As a solid 10.5er. I like the floor system. But yeah. Theeee nebulous realm of celestial and even to a lesser degree, floor 10, is pretty wack. Tbh. It kind of just made me take the game way less seriously. It was very hard to see progress when you're in that 10.5 zone. When you run out of floors to climb and you know a lot of the people in celestial are just widening the skill gap. After my 3rd attempt I just started playing in the park, and have fun. Now I'll normally just pop in when new characters arrive, try them out, have fun, play my old main for a bit, have fun. And then disappear again.
No offense, but I'm not sure failing 3 attempts qualifies you as "stuck in the limbo". If celestial is supposed to be hard to get in to, shouldn't most people who have a chance >not< make it? Coming from someone who failed like 6-7 tries one season before making it. It was frustrating, but...I don't know, to me it seems like getting to the "final level" should take those tries if I'm not strong enough. Sure, I could run into a weak player vs a pro, good matchup vs a bad. But, that happens in tournaments and the like also, so it gives me the impression that it's not inherently bad that there's some volatility to your entrance into such a level.
I’ve failed a lot more than 3 times and otherwise I completely agree with you. Floor ten fights mostly feel easy. You can use some gimmicks and not have completely clean strategies. When you get to the celestial waiting room it suddenly feels like you’re in a test and you slept through all the lectures.
@@pkyy9269 I never said I should of gotten in easier. I don't think I belong in celestial I'd probably say a lot of people in celestial shouldn't be. And I don't really feel like 6-7 tries is that much tbh. My point is I jumped into tower when testament came out and I pretty quickly got that little advancement arrow in floor 10 after not playing since Baiken released. Its just that my celestial attempts, I did not pick my fights to make the challenge easier. So I got destroyed. And the kind of destroyed that you didn't even learn from it cause the people I played were too far above me. And then I went back to floor 10. Where my fights were too easy. I could just see the immediate problems with gameplay loop of too easy, > go up get destroyed without real direction. Rinse and repeat. My point is that this is the problem with the floor 10 - celestial skill gap. Not that I should get in. I'm happy to go play longer sets in the park and not really care about the tower or celestial. I enjoy the adaptation part more. But my point is to bring awareness to the innate problems with the skill gap. The fun part of seeing growth staggered a ton. If I really wanted to, there's lot of things I could of done. Find people on discord. Really really sit and watch those replays. Ask opponents for advice. But I just wasn't keen on too easy, too hard, back and forth. TLDR; I don't mind celestial being hard and I don't feel like I deserve to be in it. It's more Floor 10 felt like I was finally an intermediate player and the next floor up is home to literally pros and everything else in between.
@@Trigun_Bebop I developed my thoughts a bit more after this comment, your point made is totally right. While I feel it does a strong job of reflecting like, volatility/skill pleateau-ing, it's far too wide and presenting that challenge to too many people. Imo, a "band-aid" would be to make it harder to qualify between floors in general, along with the qualification test being much harder to trigger. It may be hard to present new players with floor 2 and say "you'll be at 10 after several months of effort", however. I will say that floors are easily one of the >most< engaging ranked systems I've seen for an FG, based on it being such a hot topic with newer players and the community. Some of my friends update me all the time while theyre bouncing between floors like 4-6...although it would probably be easier on them if they didn't bounce around so much. Hopefully they can strike a balance. The fact that it's a concept that has people engaging/feeling good is promising, but there's definitely some improvements possible.
The problem of Auras requiring Grinding and Time is one that is just as true for the standard Elo ranking system. As long as you keep a positive win/lose ratio, you will move up, and then it just becomes a matter of time and how much grinding you're willing to do. I just don't think any ranking system that exists currently is suited to serious 1v1 online gaming, as they all only facilitate Anxiety and a desire for higher ranks, instead of Fun and a desire to learn.
The good thing about the floors (discluding celestial) is that since you can go to any floor you want, it helps a lot with my rank anxiety. Probably not like that for anyone, but for me it's not about the rank itself, it's about the players in low ranks.
We need a rank equal to our skill because that’s what gives you the will to get better. People played SF5 for years in hope to get grand master and many failed. I played a week to get to celestial and I dropped the game because what else can I get from it ? I should get up in the morning and grind rankeds without actually grinding anything ?
I think this is a really effective voice of the reason I can't bring myself to grind Strive. I don't know if Im getting better because the matchmaking is so back and forth.
