Model X, e-tron, I-Pace and EQC charging comparison
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2019
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e-tron 10-80% in 26 minutes, 234 km added EPA, 9 km in 1 minute
EQC 10-80% in 38 minutes, 247 km added EPA estimate, 6,5 km in 1 minute
I-Pace 10-80% in 47 minutes, 264 km added EPA, 6 km in 1 minute
Model X 10-80% in 47 minutes, 367 km added EPA, 8 km in 1 minute
Taycan 10-80% in 20 minutes, ~248 km added EPA, 12.4 km in 1 minute
Model 3 LR on Ionity: 10-80% in 26 minutes, 349 km added EPA, 13.4 km in 1 minute
Model 3 LR on Supercharger V3: 10-80% in 22 minutes, 349 km added EPA, 15.9 km in 1 minute
@@rafaelo1 lmao
@@MrGoogle87 I've used Bjorns figures and plotted all on graphs here: State of Charge %, State of Charge kWh, Bjorn Range at 90km/h and 120km/h and added range for both too:
imgur.com/pqedIsO
Thank you.. much more relevant... Even better would be : How long to add 200 Kim’s epa (starting at 10%)
I would still like to see model x raven on a supercharger v3! I don`t think ionity can ramp up as supercharger! It doesn`t work for model 3 so why should we assume that it capped model x?
Omg Björn you are awesome describing 4 charging screens at once. I was laughing so much! Thanks you
yeah, that was so much fun. I immediately thought about those actions guys speaking very fast and they you showed in the video as ... I was laughing so hard :D
Amazing charging speed. That's something I can dream about with my Zoe.
Well, some people can only dream about having a Zoe.
@@shakealgoritham861 In that case, I guess some people dream about having electricity to charge their dream car. LOL (but it's not funny). If it has to stay a dream then dream about a great car charging fast. You don't have to limit your dream.
@@Cloxxki You are nice but you know a lot more of the 1% richest people drive a car which cost about 45000€ or more. No need to be a billionaire or even a millionaire to do that. Yes it's not cheap but still. look around you... you have a lot of those car everywhere, and no, I'm not in a top richest people area. So instead they could buy a Tesla with no problem at all new or not new.
@@Cloxxki Nonsense, it' about expenses and priorty. I've very, very far from a 1% er and can afford a model 3 if I want. People have different circumstances, e.g. if you have no kids, don't smoke, don't take foreigh holidays etc. etc. you could afford one. People also afford other $50k cars ... There is also this novel concept of saving. I've saved for over 10 years to be able to afford one.
Or are you saying everyone in "1st world" countries is amongst the top 1% of wealthy people world wide? I doubt it, but do show some data if this is true.
To think that 2 years ago everyone was moaning that EVs would never improve.
Bjorn is now presenting that the bar has been raised!
You deserve a cowboy hat and play with the big boys.
Bjorn can you make a video of these cars adding 300km of range starting at 10% battery? Calculate what SOC would be 300km of range over a 10% minimum for each car and then show how long it takes all 4 of these cars to add that much in range!
better from 30-40 km range left, than from 10%. The percentage means a different range for each car.
System error: Me stopped working due to stack overflow. Cannot process comparison.
7:59 with 2x speed is pure joy
More exciting than a soccer match :p
Thanks Bjorn, excellent video, both informative and entertaining with your horsing around.
I choose battery health over charging speed any day of the week. We will have to wait and see what the degradation is like with these other EV’s
Like E-Tron has pretty big buffer, so as to range you won't see any degredation as they can make this buffer smaller, but you will have lower charging speed in the future.
@@JeanPierreWhite charging in 30-40mn. I am not sure how you could discharge at that speed. At 200km/h on highway, yes, i reached around 90-100kW but this is not like I am at 200-220km/h often and surely not for 40mn long.
@@EVPaddy Imagine in 300k km how many life cycles will e-tron have and how many will model x!!! And also, battery abuse in terms of charging rates and discharging rates as
Jean-Pierre White said! That e-tron better have best battery technology available...
Great video as always and hilarious with the auctioneer comparison 😆
See you at the next cattle auction Bjørn:-)
What matters is what happens on trip like your 1000kms tests, we know that etron and X are equal and others a little slower but nothing to cry over
Another great video Bjorn, thank you!
