Doctor Who: Classic 8x2: "The Mind of Evil" Parts 1-3 | Reaction!
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I love how you talk about short term memory at the start followed by seeing that this is the same writer as Inferno and then later wondering what The Doctor means by a world on fire.
Ironic
Jacob: Alex and I finally realized - much later - that The Doctor was referring to The Inferno. We had visualized it as lava, not as fire. ~Dad
@@richardlemin7840 That's understandable, I just found it a bit funny.
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Are we absolutely sure he was referring to Inferno? I thought he was referring to Gallifrey, hence hearing the Daleks in his nightmare vision. There were no Daleks involved in Inferno.
Edit: at the time of writing I've only seen the first 3 episodes of this serial. I'm watching the Pertwee years for the first time (on dvds)
@@RebornLeveller Up to this point we haven't seen Daleks on Gallifrey, we also have no reason to believe Gallifrey has anything to do with fire, and the writer was the same as the one for Inferno so I think a the very least the intent of the writer was Inferno.
Yates's line "She's quite a dolly" - that's the writer Don Houghton commenting on his wife Pic-Sen Lim playing Chin Lee.
The prison location was Dover Castle on the south east coast - where the ferry's go to France.:)
One of the few times the early show had continuity beyond returning villains really. Referencing a past story in Inferno
I've always assumed that the Doctor is referring to the parallel Earth of Inferno when he speaks of a world being destroyed by fire (lava). There's a line of dialogue that establishes that this story takes place about six months after Terror of the Autons, during which time the Master was able to set up his Emil Keller identity. The actor who plays Barnham (Neil McCarthy) may look familiar if you've ever seen the original Clash of the Titans, in which he plays Calibos (albeit under heavy makeup). Chin Lee is played by Pik-Sen Lim, who was the wife of writer Don Houghton. Director Timothy Combe used Chinese actors because he disliked the use of "Yellow Face", but such practices were still going on at the BBC at the time and will (unfortunately) be seen again in Classic Who.
Calibos! Of course! ~Dad
Interesting. I thought he was referring to Gallifrey, hence hearing the Daleks in his nightmare vision. There were no Daleks involved in Inferno.
@@RebornLeveller The Time War was far in the future from this story. Gallifrey wouldn't have been destroyed by fire at this point, nor would the Daleks have even been there. The Daleks are most likely a separate fear. Like dreaming about being naked in public and having a murderous clown chasing you, the two things might be in the same nightmare, but aren't necessarily related in real life. He actually has visions of a number of monsters from past episodes, including ones that wouldn't have scared an exceptionally nervous rabbit. Like Koquillion (who's basically a Doctor Who version of a Scooby Doo villain) and the Zarbi
The production team had enlisted the services of a specialist Chinese/Asian actors' agency for the part of Fu Peng, but none of the actors they sent for audition were any good. As a last resort, they had to use the proprietor of the agency to play the part.
It was easier to cast Chin Lee, as Pik-Sen Lim was the writer's wife. She's actually Malaysian, not Chinese, but who's counting?
the planet the doctors talking about being consumed in fire was the parallel earth in inferno. I'm sure i'll be the only person who brings this up in the comments :P.
Oh... yeah I guess that makes sense. Woo, boy! We are gonna get some comments!
@@7thHourFilms kinda makes the time war even worse now you think about it
@@7thHourFilms The 3rd Doctor's era is weirdly good with continuity by Classic Who standards. Both referencing old stories and foreshadowing later ones. I find it kind of hilarious though how much you talk about Inferno here and don't make the connection.
I was just about to post the same comment.😆 Kinda baffled and also find it really funny that they didn't make the connection tbh. Especially because Alex remembered that Don Houghton wrote 'Inferno' before this.
It was a complete blank on our parts!