Once you get to Celestial they should of just introduced a typical ranking system Bronze-Silver-Gold..etc. While maintaining the floor system from 1-10.
Here's my big issue: it's completely nonsensical at a conceptual level. In principle, the game's objective with a skill/rank system should be to consistently keep you in an environment where you win 50% of matches - thus, any changes in your rank result from changes in your skill, and the game then adjusts whom you play against to compensate and keep you on an improvement treadmill (which is a good thing - it keeps the amount that you have to improve in order to win in the short term as small as possible, so improvement is as noticeable as possible). Here's the problem. Celestial, as a concept, is borked from the start. If you manage to be good enough to earn your way into a higher rank, a 'promotion series' is a reasonable test, right? Except, the idea of a promotion series is to evaluate you against people at your CURRENT rank and see if you're better enough to deserve to be higher - usually by playing others also on the cusp of ranking up. What Celestial does, on the other hand, is put you up against people who ARE where they belong rank-wise (aka, as mentioned, people who belong in that skill bracket by having a 50% winrate there), and asks you to DEMOLISH them. You need to have a (short-term) 85% win rate AGAINST Celestial players to prove that you belong in Celestial... what?!? Yeah. The way they check if you're good enough to belong at a rank whose goal is to give you skilled players to reach 50% winrate against... is by seeing if you're good enough to destroy those very same people consistently. PLUS, as more people get in (aside from people who cheese/wintrade their way in), THOSE people already had to have an 85% winrate against the people who were in Celestial BEFORE. So now you have to outpace not a bar, but a moving target - you have to be better than, not the Celestial minimum, but than the average person who has ALREADY broken the Celestial minimum with an 85% winrate. You have to have an 85% winrate against other players who themselves had an 85% winrate against people in Celestial - it balloons into infinity, at least conceptually. Even if that's not what happens in practice, it's still a DESIGN that creates that untenable scenario unless players circumvent it entirely (with wintrading, cheese, or pure luck). That's not how you create an environment of the 'best of the best'. It's how you create a cycle of frustration based on random, arbitrary factors. You somehow have to improve enough, against players in floor 10, to have an 85% winrate against players with skill ABOVE floor 10 (and because of the entry requirements and lack of ceiling in Celestial, often WAY above floor 10 in skill). It just makes no sense. Just make it a top percentage of the player base or a 3/5 instead of 5/6 (make the requirements to get a ticket to challenge Celestial harder to compensate, I don't care, just make the actual challenge not completely disconnected from the skill level needed to actually succeed while IN Celestial).
To be fair you can just fight floor 10s for your celestial challenge. But yeah the ranking is pretty trash. So many bots that belong on floor 4 are in celestial these days that its a meaningless title
Im definitely in the 10.5 stage where I win like 70% of my matches in floor 10 then go up to celestial get about 2 wins then either get bodied or lose just one more time and get kicked out. I'm only really doing to prove that I can do it which I know sounds stupid but Strive is my first fighting game so want to hit celestial just to prove that I've gotten better. Now I play other games like BBCF and UNICLR but still come back to Stirve every once in a while. Good luck to everyone stuck at 10.5 like me
You forgot one other problem with Celestial: once you get into Celestial even just once you can never go below floor 10 again no matter how much you lose. It makes learning new characters such a pain sometimes
That's when I go to the park. This used to be a big complaint of mine, but I've found that the park is a good place to learn a new character without getting clapped by floor 10 players.
@@StairMaster7 i tried this too but whenever I did the parks in my region were like Floor 10 2: Heaven or Hellboogaloo though that may have just been bad luck with timing or smthn
@@wilsh1630 This isn't really true, especially as the game ages and people on lower floors get more game knowledge overall. You can't just know matchups and character defense/offense situations strongly immediately, just because you're a higher rank.
@@pkyy9269 This^ I grinded day 1 GGS and the game was much easier back then compared to now. I come back after months of not playing and I have no choice but to fight Casual Celestials on floor 10 when I consider myself a Pseudo Celestial who will most likely never reach there again. My point is that you will more likely find a knowledgeable FG God than a newcomer on floor 10.
