It takes zero training to be incredibly effective with a knife , and lot's of training to even have a chance to against one. Thanks for having a realistic approach
@The-Contractor It's a bit embarrassing to cite what *YOU* say is wisdom... :) And telling is where you're from unsoliced is the iccing on the cake. thank yuo:
Society is in a rapid decline. The 2 12 years olds in Wolverhampton as a prime example. Lee's knowledge and expertise is priceless. Fail to prepare is preparing to fail.
Great stuff, we pressure test this stuff in our club too but have come to a slightly different conclusion. two of the members have been previously badly stabbed also, which whilst unfortunate; is also useful for our understanding. We drill as a first reaction to react to the “Grab, stab” to be…. a pivot and break away from the grab hand. The reason we do this is because it covers the whole range of other possible attacks too. Eg, the pivot and break away also works against the “grab, head butt” the “grab punch” as well as the “grab, stab” we feel it covers more bases and is more useful in that you may not know if you’re up against a knife as soon as you are grabbed? You don’t know what’s coming, so therefore it’s more useful as it covers more contingencies. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this if you are so inclined?
That's my first line of defense in my FMA sparing. It is also my natural movement. If the grab is hard and I'm quick, I can get a standing armbar. Of course the closer to the centerline the grab is, the better the chance of it working.
Vital information on the Areas where the Knife can do the most Damage in a back to the wall situation. The reality is you will get or expect to be cut in some form or fashion during an engagement. Now where you get cut is and be able to stay in the game or get away where these drills come into play.
I have responded to several people having been stabbed over the last 20 years. All of them have been within a foot of their victim. None have been an overhead stab
When intercepting the stabbing arm does hitting with enough explosive force that it bounces back or pushing it away along a different trajectory than the one it came from ( ie to the side ) help prevent getting cut on the arm due to the knife being pulled back?
IMO, the only bit I don't like is the option where you try and break the grip as the 2nd move. If that fails, you've not done anything, lost a beat, and you're back to being stabbed again. I prefer the right cross you showed as the next move, and/or pivoting away on the right foot and try for an arm bar - walking him around and down. If the punch had an effect, yes try and break the grip maybe. Generally though (not in this surprise attack), facing a knife, the left foot forward orthodox stance is a mistake imo. I think neutral stance or right foot forward is better because it's easier to get away from the knife to the off side. Orthodox is for fighting, we don't want to fight/exchange against the knife.
If you think about it all the knife attack is is a punch over and over and over again boxing is the only thing that makes sense to counter a knife attack it's the only one that I can understand. Sophie break that down into bite-size bits what are the Target Acquisitions in boxing. There's behind the ear the jawline the back of the head with a hook punch the liver the kidneys ect. Some people like to use their legs and start to kick for distance. Knife attacks usually happen so fast you don't even know what's happening until it happens.
Good self preservation and practical fight tips, good self-defence video. By the way You might want to limit or edit-out the background noise (shouting and arguing can be heard) to better hear and understand what you are trying to say. subscribed
Let’s be honest it’s gonna happen at midnight when you’ve had a few and some bugger wants your phone or wallet … are you gonna remember or be able to do this … just run or get a taxi and don’t walk about late at night
Solid, thats about as much as one can do, empty hand vs blade. this is against an attacker who doesnt even know how to fight with a blade. I always told my students that I can teach someone how to fight with a knife in 2 weeks and that person will slice someone to bit who has been training for 10 years to counter knife attacks. as you said, its claws against flesh. these kravmagay guys who do all these silly knife disarms and telling people that will work is such horseraddishit
Wtf are you doing wrong in your situational awareness that you've been attacked twice or more with a knife? 😅 That's your first mistake. Second is I call Bullshido. I'll take Lee's advice over another Keyboard Sensei. F O
@@NormanScyth Not sure how to respond to that. I follow Lee because he is an expert. I wasn't pretending to be an expert. I'm not. It is a 10% strategy. Better off running. What advice did I give? Situational awareness? Yes, I agree, but I'm from a hard place. Same place as Lee. What a twatty thing to say. Fo yourself.
I'm in my 50s and from the east end. On both occasions it was fast. Lee is giving good advice, but your chances of not getting hurt are about 10%. The point is not to get permanently hurt.