*Richard* "But, if it extracts negative impulses, the Doctor doesn't have a whole lot of negative impulses". Are you sure about that?😅
The first Doctor basically kidnaps Ian and Barbara in 'An Unearthy Child' and would've bashed a caveman's brains out if Ian hadn't stopped him in the same story. The second Doctor manipulates and lies to Jamie throughout 'The Evil of the Daleks' and so many others during his whole run. The third Doctor lied to Liz and selfishly tried to leave using the TARDIS during a potential emergency in the last story Don Houghton wrote, 'Inferno'. I could go on, but I think you get the point. The Doctor is such a great character and interesting character because he's a flawed hero.
Love watching the two of you discussing why the doctor was afraid of Fire and then mentioning that the story was written by the same person who wrote Inferno and the fact that you could not connect the dots between the two was highly amusing.
Not one of our proudest moments...
The Third Doctor witnessed the parallel world in the episode Inferno go up in flames.
This is my 2nd of 3 favourite stories from the Pertwee era. It has aspects of Anthony Burgess's Clockwork Orange. It was also Don Houghton's last script for Dr Who because of the huge budget required for the story it went massively over budget. Raymond Westwell ,the Prison Govenor's accent Dad commented on sounds like it has faint trace of Ulster Irish.
13:39 He's referring to "Inferno". (Apologies if you work this out later in the video... I'm responding in real time.)
We didn't figure it out until much later!
Hokkien is a Chinese dialect spoken in Taiwan and the Philippines - Pertwee learned the dialogue phonetically but isn't doing the accent, so is more or less incomprehensible, but at least they were trying.
The last executions in the UK were in 1964 - do not really that long before this.
The burning world the Doctor talks about is the alternative Earth in Inferno - I didn't think you'd realised that Stahlmann actually blew the planet up!
Its not that we didn't realize but we COMPLETELY forgot!
The amount of time between stories? That's where all the Big Finish audio's go! 😂
Don Hougton the writer of the story was married to Pik Sin Lem who played Chin Lee .o Yates's Dolly comment was probobly a In-joke between the writer and his wife !!
Not only that, but their daughter later appeared in an episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures. She played the Museum Guide in The Curse of Clyde Langer.
And I think she was pregnant during the filming.
I love this story and the Master's involvement in is just great and his plans are - to quote the Doctor - "a lunatic scheme".
1. Creates a machine (which actually has an alien parasite inside it and y'all will know that by now) and takes it to Stangmoor prison, so that it can feed on negative impulses, which it needs to function and stay alive. The Keller machine is simply a way for him to execute a much grander plan.
2. That plan, at least initially, is to use the Keller machine and Chin Lee to commit specific murders for him in order to disrupt the world peace conference, which would almost certainly cause a world war. This is smart because the way in which the Master has these people killed - by their own fears/visions in their minds manifested into reality - ensured that the murders couldn't be traced back to anyone. Certainly not him.
3. One this plan was foiled by UNIT and the Doctor, the Master moved on to hijack the thunderbolt missile instead and use it destroy the peace conference, which would again achieve his ultimate goal of causing a war. He couldn't do this alone though, he first had to get some support. Stangmoor prison was the perfect place to get that support. He used the influence the Keller machine had already afforded him there to simply walk into the place and take control and convinced the prisoners imprisoned in there to help him.
All of this is quite insane and convoluted, but I love it because it's exactly the kind of plan the Master would think up. 'The Mind of Evil' has a great, well written plot that, despite being quite convoluted, does make sense. What really makes this story shine though is all the great characters. The two best ones of course being the Doctor and the Master. The scenes between Pertwee and Delgado in this story are quite simply some of the best the two characters will ever have together. This is a very character driven story and it's brilliant.
Regarding the Doctor's fear of fire at the end of part 1: my headcanon is that it's his regret of being unable to prevent the destruction of the parallel world from "Inferno" that's causing this.
After Inferno, it’s interesting to see the Doctor scared about the world on fire. That’s the way I see that anyway.
'The Mind Of Evil' notes :
Episode One: Viewing figures = 6.7 million. Chart position = 61.
Episode Two: Viewing figures = 8.8 million. Chart position = 54.
Episode Three: Viewing figures = 7.5 million. Chart position = 70.