I stopped playing due to the 10.5 situation, I had gotten to celestial a good chunk of times but the idea of having to constantly bounce between 10 and the challenge every motnhg was so draining, between the loading screens the stupid elevator animation and the dull matches in floor 10 it just wasn't very fun
Something I argued since 3 weeks post launch is that the tower is great... on paper. Its implementation however is horrible. It is just way to easy to get to floor 10. That results in the skill gap on floor 10 being absolutely humongus and by extension Celestial aswell. I am one of those 10.5 people most months and I pretty much resigned myself not to partake in the Celestial lottery anymore. Yes I could search for favourable matchups and players whose levels don´t reach the thousands... or I just go back down to floor 10 after triggering the celestial challenge and never get bootet out of a set because I hit a rank up again for the rest of the month without needing to acquire VIP status. I am good enough to win matches but thanks to the massive skillgap that is on floor 10 I still face opponents that are waaaaay better than me aswell. It is exactly the same experience as Celestial without having to interact with the damn promotion system.
Also… just the 5/6 win challenge thing is already super dumb. 5/6 is the tower criteria for “beating a floor” in strive (like going from f7 to f8). So to get into celestial you need to prove that you are better than celestial? That is pretty dumb. And is the reason f10.5 is so huge. And this is exacerbated by the fact that people in the floors are not allowed to derank more than 3 floors. And a lot of celestial winners and 10.5 players just play in the parks anyway, where they will destroy newbs who thought that parks were meant to me more casual, not more hardcore. The whole tower system is broken and doesn’t serve its purpose. Ideally there would be a ranked match mode with a leaderboard, and the tower would replace the parks. Barring that, the floor drop limit should be removed, and floor rankings should be done on a per-character basis.
The idea of "earning" your place in celestial is great, the only problem with it is that when floor 10 is empty some players just won't be able to play the game. That's why I sometimes just let people beat me 5 times, otherwise they really can't find anyone.
I think the techniques you mentioned to get into celestial is my biggest issue with the system. People need to stop running away from people who are ready to fight because they’re scared of how high level they are. You won’t get good trying to stay comfortable
I like the tower system because it doesn't force me extrinsic motivation very much. I just want sick matches and to get better - and i definitely get that when I que for matches at my floor level. (I'm floor 8)
Honestly? celestial aside, I prefer the floors to regular MMR/Strict Skill-based matchmaking, as someone coming into fighting games from other games; it's so fucking refreshing to have a grab bag of people around my skill level, some slightly weaker, some higher. I'm not punished for having a good mental and having a streak, so I can just queue and know it's entirely on me, if I win or lose, not the system deciding that I've won two games in a row, so now I get to have a loss streak.
the tower really is the worst part of the game. I play Melee and strive a good amount but I play waaaaaay more Melee just because the match maker is really really good and I can consistently play players in my skill range. Strive is super draining though because its tough to find matches that aren't just blowouts one way or the other even as the hard stuck floor 8 player I am. I like both games about equally but the learning experience for strive is just not nearly as fun due to how the tower system is.
New player, got put in floor 4, got used as a training dummy and am now on floor 3 with noone to fight cause the game has 900 people world wide and apparently most of them are at the top. It's like playing CS GO for the first time and everyone else is Gold Nova or above.
God I hate the tower system tbh. I got to the celestial challenge in the first 2 weeks of the game, then I got booted down to 10 because I matched up against some REALLY good players that destroyed me. So I just play in the park now, it's more fun imo.
Personally as someone for who ggst is their first fighting game, I like celestial. It lets me challenge the best of the best, who I otherwise could only dream of playing if I was say playing street fighter. Lets me improve faster.
Thx 4 more fantastic content and best music choices, tekken n of course p4 music, use some mvc2 and 3rd strike music if u can. Thank you good sir, stay legendary
I can say I have similar experience at floor 7.5. i know i am just bad but the I barely lose on floor 7 but barely win at 8. I really want to get better though.
Funny seeing this as it hits home. I only get to play about 4 hours a week, so I basically live on floor 10.5 and find that "win 3 out of 5 matches" some weird arbitrary BS. Keep me in 10 or just shoot me to heaven. Ugh.
