Thank you for persevering through all the rain to bring us a great video. Thanks to all the volunteers who worked to refurbish so much valuable railway stock including those beautiful electric interurban units.
The Shay is interesting but i really love the 2-10-0! Nice to see a more "standard"type loco in a video instead of the more exciting much bigger stuff.Don't get me wrong i love all loco's just maybe because ive spent more time with the smaller stuff that i gravitate towards it.Really love the channel.
Glad you didn't drown in that downpour; excellent video. Would love to see more of the drive system on that shay...shay's were such impressive machines.
Rare is the day a geared engine is restored to operation. I’m glad to see another Shay return to service. Hopefully the Mount Rainier Scenic can get their Climax, Heisler and Shay back into operation soon. The latter of which hasn’t seen operation for nearly a quarter of a century now.
Steam Enthusiast Productions you’re welcome. One of the guys on the crew was nice enough to lend me his hat to cover the camera until an umbrella could be retrieved from the car.
I live in Illinois and in the summer me and my family go to the Illinois train museum it’s so cool to see a new locomotive there. Also how ironic it’s raining
Beautiful train engine I'm really partial to Shay engines the Shay engine started in my hometown of Cadillac Michigan Empriam Shay designed the engine for getting lumber out of the Cadillac area there's a old Shay engine in the Cadillac city park on permanent display.
In WestVirginia there is the CASS SCENIC TRAIN which operates several Stays. The railroad traverses some grades of around 11%. WOW! They are beautiful to watch and are extremely smooth and powerful! If you want to pull the Empire State Building then get a Shay!!
The Shay 5's looks like it have cool machinery to it instead what's on traditional steam locomotives. What were those parts that made the locomotive move?
There are 3 double acting pistons, so each impulse of power is 60° apart, unlike a "standard" locomotive at 90° apart. The pistons drive a crank shaft, which connect to the driving wheels via right angle gears at each axle. Excellent for low speed torque, not so much for high speed.
@@WhatAboutTheBee I see what you mean on how that locomotive is not good for speed. I keep forgetting the names of what make the wheels turn with the sidebars of a normal locomotive
@@zetahunter It is excellent, however, for steep gradients and heavy haul. These were sometimes used in mountainous terrain, hauling logs down through rail cutbacks. Ideally suited for that
Crank shaft steam engines are really rare beasts to begin with. I am not sure what the real name is for this type of steam engine drive system. This is a real nice find and restoration.
That was built as an oil burner but IRM converted her to coal back in the earl 70's. She still burn coal or did you convert her back to oil? Oil from a local oil change business is usually available for penny's on the dollar. Very easy to burn used motor oil. Simply run it through a centrifuge to remove any water.
Rail Town or Flood Town?? Very tenacious rail fans out there. Spray lots of WD40 on the Shay's running gear! So exciting to see a new-looking Shay. First "all-wheel drive" loco.
A vertically driven locomotive with ALL wheels on both the engine and the tender are driven. The idea is to provide more tractive area over the entire engine-tender profile than on the engine itself. That, in combination with the smaller drive wheel finds an advantage in lesser wheel slip, more tractive effort, and thus, greater pulling effort. Negatives: not as fast as its horizontal pistoned cousins.
Wow! I didn't even know before this that anyone ever made a steam engine with vertical cylinders connecting to a crankshaft instead of directly to the wheels! Does the other side have another three cylinders to drive the other side wheels? I like seeing unusual stuff like that, although I have to confess that I still prefer the more traditional method of connecting the power directly to the wheels.
Nope. Three cylinders on the right side only, with the boiler offset to the left to counteract the weight. There were other kinds of geared steam engines though. The Climax and the Heisler. The Climax looks the most conventional out of them all, but it still looks weird. The Heisler has it’s cylinders meet at a center driveshaft in a V-formation, almost like a steam V-Twin Harley Davidson.
Not quite number 5 was built for a logging road, number 6 was built for the Western Maryland railroad and is the largest shay Lima ever built. 4 trucks and twice as heavy as number 5. Its job was moving loaded cuts of coal on branch lines up to as many as 50 cars at a time.
I'm scratching my head as to the purpose of the gear reduction locomotive. I thought regular direct drive steam locos have gobs of torque, so I'm dismissing that as being the reason. Better low speed throttle control maybe? Please enlighten me. Cool video.
Shays were originally designed for logging railroads where the tracks were laid roughly, the corners were tight, and the inclines were steep. The shays were designed so that all of their wheels were driven and arranged in groups of trucks/bogies, which allowed the wheels to conform to the rough terrain and have greater flexibility around tight corners. Additionally the gear reduction made them better adapted to climbing hills than regular steam locomotives.
