..However, the Swedes are not very willing to accept this idea, despite the fact that Sweden has Finnish and Sámi place names all the way to the south. For some reason, Swedish place name researchers have been very reluctant to study these Sami-Finnish names.. .. Do they know finnish and Sami languages? But ofcourse, a Swedish archaeologist Inger Zachrisson (born 1936), who is specializing in the history of the Sami people.. As Associate Professor of Archeology at Uppsala University and former curator of Stockholm's History Museum, she has researched Sami Archeology and history since the Iron Age [1][2] .. Mrs Zachrisson is very strongly of that opinion and said; ”The people of Finnish descent are the founding population of Scandinavia..”
British and french shouldn't even comment since there countries are even worse off. most who comment are probably from countries just as bad. swedes are just good at complaining and giving examples to the world in order to embarrass our people in power, hoping they will change there stance on immigration. while most Europeans just shut up and pretend they have no immigration problems then turn to youtube and laughing at swedes in a weak attempt to make them self's feel better. /edit spelling
I'm sure you know about it, Thomas, but there is a Bronze Age boat back in the UK. It was unearthed in Dover in the 1990s, and it's exhibited in the local museum. As far as I know it is in fact the only one ever discovered. Needless to say it is from the Celtic Bronze Age and not the Nordic one, but it still gives you a good idea of how boats were designed before technology became more advanced, and like the carving at Brandskog depicts, it's enormous for it's time.
Wikipedia refers: "Little is yet known about the boat in use as few clues were left with it. According to A History of Ancient Britain, the boat was laid to rest, still in good condition, in a smaller channel off the Dour river, and the yew stitches were deliberately cut, leaving it unusable". I have it to be a ritual boat which could be separated and assembled and culturally told into a celestial story just like sacred mythologically boats in Egypt which sails along the Milky Way crescent band.
Survive the Jive could be, but to me the shape is too similar. I dont think you could get the shape with a dugout either. I would expect that the shape of the hjortspring boat is from some sort of practical structural purpose, a dugout wouldnt need it and you’d have to work harder than its worth just for decoration
Hi Thomas. In Denmark there is the Hjortspring boat made with planks sewn together with bast. From the early ironage. Probably very similar to these rock carvings. Also they are not very unlike the mediteranian ships of the same age. Also there is is the mythic ship Skíðblaðnir that can be be folded toghether and carried in a pouch. Sugesting there also was ships with skins in stead of planks. Those feet. Could they be grils feet? May day ritual? :-)
Hi Erik, By referring to ships which can be folded together in a pocket, it surely cannot be a physical boat, but a mythical one connected to another mythical realm but the Earth/Midgaard one.
@@ivornelsson2238 Don't you have a friend with a lively fantasy? When he tells you a storry you think it might be based in reality but it is just "slightly exagerated".. Like if you just devide all the numbers with 10 or something.😄
@@erikkaareson6493- No I don´t really - but I´ve read lots of books of authors who have a lack of mythical insight, taking mythical celestial ships to count for terrestrial ships.
The "bodice" looks like a sewing pattern. Maybe for a saddle or something? Makes sense especially if the line is a measuring unit. Would also make sense as to why the grooves are so deep. Cutting leather over and over again.
@@Survivethejive Triremes didn't exist at that time ,it was the Mycenaean age so maybe an early design ..? many ships look clearly Scandinavian but others look like Mediterranean ships of the time ,i believe there is something to look for there ,i believe a trip like this was possible. There is also Mycenean horned helmets in vases and statues just like the Nordic bronze age ones.
a practical explanation but why would they keep carving it deeper and deeper over centuries? why would they want a rock shape of a foot which would be underneath lots of snow half of the year, when they can get the actual foot they are making a shoe for and get the exact right size? Practical explanations are rarely as practical as their advocates claim
The Gotland picture stones (500-1000) are interesting as comparisons, imho. They also contain sunwheels, but more elaborate. And they contain ships, that are more elaborate and detailed than the pethroglyphs. Im reading a (short) book about them right now. One interesting analysis in the book is that in Gotland (and other places) it was customary to have chieftain dwellings some distance away from the coast (to limit risk of surprise attacks). When importants guests arrived, by ship, the chieftain would send down men with a horse for the guest. If the guest was important enough he would send his own horse. This would explain the common motif of a rider of an eight-legged horse and ships on many of the stones, they show a very highly ranked man that goes to valhalla and he is so important that odin sends his own horse for him to ride from the shore to the halls of the dead, the highest honor anyone can get. The book divides the picture stones into three periods, where the early period is heavily influenced by meditaranean motivs. Anyway, its interesting that some stuff reapears in the picturestones, even thought so much time has passed since the petroglyphs. (i just interjected the horse-ship motif in this comment, that is not a repeat from petroglyphs, just mentioned it because it was a good argument from the book).