Honestly a greater issue I have with Strive that you touched on with your "games won vs rank" thing is that the game really doesn't want to tell you your W/L rate. It's not in your R code, and the game doesn't even tell you total matches played, which I can imagine is only for the express purpose that you can't actually check your W/L rate, which especially sucks when trying to figure out your weakest MUs. I can only imagine it's to protect the feelings of the playerbase, which sucks. Don't fucking hide the truth from me game, I can take it
As a Goldlewis player who gets into Celestial each month on both PS5 and PC, I firmly agree. I think it was Kizzie Kay that maybe suggested multiple Celestial Floors, or maybe some better identification system to be able to put people into different "neighborhoods" up there. Quite literally yesterday was I playing PC for the first time in a while, got to Celestial, and lost twice immediately to a level 1,600 Zato who didn't let me press more than one or two buttons a round. I wasn't super upset or anything, so I immediately tried to get back in, and did, and then fought whoever was willing, which turned out to be a level 110 Ky, who gave me all five wins. This all happened in the span of less than an hour. This kinda stuff really is weird, because on one side, as a guy who doesn't have the time to play each and every day, getting into Celestial each month is great. However, the knowledge that so many people of varying degrees get in and CAN get it makes it feel like less of an achievement and more like random chance.
The wild range of skill is what I get on rookie and silver rank in SFV. When G came out I was getting demolished by a bunch of accounts with names like “Mr. President”, “Gthang” and also guys who literally would only dp, and Maximilian.
I hate being in 10.5 hell. I learn the most when ever I'm in celestial, but that only happens for like 4 games at most and then I get sent back down to go beat up the local lv 700 celestial potemkin hanging around floor 10, just to repeat again, making my learning process so much slower and annoying
my favorite part about getting kicked out every month is dealing with 10 floor players then trying not to let the stress of having to go back floor 10 get to me during promos Also you can just cheat as dcing doesnt count as a loss if you do it before your hp hits 0, so the value of celestial is diminished by that alone
I always thought that the tower ranking would be way better with something like 25 floors instead of just 10. The gap between someone who can reach 10f and someone who can complete the celestial challenge (see: get into celestial by proving you're *significantly better* than the average celestial player?) is really weird. Having more floors would fix that issue in an easy way. Just another aspect of Strive's severely unintuitive and undercooked matchmaking system, I guess.
When I got strive on pc, obviously my account was from 0 because it’s different from my ps one, but I literally only did the tutorial but which set me at floor 6 and I’ve never played ranked on pc ever. Just can’t be asked, but also that does mean some people decide not to fight me
I feel like a ball being thrown around when playing in tower because I either find extremly boosted people or smurfs, I remember getting promoted all the way to 9th floor only to get demoted to 6th floor, getting promoted agIn to 7th, then demoted to 5th and promoted back to 8th ALL IN THE SAME DAY
As a low level 10.5 (so low level that it's more like 10.2), I can relate. I don't even mind fighting super strong players, I just wish I could do that without being bonked down in 2-3 matches. Learning is hard when you get distracted
As someone’s whose made it to celestial but not good enough to maintain it at the end of the month, I felt it when he said “hey come on man I’m just a little guy, I’m just having a little bit of fun *internal/external scream*”
Why does this little glow around the name matter? It's not like it's a f2p game were grinding a monthly ranking gives you increasing rewards that can be used to improve your characters or something. And even in those games the time invested grinding for a reward enters the "I could work for 1 hour and save 10 hours of grinding" territory, at which point the question should be: what the fuck are you doing with your life? Playing to have fun is so much easier. On the matchmaking topic, yeah, I agree I would much rather have skill-based matchmaking than the wild lands that are floor 10/celestial.
There's absolutely no extrinsic motivation in the game after reaching celestial, but getting back every month is a bit of a pain in the ass. The fact that there's no more extrinsic motivation helped me to play for improvement more instead of wins. Grinding matches for hours every night without caring about winning or losing is actually pretty zen-like in my opinion.
Honestly the entire problem with this video could be solved with adding more floors. No im serious. The tower system is actually one the best systems for skill i've ever seen. It could do with some placement matches, but overall it works itself out after a short while and it isn't that big of a deal if a couple games go unbalanced at the start. Basically, the tower does an amazing job at making sure that the lower 70% of players have fair matches, but the top 30% are just thrown to the wolves. But if you get to celestial, you're probably an already dedicated FG player anyway and as such it isn't THAT big of an issue. It only falls apart at high floors because the skill gaps get too wide for each floor. You know what would fix that? More floors. I think if they just added 4 more floors below celestial and made those floors harder to climb alot of those skill gaps would disappear. Those lower levels of players that you noted were in celestial? They'd get booted down a couple of floors and get stuck at 11-14, but the matches in those floors would be more balanced.
