabor audio bc it be sounding like I’m 50 feet away it’s horrible
they didn't copy them, tabor doesn't own exfil games
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Honestly for me, as someone who solely plays on quest for both exfil and got, exfil will always be superior for one reason alone... no reprojection! Got uses application space warp and for a competitive shooter this is a huge problem. It puts u at a severe disadvantage against pc players where exfil runs without application spacewarp. It's just a better experience on quest as a whole which is the platform 99% of people are going to expect both these games on
man. good point there. I will remember this. thanks
Good point. I will say they should not prioritize quest 100%. Many people (Myself in included) play pc vr and are loveing this game.
Audio is trash I can’t play exfil for longer than two rounds with the bugs too. Hopefully it’s decent when it comes out
I also think the insistent naming of "the tabor killer" isn't helping it. When you call something a ___ killer it has a hard time leaving its shadow and really only serves as a backup game for when you're mad or bored of the game its getting compared to. Think like Arena Breakout or Grayzone Warfare, Both of these games are pretty decent (ehh maybe not grayzone) but because they were both labeled the "tarkov killer" they died out pretty quick as their player base just went back to tarkov.
you sir are a gent and a scholar. good take
I wish the tabor devs will just stop adding useless dlcs and focus on the main game itself, and start adding new guns or attachments.
I also disliked the fact that it took them soo long just to add the holo sight by itself and called it a new "sight"
right. agreed
Also, you're 100% right about the whole collision thing with guns. I've had the same issue a ton, where you'll have a rifle on the front waist and you can't bring up your rifle to aim it, because it keeps getting all hung up on the gun on your waist. You have to hold the gun crazy high up and even then you can't get a proper sight picture. That crap gets you killed very fast.
Oh yeah. It's gotten me killed a few times. Kills the vibe a lot. It fells better recently, but I am still testing things
The gun sounds can be better, yes. But honestly these guns feel *way* better than tabor’s.
I agree it's just the bugs for me
@@jakeypants_YTI haven’t listened to the whole video yet but isn’t the game in open beta?
@@Orphanagekiller3000 open alpha
One of my big issues with EZ is like you said the guns, which really surprises me for a game like contractors which has pretty good guns. I overall like the grenade system, but I think they should have it be 1. an opt-in type thing, or 2. have it be a hybrid where you still can throw the nade regularly but with more guidance.
100%. I was thinking all the same things here
i’m sure these things will be changed considering the fact that the game isnt even fully released yet and they are constantly fixing things. Im not really a huge fan of ghosts of tabor due to random bugs that could screw up a whole run that happen at the worst times and the over all feel of the game.
Yeah I had something similar happening in this game. I would die do to some game breaking bug. It was annoying
I do hope these things are fixed because the game has huge potential. An annoying thing I think they need to fix is the whole spawn killing during scav raids and the atrocious accuracy with the irons. other than that good video🤙
I feel people keep throwing around the word “Tabor killer” without any thought in it, of the hundreds of thousands of people who bought the game their not gonna drop it because of this, is the game good, yes, is it perfect, far from it.
nothing will kill tabor except for tabor.
Straight up facts, I didn't stop playing tabor because of exfil, I stopped because of tabor, the game will eventually kill itself lol.
My biggest gripes so far are that scavs are OP af (they are bullet sponges, but they have AP ammo and they respawn in raid), and everything from traders costs an insane amount of money for basic items. Scavs in this game are 10 times harder than Tabor and there's tons of them. They basically leech all your ammo and heals before you run into actual players, and then you have nothing. I've had to settle for peanuts, doing fast little 5 minute Metro raids, just to grab a few things to get a tiny amount of money and that's not how the game is meant to be played. The difficulty/learning curve is steep for this game, especially playing as a single player, even for seasoned VR players. Also, the audio must be global, because when you're getting shot at, you hear it from all different angles, which gets you killed, because you can't perceive directionally where it's coming from.
Didn't they update the recoil system via ragesaq request. And I think different grain of bullets (not caliber) determines how strong the impact will be.. and what you're experiencing with the gun is actually the controllers desyncing and i think its from the volume of size on the map
hmm interesting. I noticed the bug kicked in when I ran. but it was happening a lot.