Very good video ... is really interesting to see how the charging behavior of each car is.
Great work Bjorn.
That was an f-ing awesome video :D af ew more vids like this and you'll be on the same level as the texan commentator, Bjorn!
Looking forward to see the next video where efficiency will be also taken into account cuz the charging (percentage and speed) alone is not enough to understand these three unique EVs.
I am also curious to see how well the battery SoH of the e-tron and the EQC will keep up after years! Fun times to be around! :)
See my graphs here:
imgur.com/pqedIsO
Great video and I did not know that rattling numbers can be so entertaining. But like a lot of others have asked for the charging time for 100km, 200km and 300km load would be great.
Yes good video. I also have seen the Taycan charge, and that’s just crazy. But yes 100-150 is a good speed for the big batteries if you want a lunch. Thanks for the comparison
Its so good to see you back in the optimus prime studio. Best looking "studio" so far!
Thanks for the Video. It shows that for today, we have more Options than only Tesla when it comes to the Question if other EVs are capable to do long trips with it. Go ahead, Björn. In you words: "Das ist guut" :)
Hmm what if they cut into the battery's buffer more and that's what helped the Raven motors gain all that extra range.
Interesting thought.
I love your comment on the race of EV's charging, just like a sports journalist, perfect! :D :D :D
Funny episode Bjorn 😂👍
Yes, Model3 pack is a format change and pack redesign. However, the 100 pack is not quite 2012 tech. After adding some stuff to the 85 pack to turn it into a 90...the did do a redesign for the 100 pack. They called it 'version 3 pack design' if I remember correctly. So it is 2015 ish tech 😉. Model 3 like performance or better is probably available in S and X with Plaid powertrain.
Finally a video to make me feel good about my old pre-raven Model X, until Tesla decides to upgrade the battery pack with Plaid Powertrain.
Great video! Can you do the same test showing KM instead of %?
Very interesting. Thank you.
8:00.. daaayyyym, you sound like a proper sports commentator :D
Thanks your Videos are Great
Thanks for the hilarious video Bjorn. And as a fanboi I second the notion for a distance of range added per time rematch :-)
Time to add 250, 300, 350km WLTP from 10% SOC may be the most fair metric.
See here, I tabulated and graphed the results :
imgur.com/pqedIsO
I wonder if e-tron will have alot of battery degradation after a few years, due to the high charging speed.
Fun comparison
Also look at EPA MPGe highway and city. If you lower your speed from EPA highway (75 mph) to a 65 or 55 mph the range will ramp up better in some of these cars than in others.
See here, I tabulated and graphed the results, and calculated range added at 90km/h and 120km/hr using Bjorns figures.
imgur.com/pqedIsO
Yes, please do make a follow up with added km / time, and please calibrate it to km range at 120 km/h (the most common speed that folks drive on the longer trips where HPC use is most relevant). Worth calculating for 15, 20, 25 minutes, 30 and perhaps 45 minutes and 1 hour (full meal break). Cheers.
See here, I tabulated and graphed the results :
i.imgur.com/C6iRmgF.png
The CCS maintains a faster charge rate beyond 50%, but supercharger seems to fall off. Does the same happen on V3 superchargers, or has the issue been fixed now ? I usually start around 15% and end charging around 80%.
Excellent
E-tron is schnell.
Yes indeed we enjoyed it! You should consider a second career as sportcommentator!
And please make that follow-up video. Or even better, calculate the kW:s into km charged, how many kilometers will be added every minute at the chargeingstation.
perhaps you should charge each car for 30 minutes and see which one goes farthest.
A graph of cumulative KWh added to the battery on the Y axis and time on the X axis would be the best comparison in my opinion.
Would be nice if you had a list with time and average chargingpower during the whole 10-90% session for every car. And also include the average km pro stunde charging speed, based on each car 90km/h rangetest.
They manage the charging completely different. Now, it would be interesting to see if those differences are going to have an impact on the battery life or not.
I'm interested in the relative battery degradation rates. It'll be a few years before we can judge that, of course....