The amount of floors as it is is fine, they just need to actually put in a ranking system that isn't based on wins out of 5 games... If they implemented an elo system of some sort (whether thats using elo or glicko calculations) they could disperse the playerbase amongst their respective elo based floors. ratingupdate.info already is using a glicko system to calculate the rankings of players. If you go off of that and use the ranking cutoffs that some chess federations use, the average floor 10 would probably end up on floor 4 or so. The downside of this would mean that floor 7-8 and lower would essentially make up the bottom floor. I'd like to think that if they were to implement a system like this, they'd have someone on the team thats good with numbers and statistics that would be able to make up some cutoffs that are better optimized to the playerbase's current skill levels.
@@martingutierrez2665 The whole point of the floor system is to _not_ have any type of ELO/Statistic Matchmaking. That's why the devs said specifically that there isn't a ranked matchmaking. It's goal isn't to make "fair" matches, but prevent unfair matches. That might sound silly at first, but basically it's goal isn't to get you to a 50% winrate, but to make sure that you never get games where somebody is blasting Nigerian funeral dubstep while you get 3-0 perfected. It also dodges many of the common issues with Matchmaking -No abysmal queue times -The game can prioritize connection between players in each floor -Less sensitive to changes in player base numbers -You don't have to grind 500,000 matches to rank up and find people of your quality (You can get to celestial in hours) -Smurfing is time consuming, and you quickly get moved out of low ranks making it very difficult to go out of your way to noobstomp -You don't lose 12 games worth of points because you played a lower ranked player that got lucky/had a good matchup. I honestly think the floor system is >>>>>>> any type of ELO. The current issue is that too many higher level players are crammed into the top 2 floors and they need to be spread out
@@davidburke4101 I feel like it's so wild that they claim "oh this isn't ranked" when the mode is literally called "rank tower" and there is a leaderboard in celestial floor... if that isn't ranking then i'm in opposite world or something. The issue with spreading out the top floors is that if you keep the same win based rank up system, all of those players will end up back in the same spot. I don't see why an elo system cant be combined with the current tower lobby system... for example if you're 1600, you'll be on floor 4, and you can play on any floor 4 and up, you wont be able to derank past 2, etc.
You touched on this, but I think the floor system does a great job of keeping people of approximate skill together. At the end of the day for 90% of players, thats THE reason a ranking system exists. BUT yeah the massive skill range in floor 10 and celestial is a joke. Finding players approximately your skill in those floors is such a chore
I barley make Celestial by the skin of my teeth. I'm def a 10.5 player who either is gettin' lucky or is just slowly becoming the middle guy. Either way, the discrepancy between celestial and rank 10 and under is unbelievable. I constantly clown on rank 10 under no problem but celestial is where I remember to stay fucking humble. IDK if I'm improving anymore or if I'm just facing god lmao
As someone who’s surrounded by friends who say getting into (insert game level here, Celestial, Elite Smash, etc.) was easy as fuck while I, myself am not in them, I’m hurt. My floor 7 ass is in pain.
This is kind of exactly how I feel about celestial floor. It’s really a mixed bag of skill levels even when you’re supposedly at the highest possible “rank” the game has to offer, and because of this I get kinda tilted when I’m up against someone who knows the matchup against goldlewis really well and I’m just getting completely washed out of existence. It feels demoralizing but to me it’s the only way to actually get better without entering tournaments (something I don’t have time to do). And when you do get those even matches it feels incredible. Today I played against a Potemkin who knew all of his little tricks and played around my mindless copy paste neutral when playing that matchup. Because of that, the match was way more exciting for me to try and figure a way around this guy which by the end resulted in me getting a perfect which was great cause that guy perfected me game 1. When it’s even, it’s exhilarating and fun. When it’s you washing someone, you feel godlike but you know that you shouldn’t be getting away with certain things. When you’re GETTING washed, there’s either no fun to be had or your fun comes from at least hitting them 1 time. Proper ranked would be the best for this game
I'm a floor 10.5 kind of player. I cannot break into VIP despite getting access to celestial even on my secondary character. It's just really annoying being bounced around like this because it's time lost in menus and, honestly, it doesn't fucking help with the massive gap in skill level.
I agree with this video a lot, i got into celestial today and my FIRST 2 MATCHES were against people over level 1000, IM ONLY LEVEL 70 HOW IS THAT FAIR
There aren't enough people on my region for the system to work. So the players are divided between Celestial and people playing at floor 10 (regardless of which floor they're assigned to). Most of the time I'm having the experience of either getting obliterated or obliterating the other player too. But eh, whatever... I don't wanna be the "back in my day" guy but when I got into GG it was the Reload online lobby with absolutely no matchmaking and two to three players to play with at max. And other fighting games were just about getting into GGPO and challenging some KOF player who'd destroy you after picking random.