@jakeypants_YT i tend to holster the gun and unholster to shake it off
The gun jank tracking loss is a bug with mags you manually topped off, happens rarely but if you swap mags its gtg
Think just as long as they keeps the updates coming we’ll be just as patient if not more like we are with tabor
they better or I will have videos of more complaining. Nobody wants that lol
I started watching the video (not done yet) and I was so confused for a minute till you talked about dlcs and I realized you were joking lol
yeah sorry. my delivery is so bad lmao
@ No you’re fine 😂
I got evidence to back up 3:03 lol. Yesterday I was in a raid after the wipe and I had went looting, ending with what would’ve been most likely 500000 credits from how much stuff I had. Suddenly there’s a guy and now I’m playing ring around the Rosie with him around a wall, before remembering I had a grenade. I pull it out, and aim the line over the wall, but not too far that it misses entirely. You could only imagine my reaction to this black hissing potato I had thrown sitting at my feet. First wipe happens right after I get ark to level 2, then this? Shet.
lol it's a process. Lets get this game WORKING!
@@jakeypants_YT update: I am have gotten my missing levels back and more, and I had more fun with this than I ever had with tabor :)
@@PossiblyGoober alright! heck yeah brother. I hope this game lives up to all of your expectations!
It’s cool to see some Tarkov esque elements in VR, even if it’s not in Tabor, and I hope the competition will be healthy for both of them. I would much rather have Scav runs, better missions with vendor lore/writing, deeper health system, stats on weapons/armor/munitions, robust bunker system, better leaning, loot bins, better attachments, and deadly AI in Tabor.
Cus for as much as EZ has that stuff, they also have worse sound overall, the force grabbing hands is awful for this mode, grenade throw in VR should be manual, pinging with the map tool is arcadey, the guns feel like they weigh nothing, the crouch function is on my aim joystick, I spawn in and exfil in black screen but can take dmg anyways, and there’s sliding. (notice I didn’t mention anything, like armor/dmg being inconsistent, that can be attributed to “well it’s in alpha”). These things are all leftovers from Showdown that make a Tarkov like worse. Imo ofc.
I think the road ahead will be tough for both of them. Tabor wants to do all those Tarkov things, but man I’m getting impatient for them to get their weight up. And EZ has to shed lots fat with all the SD leftovers. Both are fun tho ngl.
so im really new to extraction shooters even tho i played tabor and xfil, whats the difference between scav and contractor? how does it all work?
it's a loaded question only because of the system and it's intended elements to the game. Definitely jump in and try it out and do some googling on it to. very cool feature.
Scav is ai unless it’s a player scav but they usually look cheaper and have some non armored clothes on them small kit
Also if you kill a player scav they will all agro you and you’re basically a player now
You can tell by their walking animation if it’s ai or not
And players are usually kitted
I had the weapon slowdown too, fixed it by turning off weapon and scope smoothing in the settings!
ohhh ! thank you ❤
ngl contractors legit took ghosts of tabor and did the things tabor failed to do
How do you actually play bc the link to the Google form is broken I think and I don't see another channel for the version in my quest (sorry I'm stupid)
check the contractors showdown discord. It is in there
Thanks mate :)
“I’ll break your bones.”
Uhhh ok….
Lmao. With a gun…
I feel like the raids last too long. I've had 3 or 4 raids where I fire a round maybe 5 minutes in and someone will camp a door for 10 minutes without any punishment. If you get in a raid at the start you could literally camp for like 40 minutes and still extract with probably a minute or two left.
Let me ask you this, do you like the grenade throwing in tabor? Because if you do bless YOUR soul brother, impact grenades are unusable because half the time it flys out my hand at 90 degrees straight into the wall, and don’t get me started on trying to throw a grenade DOWN a floor like in silo, it’s literally impossible… so yes I will take this system over that bs, although yes contractors had some of the smoothest nade throw of any vr game I’ve personally played
yeah. I get it. I so hate tabors throwing. I am frustrated because OG contractors has such good throwing and they wont add it into this game.
aim smoothing in my experience is affected by framerate. on quest 2, the game will lag and stutter a little bit, which makes the guns feel like they lag behind. I fixed this by just setting gun smoothing to 0. ive not had this issue on pcvr though, but im assuming its because my game doesn't have frame issues on pc
I’ll try this
@ I don’t think there’s much issue with it anymore actually, I’m noticing that performance on the quest 2 has been improved dramatically. I rarely stutter or lag after wipe
1. Guns IMO are only bad because some weapons need to get better attachments. I do agree the sounds could be better, idk why they sound likentheyre muffled behind a pringles can, but i agree there. Also, i think the aim smoothing setting could be the reason why it feels like it lags behind.