Charging speed comparison for model 3 and other small cars. Thanks
Great horse racing comments ;-) Very interesting but it is easier to compare them with the 1.000 km challenge. My conclusion: all this vehicles are good enough. Their successors will be great.
can\t wait for the Porsche Taycan video
It was perfect to see Great video
I got to 142 kW on a 150 SuC (Dietikon, Zurich) with my 2017 MS 100D... So I think the peak is higher than the 140 kW you mentioned ;) I can provide you a picture of it.
At the end etron added 51KWh, eqc 69, ipace 68 and modelx x 75kwh.
Only @bornnyland could make charging fun lol
When will you test taycan ?
I'm actually genuinely surprised that the Model X was the slowest charging of the four.
But what are the miles/Km added along the way? You’re actually putting way more miles on the Raven pack in the same span of time.
wow, i have a gooooood laught about the fast talking. Bjørn is talking like a Ninja.
Next test: Audi e-tron vs TMX Raven with a camper. :) I think the Audi will be ahead already at the 500 km mark then.
Does the higher efficiency of the Raven make up for the slower charging speed?
Yes... see here:
i.imgur.com/C6iRmgF.png
Easily
Bjorn I think it is time to start comparing EV's charging little bit differently. Percentage doesn't mean anything and also kW of charging rate alone doesn't say much to normal people. All that matters is relation between EV's consumption and charging rate....this says how much range you get in certain amount of time.
Can you do a comparison between the cars on which car gives the most home Cinema feel when watching movies on Netflix on the car. Which car loads faster over an LTE Router and which consumes the least energy per movie when letting the HVAC running :)
What we need is to know which car in each segment charges fastest in terms of range rather than KW. Like you say. E-tron charges fast.. but how much range does it get?
8:35 the Etron and the model x are charging at the same speed yet model x says is putting 747km/h while the etron says around 600km/h how is this possible if they are charging at the same speed? I advise not using the onboard computer and use an outside device. The mode x keeps dropping at charging speed but continues to say that is putting more km/h than the etron can someone explain or is something fishy happening here?
Etron use alot more energy to travel the same distance.
Do you not understand the difference between power and consumption? It is the same as if you filled the same volume of gasoline in 1 minute at a gas station in both an econobox and a V8 truck, the truck would only go half the distance the econobox could.
So finally, when E-tron reaches 100% and you can go on with your travel, you have an advantage of around 22 Minutes(in that Time you can charge the Audi again in a second stop from 10-70%, which is around 200km of range) until the Model X arrives only 90% of his capacity. On the other side, if you would stop charging the Tesla, the EQC and the I-Pace at the same time as the Audi, which one would come further with his amount of energy? E-Tron will run 300 km with this amount of energy. How far wil the other ones come with their loaded 55kWh, 64 and 65 kWh + 10% of Capacity which was inside the Battery when they started to charge? From my experience I would think the Tesla would also run 300 km with a average consumption of 25 kWh/100 km. But I would think the Merc and the Jag will not run further as max. 220 - 250 km.
So it is equal between the Audi and the Tesla.
please do the 1000 km challenge with Model 3 SR+
Hah! With the commentary, it was like watching a horse race. I think Bjorn has invented a new sport. :)
Charging racing?
"its not even fun to see how fast the model 3 charges"
literally me ar my first supercharging stop
>getting home late
>would be cutting it close so i decide to top up at SuC
>plugs in -> goes to mc Donalds for a small cup of coffe
well .. i endet up increasing the charge limit to 90% since from 15 to 80% charging was faster than me getting a single cup of coffe and go use the bathroom
that really blew my mind how insane that was (i mean it was still 20 minutes .. but there where only 2 people in front of me to get coffe and still the car easily beat my "refuel speed")
Björn, just calculate times to 100km range, 200km range and 300km range when starting at 10%SoC. That will give us a real world situation set of numbers when traveling and commuting.
Yes make a vid of fastest to charge to a range of 400km
EQC is a bit underwhelming with such a big battery buffer (94kWh only 80kWh usable) it should be able to charge as fast as an etron. The 90% SoC is actually only 76% of the battery capacity.
When is the Porsche Taycan Turbo S 1000km challenge happening?
4:18 something is not right the raven is charging at 57kw while the 100d is at 60kw but the raven is saying that is putting the equivalent to 308km/h while the 100d says 277. How is it possible to charge slower but supposedly puts more km? Could you use a different device to see the charging speeds instead of the onboard computer?
