CAN BORACITY CONVINCE ME?? | BTS React - 3
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2023
- Thank you guys for all the suggestions! This video quickly taught me more about BTS, their history and why metal/rock fans are into them as well. See you next time!
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Their topics in the school era were actually very impactful. Socioeconomic struggles, class divides, mental health issues, cyber bullying and haters, and the pressures on students that make SKorea have the highest suicide rate in the 10-19 age range in the world, to name a few, all packaged in hard hitting hip hop and smooth R&B.
Ah interesting! I thought maybe the highschool stuff would be more happy-go-lucky
@@wundertam On the contrary, it's a heavy topic in South Korea (heavy and not talked about openly). There are documentaries about it (SK education system) in YT if you want to check the status of things before delving into their school trilogy lyrics ^^
They even have a pre-debut song called "Vote" encouraging people turning 18 to exercise their right to vote.
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No, they were fierce and hungry (like also literally, because they were broke. Lol) and had a lot to say, strongly, when they started. They were 15-20 in age range at their debut in 2013. They took a lot of heat from those in power for it. It was a time of cultural and government suppression of speech and artists and they were firmly rooted in the socially conscious and defiant Hip Hop spirit and writing their own music right from the jump, both very unusual in their industry. They were underdogs and misfits in the industry in every sense.
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Since they were writing autobiographically and self referentially, they also wrote about their experiences as industry underdogs and targets of a lot of hate, and of course some about young love, the confusion of growing up and learning who you are and what you want and how to talk to girls, etc.
Their songs even about heavy topics often come packaged in fun sounding bops or seeming party anthems. Of course they also have some songs that are just for fun too. They have hundreds of songs. Their catalog is deep. 20 albums as a group, ten among various members as solo artists, and many collabs, singles, OSTs and covers.
@@wundertamno, their school era I would say was very difficult to pull off. I mean, in a way their music was rebellious so of course citizens do not want BTS' music to be aired.
They also criticized the government, the older generation, the harsh education system...
And what's crazy is that they weren't that famous at that time so they don't have much power. And their government could actually blacklist them because they blacklisted a lot of artists that are against them. They could literally be cancelled anytime at that time. But them not casually risking their careers to speak out is not BTS.
I would say BTS had balls even back then hahhahaha. Live on television, them singing about the corrupt politicians.
But now, no one could literally cancel BTS, they are too big and beyond Korea's power, due to their international influence.
I mean, they have diplomatic passports now and are announced as President Envoys. Because they bring a lot of money to their economy.
It's cute, they're a boyband basically who had spoken at the white house and United Nations general assembly, the rest of the guests there was presidents and prime ministers.
in fact, J-Hope is the “sunniest” member 😅. But in the most recent solo work he released (the album jack in the box) he decided to show another side of him that fans didn't know yet, so the sound is heavier and the aesthetic is darker compared to his previous solo works, both works are equally good
I lol when she said that
Fun fact: J-Hope is known to be ARMY’s sunshine 😂
He’s the brightest being, with the biggest smile and his laugh is contagious 💜
But just like all the other members, Hobi is not one dimensional, his art also touches on darker topics because life is not only sunshine and rainbows
27:01 the femininity in Boy with Luv is actually a callback to their "macho persona" on their old song Boy in luv
Plus, I feel like this look was also a strong statement to the western public that view them as "too girly"
They're not trying to be digestable to the korean public, they are reflecting on their old view on love and masculinity
Thanks for the info!
I'm a metalhead too, I saw Rammstein twice and I've been to lots of festivals. But my fav group is BTS.
Nice!!
I’m a 58 year old metal head too.. and love BTS since 2016.. love them more and more as time goes on
"The darkest person..."😂 is our sunshine!!!
12:54 no matter your personal opinion bts members loved those songs, their fans loved those songs, they were made to bring happiness and everyone had so much fun, and bts achived so much with those songs, and there is nothing westernized about them, bts have always tried new things and them doing some fun pop in english was just another new thing they tried
to add to that, many people think those songs don’t have any meaning, but they do - to spread happiness, fun and hope during a time when everyone was having a hard time during the pandemic. they sang in english to appeal to more people on a global scale, bc this was a global pandemic that affected people on a GLOBAL scale
„the very innocent Jimin“
HAH you have no idea.
I'd say that Suga (AgustD) is the darkest of them all and J-Hope is the brightest. Also RM is very dark too. But the thing is they are not one dimensional, so Suga's (AgustD) solo work is moody, depressive and aggressive af, but then BOOM and you have a bunch of hopefull, reassuring, warm and gentle songs from him. And there we have J-Hope with his bright and sunny personality and funky beats, but you read the lyrics to his songs and holy f*ck, dude, do you need help, do you want a hug? And then this sunshine releases dark album with a lot of rock vibes, but the lyrics are hopeful and kinda optimistic. And RM is very moody and clever, so his work is multidimensional too, bringing out a lot of different emotions in you.
Vocalists are a little different story. Most of the time they are not the ones who write and produce their solo music, so this is not always their direct expressions of themselves, but they are the ones to choose what song they want to take to themselves. And because they all have very different tastes in music, each of their styles are very distinctive from others. Like JK loves pop music (also he was kinda rock fan in his teens, lol, we have video of him vibing to Linkin Park song Given Up), V loves jazz, blues and R'nB, Jimin and Jin do mix of different genres, but still very recognisible.
PS. I am metalhead too, but BTS very quickly became my favourite artists.
@@NanciBK ah, yes, you are right. I didn't have a chance to look into V's Layover credits yet, so I didn't really knew what part in production and songwriting he took, so I happy to learn that he had a big part in it's creation. I know that Jimin is songwriter and producer of Face. But still it's like the first really big projects for them to work on individually and have a chance to shine with their own styles to full extent. I hope it's a start for them as solo artists (while being in BTS of course). I'd really want to JK be a part of production and songwriting team for his mini-album, but recent talks make me doubt it and I really hope that these rumors are wrong. We'll see. I also not sure if Jin truly found his sound and style yet. So I am very excited for his future album after he finishes his duty to see what it will contain.