Thats a settings issue that I think ahould be fixed as well. I dont like it either and decided to just use no aim smoothing until its fixed.
2. Realism =/= Fun
Grenade physics are hard to master as a dev. I think also you have to think about peoples rooms and how small some of them are. I think this option is great because ive always had issues with throwing grenades unless i had a knucklegrip on my Quest 3 controllers. (Many dont have these, so the difficulty of people having to throw their controllers across the room is increased because its immersive.)
So, I stand that these grenade throw setting is fine, but i do think a adjustment to how far you want to throw those grenades. Like a slider on your thumbstick to adjust how far it goes.
Though, ive never played OG contractors, idk how it felt to throw the items in that game. So i think its just a nice setting to have.
3. Virtual Gunstock, Aim Smoothing, and other settings similar to that can explain so much for aim assist. But i do agree, that it should be better adjusted. Sometimes, I think holding weapons while using that stuff can be annoying. So this point I agree with.
But, even though this game is a carbon copy of Tarkov, i dont think its a total bad thing (so long they dont go a EA route of monetization.)
At the end of the day, it does need some help and change. So hopefully the devs are listening to suggestions and feedback forbthese fixes to happen.
Grenade auto throw needs to get scrapped completely, and aim assist is insulting as hell in these games! What sells me is the map density and unnecessary types of loot and actualhard AI that i hope gets another difficultybuff. Other then that still millions of times better then tabor even in this broken buggy state!
honestly I think everyone is just pumped on having a nice new map that feels militant and huge. I think that’s Exfil zones best feature 🤷🏻♂️.
Honestly loving it now that I have stepped in for a while.
My biggest flex in 10 years of gaming? I've never intentionally used Aim Assist not once and I never will. If I'm bad, I'll own it and improve, rather than leaning on 'training wheels' that don’t actually teach you anything. And YES, the grenade throwing does need fixing this is a VR game, lol! The whole fun of grenades in VR is throwing them like a mercenary (without any real mercenary training), and not with some training wheels (auto throw)
Trining wheels KILL me in VR games
Aim assist and spongy damage are the two things that made me refund Showdown. I was hoping they would change this for Exfill but it seems it's still the same.
Don’t think those reasons are flop worthy when tabor has had the same shitty bugs like weapon handling always having to readjust when ads and it collides with your vest
I have two words for you my friend. Contractors Showdown. Arguably a great game, but lost most peoples interest. These types of "accessibility" mechanics are the types of things that make people bored fast.
Big fan of Tabor,but they're in trouble. As someone who has spent many hours in tarkov I can tell you xfil zone is much closer to that experience. Its also feature rich with mechanics that got doesn't have.
It's been out for a week or two but has less bugs than ghost of tabor had 2 wipes ago
I’m my opinion this is still the GOT killer because the gunplay feels better and the health system feels better which also THIS IS AN ALPHA so we still give it time but so far it’s showing and the showdown nade throwing is nice but nothing bets Vail nades
bring back manual throwing 😢
once vail gets extraction mode started…. Let’s just say combat waffle might go a bit bankrupt
Really hard to understand the video, what's sarcasm and what's not :P
Exfilzone has huge potential, but needs a lot of polish, not just 3 things ...
Regarding grenades, for me what made them useless was the timer, too long.
And gun sounds I can live with that, but footsteeps are awful ... even worst than in tabor, that are really bad. I want onward footsteps !!!!
good feedback. I am pretty monotone. I like the footsteps in this game. Makes it easier to track players. GOT is still better though I agree.
I agree sooooo much about throwing mechanics. Not gonna say I'm great at throwing in normal contractors, but I'm not great at throwing in real life either, and that's cool. I mess up, I laugh, I move on with my day. That's how it should be, that's FUN!
Using what feels like a slingshot to just spjoooing a grenade fricken 200 feet and hitting a dude square in the jaw is just super dumb. I have no idea why devs do this.. Grenades aren't supposed to be super accurate, even if the guy throwing is really good at throwing.
Contractors VR damn near nailed throwing IMO and everyone should just do what they do. Throwing in an arcing fashion over the shoulder style actually works really well in that game. And when I do get a good throw and kill someone, it feels super satisfying. In Showdown it just feels like I'm cheating. Might as well have like a view-locked launcher like in Firewall Ultra at that point...
Totally agree.
first minute got mad, realized i was getting rage baited. Good Rage bait man
Edit, holy shit man you are fire, i would get mad and then relize right after
lol -8 subs so far buddy!