Also, the torque output on regular steam locomotives is unstable, rising and falling with the motion of the side rods. Since shays have driveshafts (like a car) rather than side rods, the torque output is steady.
A little commentary on the Shay engine would be helpful for those who don't know much about it. Also this is a bit misleading. Only part of the video was Shay related.
A simple google search can turn up any information desired..I’m not ruining anymore of the video with narration over what is absolutely necessary. If you want to go and film just that engine and stitch it together...be my guest...it’ll look stupid lacking the context of everything going on around it.
@David Dou you see it in the service area? Rolling out to its train? Pulling in the station? That’s what there was to see. I wasn’t going to stand next to the thing and let the camera roll for 20 minutes because Shay...that’s what foamers do. You see the 5 in the context of everything that was going on. As I said earlier-you’re free to go out and film whatever kind of video you want.
@David Dou not touchy at all...I’m not entertaining white noise from someone that’s never made a video in his life. Like I said, go make something better and post the link for everyone to enjoy..sneering from the bleachers makes you white noise.
No it's not. It was built by the Baldwin Locomotive Works for export to Russia, but never made it. The U.S. cut off trade with Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. 1630 was one of 200 locomotives that remained in the states. Because they were orginally for export, they were nicknamed Russian Decapods by American crews.
mar c That is super debatable, as there is the firebox, boiler, cylinders, and other essential equipment to maintain on a steam locomotive, while a diesel locomotive only had the internal combustion engine and other key areas to maintain.
Nice to see the Shay back in service!
Thank you for persevering through all the rain to bring us a great video.
Thanks to all the volunteers who worked to refurbish so much valuable railway stock
including those beautiful electric interurban units.
A Shay running under trolley wire. You don't see that every day! Thanks for sharing the clip.
How about a boxcab Shay? Or maybe a boxcab climax?
Beautiful video. What miserable work in the rain for railroaders and loggers.
The Shay is interesting but i really love the 2-10-0! Nice to see a more "standard"type loco in a video instead of the more exciting much bigger stuff.Don't get me wrong i love all loco's just maybe because ive spent more time with the smaller stuff that i gravitate towards it.Really love the channel.
The Shay is back in business!
Glad you didn't drown in that downpour; excellent video. Would love to see more of the drive system on that shay...shay's were such impressive machines.
Steven Cooper That’s For Sure!
Rare is the day a geared engine is restored to operation. I’m glad to see another Shay return to service.
Hopefully the Mount Rainier Scenic can get their Climax, Heisler and Shay back into operation soon. The latter of which hasn’t seen operation for nearly a quarter of a century now.
Westside Lumber in California had a complete set of patterns for every casting used on there fleet of Shays.
That is so cool 2 loco's that I didn't think I would see in my lifetime ever run again the shay and the big boy
Looks like it was a fun day, despite the rain. Great footage of the Shay- haven't seen many of those running around. Thx for being there!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully one day I’ll make it out to Cass and get more Shay footage up 👍🏻
Glad your camera still works! We deeply appreciate your work thank you!
Steam Enthusiast Productions you’re welcome. One of the guys on the crew was nice enough to lend me his hat to cover the camera until an umbrella could be retrieved from the car.
@@TheSteamChannel that was nice of him. I hope to see you at Strasburg railroad when 611 comes to town.
All steam is good steam! Thanks for this video!
Personally, I am a fan of any jet engine but this steam video stole my heart.
An amazing steam locomotive
Beautiful Shay engine
Just something about a Shay!
Number five engine is a beautiful steam engine !
I glad she is running again after being sidelined for 20 years !! 👍💕💕😁
I love the Frisco's whistle!
We should preserve our antique.
I like steam trains great video
I live in Illinois and in the summer me and my family go to the Illinois train museum it’s so cool to see a new locomotive there. Also how ironic it’s raining
It's Illinois weather for you..
We’ve gotten a lot of rain this season.
Amazing it is back in service glad to see it running strong on the line I love my steam!
Lovable movie! great trains! Cheers
Hey That Railing at Illinois Railway Museum from America's Historic Steam Railroads.
The Shays are a neat engine to watch
Sugar pine railroad (tourist excursion) outside Yosemite has one
All this talk about the Big Boy, and this right here is more beautiful to me. Shays ftw.
I just love to see a shay in action. These engines were not made for speed, but they could haul a ton of weight.