@NanciBK V didn't write any of his solo songs in layover but he was in charge of everything meaning all the song in his album was what he wanted and fits his vibe for the debut album.
I am surprised, given how he has talked about working on the songs I thought he was writing.
he has not one writing, producing or composing credit on the album @@NanciBK
@@notbanksy2977still everything was his decision he worked with the writers to make the songs fit him personally.
We can't put their personalities nor their music in a box, they're so complex and their dualities are quite a spectacle.
I used to listen to Alterbridge, 5FDP, Epica, Seether, System of a Down and sometimes Slipknot. I am still casually listrn to them. But it was in pandemic that BTS had my attention, now my playlist is BTS cause they have it all. Each 7 has uniqe personalities, and make great music together
Who is jhope? darling jhope is our ray of sunshine 😊
Im kind of seeing myself listening to metal more casually instead of pumping it all day too😂
1 member, yoongi (suga) has struggled with various mental health issues since childhood & writes about it. Mental health isnt really taken seriously in Korea, so rathar than being the perfect time, it was a rather taboo topic in their home country. Tho the time frame is right for when overall mental health was being more talked about elsewhere.
As others have said, their early albums were just as deep and meaningful and actually important as they are today, including the school trilogy. They came out the gate swinging. Even the meaning that BTS & ARMY stand for are deep. Like not the literal translations but the figurative meaning. 💜
You can't underestimate the School trilogy.
BTSs debut song was a rebellious anthem. Of course, there are more love songs during that era too but still they spoke about their experiences a lot.
Every era of bts means something personal to the members.
I would say NEVER listen to just individual bts songs.
ALWAYS check out ALBUMS.
It's always my first advice while getting into bts. ALWAYS ALBUMS ... because their albums are sometimes structured as narratives.
For example the wings album from 2016 which was based on demian by Hermann Hesse has themes of temptation and pains of growing up.
In 2018 they completed the love Yourself albums which consists of 3 different albums called Her, Tear and Answer. It's supposed to be a storyline of 1. A person falling in love 2. Changing themselves for their lover and loosing themselves and then 3. Realising they need self love.
This runs in parallel to bts's career back in those 2 years.
They experienced a boost in there fame in 2017 with LY Her album and bts really enjoyed American attention that era.
Then the next year, during during the production of LY Tear was one of the the most harshest period in their careers, they questioned whether they even like music cus they overworked themselves due to pressure from the fame they gained with the LY Her album. The story of the lover hiding his real self runs in parallel to bts's mental states at the time... they almost disbanded before they released the LY Tear album.
Then with the LY Answer album, they resigned their contracts again and decided to heal and ask themselves why they chose music. The answer album's title track is Idol which is a song about taking pride in themselves and their origins and culture.
So like this, every bts album is inevitably based on bts own career experiences.
They usually use a lot of metaphors to make these experiences more universally understood. But their honesty and sincerely always comes across.
One of my favorite songs is Outro tear, which is written and performed by the 3 rappers. When it came out as part of the LY Tear album in 2018, people assumed it was about the fictional lover of the 3 Albums breaking up with their partner because of the mask they had to wear to love the other (the original 3 part storyline). The songs lyrics are extremely heart-wrenching and violent at some parts. We fans joked to each other asking who hurt the bts members and laughed.
It wasnt until 2 years later that it was revealed in a documentary that the song was written towards the members of bts in 2018, when they were considering disbanding due to exhaustion. It came as a shock to fans, the song is extremely difficult to listen to now, knowing what it is about and how real the feelings portrayed in the song was.
So like this, a majority of bts songs are inspired by bts own experience with their careers and their life.
You're so right when you say never check their songs individually
Cause more often than not, the songs are just pieces of a puzzle and you can't really appreciate the piece without the complete puzzle and see the whole picture.
And sometimes, their albums is also piece of a puzzle too.
You need to see the BTS guide made by Taylor, I think it is the best way to introduce us to their stories and music, just like thank you for reacting to them, I am a person who loves rock and although I no longer listen to it like I did before, I am still excited that people who love rock give BTS a chance
Will do! Planning to record that once i am recovered
Thanks for your reaction 😊
Jhope is usually one of the more cheerful members... his solo songs before releasing his album last year were more vibrant and colorful songs so to speak, although you could definitely see the message about self-discovery and self-acceptance. In his most recent work he surprised us with a slightly darker side with Arson and More and we loved it... showing that he likes to try new things on his music. I think the song before their album with the "least positive" lyrics was "Intro: Boy meets evil" from the album Wings by BTS. Jhope's rap style is very distinctive and I think he is the one that most applies "sung rap" and sometimes it seems to me like it has reggae influences, but it is a personal opinion. Although the songs "Arson" and "More" have more of a rock vibe.
RM is the main song writer of BTS although the 3 rappers actively participate, and for some songs also the members of the vocal line. RM is more poetic in his writing and is very reflective. At his beginnings, on his mixtapes he tried to prove to the rappers of the underground scene where he came from that he was still a rapper (they questioned and minimized him for "becoming an Idol" of Kpop) and he also has several songs towards haters and social themes... and you will also find songs about reflections on everyday life and self knowledge. I'm not much into rap but I enjoy BTS's rap because it's more dynamic to me, it doesn't always sound the same and I'm also drawn to the songs they play. So far the album that I particularly liked the most of BTS's solo works has been "Indigo" by RM wich surprised me becaused I'm not into Rapa as I said before... but in general the 3 rappers have a level of musical quality that cannot be denied. From him I recommend "Wild Flower", "Still life" (from the album Indigo) "Intro: Persona" from the album Map of the Soul.