That was a sun dial. Those circles all had a slant to them. Hold the symbol in the right spot and the shadow will be cast at the right time and it should match up to the engraving
Why the Hell are these Precious Bronze Age Carvings exposed to the elements ? They should be Protected the way the Chinese cover their Terracotta warriors.
@@tangosmurfen2376 Yes ... But will they survive Another 3000 years ? Eventually, they will begin to fade & degrade ... We need to preserve them for our very distant descendants far into the future
Beautiful carvings by the men and women of old I learn more and more every time I watch this channel, STJ really cuts through the bs that shrouds Nordic culture and pagan traditions who many have believed them to be mindless idiots who never invented anything love this channel!!
I saw some hällristningar in norrköping, 3500 years old- its hard to wrap yourself around that our ancestors lived here 3500 years ago, carved pictures of themself hunting or on boats and sometimes simple runes... what were they trying to tell? maybe leaving some info about their life for the future? who knows. very cool though.
Definitely Yakub - we needed to cover up the truth of our ugly genesis, had to be done. I propose that the carving depicts the ancient equivalent of the "helicopter treatment". #SonsOfYakubRISEUP
The first example to me looks like a map. A lake or large natural formation in the upper right hand corner, the cup marks to me seem to indicate a days travel for scale. One indicating the sun rise the other sun set, I would think by ship since there is a ship right in the line of the cups, however that could simply be a symbol for traveling. The weird shape of the map I think doesn't mean ocean there necessarily, although it could be an island I suppose. However I think it marks the edge of a territory either by control or more likely by the shape a natural border by say mountain, bog or ocean. Not being familiar with the natural layout of the land it's quite a leap of speculation, however I am sure if you was to investigate I'm sure you would find a boundary of some sort. The females I would think would symbolize a settlement of some sort either their own or perhaps another tribe. Upon looking at the image again in full screen it is a map. But not of where they are it's North America. The "female" images are traveling. I think they simply represent people not a particular sex. Ships are represented on three sides showing oceans. The swooping arc at the bottom is the Gulf of Mexico they even have a HUGE lake at the top eastern side to represent the Great Lakes. Notice how the natural cracks lay in line with what would be the Mississippi river and possibly the Rocky Mountains? Then there are two lighter colored patches in the rock in the approximate place of the American desert. Upon further inspection of the image it has a red line under the characters which represent traveling to when combined with the direction of the images. The cup marks on the west side is to indicate scale. Perhaps a lunar cycle which is about what it would take to travel up the west coast in a ship powered by men and not machines. Where Mexico would be they even have a red line to say "This is as far as we explored" or perhaps it represents where what is now the Panama Canal is. Are those cup marks on the right side of the map? If so that would be how long you have to travel to get there. Does the number of cup marks align with the correct amount of time is would take to travel from Europe to the Americas by ship? The second interpretation is a rather exciting idea and would line up with many legends that speak of a land to the west and the descriptions of the land. I have heard those same legends explained away as being the England/Scotland or even Ireland but those explanations never made much sense to me. Why wouldn't they just say "yea it's across the straight right there"? When the legends are told of the land to the west they are made to seem FAR away and magical "Through the mist into eternity" or something similar. The land is always an wonderful and populated by magical creatures. I have heard some stories saying there are creatures similar to men, tall and live among the trees. Sound familiar? Of course I could be wrong but look at the tales, look at the shape of the map. A little exciting to think our ancestors traveled here and back to tell the tale. Either way I hope anybody that made it to the bottom enjoyed my speculation on the first carving.
Thinking of this hypothesis further. IF it is a map to and of North America it could be a map from east coast around the Gulf of Mexico. The land marks still hold with the western shore being the Mississippi river as parts of it is miles wide and might easily be mistaken as another great sea although it is fresh water.
Could be done in stages. From 20,000 to 4 thousand years old Aboriginals did the same thing by pecking the shape then grinding it out bit like dot to dot. The deep, large carving looks like a half dear skin
It could be that the Cup Marks, were pre-existing lamp marks for ceremonies, and the bronze age people added to the marks. Or as the Catholic Church did, they saw an existing holy place, and took it over.