I just realized it was ragebait too
@@jakeypants_YTwhat? Am I losing subs or you?
@@Mr.Monkey181 me
They also should get rid of the AR layers and HUDs, in real combat - you don't get health data or how many bullets you've got in the mag. It's VR, not a flat screen game! I like GOT as a tactical shooter for Veterans, but Exfilzone has a potential too. Drop arcade crap!
Totally agree. Not enough people have this take.
@jakeypants_YT well, that's why vets are waiting for Geronimo VR. We want realism. 😉
@@AviBarel I like the extraction shooters though. I am not sure Geronimo will have that game mode, but it looks great though.
@@jakeypants_YT Me too. That's why competition is great for them to take inspiration and ideas from each other. But nothing is exciting after trying military grade VR Mil-sims with real / airsoft weapons.
Dude I couldn’t find negativity on this game until the moment I bought it then this video shows up…
It’s important to be critical about things with a lot of hype.
Original idea?!?! Tabor stole everything from escape from tarkov
WHAT. I’ve never heard of this
@ I just went back and heard what you said. I’m an idiot. Lmao
I want GOT guns and sounds with everything else from exfil zone put together and we got our extraction shooter masterpiece
The gun mechanics in exfil are far better. You can't just fill auto everything in sight. If you ever shoot irl, you already this is to be true.
I do agree with this quite a lot
You can just full auto and hit the target that's was literally how the usa won most fights in ww2 but back to the point you can but the accuracy might be bad
I feel like this will turn into a Arena Breakout Vs Tarkov Situation again because arena breakout aka "Tarkov Killer" has so far still a high player count over tarkov but as far as we know now arena breakout has took some of tarkovs players now will abi be better then Tarkov IMO NO but it still fills that gap for those who want a extraction shooter but not to hardcore
and there's where i feel exfil & tabor will stand
Exfil Zone "Tarkov" More gritty hardcore Etc etc
Tabor "Arena Breakout" a bit more causal still giving you that same feel but without being to much
IMO I Prefer the gritty hardcore gameplay so i feel personally Exfil Feels My Needs & has the stuff I & many people have been asking for in tabor
But also im sick of the devs BS 6 Months all we got is
-$13 Training mode
-Skins For certain guns
-New Map
-Slightly new AI
-"1" New Gun (witch is crazy asf to me to add in 6 months)
Basically all the talk about island expansion Or Leaning Or Scav Raids basically nun of that is coming
and then you have there biggest creators (not name dropping) Playing the game more then tabor bc tabor rn is stale as a box of salt crackers
yeah I totally agree. Tabor devs seem really determined though and games take forever to make so we will see who truly comes out on top. so far Exfil is looking very promising and only needs to work out a few bugs to get right. Tabor has a marathon that we are expected to pay full price before it even leaves the starting line.
Ironic how he mocked exfilzone for copying tabor (cough) (cough) tabor is a tarkov copy down to the logo 💀
That would be the joke 🤣
The alpha extentions are understable with how horrible the meta ui experience is, but the bones are there to make this game so much better. Never had a chance to use grenades cause i would die to some bot i couldn't see or a corner camper, so i hope the gunplay at least gets some much needed improvement
Wait there's fucking aim assist?
yes and it's a sin to god himself to have in a VR game
The problem with Tabor is the gameplay. It straight up sucks, is boring as fuck, and is 90% kill quests. Exfil Zone, bugs and all, is still infinitely more amounts of fun.
EZ needs to update audio some more, fix audio location in metro especially but also in general, and make the guns feel a bit better/able to be calibrated. Aside from that, and the annoying as fuck stats penalty for dying, EZ is spot on. Also didn't even notice an aim assist option. Are you talking about weapon smoothing? Tabor also has this.
Personally love exfil over Tabor. It can and hopefully will get better. I really hope they continue working on it
(Also why do some people believe they are copying tabor. Its a fucking extraction they dont own them. There both trying to be like tarkov. There both good in there own ways, ppl just gotta deal with it)
I still think Tabor will be crazy some day, but yeah I like Exfil far more right now. And it's probably because they are a bunch of kids who have never heard of Tarkov lmao
@jakeypants_YT Yeah Tabor is definitely gonna be crazy. It's crazy to think kids who really like Tabor and or exfil have never heard of tarkov. Cuz I feel like someone's got to mention it at least once to them
Yes but you have to keep in mind that tabor is still doing the dlc crap, making the game pay to win. I might switch over to extol zone just because
Totally agree. I just want to make sure I am being critical for both games.