Suga aka Agust D is the rapper who touches on the most themes of depression and anxiety... he has a more confrontational and gloomy style. He also comes from the underground rap scene and was criticized and belittled by his fellow rappers just like RM, so in his mixtapes before his album "D-Day" he also sought to prove to his haters that he was a real rapper and he responds to them through his songs.
In real life, the members of BTS are peaceful, not confrontational, they are very noble men, but also in Korea there is a lot of respect for elders... hierarchies are well respected, so even if they were snubbed frontally, they maintained composure and diplomacy, but they respond on their songs as soloists and in the subunit that the rappers have where the trio expresses their feelings and thoughts about the haters in a very intelligent way and without naming anyone specifically. From Suga I suggest his trilogy of videos "Daewchita", "Haegeum" and "Amygdala" but I also like "Interlude: Shadow", "People", "People pt2 ft IU",
Regards from México
thank you for reacting to this video! i was just as skeptical as you when i first got into bts, but after watching hours and hours of their content or content about them and their message and following the armys discussions on social media, i quickly understood that bts are very sincere artists and thats when i became army. theyre not trying to ride the wave, they only speak about what theyre going thru or whats on their minds. and we can verify that because they documented in various ways so much of their journey, starting from their pre-debut days. after i watched the rise of bangtan serie (fanmade), things became even clearer to me, when i linked it to their lyrics from every era. army grew thanks to their message, be it lyrics, their behavior and personalities or even their strong bond. without those, they would have most likely failed in the end, as their company was very small and bts were basically their best shot at the time. and army helped them survive in the world of kpop, at first, and now worldwide. im always shocked at the many levels of depth bts' music can have. also, their live performances are the best, their energy is crazy, they love being on stage and performing for army the most. and also, i like the fact that they have "happy" songs or songs that dont hold very personal or serious meanings attached to them (not that theyre not as good), cuz we also need those. bts made me understand that. also, j-hope slayed so hard at lollapalooza, performing for a crowd of 105k. take your time on this journey 💜
Jhope is nothing but dark. He is literal sunshine. He is very fluid when he comes to his music. He can go from happy go children's songs to ear blasting metal music. Suga also other member of BTS who is a rapper goes by AGUSTD which his alter ego. Maybe you could call that his dark side . But like i said, suga also composes different types of music as well as RM , another rapper could do both easily . Rapline, vocaline, and BTS themselves are very versatile as soloists and as a group. Their identity is not K-pop persona , they are way ahead of that. Its just themselves, the music, the costumes, the message they give at certain time lines, everything are just too personal, not because of the trend or impressing a certain set of the audience. If not, i don't think they would be able to attract millions of different audience all over the world, including rock fans. They are so much universal in terms of music. Also, about the Army, just yesterday, BTS has donated 1 billion won to UNICEF in the name of their fandom ARMY, and ARMYS are trying to match the donations. BTS has never said to do social welfare or donations or movements. They only convey their message through their music and their actions, and they are artists who are a good influence for Armys and society as well. They are so many more things about BTS that sets apart from K-pop groups and also many Western artirsts in general weather its music or fandom culture.
Giggling at your interpretation of each member. J Hope the darker member, Jimin the innocent, Jungkook the woman magnet 😂🤣😉 Can't wait for you to find out 😂🤣
Dark undertone - can't wait for you to find out about the Bangtan Universe (BU), the fictional storyline that runs through many of their MVs, notebooks, webtoon called Save Me, and even a mobile game.
Western media is completly oblivious to the impact and rebelious nature of BTS's music, you will never hear abt it from them. "BTS: More Than K-Pop" by bby gang mag is a great video to understand this aspect of BTS better. Some things may go over your head towards the end due to being very new to this kpop world, but I think there's a lot you can take away from it even if you don't do a reaction to it and just watch it on your own time.
Something many armys will prob suggest to you as well is that you watch the Taylor guide "The bangtan 7" to understand more abt each member of BTS. Borahae💜
In entertainment I can see why you would think the beauty standard for men is feminine but it actually a very macho patriarchal and anti feminist country. It is alot to go into in a comment section but we are all victims of the patriarchy lol
Im not a victim of patriarchy and perfectly fine with the traditional values my cultural and religious environment teach me but it is definitely something to see the societal shift happen
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I'm not saying they started the androgynous look but, they was definely one of the front liner of the halyu until it became the norm in Korea, so they were in the frontline of hate, they used to be ridiculed for looking like girls, in my country i guess one of the reason for the hate train of BTS is apparently they look gay.
Male kpop idols normally look manly back then, but thanks to BTS, other male groups in kpop are not that afraid to look feminine anymore because BTS is so popular. So they basically was the fore front of the change, i would say the halyu was on 2015-2016.
Yea i still see the same type of hate happen in my country
dark J-Hope and innocent Jimin, that get me rolling on the floor🤣
Lol
5:43 "Just having fun on stage, just basically looking like you're doing whatever you want, you are having fun doing whatever you think is best to be doing at that mometn" That is exactly what BTS is doing on the stage : )
I recommend you their "Attack on Bangtan" live stage! It has Eng CC, and you will see how they own the stage !!
Feminine side in this video wasen't about beauty standarts, yes Korea has very high beauty standart, and actually most members in BTS dosen't fit this standarts, Jin has classic beauty that is in high regart in korea. Hmm she was talkin about feminine side in person, next to persona, ego, shadow, and it is about Carl Jung concept of "I", bc this is what they refered in this album (Map of the soul) and Jung thought that every person has feminin part and manly part inside, every man has some women inside and every women had a little of man inside, that is why spectrum of personalities is so wide bc they are fir example very femine women but they are also tomboy women, the same with man... That is what she was trying to said that pink and all softness in this song was for showing that side, too.