Do you have learned to speak swedish? I would really like to see you teach all this at Uppsala university or Lund. Would love to be in classes with a teacher with your enthusiasm.
Ref: the large rock carving of the boat with the people in it. And the figure underneath. Could this be a depiction to remind/record the fact that before a long journey. The boatbuilder had to check the integrity of the hull? ie the world's first safety sign?
I have no connection with the company but it might be of interest that Oxbow Books currently has most of the "Swedish Rock Art" series discounted for 50% or more.
You should do what History Time has done on Amazon, he’s started his own personal reading list and puts a link to it on his videos so you can see what books he’s reading on any of the topics he mentions and buy them yourself.
Great video! Do you have any insights or opinions on the rock carvings at Hjemmeluft in Alta? According to FamilyTree DNA, I'm 44% Neolithic Farmer, 41% Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherer and only 15% Metal-Age (Yamnaya/Indo-European) invader, so I guess I'm not Indo-European enough to be a patron on Patreon? I jest of course.
Interesting to think the art at bohuslän could be from the ancestors of the Jutes, or eoten, who have been proposed to have come from Bohuslån, before Jutland, and then Britain. Evidence for? The Otingi of Scandza (very similar to eoten/eotenas) were said to dwell in rock forts by Jordanes. There is a lot evidence connecting the Jutes to the Geats, heck, Jutland was referred to as Gotaland/Gotland before its present name. Jute may of meant giant if from eoten rather than gautaz, which would indicate they had a sizeable height. The Alfheimr, or Bohuslån region, would place them in a region of high altitude (this would mean they may of adapted a tall stature) and access to jutland.
@@Survivethejive true but these giants of mythology were also tall in stature were they not? Even with some becoming part of the pantheon such as Skadi. Regardless, this was a great video nonetheless.
@@Survivethejive - I don´t know how you can associate a part of the Norse World to be inhabited by "divine enemy entities". Are you sure you´ve suffciently enough have filtered away the Christian dualistic biases here?
Åsa Fredell held a lecture of rock art on an indoeuropean conference. She claims that a rock carving in western sweden can be associated with a legend recorded in the ulster cycle, the story of Cruniuc and the chariot race of the godess Macha. The carving is late, 200bc-0 in her estimation. And the oldest texts in the Ulster Cycle are from the 8th/9th centuary. She starts talking of this a bit earlier than half way through: ua-cam.com/video/4bE4uX2gTvk/v-deo.html
Hello and thanks for this video. Can you explain to me how our ancestors naturally could have imagined the Sun to be transported by a Ship (EDIT: or by horse). At daytime you cannot se a ship figure together with the Sun - and at nighttime, you even cannot observe the Sun at all.
@@Survivethejive - Yes, unless it descend beneath the land horizon to "the underworld". But you didn´t reply to my comment or question at all. Where are the logics in imaging the Sun to be drawn by a Horse in daytime or transported by a Ship when one cannot observe a Horse drawing the Sun at daytime - and cannot observe the Sun at all at nighttime??? IMO scholars and authors have got the "Sun-Wheel" symbol completely up and down.
Reminds me of a rock carving in Skåne more precisely in Österlen near Simrishamn if I recall correctly. The men are depicted in groups of 3 or 4 with erect penises as well but they seem to be holding axes above their heads instead. There are some boats carved in the same fashion too. Cheers
So: Naked men with erections running about fighting with axes? I find this very risky - and completely unbelieavable. I have these humanlike figures to represent celestial images, most possibly stylized figures of the the Milky Way contours on the northern hemisphere.
Great video, STJ! When I visited the Comunn Eachdraidh Nis museum a year ago I took a photo of a cross slab they have on display there, which had been transported to Nis on the isle of Leòdhas from the tiny island of North Rona. What's interesting about it is that the stone has been masoned into the shape of a cross, but the carving on the rock is that of a naked man with engorged genitals (i.e. I think the carving of the man actually came before the cross-shaped masonry). It *could* have nothing to do with these bronze-age Scandinavian carvings if not for the fact that North Rona was under very early Norse cultural influence due to its extreme northerly location. Possible indication of Nordic religious/cultural continuity from the Bronze Age well into the Viking Age? Who knows. Here's a link to the photos. imgur.com/a/5aiVpNW
Ancient religious sacrifice,the victims were executed in a corner of the city and the bodies thrown from a particular facing wall of the city,Jewish and other religions practiced this in the East from early times.