Bros the ultimate rage bait
complaining about an open alpha having bugs is like willingly taking food out the oven 10 minutes early then calling it raw.
Calling a game Alpha when they never panned on removing it for further development is like when your mom told you that it was just her “friend” sleeping over 🥲
lol someones pressed coz hes a little too slow to consider how long a games been in development, no wonder all ur videos are aloada yap about games "failing" or being "doomed" bruh put the fries in the bag pal😭🙏
I think doomed is an exaggeration, as Tabor has been doing just fine with an equal, if not greater number of pitfalls. However, pretty much everything you mentioned that needed to be fixed is true. Contractors games have always had Arcady gun sounds, which doesn't translate well at all to this genre.
Also, scavs just don't react to getting shot, which is an issue in many games that just kills immersion. Armor or not some of these guns are imparting about 1000 J on impact. That's gonna hurt no matter what you're wearing.
Also grenade assist is arcady and immersion breaking-may work for a battle royal but not an extraction shooter.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by aim assist? I haven't noticed it.
I want it to succeed I personally think combat waffle is a pretty scummy dev team
Me too. But I have to be critical.
You need to put your ammo mags on the lowest part of your body so the gun doesnt hit them. And with the gun weighing a lot suddenly like you mentioned, me personally i havent had that happen to me yet so im probably just lucky. Ive been enjoying the guns so far but they could make them more distinct from each other.
The gun should never collide with pouches regardless of where they're attached, but sometimes, they just get glitched and have a collision with weapons.
I agree with you, they should make it to where it doesn't have collision on yourself at the very least. But what ive been doing is moving my mag holders lower so it doesn't do that when I need to aim and shoot.
The glaze to return back to tabor
I made 2$ in a dono last night so dont touch me, im the best😂😂...OMG shit had me rollin' man😅
lmao! hell yeah. I am so happy to get a smile on someone
W take. I’ve loved the idea of this game but based on videos I’ve seen I haven’t had interest in trying it myself. Just doesn’t look very polished which makes sense for an alpha, but like you said this is basically an open beta now
RIGHT! Yeah man. you smell the roses and by roses I mean bullshit
I agree but lets be honest they can fix alot of these things lol unlike tabor...
I think so. Lets get to it!
Exfil zones also free, better physics, and everything he’s complained about is why it’s a game test and they didn’t copy anything from tabor it’s from tarkov ty ty
very true. Honesty is key
So u went from loving the game to hating it like what is going on
"nuance"
noun
a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound.
"the nuances of facial expression and body language"
probably because I am not in a brainwash cult like all the "glazers" and "Haters out here" I do like the game. just don't like certain things about it.
Oh ok
bro yapping about aim assist when he misses 15 bullets
Gotta disagree about the guns i think they are far superior in exfil they feel more responsive to me ive spent a large amount of my life firing guns and the recoil is more accurate and the scopes are actually functional cant see anything through tabors scopes none of these points are gamebreaking to me personally but i respect your opinion
true true. I appreciate your input here being I have likely shot less guns than you. Canada and all 😒
Idk. Tabor definitely feels better in the recoil and weapon handling department. As an avid shooter with land to frequently shoot in my free time, I think tabor has the recoil and the sound designs pretty spot on. I find contractors to be much more emphasized on how much kick guns have which I am personally not a fan of.
Idk. Tabor definitely feels better in the recoil and weapon handling department. As an avid shooter with land to frequently shoot in my free time, I think tabor has the recoil and the sound designs pretty spot on. I find contractors to be much more emphasized on how much kick guns have which I am personally not a fan of.
I hope the developers never listen to your criticism. I don't agree with a single word you said. Everything you said is the reason why I prefer Exfilzone. Go back to Tabor and I hope I never see you in Exfilzone.
no 😂
A game who wants $13 for pve.... Nah.... Aint supporting that...
Bro they just changed it to 9.99 and it’s free for solo players. You only have to pay if you want to play with your teammates, and only the party leader needs it. It also comes with 3/4 gun skins and gun charms.
Biggest tabor glazer right here ^^^
@@jakeypants_YT nah just saying facts.
@sillyjerboaguy you mean "lies" you got that mixed up
@@jakeypants_YT wdym by lies?