If you're struggling to get in just get a friend to boost you. You will improve so much faster playing celestial without fear of losing and having to play vs floor 10 people. The system is awful.
The tower system is, quite possibly, the most frustrating matchmaking system I’ve ever seen. I don’t want to play this game all the time, but if I don’t, I’m spending half my time in the loading screen between floor Ten and celestial cos I’m fighting people who play this game 9 to 5
Bro, there’s something intrinsically wrong with this way of thinking. The rank should really mean nothing, first of all, and you shouldn’t be too frustrated if you can’t get it since it’s designed to be a place for those no-lifers you mentioned who are the best at the game. I’m not saying that there aren’t scrubs in heaven bc there certainly are and I’m sure you’re better than a handful of them but just bc they got lucky and are in heaven doesn’t mean shit. More props to you if you do choose to keep playing against those level 8 billions. Also you really don’t have to play a lot to improve, you just need to know how to get better.
It’s not the fact I’m not on the floor that frustrates me, dude. It’s the fact that the games awful system puts me in a goddamn loading screen which can crash my lobby every time it moves me. I’m spending so much time looking for matches and loading through lobbies that could be spent playing the game
My main issue with celestial is the promotion system, because even on paper it doesn't work. If you really belong in the floor you are on, then you should theoretically be losing about 50% of your matches, because everyone you're playing against is equally skilled. So the idea that if you really belong in celestial you have to demonstrate an 80% win rate against celestial players is absurd, even on paper ir doesn't work. So unless you're some giga chad tourney player, you end up stalking the floor dodging bad match ups, only playing against your good matchups, and hoping you run into someone who either sucks, sandbags, isn't on their main, or is also on their promos, in essence, you undermine the entire metric all together.
Or you can play to improve and you will eventually get there when you're good enough Like... Every game has weird skill gaps in top rankings, and sometimes people that are worse than you get to the dream league TM and you don't I've been mad about 10.5 for a lot of time but after switching characters a few times and I quickly realize I was severely lacking in a lot of fg skills and was only climbing to celes because people couldnt handle some tricky characters like I-No and Chaos. Like the game has its rules : if you can't consistently beat people up there, you remain in floor 10. And I dont think you get matched against the BEST PLAYERS every time. I even when I get 0-2d I see those matched are fairly close. Just gotta git gud.
A Celestial Potemkin, with a 10.5 Ky here. I think the Celestial challenge is cheesy, and doesn't work at a fundamental level. Today, I ran into a level 44 Chipp... with VIP status. This was immediately after failing my 4th attempt at Celestial with Ky today, and it made me think "why should I work so hard to work my way into Celestial when this Chipp cheesed his way in?" I won 3-0 against the Chipp, perfected him in one of the rounds, and then resolved to play in the Parks henceforth. The boundary to get into Celestial is so arbitrary that it doesn't serve the purpose of being a "test" of whether or not you're good enough for Celestial. I've just stopped caring.
I'm playing in the JP/Korea region and the difference between floor 10 and celestial is ridiculous. I barely make it to celestial every month (usually like a week before reset lol) and the experience s just horrible. I'll be fighting a random like myself on floor 10, rank up and then fight Gobou/BNBBN/Daru/DarkNecro or whatever other monster jp player that you can think of and know that there is no chance in hell I'll make it in. I would like it if they made it so they use an MMR like on the ratingupdate website, making the requirements for each floor more strict (especially for celestial) and getting rid of the 5 match requirement to remain in celestial. Granted this can be a double edged sword as the playerbase while healthy for a fighting game, is not as big, so it can cause long queue times for players with either really low or really high MMR.
Yeah the aura system gave me World of Warcraft Classic PvP ranking system PSTD flashbacks. PvP rating in WoW Classic worked in a similar fashion as this. Each week, you'd gain rating based on how much honor (a type of score that you gain from killing other players or engaging in PvP activities and is not necessarily related to win rate or win/loss ratio) you achieved the week prior. The only difference between the majority of the ranks was whether or not you were willing to grind an extra few hours a day. To reach rank 14 (the highest rank) on my server, you were looking at playing 16 hours a day every single day for like 3 months straight. And that number could theoretically be higher if you encountered a server where a bunch of people were all playing 17 hours a day every single day... >.> It was cursed.