Can you do a video on de Maistre, Juan Donoso Cortes, and others like them? I know you are a pagan but there have been some great Catholic philosophers who have impacted Traditionalism. These two, among others, were in the front lines of the ideological battle with modernism in their day.
Liked the video but your audio volume is a bit inconsistent, a few relatively loud parts. If you wanted to fix this you could just put a compressor on your audio until its consistent and then turn the overall level up (quick fix). i just thought i'd drop a comment, not trying to be nit picky, just thought I'd let you know.
Its due to me moving he mic around. peaks are at -6 and is audible throughout which is all that counts. a compressor would make the audo sound shit and i prefer volume variation to that.
Grug paint cave. Grug want coming gruglings know how we live, what we face. Teach lessons we grug learn today, so gruglings know in coming time. Grug hope gruglings listen to lessons, or gruglings have to learn them again.
proud to be a scandinavian
..However, the Swedes are not very willing to accept this idea, despite the fact that Sweden has Finnish and Sámi place names all the way to the south. For some reason, Swedish place name researchers have been very reluctant to study these Sami-Finnish names..
.. Do they know finnish
and Sami languages?
But ofcourse, a Swedish archaeologist Inger Zachrisson (born 1936), who is
specializing in the history
of the Sami people..
As Associate Professor of Archeology at Uppsala University and former curator of Stockholm's History Museum, she has researched Sami Archeology and history
since the Iron Age [1][2] ..
Mrs Zachrisson is very strongly of that opinion and said;
”The people of Finnish descent are the founding population of Scandinavia..”
@@samikuronen1 Finlanders are Mongolian invaders left behind in Europe when Genghis Kahn died. You are Europe's Mexicans.
Rolf: *downs his 20th cup of mead* "you know what agnus?!, lets carve a boat!"
I'm sure the future Somali population will appreciate these carvings :)
ΕΣΣΕΤΑΙ ΗΜΑΡ everyone else's culture is fascinating but their own, remember Scandinavia has no culture prior to multiculti.
they will never be able to survive a month in the scandinavian climate or witout welfare money.
Earthling Carl sad, but true :(
British and french shouldn't even comment since there countries are even worse off. most who comment are probably from countries just as bad. swedes are just good at complaining and giving examples to the world in order to embarrass our people in power, hoping they will change there stance on immigration. while most Europeans just shut up and pretend they have no immigration problems then turn to youtube and laughing at swedes in a weak attempt to make them self's feel better.
/edit spelling
Earthling Carl The new sea people's.
I'm sure you know about it, Thomas, but there is a Bronze Age boat back in the UK. It was unearthed in Dover in the 1990s, and it's exhibited in the local museum. As far as I know it is in fact the only one ever discovered. Needless to say it is from the Celtic Bronze Age and not the Nordic one, but it still gives you a good idea of how boats were designed before technology became more advanced, and like the carving at Brandskog depicts, it's enormous for it's time.
i live near to dover and visit the boat often. it's really quite remarkable, and a serious feat of engineering. i feel so lucky to have it so nearby.
Wikipedia refers:
"Little is yet known about the boat in use as few clues were left with it. According to A History of Ancient Britain, the boat was laid to rest, still in good condition, in a smaller channel off the Dour river, and the yew stitches were deliberately cut, leaving it unusable".
I have it to be a ritual boat which could be separated and assembled and culturally told into a celestial story just like sacred mythologically boats in Egypt which sails along the Milky Way crescent band.
I bet that they are similar to the Hjortspring boat, which is an iron age clinker sewn boat. yes, they sewed the planks together
or maybe it was just a dugout
Survive the Jive could be, but to me the shape is too similar. I dont think you could get the shape with a dugout either. I would expect that the shape of the hjortspring boat is from some sort of practical structural purpose, a dugout wouldnt need it and you’d have to work harder than its worth just for decoration
that ending lmao
0:31
The outline is shaped like Pepe.
they knew
Shadilay, muh dude!
You are so welcome to Sweden :)
Nice work. A part of history they don't talk about. The Tuathe De Danaan
Regarding the foot carvings, perhaps they were done to size by adolescents - grafitti, a rite of passage etc?