I won't write about school bc a lot of comments said a lot about it, you mostly talked this part over in video so I don't know how mych you catch.
I think it is also a lot about cultural difference I don't know from were are you from but bc you remember 2015 or 2016 as years that a lot of mental health topic were discussed then great but not all the world was like that. And of course like you said in media there maybe was a lot of talk but talk and action are two different thing, not to say if talk is only in one launguage (english) then there is not real talk bc most of the world speak in theirs own launguage, and don't even know english. I hope that you understand what I try to say. In my coutry is saying that I don't know if it translates good to english but "your perspective is from the place you ate siting" in short people only see what is around were they sit... So yeah
Going back to topic big cultural aspect about Korea is that that mental heath was joke then and it got better but it still is something that people don't want to talk or are ashame of, it is like stigma most if the times. And there us not that much profesional help.
I know kpop bands but I don't listen to any, only BTS, bc you simply feel them, and rest bands hmm some songs may be fun and good to play but that is all for me I don't feel any connection, bc when you get to know BTS you get from tgem so much more then simple artist - fan realation, so yeah sometimes I play some songs that catch my ear but It dosen't make me a fan bc it is simple cusual exoerience, nothing more.
So yeah, BTS said - if you listen to our music you will like it. So you have to go with open heart and without sterotypes to their stuff.
And of course you can not like then and that is ok too....
being feminine to suit korea beauty standart? no. it's not how they try to fit korea beauty standart it is about how they try to break stereotypes the world has for a man. they talk about toxic masculinity, how the world labelling man with such things, man shouldn't cry man cant be affectionate and affiliating color with such gender. they portray that with dressing in pink glamorous outfit in the music video, as we know pink is affiliated with woman, that's why she say in the video that they portray social commentary into complementing their psychological "Persona" album
J-HOPE headlined LALLAPALOOZA 2022 he made history by having the highest ticket sales in lallapalooza history 💜🔥❤ In Korea school work is major, they basically go to from 8am or 9am to 5pm then have night school or work with private tutors until 10pm, Korea has the biggest suicide rate in the world, after all this time and years they go to school it all comes down to one exam that sets their future, and BTS songs in the early years were about all the pressure the kids are under.
That gives alot more context to the highschool days music, thanks! AND YES I def believe he can sell out stadiums by himself with that voice, vibe and lyricism wow
BTS are 7 very different, talent and hard working artists and I love their diversity. My punk/hardrock phase was somewhere in 80s, still listen time to time. And my playlists are full of all kind of music from all over world with BTS. Greetings from the edge of north Europe
Their school era I would say was very difficult to pull off. I mean, in a way their music was rebellious so of course citizens do not want BTS' music to be aired.
They also criticized the government, the older generation, the harsh education system...
And what's crazy is that they weren't that famous at that time so they don't have much power. And their government could actually blacklist them because they blacklisted a lot of artists that are against the government . They could literally be cancelled anytime at that time. But them not casually risking their careers to speak out is not BTS.
I would say BTS had balls even back then hahhahaha. Live on television, them singing about the corrupt politicians.
But now, no one could literally cancel BTS, they are too big and beyond Korea's power, due to their international influence.
I mean, they have diplomatic passports now and are announced as Presidential Envoys. Because they bring a lot of money to their economy.
It's cute, they're a boyband basically who had spoken at the white house and United Nations general assembly, the rest of the guests there was presidents and prime ministers
male k-pop idols aren't the korean standard for masculinity and are often criticized and mocked for it. BTS themselves were both mocked for being "too feminine" while the looks of a few members were very badly hated on for not fitting korean beauty standards. Whatever assumptions you have, it's always best to cast them aside when it comes to BTS. As you get to know them and learn about them, I think you'll see why. They truly broke the mold. thanks for reacting, love boracity videos. Looking forward to your journey.
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You have no idea how committed these guys are to their crafts and performances.
They would even have mental breakdowns and cry whenever they get injured and were advised to just sit during the performances. They love performing so much..
In numerous occasions, Jimin's knee are seen bruised or bleeding during their performances due to his dancing.
There was one time,
There was an interview about a host, and he said before BTS performed he fell down at the back of the stage and landed on Jungkook, basically Jungkook saved him but Jungkook still performed after that. After ARMYs found about that interview they searched that clip of the particular performance nothing seemed odd during a performance it was still as explosive as it usually was but ARMYs noticed Jungkook's subtle change in complexion whenever he had to full swing his shoulders. So it was only then when ARMYs knew that Jungkook was in pain during that performance, they are really good at hiding it for the performance.
But the one with SUGA was the craziest, he actually had an accident during their early debut days because he was part timing as a delivery boy, and he broke and injured his shoulder but nobody knew about cuz he didn't tell anyone because he was afraid he'll be kicked out of the company. Reminder, most of the BTS members and the company was really poor, it was an 'all or nothing' bet on BTS, we're so glad it turned out great.
But anyways, Suga's shoulder injury was so severe and he hid it for so long that he finally had a surgery during the pandemic, yes, it was about 4-5years later the accident.
After ARMYs found out about it, they rewatched clips of SUGA closing his eyes everytime something hit his shoulder. It crazy how that went unnoticed for years.
And you would definitely see a lot of times they performed with a bondage on their fingers or whole arms.
Is it more intrinsic motivation and dedication or do you think the label and agents are the root of it?
@@wundertam definitely just their drive and passion.
@@wundertam hahhaha but it's bugging me why you pointed out their label.
It's not what you think, Big Hit their company, the CEO and their staffs love the boys, they even scolded SUGA for not telling them sooner. They payed for the surgery and even funded for SUGA's college after they found out that the reason why he was sidelining as a delivery boy was because his parents can't pay for his tuition.