Remember if you don't have a knife elbows cut. =) everybody wants a system that's fluid that works. There isn't really one that exists you just got to kind of do what you can do to mitigate. Byron Rogers suggests faster than you kung fu. Matte teaches the shock zones with the blade so we can use that for counter ambush. Bas rutten nails that liver in the ring. People fall like dominoes. I've seen Paul Vunaks strategy with those crazy Wing Chun rolling punches. I've looked at some crazy IDF stuff (- +) grip closing distance after short circuiting (ooda loop) ankle or neck snap. I've seen some Wicked oblique kicks to the knee. The only thing that makes sense is gross motor skills I watched a boxer take on multiple assailants unarmed on a cct TV gas station film. I think that's the only thing that can work if you're unarmed against the blade. I'm not a fan of it but I know about it the Boxer Rebellion technically it was considered a lesser known World War against the Chinese but it shows the lethality of boxing. I found this quick video on countering the uppercut with a 90° cross it's so fast though. UA-cam short. Maybe this will work against a stabbing motion. The only realistic combat test that we have is the boxing ring. I wonder if we can give a professional boxer a chance to explore this dynamic perhaps like a white T-shirt and then you got the individual with the red marker and sparring gear how cool would it be to get Mike Tyson in on this. I still want to see what he can do with peek-a-boo boxing and a push dagger. ua-cam.com/users/shortsP8nGYVi624Q?si=_CpMpeyzUAWdMXsw thank you so much for everything you do everyday with uploads.
yeah, id aggree.. u might need a quick reflex counterstance first, to frame or make space. but after that i am def throwing fast punches, as the "best knife counter". body mechanics can be so wierd and different in dif folks too, so i dont really wanna be in any kind of grappling sit, when the opponent has a knife.
The Boxers (as in The Boxer Rebellion) were only called boxers by English speakers because back then Chinese martial arts were called 'Chinese Boxing'. Had nothing to do with Queensberry Boxing. In reality, if you're unarmed and the guy with the shank is determined and reasonably strong you're probably fucked even if you're highly trained. While it's possible to block the first stab coming in if it's looped like they show in the drill, it's next to impossible to stop them pulling it back and having another go, and if they do it straight and rapidly they're going to get you 9 times out of 10. Basically, if you can't run away, make peace with whoever or whatever and fight like a you're a fucking tiger to get control of that weapon, because as long as that hand is free to stab you you've had it. You're going to get cut, you're going to end up in hospital, but if it's the last thing you fucking do get control of that fucking hand. If he's got friends with him you're dead, but that's another matter.
@@DrRepper You're right! Furthermore the "Boxers" in the boxer rebellion were armed with the old traditional weapons. Swords, spears, clubs etc. as well as whatever firearms thy could get a hold of, and used barricades, and siege warfare. This wasn't people just punching and kicking at lines of European riflemen.
My local police department has 8 pigs on administrative leave because one of them shot themselves trying to unload their carry weapon during shift change 🤦♀️
Terrible acoustics due to background chatter. Maybe think about having the microphone on your collar and having others in the building to stop talking.
It takes zero training to be incredibly effective with a knife , and lot's of training to even have a chance to against one. Thanks for having a realistic approach
great comment
Offense is so often the best defense!
Great content as always 💯🔥👌🏼🙏
So great to see someone giving practical instruction on this including the advice of using the back of the arm.
Excellent insights in to the nuances. Brilliant.
Good lesson. I wish I lived where you are to take your classes. Thanks for the video.
Always very insightful,thx lee
Always solid content.
Can confirm that I barely felt it when I got stabbed.
"Run from a knife, charge a gun." Wisdom from the streets of The Bronx. You're welcome.
@The-Contractor
It's a bit embarrassing to cite what *YOU* say is wisdom... :)
And telling is where you're from unsoliced is the iccing on the cake. thank yuo:
Every one tries to grab the arm and forgets he has a free hand or legs to hurt the attacker by striking. Good one here
Excellent advice.
Great insights as always! Thank you!
Superbb
Lee I have your on the sharp edge DVDs. Amazing work 👏
great video lee thanks for sharing
This is really good stuff.
Fantastic. Better than alot of Kali approaches
Society is in a rapid decline. The 2 12 years olds in Wolverhampton as a prime example. Lee's knowledge and expertise is priceless. Fail to prepare is preparing to fail.
Nice 👍
Great stuff, we pressure test this stuff in our club too but have come to a slightly different conclusion. two of the members have been previously badly stabbed also, which whilst unfortunate; is also useful for our understanding. We drill as a first reaction to react to the “Grab, stab” to be…. a pivot and break away from the grab hand. The reason we do this is because it covers the whole range of other possible attacks too. Eg, the pivot and break away also works against the “grab, head butt” the “grab punch” as well as the “grab, stab” we feel it covers more bases and is more useful in that you may not know if you’re up against a knife as soon as you are grabbed? You don’t know what’s coming, so therefore it’s more useful as it covers more contingencies. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this if you are so inclined?
It's common to be shown the knife first in a threat display in a robbery as opposed to murder attempt.