Some are large. Impossible to say what they were for but they are close to religious iconography so one might presume a cultic function
Bronze age- the age of demigods, epic tales, rune stones, sun worship, truly glorious and golden!
no runestones from that time
Elder Futhark probably didn’t exist
Should set up Survive the Jive tours or something :) next time, I'm in Sweden I'll try to visit some of these locations.
Quality material as always. Thank you!
This is fascinating. I am glad to see that European heritage has not been fully destroyed by the Abrahamic religions......
Lord6of6the6Blackmoon not yet but soon
Ásatrú will save it until the crooked rich politicians condemn it as heresy and racist.
Thank you for taking time to make this video! :-)
Good job!
I Really Like Rock Carving Art!
Might be Njord that is carrying the ship on his shoulders.
or Ran? or Ægir?
True, might be one of those three, feels like that's the most logical assumption atleast in my opinion.
In Finland, that would be Ahti.
Before clinker planking, the planks were "sewn" together with rope or string through holes made in the wood
Thank you for highligthing the Nordic historie.
Now that we have set that in stone cant wait for you to carve up the next video from the current year. Rock on !
Thank you. I was just showing pictures of these to my kids the other day.
Never stop what you are doing.
The deep carving at the beginning looks somewhat like an oxhide ingot.
I live in Enköping! rune stones, carvings and skärvstenshögar everywhere.
Hi Thomas. In Denmark there is the Hjortspring boat made with planks sewn together with bast. From the early ironage. Probably very similar to these rock carvings. Also they are not very unlike the mediteranian ships of the same age. Also there is is the mythic ship Skíðblaðnir that can be be folded toghether and carried in a pouch. Sugesting there also was ships with skins in stead of planks.
Those feet. Could they be grils feet? May day ritual? :-)
Erik Kaareson There you go
Hi Erik,
By referring to ships which can be folded together in a pocket, it surely cannot be a physical boat, but a mythical one connected to another mythical realm but the Earth/Midgaard one.
@@ivornelsson2238 Don't you have a friend with a lively fantasy? When he tells you a storry you think it might be based in reality but it is just "slightly exagerated".. Like if you just devide all the numbers with 10 or something.😄
@@erikkaareson6493- No I don´t really - but I´ve read lots of books of authors who have a lack of mythical insight, taking mythical celestial ships to count for terrestrial ships.
@@ivornelsson2238 Yes. There is a few of them. Some of them are frequently on History Channel.😂
The "bodice" looks like a sewing pattern. Maybe for a saddle or something? Makes sense especially if the line is a measuring unit. Would also make sense as to why the grooves are so deep. Cutting leather over and over again.
That ship definitely looked like a Greek trireme , the front of the ship the back tail the shape in general , so strange .
triremes had sails and a different shape entirely
@@Survivethejive Triremes didn't exist at that time ,it was the Mycenaean age so maybe an early design ..? many ships look clearly Scandinavian but others look like Mediterranean ships of the time ,i believe there is something to look for there ,i believe a trip like this was possible. There is also Mycenean horned helmets in vases and statues just like the Nordic bronze age ones.
That deep grooved carving at the beginning looks like a cutting template. Some of those other carvings look like shaping forms for leather-working.
a practical explanation but why would they keep carving it deeper and deeper over centuries? why would they want a rock shape of a foot which would be underneath lots of snow half of the year, when they can get the actual foot they are making a shoe for and get the exact right size? Practical explanations are rarely as practical as their advocates claim
@@Survivethejive They carved feets because its imaginative origine belongs to a mythical telling of a part of the the night sky scenario.
The Gotland picture stones (500-1000) are interesting as comparisons, imho. They also contain sunwheels, but more elaborate. And they contain ships, that are more elaborate and detailed than the pethroglyphs. Im reading a (short) book about them right now. One interesting analysis in the book is that in Gotland (and other places) it was customary to have chieftain dwellings some distance away from the coast (to limit risk of surprise attacks). When importants guests arrived, by ship, the chieftain would send down men with a horse for the guest. If the guest was important enough he would send his own horse. This would explain the common motif of a rider of an eight-legged horse and ships on many of the stones, they show a very highly ranked man that goes to valhalla and he is so important that odin sends his own horse for him to ride from the shore to the halls of the dead, the highest honor anyone can get.
The book divides the picture stones into three periods, where the early period is heavily influenced by meditaranean motivs.
Anyway, its interesting that some stuff reapears in the picturestones, even thought so much time has passed since the petroglyphs. (i just interjected the horse-ship motif in this comment, that is not a repeat from petroglyphs, just mentioned it because it was a good argument from the book).