@@wundertam what's more amazing is their company at that time was very broke, near bankruptcy, no power no influence, but still believed in the boys even though for 2 years after BTS' debut there were no signs of them becoming successful but they all held on.
If it wasn't for Big Hit, who trusted the boys, if it wasn't for their company risking everything for them, if it wasn't for their company that valued artistic freedom than anything else, BTS couldn't had written their lyrics and messages which resonated with their fans that's why ARMY hustled twice as hard for BTS' music to be heard.
Basically BTS, ARMY, & Big Hit hustled hard to become successful, BTS used to share a small and cramped room for years before they blew up.
@@wundertam BTS and their company literally has the greatest underdog story ever, considering that Big Hit used to be broke and not part of the Big 3 (aka. the 3 most dominant kpop labels/company in South Korea which basically just monopolize media and awards because their power and influence are too big. Basically every group that debuts under the big 3 has a secure future. All most successful groups except BTS is part of the Big 3, including 2NE1, BigBang, Twice, EXO, Black pink, etc.
No groups outside of the Big 3 has ever won a grand prize nor has become successful but that was until BTS and ARMY challenged the system and found its own way to succeed.
BTS is an anomaly, the most normal way to succeed was to get into a big label and do a lot of promotions, that way groups will earn fans through media exposure.
But BTS has the fans but no media exposure. Their success story is the total opposite, the company was broke so it was the fans that promoted them, they would post about them, they would translate their contents so that international audience would see them, thanks to that, it was the international fans that made them famous. Yes, quite the opposite of what we thought happened, it's actually the other way around, they aren't the most famous and successful group in South Korea that's why they became known internationally, but they became famous internationally first and then became famous in South Korea for being famous internationally, but they don't know BTS at all, they also just assumed that they were part of the BiG 3 that's why they're famous.
27:03 in this era, bts album was based on jung’s psychological theory. in jungian psychology, the persona refers to the social mask or role that an individual presents to the outside world. it’s the aspect of our personality that we show to others, often influenced by societal expectations and norms. so when she said persona she was referring to this concept, not the colloquial meaning of persona. so this feminine & glamorous aesthetic was purposeful but for the concept they were going for, not to be more digestible. also bc it’s not something they continue, they change to a darker aesthetic in the next comeback.
I'm not hugely into rock or metal, but I do have a huuuge weak spot for Rammstein among others (they're melodic!) - but I'm 47 and BTS is my first band crush ever...
I don't generally like rap, either, and yet I find myself drawn mostly to their rapline or rap-heavy music.
Haegeum, Run BTS, Wild Flower, More - so much awesome music, both new and old!
(Shadow, Mama and Persona are older solo favourites from the rapline.)
And yet the vocal line absolutely KILLS it with haunting songs and lyrics that will melt you.
j-hope is my bias. Loooove him.
As a metal and rock fan, I am partial to the rap line in general. They do tend to go harder more often on their solo songs. That would be RM, j-hope and Suga/Agust D. They are also the main songwriters for the group.
Oh dear WunderTam don't assum that their love and school songs are not meaningful or important, especially if you know how school in Korea is. Just to give you a slight inside: Korea has THE highest su!cide rate in the world amongst teenage students
"jhope is like the dark person of the group?" hoooo you made my day😆😆, he is actully the sunshine of the group
It's so funny she asked if jhope is the "darker" person 😂😂😂
you are right about the feminine look. it is about the korean culture but what happened after BTS overtook the western was that many people started to look at asian people diffrently.
before asian men was considered the most unattractive men in the world by statistic. but is now ranking way higher. many tanks BTS for making that change.
but they didn´t actually do anything. i mean they just do what others in korea are doing regarding looks. but their lyrics is what made us look behind the facade and look at the people.
in their lyrics they talked about things they find needed to be talked about. not aiming to change peoples life but was amazed by the fact that it did.
and they have been given the highest honor in korea for bringing so much attention to korea through their music. other groups will never get that award because they don´t write their own lyrics. and they dont care they only want to look pretty and dance on stage. making menaingfull songs people could relate to is not something kpop groups do. it´s all about money for the company who made them. so BTS is so unique and the goverment noticed that. and they also spoke at the UN about social issues. also other social artist like Coldplay noticed that and made a song with them
The problem was that (East) Asian people suffer from hyperfeminization/orientalism.
Rice Squad made a video how BTS made Asian mey sexy.
The more serious variant on the same topic are from bby gang mag/Elliot Sang who deals with the topic multiple times.
Not really BTS debut was not feminine at all the only time BTS was really feminine was Wings and MOTS Persona bc of the concept of the album not bc of korean beauty standard,Persona exploring Amina which is the feminine side of a man,not bc of the korea feminine beauty standard
They talked about a very taboo subject Mental Health even today it's not something that's talked about in South Korea. Suga (aka Agust D) battled with his mental health for years so it runs through their albums as does Jungian Pyschology they Rap and sing about Persona, Shadow and Ego. How those parts of themselves manifest in their own lives. They have 3 album all about 'Love Yourself' all about learning to understand that you have to learn to love and accept yourself before you can love anyone else. Jimin solo Album is about his struggles with his mental health while in Covid.
The fact that Jhope has a sunshine personality has me smiling haha
I have enjoyed your videos so far. Can't wait until you get further into the rabbit hole. 💜💜
Thank you so much!
My fav bts album so far is Love yourself tear, though i became a fan because of their album Map of the soul 7. So much good songs and stories behind. 💜
Standards of beauty is East Asia were always different. A lot of aspects of culture and beliefs in that area are different. You see the things very superficial. Same, you analyze their themes reporting to west, forgetting the country they are coming from, the social stereotypes and limitation, and the k-pop industry rules they broke it to become what they are today. Be open mind.