KrankyPants
I have never read such an accurate comment 👀
i never noticed aim assist, the guns act normal for me
Hearing you talk, I can hear all the bias
I have no bias. I was manufactured in a lab to be the first biological being to never feel bias toward anything. Can't be true
Genuinely the only thing that ur doing tht is pissing me off is claiming that they’re just gonna make it an open beta like you were contractors Dev and have inside information, btw THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR MORE TIME WITH GAME = LESS UPDATED BEING PUSHED , and I wouldn’t say gots guns feel better still completely broken on quest for the most part, sounds are good on Got tho
I mean, you got good points here. But I just want more updates. I know that people wanna play the game, but it's more important they focus on the quality. If this game comes out like "meh, good enough" it will guarantee have another Contractors Showdown moment and die out.
@ I get what you’re saying, but I think your video comes across as a little too comedic and you can’t really get your points across, although I think it’s an interesting strategy to poke fun at developers to make them see your vid
@@huh_brandon869 yeah I keep trying to be constructive somewhere in all that shit talk, but idk. I'll change things up
@@huh_brandon869 true. I am trying to have something constructive in all of my shit talk, but I will change things up
Agree 💯 on everything in this video!
You are the only one lmao. Thanks bro 🙏
True drop the nade aimbot arm
Most of this is fixed now tbh
Change gun smoothing in settings...
I'll mess with it
@jakeypants_YT i was wondering why my weapon felt like it weighed 1000kgs when I was moving it while aiming. I put weapon smoothing to 0 and its very responsive.
So i mean ghost of tabor is heavily inspired from escape of tarkov its like you would say ghost of tabor stop copying from tarkov but tabor is still better then exfill zone
yes. That was the joke... lmao
Oh how the tables turn🤣🤣
ghost of tabor is the beast
I gotta argue with you greande wise, but I think Showdown has the best system for throwing nades in VR, the biggest problem with vr Throwing is that devs don't manage to make a speed/force of throwing that works properly, I never properly threw a nade on Tabor because it would just go way too far with a small underhand throw or just not go far at all with overhand throw, with Showdown I can throw nades where I want because of the arm aim system, they should add a system to have manul throwing for those who wants but I 100% keep the aimins system personally.
I would be totally fine with just adding the option for manual. In contractors OG. Their throwing is extremely good. Always been a fan and would rather have that. Showdowns throwing makes sense also, but just feels so wrong in the realistic ExfilZone for me.
ngl i played both got and exfil people are glazing the hell out exfill tabor just beter ngl
btw my grandma better then me at GoT
damn alot of dislikes on this video
Bro tabor copy a other game to💀
you didn't get the joke did you 💀💀💀
People who think Contractors guns feel better to shoot are people that have only shot nerf/airsoft their whole like. Tabor nailed the feeling of shooting a real gun and in comparison Contractors feels like shooting light guns at a Chucky Cheese. If they bring their gun handling more in line with GOT I would be much more inclined to play it.
Store is escape from tarcov and ghost of tabor dummy grenade throwing is beder than ghost of tabor because you can achale throw the ganaed
bro went from glazing to hateing
1) Tabor guns are terrible and I cant believe you could compare them to EZ
2) OG Contractors does NOT have the best throwing, VAIL 100% does
Honestly I think your just bitching about little things
you know what. ffffffffffff you are right.
@ I always am :)
Tabors guns feel like janky firearms. Exfilzones feel like polished nail guns. Thats kind of my problem with the guns
🤔Tabor stole everything from escape from tarkov, even half the name .
WHAT. Why is this is first time hearing about this?
only 15 hours
Why are you so angry 😂
I am perfectly happy wdym?
there both copying tarkov...
Love this game
Just commented this to stop someone from saying first btw.
@@LocalElf haha love it!
We all 100% know this game will fail because of the developers history of abandoning games
and you should not expect anything more until they prove themselves in my opinion.
They didn't abandon anything quite yet. They recently updated contractors, their first game, and the mod kit for it. As for battle royale, it's a dying mode anyway. I told my buddies before showdown launched that it was doomed to fail because of timing. We can't be mad at a company moving directions to keep player base/revenue. It only makes sense.
I feel like you're on damage control
-4 subs. I am doing to opposite brother!
@jakeypants_YT get rekt
Jk
@@4WeAreTheRelentless 😂😂 you have me lol ing over here
XD
Ain’t no way there is aim assist, I play tabor and my aim is insane but in This game it’s hot buns.
bad guns in Contractors? aim assist sucks though.