Aura is given purely based on Total celestial wins that month. Blue aura is Top 300 wins Yellow aura is Top 200 Wins Red aura is Top 100 Wins I know this because I've gotten both red and yellow aura twice. I believe you can keep celestial VIP but have no aura if you are Top 350 wins, although this is from thirdparty knowledge.
Honestly it kinda feels like Celestial itself should be in floors...? Like. You would still need to pierce past 10 to get access, and it would depend on player count, but when celestial rooms fill up to a certain degree, maybe the game could just...make more. As long as the top player aren't in "forever queue hell," it should work, right?
MIssed a big problem with the tower in this video. It can be difficult to derank. When me and a friend first got the game we didn't know about the park. We found each other in the tower to face off, I picked up on the game faster. By winning a lot of matches only against my friend I got boosted into celestial (10.5). We discovered the park out of trying to find a way to still play together, but after that session I realized I was 8-9 floors too high up for my skill level. Not being able to go to a floor lower than the one the game designates for you lead to many frustrating hours deranking only down to floor 7 and turned me off of playing the tower as I could not find players of a reasonably similar skill.
I’ve thought this for so long…just wash everyone in floor ten and play against a lvl 7k Zato, go 2-1, and play against a 5K Millia and go 2-1….and…yet I still get denied…because I lost “twice”….
Game really just makes you get to celestial. Then you just quit for the month, repeat until you want to do something else. To where Celestial players just go down to floor 10 for matches rendering celestial useless. Entire floor system is boring to deal with, failing battle stations, match dodging, afk training standby taking up room, no information of match quality (ping, region of player), due to floor player caps and unselectable instances if you get put into a empty floor, oh well too bad try again. The entire system is so dumb, the game makes it so hard to just play the game. Farm someone from floor 7 who can pick floor 10 and you can get into celestial. Really intelligent system. I'm a stupid Faust main who got into Celestial and getting jossled around floors constantly gets very annoying. I'll just live on Floor 10 for my own sanity
I've been playing only for a week and I'm just a 9 floor (i got to 10 but immediately I fought against a chipp lvl 1020 and a zato lvl 620 or more i don't remember) even tho I thinks it's good
Don't worry brother, you will earn your place in due time. It took me almost 100 hours of the same character to get somewhere decent (and still no higher than floor 10)
I definitely prefer this system over traditional ranked matchmaking. I make it into Celestial every time I decide to play that month and I think that having a giant pool of players to play against of various skill levels is way more fun than a traditional sweaty ranked matchmaking. I have played Tekken and Soul Calibur and even Xrd Ranked and I definitely think that this system is more productive than all of them.
Performance based matchmaking is blatantly superior to skill based matchmaking which no one even played in the last game. Its the future of fighting games. They just need to improve the skill assessment.
personally, i think the floor system is alright. it prevents people like me who've never played a fighting game and picked axl 'because he's british' from getting steam rolled by a level 4000 nago player
Its funny my main complaint is that I have to use the lobby, the duel stations always bug out and I have to spend minutes to even sit at a fucking one. Using the training mode auto queue alleviates this but it will bug out and I have to requeue it up. Having a matchmaking mode that accounts for latency and skill would be a godsend.
I'm definitely at 10.5 but the way I see it, I don't care who I play during the celestial challenge if I lose its probably because I'm not good enough and I try again, it is what it is the journey of it is fun enough
Cant wait for crossplay to come so I can be on both Steam and PS4 and fight myself on celestial for a free pass or........ for ASW to get rid of that godawful system.
Dude I hate playing the tower because every time I play it I fight cowards that seeing who I’m playing and switch to someone who just counters me and spams the same move over and over
you got a new subscriber but honestly everything you thought was bad i either thought was good or just dgaf, like i dont care abt auras but goddamn trying to break thru the cloud ceiling is so much fun for me i aint done it yet but i will someday
Ive not touched anything other than the park in awhile. I feel too bad going up and down constantly and the load between moving up or down a floor is annoying
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As a solid 10.5er. I like the floor system. But yeah. Theeee nebulous realm of celestial and even to a lesser degree, floor 10, is pretty wack.
Tbh. It kind of just made me take the game way less seriously. It was very hard to see progress when you're in that 10.5 zone. When you run out of floors to climb and you know a lot of the people in celestial are just widening the skill gap. After my 3rd attempt I just started playing in the park, and have fun. Now I'll normally just pop in when new characters arrive, try them out, have fun, play my old main for a bit, have fun. And then disappear again.