Beautiful train engine I'm really partial to Shay engines the Shay engine started in my hometown of Cadillac Michigan Empriam Shay designed the engine for getting lumber out of the Cadillac area there's a old Shay engine in the Cadillac city park on permanent display.
I love 1630’s lonesome whistle
I think it is the whistle from defunct 1522
I am curious about a "movie/tv star" Shay, it was marked #3 , it was in a short lived tv series, "Peacemakers"
In WestVirginia there is the CASS SCENIC TRAIN which operates several Stays. The railroad traverses some grades of around 11%. WOW! They are beautiful to watch and are extremely smooth and powerful! If you want to pull the Empire State Building then get a Shay!!
Fantastic video ! 👍💕
One steam train is great but TWO steam trains is fantastic!! 😁💕👍
Love your videos 💕💕
Holy cow that was quite something for you to film in a downpour
Wonderful video, big thumbs up :)
I love Shays
Me too. With my first trips to both Roaring Camp and Cass in 1998, it's stuck with me for 21 years.
Fired this hot beast on a grueling July 4th....actually got out and walked in shadow of engine for relief.
Very cool
When can we see part 2 to see more of that great Shay loco?
thank you fro south italy for retuturn to steam haisler
Awesome.
What a beauty
The Shay 5's looks like it have cool machinery to it instead what's on traditional steam locomotives. What were those parts that made the locomotive move?
There are 3 double acting pistons, so each impulse of power is 60° apart, unlike a "standard" locomotive at 90° apart. The pistons drive a crank shaft, which connect to the driving wheels via right angle gears at each axle. Excellent for low speed torque, not so much for high speed.
@@WhatAboutTheBee I see what you mean on how that locomotive is not good for speed. I keep forgetting the names of what make the wheels turn with the sidebars of a normal locomotive
@@zetahunter It is excellent, however, for steep gradients and heavy haul. These were sometimes used in mountainous terrain, hauling logs down through rail cutbacks. Ideally suited for that
@@WhatAboutTheBee wow! Interesting. I think I know why those trains were good for the job but I'm not sure how to explain that.
@@WhatAboutTheBee Thanks for that. No.5 must be the most unusual loco I've seen. Pistons on just one side?
Crank shaft steam engines are really rare beasts to begin with. I am not sure what the real name is for this type of steam engine drive system. This is a real nice find and restoration.
There seems to be a lot more footage of 1630 then N0: 5
Well a shay is a lot slower than 1630 so where hes set up is more likely to have 1630 run by instead of no.5
The 1630 takes less time to steam up, at 180 psi, while Shay 5 has to steam up to 190 psi.
That was built as an oil burner but IRM converted her to coal back in the earl 70's. She still burn coal or did you convert her back to oil? Oil from a local oil change business is usually available for penny's on the dollar. Very easy to burn used motor oil. Simply run it through a centrifuge to remove any water.
James Shanks She still burns coal.
First time I've seen an engine configured like the #5. Vertical instead of horizontal pistons.
That's a Shay locomotive - configured for heavy pulling, but not much on speed. There are several in West Virginia that are operational.
Some thing tells me Frisco 1630bis nearing her tickets end now either that or last minute maintenance
Hardly, it was just out back in service in 2014. Work is always ongoing with steam
@@TheSteamChannel that is true, the fact her cylinder covers were gone is what prompted that, thanks for the clarification.
I noticed that in the servicing area, just normal maintenance. They have their hands loaded with two steam engines and a third on the way.
@@TheSteamChannel 3rd?
@@TheSteamChannel guess Kentucky is not going to be that special for 3 steamers now
Rail Town or Flood Town?? Very tenacious rail fans out there. Spray lots of WD40 on the Shay's running gear! So exciting to see a new-looking Shay. First "all-wheel drive" loco.
What is the little "house" on the Frisco tender for?
It’s the Doghouse. It was used to view out the backside for any signals, but as you can probably tell, it is not very effective.
WHAT kind of locomotive is that? The Shay # 5
A vertically driven locomotive with ALL wheels on both the engine and the tender are driven. The idea is to provide more tractive area over the entire engine-tender profile than on the engine itself. That, in combination with the smaller drive wheel finds an advantage in lesser wheel slip, more tractive effort, and thus, greater pulling effort. Negatives: not as fast as its horizontal pistoned cousins.
Wow! I didn't even know before this that anyone ever made a steam engine with vertical cylinders connecting to a crankshaft instead of directly to the wheels! Does the other side have another three cylinders to drive the other side wheels?
I like seeing unusual stuff like that, although I have to confess that I still prefer the more traditional method of connecting the power directly to the wheels.