That's my first line of defense in my FMA sparing. It is also my natural movement. If the grab is hard and I'm quick, I can get a standing armbar. Of course the closer to the centerline the grab is, the better the chance of it working.
lovely examples of different approach. Excellent points. Love the "1 size fits all" thinking.
Thanks!
super , exellent ,logical
Vital information on the Areas where the Knife can do the most Damage in a back to the wall situation. The reality is you will get or expect to be cut in some form or fashion during an engagement. Now where you get cut is and be able to stay in the game or get away where these drills come into play.
Great old school UC
I have responded to several people having been stabbed over the last 20 years. All of them have been within a foot of their victim. None have been an overhead stab
You live in a nice place. Terrorists run at you with an overhand to the neck.
Thanks Lee. Ahanu
When intercepting the stabbing arm does hitting with enough explosive force that it bounces back or pushing it away along a different trajectory than the one it came from ( ie to the side ) help prevent getting cut on the arm due to the knife being pulled back?
Great content.
Where can I buy your book: 'Safe on the door : The Complete Guide for Doormen'
Have tried libraries, book stores and amazon.
It’s on the UC Website
@@GeorgeJones-vs4bm Can't see anything under the pdf books. Although I'm really after a printed copy anyway.
Maybe Lees taken it down, I’ll see him Wednesday and ask and get back to you. Your best bet would be to get to a class or seminar and get hands on 👍
@@GeorgeJones-vs4bm Brill, cheers George 😀
I've now got a copy of the book. Ordered on amazon - was an ex-library copy.
Happy to pass on once I have read.
How do you address the high-line grab and stab - say, neck and subclavian?
Good stuff. Warrior poet society recently did some work with a practical defense guy with very similar framing blocks. Its well worth a watch!
That guy is trash
IMO, the only bit I don't like is the option where you try and break the grip as the 2nd move. If that fails, you've not done anything, lost a beat, and you're back to being stabbed again. I prefer the right cross you showed as the next move, and/or pivoting away on the right foot and try for an arm bar - walking him around and down. If the punch had an effect, yes try and break the grip maybe. Generally though (not in this surprise attack), facing a knife, the left foot forward orthodox stance is a mistake imo. I think neutral stance or right foot forward is better because it's easier to get away from the knife to the off side. Orthodox is for fighting, we don't want to fight/exchange against the knife.
You can always carry a shield...
If you think about it all the knife attack is is a punch over and over and over again boxing is the only thing that makes sense to counter a knife attack it's the only one that I can understand. Sophie break that down into bite-size bits what are the Target Acquisitions in boxing. There's behind the ear the jawline the back of the head with a hook punch the liver the kidneys ect. Some people like to use their legs and start to kick for distance. Knife attacks usually happen so fast you don't even know what's happening until it happens.
Going for the eyes could limit the attack.
Hi there Sir! What are your thoughts on a telescopic baton vs a knife if you can't own a gun?
You can't have that here either. personally I don't rate them I'd prefer a solid piece of wood like a rounder's bat!
Lee Morrison, when you going to put out a 2nd book?
Hi I've written approximately 23 books in total most are on the website available as PDF to download
@@UrbanCombatives Thanks for the info, I wouldn’t have known otherwise!
Use Libre Lee😊
I'm sure there's some good info there, but I could not pick out his words over the background noise.
I like this guy he’s good … but man how many hours do you need to put in to be like that
Good self preservation and practical fight tips, good self-defence video. By the way You might want to limit or edit-out the background noise (shouting and arguing can be heard) to better hear and understand what you are trying to say.
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Agreed. The content was fantastic as usual, but the audio in this video was compromised.
What if he stab faster and multiple times?
UA-cam - "How to deal with a grab and knife stab" - Urban Combatives Netherlands.
😍😍😍😍😍😍
The niegthbor arguing hahahahahahaha
Yes in Polish I believe, but you get the just it was an argument right?
@@UrbanCombatives im not sure i don't speak polish.
Let’s be honest it’s gonna happen at midnight when you’ve had a few and some bugger wants your phone or wallet … are you gonna remember or be able to do this … just run or get a taxi and don’t walk about late at night
Knifemen usually just steam in with a stabbing frenzy so don’t expect them to bother grabbing the target. 🤔
It is innate to index the target via grabbing then just go sewing machine. Usually there will be a wild slash or stab then the grab and stab occurs!
Solid, thats about as much as one can do, empty hand vs blade. this is against an attacker who doesnt even know how to fight with a blade. I always told my students that I can teach someone how to fight with a knife in 2 weeks and that person will slice someone to bit who has been training for 10 years to counter knife attacks. as you said, its claws against flesh. these kravmagay guys who do all these silly knife disarms and telling people that will work is such horseraddishit
This would be a lot better if you taped in an area without all the background jabbering.