Transmission dates : 30 January, 6, 13 February 1971.
Studio sessions : November - December 1970.
Studio : TC 3 & TC6.
Working title : 'The Pandora Machine'.
Archival Holdings
PAL colour: none
NTSC colour: none
B&W telerecordings: all
Other colour: chroma dot recovery eps 2-6, manual colourisation ep 1
While eps 2-6 have been colourised via the chroma dot recovery as per Ambassadors of Death, ep 1 doesn't have any chroma dots to recover! This is because it is a rare example of the chroma signal actually being filtered out as it should have been. This means that the only way this one has been colourised is manually. Stuart Humphrey (aka Babel colour on UA-cam) assisted the usual Doctor Who Restoration Team with this.
I had a b&w VHS OF THIS STORY all 6 episodes
I vaguely remember reading something in an old Dr Who behind-the-scenes book that said that after Pertwee knocked the water glass over on Keller/the Master's desk in the prison, the entire floor turned into a skating rink and both actors could barely stay on their feet. They kept at it like troupers so the cameras kept rolling, but it's a wonder neither of them broke any bones.
36:06 When I was at school, for our Christmas Mass in 2014 we had a girl sing Silent Night in German to honour the 100th anniversary of the Christmas Day Armistice. She didn't speak German, but one of the German teachers had spent some time teaching her to do it.
38:11 If it makes you feel better, I have a Spanish friend who assures me he thinks Mexicans sound weird.
Episode 1 of this story is the only episode to be recolourised completely from scratch. They had no colour at all for it (All the other episodes had some existing colour data to work from), so a small team spent months colourising it manually by colouring in key frames and having a computer do the rest.
"Don't question the goo." would make a good T-shirt.
Thanks as always for the reaction guys.
I think Stangmoor Prison is a combination of Strangeways and Broadmoor, two famous British prisons (the second being a high security psychiatric hospital).
The Brigadier has always had Captains, with Benton being his head NCO. The introduction of Yates was both to have a more permanent junior officer for the Brigadier and a potential love interest for Jo.
Previous Captains you may have missed:
Captain Jimmy Turner in 'The Invasion'
Captain Jimmy Munro in 'Spearhead from Space' (yes, they were both called Jimmy. I have a feeling they wanted to bring Turner back)
Captain Sam Hawkins in 'The Silurians' (deceased)
No captain in 'The Ambassadors of Death' that I can remember. Obviously haven't replaced Hawkins yet!
And no Captain in 'Inferno'....word of Hawkins demise obviously putting off potential candidates....
the fear of fire comes from his time in Inferno and the other world being destroyed by fire
The UK did have the death penalty until the 60s.
Technically they had it until 1998 for treason, until the passing of the Human Rights Act.
Inferno had fire and lava 🔥 thats where he might of got the fear from !
Anothr story from jon pertwee that had the colour tapes wiped. I had this story on vhs and all 6 episodes were in black and white. The doctor was talking about the events of ‘inferno’ when he was talking about a whole world destroyed in flames
36:25 Hokkien is a dialect from South East China.
Tommy Duggan (1909-1998) played the Senator. He was born in Middlesex, UK.
The BBC doesn't do commercial breaks not even back then its a payed licence fee.
You may be overthinking this, I think the idea of the entire peace conference getting wiped out is intended to be enough to prompt war, ignoring how ridiculous it would be for Britain to destroy their own capital city.
Does the machine need to 'feed' on the negative emotions of the prisoners to be able to project fears?
The romanization that was used previously was called Wade-Giles; China adopted the Pinyin system (developed in China in the 1950s) in 1958. Because Taiwan continued (and continues) to use Wade-Giles, the Western press did not move to Pinyin until much later. ISO adopted Pinyin as a standard in 1982.
44:20 The novelisation has it as a manifestation of the American delegate's fear of a powerful rampant China., or something like that. It's been a little while since I read it
Cornwall Gardens was also the street where the First Doctor trapped the War Machine
I think the dragon was representing a fear of China.