Great video! Would love to see more videos about carvings :)
I made a series on them - check the runes playlist
I think it is connected with the metal trade with southern Europe that was so important before the viking age
Bronze was made from copper they got from germany and tin from cornwall - not south europe
@@Survivethejive OK interesting!
That was a sun dial. Those circles all had a slant to them. Hold the symbol in the right spot and the shadow will be cast at the right time and it should match up to the engraving
Dude your hair is so nice! I hope you wouldn’t mind if i get the same style lol.
doesn't it just make ya wanna get a hammer and chisel. harharhar. thank yew thomas. have fun gare
...very late at night, Survive the Jive posts a video...can't sleep...duty calls...
Great video, thanks.
Highly Glorious
Later in history we had Europe s biggest copper mine, Falun!
The first carving is reminiscent of copper plates from Egyptian paintings.
Why the Hell are these Precious Bronze Age Carvings exposed to the elements ? They should be Protected the way the Chinese cover their Terracotta warriors.
They are made in hard rock and have withstand summer and winter for 3000 years
@@tangosmurfen2376 Yes ... But will they survive Another 3000 years ?
Eventually, they will begin to fade & degrade ... We need to preserve them for our very distant descendants far into the future
Moon dial - the one with a curved line in the outer circle
There is a boat find in Denmark from the early iron age that closely resembles the ships in the rock carvings, just google Hjortspring boat...
Beautiful carvings by the men and women of old I learn more and more every time I watch this channel, STJ really cuts through the bs that shrouds Nordic culture and pagan traditions who many have believed them to be mindless idiots who never invented anything love this channel!!
Ortzi ice mummy has line tattoos on his feet!!
I saw some hällristningar in norrköping, 3500 years old- its hard to wrap yourself around that our ancestors lived here 3500 years ago, carved pictures of themself hunting or on boats and sometimes simple runes... what were they trying to tell? maybe leaving some info about their life for the future? who knows. very cool though.
To me, it depicts a man overboard. A notable figure lost at sea.
which one are you referring to?
The man under the large boat
First thing that came to my mind aswell. A notable figure lost at sea perhaps.
Definitely Yakub - we needed to cover up the truth of our ugly genesis, had to be done. I propose that the carving depicts the ancient equivalent of the "helicopter treatment". #SonsOfYakubRISEUP
That's Jens. He gets into all sorts of trouble at sea. A loveable rogue.
6:27 is the best part of video
Hello, are you familiar with the work of Fomenko? If yes, what's your take of it?
The first example to me looks like a map. A lake or large natural formation in the upper right hand corner, the cup marks to me seem to indicate a days travel for scale. One indicating the sun rise the other sun set, I would think by ship since there is a ship right in the line of the cups, however that could simply be a symbol for traveling. The weird shape of the map I think doesn't mean ocean there necessarily, although it could be an island I suppose. However I think it marks the edge of a territory either by control or more likely by the shape a natural border by say mountain, bog or ocean. Not being familiar with the natural layout of the land it's quite a leap of speculation, however I am sure if you was to investigate I'm sure you would find a boundary of some sort. The females I would think would symbolize a settlement of some sort either their own or perhaps another tribe. Upon looking at the image again in full screen it is a map. But not of where they are it's North America. The "female" images are traveling. I think they simply represent people not a particular sex. Ships are represented on three sides showing oceans. The swooping arc at the bottom is the Gulf of Mexico they even have a HUGE lake at the top eastern side to represent the Great Lakes. Notice how the natural cracks lay in line with what would be the Mississippi river and possibly the Rocky Mountains? Then there are two lighter colored patches in the rock in the approximate place of the American desert. Upon further inspection of the image it has a red line under the characters which represent traveling to when combined with the direction of the images. The cup marks on the west side is to indicate scale. Perhaps a lunar cycle which is about what it would take to travel up the west coast in a ship powered by men and not machines. Where Mexico would be they even have a red line to say "This is as far as we explored" or perhaps it represents where what is now the Panama Canal is. Are those cup marks on the right side of the map? If so that would be how long you have to travel to get there. Does the number of cup marks align with the correct amount of time is would take to travel from Europe to the Americas by ship? The second interpretation is a rather exciting idea and would line up with many legends that speak of a land to the west and the descriptions of the land. I have heard those same legends explained away as being the England/Scotland or even Ireland but those explanations never made much sense to me. Why wouldn't they just say "yea it's across the straight right there"? When the legends are told of the land to the west they are made to seem FAR away and magical "Through the mist into eternity" or something similar. The land is always an wonderful and populated by magical creatures. I have heard some stories saying there are creatures similar to men, tall and live among the trees. Sound familiar? Of course I could be wrong but look at the tales, look at the shape of the map. A little exciting to think our ancestors traveled here and back to tell the tale. Either way I hope anybody that made it to the bottom enjoyed my speculation on the first carving.