Not necessarily open mind but become more versed on socioeconomic structures in south korea
@@wundertam 25:16 Take this song for example, this one of BTS riskiest song that could have blacklisted them by their government. And being Blacklisted by their president basically means a death note to any Kpop band or any artist in Korea.
Yet, BTS still did it anyways .... cause they are not afraid to stand up for what's right.
If you think writing such song that criticize someone in power that treats South Korean Citizens as dogs and pigs is bold enough, BTS even did an extra mile to perform it in LIVE TELEVISION.
They aren't just bold, they are very BOLD.
They even used the Minister's words and put it their lyric and even do a choreography about it.
If it was any artist, the easiest thing to do in that situation was to stay silent, yet BTS did the exact opposite.
What's more interesting BTS wasn't even quite big back then yet they don't give a f who they offend.
And it isn't the first and only BTS song that they've done this, some of their MV for example are very secretively rebellious and has lots of symbolisms so it won't be understand by just anyone unless you're a fan who really bother to understand the deeper meaning behind it.
@@wundertam 27:30 I don't think you actually understand South Korea's Beauty standard at all.
In western P.O.V. the Men in SK are viewed or stereotyped as Feminine, but in SK's standard that's the normal "men", so any less masculine or more feminine than that is heavily criticized.
Take Jimin for example. You've reacted to Dynamite and said he looks like a girl, and you just think it's normal for them cause it's South Korea's standards of men.
But Jimin has always been criticized for being too feminine and too girly because of his voice and the way he moves, basically he's not included in the standard.
Western ppl thinks men in SK are feminine, but Men in South Korea don't think they're feminine but thinks male idols are quite feminine, but male idols who wears make-up don't think they're feminine but thinks BTS are soft, delicate and feminine.
In Asia, back then BTS are considered very feminine, cause if you compare them to other male Kpop groups who also wears make-up for manly aesthetics, BTS Wings ERA was void of those toxic manly traits and even has bold feminine aesthetics, which is quite "new" in Kpop, so pretty much in Asia, BTS was the only group that recieves a LOT OF HATE for being "Feminine".
Back then, hating BTS for being Feminine was a very popular trend amongst Asian Countries.
They'd even call them "gay" or "girls" to degrade them even more.
But since BTS didn't really care how they were negatively percieved as men and continued being "soft" in their LY Era.
They garnered even more fans cause of how bold and unique they are, for them BTS are actually the one's being truly "manly" cause they're not afraid to be criticized or follow the social norms men are expected to follow.
So just like that, BTS had normalized the viewed "feminine" as the new standard in SK in Asia.
So when they released Boy with Luv with very pink and soft Femininely aesthetics, there was no longer any violent reactions cause it was gradually becoming a norm, which was started by them and a lot of Kpop had followed along.
In this Era, being too "soft" as a man is no longer quite looked down upon, even crying in public and being openly scared is now more accepted, even male idols wearing pink and skirts are now viewed as "cool".
BTS popularized that, also to tell you honestly, in Asia, men don't actually wear makeup cause they don't want to be seen as feminine, but in entertainment industry especially in SK, men wearing make-up is to be expected to look more presentable not to look "feminine", but since BTS is very popular worldwide, most people think South Korean men are like that and since people love to put everything in box and assume all Asia Countries are like South Korea, China, and Japan.
Now, Asian men are stereotyped as less manly and feminine.
@@rafaelsmith5737 thanks for the explanation! Rlly gives more layers to the cultural aspects
@@wundertam read my comment again cause I just edited more info.
Thank you for this reaction! Get well soon💜
Thank you!! 😊
The lyrics site she mentioned that gives context is doolset, armys love it for English translations of their Korean songs
Thanks!
Jhope the darker person in BTS?
HAHHHAHAHAHA
No, it's actually quite the opposite 😅
"𝐈𝐬 𝐣𝐡𝐨𝐩𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐫 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧?" 𝐈𝐦 𝐜𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐬𝐮𝐧𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞😂😂😂😂
As a metal listener I was surprised too, when I suddenly got into BTS. But their music is just so good! Metal fans getting into BTS happens more often than one might think.
Yes the Run BTS dance practice with English subs (there isn’t a music video but this song seems up your alley). J-Hope is a member of BTS. More is a great J-Hope mv and one you seemed to enjoy even though there was only a small clip. On the Street is the video he released right before he enlisted in the military…it features J-Cole.
27:15 bts are just comfortable in their identities so they wear and do what they want, including things some do not find masculine
If you want go see BTS having fun on stage you have to watch a live performance of So What. One of my favourite tracks.
Wait until you watch Blood Sweat and Tears. It’s all about temptation, you’ll see angels and devils, black and white all over the place in it. Reading up on the lyrics and hidden clues in it will impress you
I've just started binge watching your videos and I'm enjoying your honesty and unique perspectives! It's funny how you almost always guessed what boracity would say next 😂 I can see how you will quickly fall into this Bangtan rabbit hole 😉 I like your sociological insights and I never realized how the music of BTS followed the zeitgeist of our times until you mentioned it. That must be one of the reasons they picked up fans throughout every era.
I'll look forward to your next reactions. Continue keeping it honest, have fun, and just embrace and enjoy this whole journey you're about to take.
My album recommendations for you:
Dark & Wild (BTS 2014, has elements of rock, r&b, hip hop)
Wings (BTS 2016, explores dark themes, identity, the psyche and has some lore in it)
mono (RM, 2018, an incredible mixtape with an "indie" vibe talking a lot about getting in and out of mental health struggles)
Jack in the Box (j-hope 2022, rock-infused hiphop concept album that delved into the shadows of our resident sunshine boy)
Thank you so much for the kindness💚
Boy w Luv made me a fan and I am a metal head woman. So I was exactly like Boracity Mag
Thank you for your reaction. I'm a huge BTS fan... I'm 47 and grew up listening a variety of music in English and Spanish. I was into boy group (Menudo) which was pop and soft rock and also loved the 80 and 90s rock bands and heavy metal. Love techno, rap, R&B and BTS checks and fulfills all that and more. They are definitely worth listening to. J-hope is the one I adore the most. To me, his voice, dedication, kindness, his looks ☺️... he is very enigmatic. They all have their charm and are extremely talented. I look forward to seeing your journey.