A 10% strategy. And you know it, but i like that you admit that. I've fended out a knife twice. It is possible.
Wtf are you doing wrong in your situational awareness that you've been attacked twice or more with a knife? 😅 That's your first mistake. Second is I call Bullshido. I'll take Lee's advice over another Keyboard Sensei. F O
@@NormanScyth Not sure how to respond to that. I follow Lee because he is an expert. I wasn't pretending to be an expert. I'm not. It is a 10% strategy. Better off running. What advice did I give? Situational awareness? Yes, I agree, but I'm from a hard place. Same place as Lee. What a twatty thing to say. Fo yourself.
@@NormanScyth Not an expert. I follow Lee because he is
@@NormanScythI gave no advice
I'm in my 50s and from the east end. On both occasions it was fast. Lee is giving good advice, but your chances of not getting hurt are about 10%. The point is not to get permanently hurt.
Er.. knives cut arms too
I would run if i saw a knife but something to think about in the video if you don't have no choice
Remember if you don't have a knife elbows cut. =) everybody wants a system that's fluid that works. There isn't really one that exists you just got to kind of do what you can do to mitigate. Byron Rogers suggests faster than you kung fu. Matte teaches the shock zones with the blade so we can use that for counter ambush. Bas rutten nails that liver in the ring. People fall like dominoes. I've seen Paul Vunaks strategy with those crazy Wing Chun rolling punches. I've looked at some crazy IDF stuff (- +) grip closing distance after short circuiting (ooda loop) ankle or neck snap. I've seen some Wicked oblique kicks to the knee. The only thing that makes sense is gross motor skills I watched a boxer take on multiple assailants unarmed on a cct TV gas station film.
I think that's the only thing that can work if you're unarmed against the blade. I'm not a fan of it but I know about it the Boxer Rebellion technically it was considered a lesser known World War against the Chinese but it shows the lethality of boxing. I found this quick video on countering the uppercut with a 90° cross it's so fast though. UA-cam short. Maybe this will work against a stabbing motion. The only realistic combat test that we have is the boxing ring. I wonder if we can give a professional boxer a chance to explore this dynamic perhaps like a white T-shirt and then you got the individual with the red marker and sparring gear how cool would it be to get Mike Tyson in on this. I still want to see what he can do with peek-a-boo boxing and a push dagger. ua-cam.com/users/shortsP8nGYVi624Q?si=_CpMpeyzUAWdMXsw thank you so much for everything you do everyday with uploads.
yeah, id aggree.. u might need a quick reflex counterstance first, to frame or make space. but after that i am def throwing fast punches, as the "best knife counter". body mechanics can be so wierd and different in dif folks too, so i dont really wanna be in any kind of grappling sit, when the opponent has a knife.
The Boxers (as in The Boxer Rebellion) were only called boxers by English speakers because back then Chinese martial arts were called 'Chinese Boxing'. Had nothing to do with Queensberry Boxing.
In reality, if you're unarmed and the guy with the shank is determined and reasonably strong you're probably fucked even if you're highly trained. While it's possible to block the first stab coming in if it's looped like they show in the drill, it's next to impossible to stop them pulling it back and having another go, and if they do it straight and rapidly they're going to get you 9 times out of 10.
Basically, if you can't run away, make peace with whoever or whatever and fight like a you're a fucking tiger to get control of that weapon, because as long as that hand is free to stab you you've had it. You're going to get cut, you're going to end up in hospital, but if it's the last thing you fucking do get control of that fucking hand.
If he's got friends with him you're dead, but that's another matter.
@@DrRepper You're right! Furthermore the "Boxers" in the boxer rebellion were armed with the old traditional weapons. Swords, spears, clubs etc. as well as whatever firearms thy could get a hold of, and used barricades, and siege warfare. This wasn't people just punching and kicking at lines of European riflemen.
Boxing with wrestling can work sometimes
Where can I see some of this guys boxing or MMA fights? I don't know who he is.
Instructor has no situational awareness of the noisy gym.
Don’t fuck with that elder🫡
My local police department has 8 pigs on administrative leave because one of them shot themselves trying to unload their carry weapon during shift change 🤦♀️
That isn’t relevant to this video. Oh, and you’re a bell-end.
You call police officer a pig so you’re obviously a scumbag..you helmet
I can almost hear you over the background shouting...almost
Terrible acoustics due to background chatter. Maybe think about having the microphone on your collar and having others in the building to stop talking.
The background noise is very distracting..
Who cares grow up
Too much background noise, Too distracting.
Best option is get distance, always.
Great video as always but turnthe volume down on that person in the background