Efficiency while driving (the raven gets more km for each kWh)
Model 3 motor tech was put into the Raven and gave a big range and efficiency boost
We'll have to see how the batteries the cars with the flatter charging curve hold up over time. Tesla has been awesome in preserving range over a long car life, but the others...? It's easy to make a battery charge fast. It's hard to do it 100 times and still have good range.
Best commentary ever 😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Waiting for the km/hr charge rate comparison. Percentage is not that important :)
And you should start from 50km range left, not 10% state of charge.
Wow I need to lie down in a darkened room for half an hour and recover after all that excitement! Strangely gripping. The math is not quite right as Bjorn points out, 450km in the Raven vs. 350km in the others is a huge 28% advantage. Or take about 1 third off the Raven charging time to compare like with like? Also the e-tron when showing 100% is not really at 100% (it's about 88%) so it is a "false positive" and also needs to be considered when looking at the ipace and the Mercedes.
:D :D Great commentary!
nice video :-)
@Bjørn, if you look to the kwh you will see that all cars pretty the same fast till EQC is to 90% he has chargeed 68,9kWh the Model X has the same 68kWh in time, i pace struggled a lot he has as well nearly 67.9kWh charged, but the question is how much kWh has charged the e-tron by the 100%???
Model X has changed at 90% 79kWh after one Hour. You Charged the E-tron at the 1000km at the first stop you charged nearly 51kWh after 21 minutes the display shows 78% after this time the e-tron has charged 5kWh more as the other one's!
Model 3 LR and Taycan are superior when you measure time needed to get certain range while charging.
He talking almost like fast as they on the TV show "Storage Wars" on Discovery Channel
you should compare charging speeds starting with 30% charge - That might be more real world as I don't think most people will run the batteries to 10%
They actually do.
In the UK, the rapid chargers that the EQC, I-Pace and e-tron can take advantage of are few and far between. Tesla Supercharging network still best as far as availability is concerned. Probably says more about the state of the UK than anything else!
In Finland the situation is more fair.. both tesla and other companies has poor penetration :)
e tron is very impressive!!
So is the model X... see here, it matches for range added from 13 mins onwards:
imgur.com/pqedIsO
I peaked at 146kW on a 150kW Supercharger with an S100D (2019 but pre Raven)
I guess if the ID 3 with the biggest Battery Pack performs in charging like the etron than it maybe could beat the Model 3 in a 24h race
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it's release!
it can't beat the consumption at high speeds for sure... and the Model 3 charging is so much faster than the Model X
@@noproblem386 Know', but if I'm charging at the v3 chargers, it only gives me 250kw for a matter of minutes, before it flattens out on about 140. It slowly falls back down to about 60-50 kw like the model x. It do make a big difference, but if the vw ID 3 charges constantly at 150-140kw, it might be able to beat it or at least finish at around the same time as the model 3. Time will tell.
Unluckyness it’s 250 till 22% and remains above 150 till 50%.. I sat in the 2 cars in less than a day and don’t know the drag coef for the id 3, but it feels so much bulkier... just googled and found it the id3 is 13cm taller...
The thing is, if you have seen the charging compartion Video from the Model 3 an the Etron then you might have recognized that the Etron needs less time to fully charge up, so if the ID3 have the same charging curve like the Etron or maybe even better, because it is a newer Generation on the Battery Cells, than you can charge more with every charging stop. That could result in less charging stops in total so can save time you would need to stop, plug in and start again otherwise. Then you might even not need to drive that fast like with the Model 3 so you can save energy and can get out more km from every charging stop.
Why does people charge their cars?
In order to get range!
km/min is the best comparison for me, because range(km) and time (min) are the units which are of interest in daily use.
A comparison would be a heater in your house. If you have a heater which uses 100kw (theoretically) and your house 🏡 needs 1h to have ambient temperature or you have a heater which uses 50kw and your house is at ambient temperature in 50min. Important is when your house is warm and not how much power the heater has 😅
The thing is ... at 88%, the eTron output is 354Km/h (84KW/h), while Tesla is 357Km/h with much slower input (66KW)... so I don't really think that a face-to-face comparison can be done ...