Thinking of this hypothesis further. IF it is a map to and of North America it could be a map from east coast around the Gulf of Mexico. The land marks still hold with the western shore being the Mississippi river as parts of it is miles wide and might easily be mistaken as another great sea although it is fresh water.
imo... that is not a bodice or a stool.... But it is a Sail...
I would love to see you do a video on "The True Doctrine" by Celsus.
Hey Tom.That first figure reminds me of a copper ingot as they were represented in the Agean.Hard to tell because of the camera angle.Any thoughts.
I think you could be right Mr Cullen . I too have seen copper ingots from the Eastern Mediterranean that were much that shape
Could be done in stages. From 20,000 to 4 thousand years old Aboriginals did the same thing by pecking the shape then grinding it out bit like dot to dot. The deep, large carving looks like a half dear skin
It could be that the Cup Marks, were pre-existing lamp marks for ceremonies, and the bronze age people added to the marks. Or as the Catholic Church did, they saw an existing holy place, and took it over.
Im a real indoeuropean, but Im poor as a rat, so I will wait before to became a patreon! :)
Nice Alexander Thom reference at 2:30
*VERY*
uppland, my povince :)
Do you have learned to speak swedish? I would really like to see you teach all this at Uppsala university or Lund. Would love to be in classes with a teacher with your enthusiasm.
not very well i am afraid
Ref: the large rock carving of the boat with the people in it. And the figure underneath. Could this be a depiction to remind/record the fact that before a long journey. The boatbuilder had to check the integrity of the hull? ie the world's first safety sign?
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good to know
the John Coles book I read researching this had silly English warning at the start about snakes! lol
Could this have been a spot for sacrifice? Would it have been calved so deep to allow blood to flow?
interesting idea
Hällristningar Rock!
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1:00 It's a early map of the area.
You should do what History Time has done on Amazon, he’s started his own personal reading list and puts a link to it on his videos so you can see what books he’s reading on any of the topics he mentions and buy them yourself.
Didnt they find a boat just like that at Hjortspring in Danmark
yes
What carat is your signet ring?
Have you seen the Dover boat? They estimated it from 1500bc.
No. It isn't Nordic though. Would be from the Bell Beaker culture.
alā survive the jive.
Freyr was also decipted with an erection... not saying theres a connection or that there isnt a connection just noticed
maybe pushing the boat into the water?
Great video! Do you have any insights or opinions on the rock carvings at Hjemmeluft in Alta? According to FamilyTree DNA, I'm 44% Neolithic Farmer, 41% Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherer and only 15% Metal-Age (Yamnaya/Indo-European) invader, so I guess I'm not Indo-European enough to be a patron on Patreon? I jest of course.
Woah, you are very much neolithic farmer.. Me as a scandinavian is almost 84% HG accourding to Gedmatch.
@@joonte1010 the farmer is part HG FYI - nordic people are still like half Neolithic farmer
Interesting to think the art at bohuslän could be from the ancestors of the Jutes, or eoten, who have been proposed to have come from Bohuslån, before Jutland, and then Britain.
Evidence for? The Otingi of Scandza (very similar to eoten/eotenas) were said to dwell in rock forts by Jordanes. There is a lot evidence connecting the Jutes to the Geats, heck, Jutland was referred to as Gotaland/Gotland before its present name.
Jute may of meant giant if from eoten rather than gautaz, which would indicate they had a sizeable height. The Alfheimr, or Bohuslån region, would place them in a region of high altitude (this would mean they may of adapted a tall stature) and access to jutland.
Eoten or jotunn doesn't mean giant as in "big person". It refers to a supernatural semi divine entity and enemy of the gods
@@Survivethejive true but these giants of mythology were also tall in stature were they not? Even with some becoming part of the pantheon such as Skadi. Regardless, this was a great video nonetheless.