It has been fun watching you getting to know the boys! I would love to see you getting in to the rabbit hole! Subscribed!💜
Hi! You may check out JHope’s Lollapalooza performance known as Hobipalooza because he rocked that show, it was super lit!
Fellow Rammstein fan here, I saw them the last time I was in Germany. Yes to the fireworks mmmm BTS are the same Fire and fireworks seem to play quite a big part in their concerts, Award Show stage etc etc. They even have a song called 'Fire'. oh J Hope one of his solo album has 'Arson'.
you should check JHOPE LOLLAPALOOZA PERFORMANCES
but I think you should check the group first to get the impression about what their colors and what they stand for before getting deep dive into their solo works
Not really BTS debut was not feminine at all the only time BTS was really feminine was Wings and MOTS Persona bc of the concept of the album not bc of korean beauty standard,Persona exploring Amina which is the feminine side of a man,not bc of the korea feminine beauty standard
Jhope did lil bit rockrap at his lalapooza consert listen to jhope jack in the boX i listen to prodogy now and then but when i met BTS I STOCK WITH THEM💜💜
Can’t believe you are under 400 subscribers.
But loved your commentary and know that ARMY will love what you are doing.
Prepare for a huge influx of ARMY. Most loving and happy to share how BTS has helped their world view/self love view. Some that will be dicks. 😂 (every group has them too).
But mostly..love. Borahae💜💜💜💜
Hi Timothy! Ive read all your comments and want to say thank you for all the suggestions and support, it means the world
I have to leave a comment about mental health. BTS have been writing about the topic since before their debut because South Korea has one of the highest student age suicide rates in the world. They wanted to speak for their generation and that included both "teenage hormonal" lyrics as well as valid socioeconomic criticisms against adults that contained the stories of their peers - at the time, Korean students barely slept, attended multiple academies until late at night, had to effectively compete with their friends to be the best studying machines which isolated them emotionally. This created a hostile environment of survival of the fittest, with bullying or failing tests frequently costing lives. By the time they started more directly addressing depression, not just in relation to school, they were already known as the socially conscious idol group who write their own lyrics and speak for their generation - something their CEO was actually made fun of for because people didn't understand how that would be marketable.
I get the reference to the romanticization of mental health and definitely a lot of Tumblerinas at the time jumped on the bandwagon due that but I'd argue, for that crowd, the usual "unrequited love / heartbreak" pop music appealed more and BTS attracted those who were genuinely struggling because it wasn't just sad music, it referenced real emotions.
They have always done things that would have gutted acts from large corporations. I personally found them through a tweet by Namjoon that showed support for LGBTQ+ people in 2013 - note that in Korea, you could still lose your job for being gay at the time & celebrities avoided the topic. BTS & their CEO openly supported LGBTQ+ folks & have been encouraging gender fluidity. And tbh the mere fact they were allowed to be active on Twitter was unheard of until BTS since idols had their phones confiscated by management & they had to get permission from managers. BTS had near complete freedom since their company was broke and had no brand the guys could tarnish. They were also allowed to be stupid or "problematic" because they were young and growth comes from mistakes.
I am a metal head but I love BTS and this explains it so well why
Jimin may look all cute and innocent but he is a menace to society especially in 2015 and 2019 he was a fuckboy, plus he is dangerous af with 9 years of martial arts training a blackbelt, don’t let their first impression fool you cuz they are way different from what the western close-minded world think about them
Do you have any songs/vids on his Fboy era? Alot of ppl are agreeing with him not being innocent😂
He was never a fuck boy he just had a different persona and even said he was insecure about his feminity and was coping with it. That wasn't the "real" him. Yes Jimin is very strong but he is a softie at the end of the day. It's not a bad thing.
@@-amel-9896 being a fuck boy isn't a bad thing cuz he isn't arrogant and full of himself he is just confident in his body jimin is still like that today but now what a combination of both feminine and masculine
I have fun watching your reaction 💙 also boracity's videos are quite good too. She's got a lot more videos that are interesting to watch related to bts. If you haven't, you can watch the guide to bangtan 7 by taylor.
the song you wanted to react to was change by RM it is amazing and many producers love it.
If having fun on stage means rock star vibe you must watch a live performance of So What.
20:42 their school trilogy was very meaningful and is to this day
20:57 many have grown up with them but it is hard to say anything since they always gain new fans from all ages and backgrounds, the most in 2017-2018 and 2020 probably
Yes, RM is the one fluent in English (although we do know some of them are more fluent than they let on). I think you’d really like Outro: Tear. It has all three rap line members and is intense. What I’ve found for a lot of their songs (other than the English trio) is that the more it’s a bop, the more likely that it’s social commentary. Go Go from the video is a really good example of this. You listen to a song like that and chair dance and then you read the lyrics and/or watch an explanation video and say OHHHHHHHH WHOA. Their choreography ties into it too, which is pretty amazing.
I know i'm late, and you may have talked about this in a later video, but I hope while you were editing this you actually read the lyrics to the school trilogy songs (No More Dream and N.O.). I think you were so focused on the look that you missed the point Bora was making about the intense subject matter of their first albums trilogy. Yes, the fashion and styling was peak 2010's, but they're literally talking to a generation of kids who are under such intense pressure and have no room for their own dreams and they're telling them to stand up and fight for what they want, not what their parents or adults want. They're telling them that there's more to life than school and grades and university and really advocating for the mental well being of young people.