Anyone watched Mind Your Language, another notable British program that occurred around same time? Like this if you know what I am talking about. It's hilarious and you should check that out sometime. The Chinese lady in this episode is in that program as well and how I recognize her here.
i watched the film johhny English Reborn a few days ago and she turned up as an Cleaner/Assasin trying to kill Rowan atkinson's character !!
I think she's the writer's wife
@@kierenevans2521 Yes - Pik Sen Lim was indeed Mrs Don Houghton.
The Doctor's fear of fire was due to the events of Inferno when he witnessed the alternative versions of The Brig and Liz being burnt to death by the lava. At the end of episode 3 if you look closely not only you heard the Dalek but there were also images coming out of the Doctor's mind there was a Dalek a War Machine and a Cyberman. The american senator was played by Tommy Duggan hes a British actor. The actor Neil McCarthy who plays Barnham also played Calibos in the original 1981 Clash of the Titans. None of the Chinese characters were Chinese actors they still did not have the budget to find real Chinese actors at this point. Mao Zedong the first chairman of China died on September 9 1976.
Both Kristopher Kum and Pik Sen Lim were ethnically Chinese, even if they were born in Singapore and Malaysia, so I think its unfair to say "None of the Chinese characters were Chinese actors".
@@Tyrconnell Yeah that's true. I probaly should had said British chinese actors not actual Chinese.
The Doctor's recent experience, witnessing a world destroyed in fire (in The Inferno), perhaps affects him?
I seem to recall the death penalty was scrapped around '61-'63 . . or was it National Service? Pretty sure that both were previous to the Post Office Tower's completion and the death of Winston Churchill, '65.
13 August 1964- after Dr. Who had begun on TV
@@TheZodiacz Ah. That typical of my usual memory function to miss by a year!
Unfortunately, we are not past the days of Marco Polo, just wait until you react to The Talons of Wang-Chiang. In that story, we have esteemed English actor John Bennett playing Li H'sen Chang.
Not unfortunate at all. They hired the best actor for the job, end of story. They tried to cast authentic Chinese actors for Mind of Evil but none of them were any good (a common problem during the 70s and 80s in the UK). They ended up using an Malaysian actress for the role of Chin Lee, simply because she was married to the writer.
@@Rocket1377 Kristopher Kum who played Fu Peng was the owner of the Oriental Actors Casting agency - he replaced the actor originally cast as his performance was so poor. Many of its members were in demand in Japan etc - if they spoke english. The amount of Chinese actors who were members of Equity, the UK actors agency - you could count on one maybe two hands.
@@Rocket1377
It never ceases to amaze me why some people feel the need to defend casual racism at every opportunity. My problem isn't with John Bennett's acting, my problem is the fact that they had to paint him yellow. If you want to defend the act of 'yellowface' then you can get on with it, but leave me out.
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@@Rocket1377 Although born in Malaysia Pik Sen Lim's parents were both Chinese, so I think it's fair to say they cast a Chinese actress. Similarly Kristopher Kum was born in Singapore but was ethnically Chinese (and spoke Cantonese, not Hokkien)
Britain ended capital punishment in 1965. They stopped executing women some time earlier.
7:17 Unfortunately sexism, not to mention racism, is not restricted to Captain Yates or UNIT. Even the Doctor's character is marred by the prejudice of the time.
12:31 I don't think Stangmoor is a real prison, although is sounds a plausible name, and the location shot may be the outside of a real prison.
13:50 He's not talking about Rome, he's talking about the other Earth in 'Inferno'.
16:23 The actual date of all the UNIT stories is a debate that has been going on for a long time. Initially they were set in an indefinite 'near future' and some things support this, others tie them very much to the time they were broadcast.
Not to mention a duck
@@7thHourFilms I told you not to mention a duck! ~Dad
Was that Jaws from James bond at 21:46 ?
No, that's Neil McCarthy - you may remember him from the original Clash of the Titans as Calibos or pretty much any British telly programme in the 70s.
No, the actor who played Jaws (Richard Kiel) was American.
@@Igor_Blimey The baddie? I remember.