I think the best is, at a given time (maybe 30min?) how many km can we drive for each battery and not focus that much on the input current that each battery can hold...
no?
I guess the Tesla Displays are always a little bit to optimistic with that km/h value....:-)
@@andrezimmermann2458 might actually be right, remember the battery pack is bigger and more efficient, so, even a lower amount of charge, will "last" longer... hence the "real" number to look at between all EV's
@Bjørn please Film the e-tron again, but the next time Film the Display from the charger, to see how many kWh he will get. Thank you!
From my experience i can say Ionity Display shows most of all times 3 kW more than the e-tron Display inside. I have seen 153 kW on the Ionity Charger and at the same time 150 in the Audi
@@andrezimmermann2458 Hi, this is ok, you will have in any case an los in the connection, i talk about the the kWh, it is schon in the Display in the top left corner, in tesla it is the last digits, bottom left, only the e-tron doesn't show how much kWh he has got in the time.
@@DimaStohr Maybe my own Video helps you out. Only the Text inside was a little bit wrong. I guess we started at 43% SOC and not as displayed at 48% Here it is: ua-cam.com/video/VWLnM56q3A4/v-deo.html
What ‘d find interesting to find out, on a long journey, you could make a lot of time by charming 20-30 minutes and to to next stations, keep doing same charge before it tapers. What would be interesting is that according to these numbers, Enron would be able to get there faster? Would be an interesting test to so something like see. Which car gets from A to B in a longish range situation (1000km?) By charging 25 mins. Again, according to these numbers Enron would do it, but I’d have some range anxiety with Enron in longer rangers (I.e., if I were to travel from where I live in Salt Lake CIty to Florida, one of the segments includes a trip of around 205 or so miles in pretty mountainous terrain. Would the Enron make it? Not likely. SO it be nice in that case to have a Tesla or EQC (or even I-pace?) that you could say, Okay, I’ll stay 1 hour at this station, top it off to lets say 90%, and the keep going to next point. Just a thought. (BTW, the 205 Is Miles no Km, though I used Km earlier, and the 204 is the EPA rating for Enron... in miles)
Whoever designed Audi’s charging graphic obviously doesn’t realize how large the battery pack is.
e-tron pack in a car the size of the Model 3 would be phenomenal, the future is bright.
Imagine 500km real range added in 40min.
Except that a Model 3 is already charging faster than e-tron. And that's before we take in account efficiency.
@@bjornnyland Does the Taycan charge faster than the M3?
Hi, to me the conclusion is missing. Interesting is finally: how many kms of range (motorway speed, 130ish) does each of these cars regain per 1/2h of charging (optimal) of per hour (maximal)? Cos' one doesn't fast charge and count to the minute for their daily charging, but it turns really more important for long trips, then probably on the motorway. Also then, you would try and optimize, hence stop around ... 70, 80%, depending on the car....
Could you please do the calc with your consumption measurements and repost the video?
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The 1000 km challenge might be more informative, because that shows the total time to actually cover a distance, including charging time. So it takes into account the charge rate, driving efficiency, battery size, all of it -- See Bjorn's other videos on this topic.
If I understand what you told, and if you're right (yes, a lot of "if"), the Model X only need to charge to 75% to have the same range than the E-tron, at 100% right ? Well, in this case, thy're pretty close, but the E-tron still wins. Just a minute ahead, yes, but still !
The takeaway for me.. my car charges the fastest, and discharges the fastest >.
I thought raven could hit 200 kW on the V3? has anyone taken a Raven to Vegas?
I don't think it would reach such speeds. Not with the current battery cooling design. Unless Raven has way stronger chiller?
I`m looking for the same video...
@@emceh I`m not sure that cooling is crucial factor! What happens when you reach throttling and then wait for the car to cool, does it charge at max? I don`t think so...
It's not really accurate as one MX is using CCS and the other SC, both would need to be tested using either CCS or SC to have a fair result, we dont know how the difference in charging methods could change things. Still a good example of the different cars tho
1000 km challenge with iPace please
Tesla needs to change that damn battery pack inside the Model X Raven.
There`s no need. Actual energy added or lets say km/h is what matters and model x nails it!
Better to create a table time vs range ;)
See here, I tabulated and graphed the results :
i.imgur.com/C6iRmgF.png