😂😂😂 jhope the darker? 😂😂😂😂
Yes those 3 songs were not serious they were fun in a time when everyone needed some fun because of Covid.
I know you are young but look at 80's music men weren't afraid to show their more feminine e side and weaing clothes with lace and bows make up and what would be considered feminine hair style's that was based on Previous 18century dress. It was the Romantic era this all came about before Kpop was even invented.
Hybe donated 1 Billion Won to Unicef in celebration of the new BTS contract. ARMY is currently donating to UNICEF to #MatchABillion
I LOVE boracity's videos. But there is a small bit of carelessnesses in pretty much all of them - mostly concerning other artists.
But in this case it is "GoGo".
Can you interpret it like that from a Western viewpoint? Sure!
The problem is they are Korean and tend to have more mercy on the troubled youth.
There are two vids by Koreans that explain the song that you can find easily as the Korean subtext can get lost.
It helps if you know what "n-po generation" means (wikipedia has an article) as they even play with that in "Dope".
Personally it helps when you watch *bby* *gang* *mag* 's video essays and *"The* *Rise* *of* *Bangtan"* -series (the first few episodes have a lot of broad context before getting into a few details before getting closer to each members etc. the vids are thematic and the first few are a bit on the rougher side for some because it works with contrasts while never outright saying that this is a contrast. There is also a lot of music in it and the bonus is funny.
Korea has the idea of "Flower Boys" that Idol music leans into. It's a throwback at the Hwarang among other themes.
(why are there so many cuts?! there are mssing pieces)
You nice! Keep going!
Thanks for the Korean suggestions, definitely sheds more light from a different cultural perspective
Would be very interested in seeing a Spring Day reaction (followed by an explanation video…it’s def needed to really understand the imagery in the mv). There’s several explanation vids but the “Italian ARMY” one is the most in depth I’ve seen so far.
BTS BIGGEST BAND in the world 💜
“Is jhope the darker one of the group?” I actually laughed out loud so hard 😂
4:01 i kept shaking my head when u described Hobi(Jhope)😂😂
Jhope is sunshine. That is what is impressive that his personality is a ray of light but his music is so across the spectrum
J-hope, RM, and Suga are my biases. They won't disappoint.
There's nothing inherently wrong with a parasocial relationship. Just like any relationship, there can be toxicity because people are in relationships and people can be toxic.
In kpop mental health wasn't something that was even talked about let along song about BTS were as stated rebels.
"Is J hope is the darkest member" 😭
Noo j hopeee is the mostttt brighest and the goofiest one
He is also called as sinsine byyyy the armyss
He is the nest dancer of the groupp🫶🔥🔥🔥
Rn he is in army serving🫶
Bts has been writing mental health songs since 2010
Epiphany (live with subs)!!!🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
The average korean man is nothing like the idols you see. I also wouldnt say feminine men are the beauty standard, most of them actually try not to come across too feminine since homophobia is rampant there. While the women will name an idol as their ideal type, men will name an actor like gong-yoo that has a manly image as someone theyd like to look like
But Gong Yoo totally fits Korean beauty standard for men, he commented about it to Lee Dong Wook when latter asked him to flex. "small face" was the first thing he said, and it's first in the list. Small face, narrow and high-bridged nose, double eyelid, "doe"(as in deer) eyes, straight eyebrows, full lips, v-shaped lower face and chin, chiseled jaw line, slender body (ie, not fat). You look at the young Gong Yoo, you saw a slender young man--it wasn't until he pumped up for the Calvin Klein ad that you saw how absolutely ripped he was--it was all definition, no bulky muscles.
J-Hope, o dark kkkk
Nunca pensei que escutaria isso sobre ele na minha vida 😅
Kkkkkkkkkk read NO on doolset for the social commentary during this school era 💜
J-Hope is my favorite member too!! He's BRILLIANT. All his songs are gems, and I was very happy with your reaction to his music. He's also the most acknowledged dancer in the group, and his singing voice is like velvet. Anyway, I must say all members are amazing, so please take the time to get to know each of them with an open heart."
Jhope “More” and “Arson”
No, a lot of the songs in school era were very political for South Korea's society lol
In South Korea it’s not something talked about openly. In South Korea BTS members especially the rap line didn’t fit Korean beauty standards. RM was called ugly and j Hope was called ugly and untalented. BTS got no support from the k pop community. They were in a small music label who had no money to remote BTS. So BTS promoted themselves. They were allowed to create music because Suga , Rm and j Hope wanted to make their own music. And the CEO told them that they could as long as they spoke their own truth an stories. BTS as opposed to many k pop groups, write, compose, produce and have a say in every aspect of their music , music video ideas and concepts to even their style of clothing. They all have A lot of stocks in their company and built their lab BIG HIT into BIG HIT MUSIC and helped build the corporation HYBE. These are not things most k pop groups were allowed or are still not allowed to do. So I know technically BTS is considered k pop, I just consider them amazing musicians and artists. I too am a metal fan
J-hope are actually our sunshine 😅and for the other songs you want to react is Change p.2 by RM leader of BTS . Thank for you thoughts can’t wait for the next one to our 7 kings thank you 💜💜💜
"Is J-Hope the darker person in the group?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I laughed so hard when you said that. J-hope is our sunshine and the member of the group that stand for HOPE. But he actually is more than just that. He has a darker side, which he wasn't able to fully realize until he had his solo debut in 2022. I embrace all sides of J-hope.
The English BTS songs were not written by them. And BTS did them during the pandemic to bring a sense of hope to people. I believe ed Sheeran and someone else wrote the English songs
J-hope is known to be the most bubbly sunshine fun one, yet his music is totally the opposite
Yeah everyone knows there are some kpop groups who are "lazy" & don't like to perform... especially that one group, despite the (over)hype they get...
You know, you know...