@@Survivethejive - I don´t know how you can associate a part of the Norse World to be inhabited by "divine enemy entities". Are you sure you´ve suffciently enough have filtered away the Christian dualistic biases here?
Åsa Fredell held a lecture of rock art on an indoeuropean conference. She claims that a rock carving in western sweden can be associated with a legend recorded in the ulster cycle, the story of Cruniuc and the chariot race of the godess Macha. The carving is late, 200bc-0 in her estimation. And the oldest texts in the Ulster Cycle are from the 8th/9th centuary. She starts talking of this a bit earlier than half way through:
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Screed marks in the Bronze age concrete?
it is granite
Hello and thanks for this video.
Can you explain to me how our ancestors naturally could have imagined the Sun to be transported by a Ship (EDIT: or by horse).
At daytime you cannot se a ship figure together with the Sun - and at nighttime, you even cannot observe the Sun at all.
The sun sets in the sea
@@Survivethejive - Yes, unless it descend beneath the land horizon to "the underworld".
But you didn´t reply to my comment or question at all.
Where are the logics in imaging the Sun to be drawn by a Horse in daytime or transported by a Ship when one cannot observe a Horse drawing the Sun at daytime - and cannot observe the Sun at all at nighttime???
IMO scholars and authors have got the "Sun-Wheel" symbol completely up and down.
Were their feet smaller because they were so small as well as lacking the same nutrients i wonder?
they weren't all small
Needs more dragons n shit.
Reminds me of a rock carving in Skåne more precisely in Österlen near Simrishamn if I recall correctly. The men are depicted in groups of 3 or 4 with erect penises as well but they seem to be holding axes above their heads instead. There are some boats carved in the same fashion too. Cheers
So: Naked men with erections running about fighting with axes? I find this very risky - and completely unbelieavable. I have these humanlike figures to represent celestial images, most possibly stylized figures of the the Milky Way contours on the northern hemisphere.
Great video, STJ! When I visited the Comunn Eachdraidh Nis museum a year ago I took a photo of a cross slab they have on display there, which had been transported to Nis on the isle of Leòdhas from the tiny island of North Rona. What's interesting about it is that the stone has been masoned into the shape of a cross, but the carving on the rock is that of a naked man with engorged genitals (i.e. I think the carving of the man actually came before the cross-shaped masonry). It *could* have nothing to do with these bronze-age Scandinavian carvings if not for the fact that North Rona was under very early Norse cultural influence due to its extreme northerly location. Possible indication of Nordic religious/cultural continuity from the Bronze Age well into the Viking Age? Who knows. Here's a link to the photos. imgur.com/a/5aiVpNW
Give me some dosh, alright? Cheers.
The god keeping boats afloat?
"Can one be too Indo-European?"
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Ancient religious sacrifice,the victims were executed in a corner of the city and the bodies thrown from a particular facing wall of the city,Jewish and other religions practiced this in the East from early times.
5:35 I hope a certain Brew doesnt get any ideas to sample that...
Tom, how exactly do you make a living? I'm 17 and I want to do what you're doing one day.
don't become a UA-camr!
Thank you
1:07 Is it swan? Aren't waterbirds tought to be finno-ugric or do they have a meaning in nordic bronce age too?
no it is a boat or a sledge
I mean that not coloured one in middle of the right corner exactly at 1:07. Long neck and head, swans body and tail.
Clearly a swan.
Can you do a video on de Maistre, Juan Donoso Cortes, and others like them? I know you are a pagan but there have been some great Catholic philosophers who have impacted Traditionalism. These two, among others, were in the front lines of the ideological battle with modernism in their day.
Pepe outline at 0:30
Ingot metal !!
Liked the video but your audio volume is a bit inconsistent, a few relatively loud parts. If you wanted to fix this you could just put a compressor on your audio until its consistent and then turn the overall level up (quick fix). i just thought i'd drop a comment, not trying to be nit picky, just thought I'd let you know.
Its due to me moving he mic around. peaks are at -6 and is audible throughout which is all that counts. a compressor would make the audo sound shit and i prefer volume variation to that.
Fair enough
>if you are a real indoeuropean become a Patron
But I'm Basque
thats ok
Nice video StJ, only criticism would be work on your stuttering.
That's pepe in the top left at 0:31
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Vikings had hot sisters.
Viqueens, I hear they walked around mostly topless.
Waiting for the "very" comments
I think the erections maybe about rite of passage. Like a nomadic lion sort of thing.
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