Nope. Three cylinders on the right side only, with the boiler offset to the left to counteract the weight.
There were other kinds of geared steam engines though. The Climax and the Heisler. The Climax looks the most conventional out of them all, but it still looks weird. The Heisler has it’s cylinders meet at a center driveshaft in a V-formation, almost like a steam V-Twin Harley Davidson.
@@rucarnuts13 Humans come up with the most amazing ideas. :) Thanks for the information.
Nice one!
0:10 hey look its Gabe Newell, I don't know he was into trains
It looks like its him
Also he runs valve witch owns steam and we all know its logo but ya i didn't know he would go to something like this either
The shays sister is in mt.plosent iowa its the 9
It's coming back there from Georgetown this year and the Loop is getting Baldwin 12 back. But what about 12 and 14?
Utah, is that you?
That’s kinda funny. Shay #6 is in Cass and it’s the same model
Not quite number 5 was built for a logging road, number 6 was built for the Western Maryland railroad and is the largest shay Lima ever built. 4 trucks and twice as heavy as number 5. Its job was moving loaded cuts of coal on branch lines up to as many as 50 cars at a time.
With 1630 and Shay 5 both together under steam? Who's next?
Union Pacific 428
Well 975 sure is looking better
Hope they bring it back to life again.
Ronan Vave We have no plans of bringing this particular locomotive back to life at this time.
Where has been located?
Union, Illinois
These Steamers Are The Real Deal With Real Men . Some Guys Play With Toy Model Trains ( Mama - Boys )
Ah, I think we all have Model trains...
Cool
It is a shame kids today will never know he sound of a steamer working for a living
I'm scratching my head as to the purpose of the gear reduction locomotive. I thought regular direct drive steam locos have gobs of torque, so I'm dismissing that as being the reason. Better low speed throttle control maybe? Please enlighten me.
Cool video.
Shays were originally designed for logging railroads where the tracks were laid roughly, the corners were tight, and the inclines were steep. The shays were designed so that all of their wheels were driven and arranged in groups of trucks/bogies, which allowed the wheels to conform to the rough terrain and have greater flexibility around tight corners. Additionally the gear reduction made them better adapted to climbing hills than regular steam locomotives.
Also, the torque output on regular steam locomotives is unstable, rising and falling with the motion of the side rods. Since shays have driveshafts (like a car) rather than side rods, the torque output is steady.
I guess that's about what I was thinking and said in different words.
The Shay has to be a money pit, lots of moving parts to maintain.. But it was it worth it??? YES
A little commentary on the Shay engine would be helpful for those who don't know much about it. Also this is a bit misleading. Only part of the video was Shay related.
A simple google search can turn up any information desired..I’m not ruining anymore of the video with narration over what is absolutely necessary. If you want to go and film just that engine and stitch it together...be my guest...it’ll look stupid lacking the context of everything going on around it.
@David Dou you see it in the service area? Rolling out to its train? Pulling in the station? That’s what there was to see. I wasn’t going to stand next to the thing and let the camera roll for 20 minutes because Shay...that’s what foamers do. You see the 5 in the context of everything that was going on. As I said earlier-you’re free to go out and film whatever kind of video you want.
@David Dou not touchy at all...I’m not entertaining white noise from someone that’s never made a video in his life. Like I said, go make something better and post the link for everyone to enjoy..sneering from the bleachers makes you white noise.
You’re not displaying them?
beauty
Am I the only one who thinks the narrator sounds kinda like Peter Griffin? Nice video though.
I wish I could pull that accent off.
I'm a little uncomfortable when they're steamed....during rain!
Ah, and what do you think the railroads did when they were the primary power?
@@TheSteamChannel Ok, i know.They were steamed anyways, but rails get slippery...
Russian 2-10-0? Is it a russian locomotive?
Yes sir.
@@MackeyBigBoy4014 thats neat
No it's not. It was built by the Baldwin Locomotive Works for export to Russia, but never made it. The U.S. cut off trade with Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. 1630 was one of 200 locomotives that remained in the states. Because they were orginally for export, they were nicknamed Russian Decapods by American crews.
it would be cheaper to run steam engines today, than diasels. why not? they have better use than amuzment rides
mar c
That is super debatable, as there is the firebox, boiler, cylinders, and other essential equipment to maintain on a steam locomotive, while a diesel locomotive only had the internal combustion engine and other key areas to maintain.
One thing i dislike about american steam locos is the damn bell. Its so annoying! Yeah its law but its dumb.
Good one mate.
I like the bells. It helps identify when a locomotive is approaching.