No offense, but I'm not sure failing 3 attempts qualifies you as "stuck in the limbo". If celestial is supposed to be hard to get in to, shouldn't most people who have a chance >not< make it? Coming from someone who failed like 6-7 tries one season before making it. It was frustrating, but...I don't know, to me it seems like getting to the "final level" should take those tries if I'm not strong enough.
Sure, I could run into a weak player vs a pro, good matchup vs a bad. But, that happens in tournaments and the like also, so it gives me the impression that it's not inherently bad that there's some volatility to your entrance into such a level.
I’ve failed a lot more than 3 times and otherwise I completely agree with you. Floor ten fights mostly feel easy. You can use some gimmicks and not have completely clean strategies. When you get to the celestial waiting room it suddenly feels like you’re in a test and you slept through all the lectures.
@@pkyy9269 I never said I should of gotten in easier. I don't think I belong in celestial I'd probably say a lot of people in celestial shouldn't be. And I don't really feel like 6-7 tries is that much tbh. My point is I jumped into tower when testament came out and I pretty quickly got that little advancement arrow in floor 10 after not playing since Baiken released. Its just that my celestial attempts, I did not pick my fights to make the challenge easier. So I got destroyed. And the kind of destroyed that you didn't even learn from it cause the people I played were too far above me. And then I went back to floor 10. Where my fights were too easy. I could just see the immediate problems with gameplay loop of too easy, > go up get destroyed without real direction. Rinse and repeat.
My point is that this is the problem with the floor 10 - celestial skill gap. Not that I should get in. I'm happy to go play longer sets in the park and not really care about the tower or celestial. I enjoy the adaptation part more. But my point is to bring awareness to the innate problems with the skill gap. The fun part of seeing growth staggered a ton.
If I really wanted to, there's lot of things I could of done. Find people on discord. Really really sit and watch those replays. Ask opponents for advice. But I just wasn't keen on too easy, too hard, back and forth.
TLDR; I don't mind celestial being hard and I don't feel like I deserve to be in it. It's more Floor 10 felt like I was finally an intermediate player and the next floor up is home to literally pros and everything else in between.
@@Vegnagun451 yeah. It'd be cool if season 2 added new floors to climb. I think that would bring me back a bit with a way to measure growth.
@@Trigun_Bebop I developed my thoughts a bit more after this comment, your point made is totally right. While I feel it does a strong job of reflecting like, volatility/skill pleateau-ing, it's far too wide and presenting that challenge to too many people. Imo, a "band-aid" would be to make it harder to qualify between floors in general, along with the qualification test being much harder to trigger. It may be hard to present new players with floor 2 and say "you'll be at 10 after several months of effort", however.
I will say that floors are easily one of the >most< engaging ranked systems I've seen for an FG, based on it being such a hot topic with newer players and the community. Some of my friends update me all the time while theyre bouncing between floors like 4-6...although it would probably be easier on them if they didn't bounce around so much. Hopefully they can strike a balance. The fact that it's a concept that has people engaging/feeling good is promising, but there's definitely some improvements possible.
The problem of Auras requiring Grinding and Time is one that is just as true for the standard Elo ranking system. As long as you keep a positive win/lose ratio, you will move up, and then it just becomes a matter of time and how much grinding you're willing to do.
I just don't think any ranking system that exists currently is suited to serious 1v1 online gaming, as they all only facilitate Anxiety and a desire for higher ranks, instead of Fun and a desire to learn.
The good thing about the floors (discluding celestial) is that since you can go to any floor you want, it helps a lot with my rank anxiety. Probably not like that for anyone, but for me it's not about the rank itself, it's about the players in low ranks.
We need a rank equal to our skill because that’s what gives you the will to get better. People played SF5 for years in hope to get grand master and many failed. I played a week to get to celestial and I dropped the game because what else can I get from it ? I should get up in the morning and grind rankeds without actually grinding anything ?
I think this is a really effective voice of the reason I can't bring myself to grind Strive. I don't know if Im getting better because the matchmaking is so back and forth.
Once you get to Celestial they should of just introduced a typical ranking system Bronze-Silver-Gold..etc. While maintaining the floor system from 1-10.
Here's my big issue: it's completely nonsensical at a conceptual level. In principle, the game's objective with a skill/rank system should be to consistently keep you in an environment where you win 50% of matches - thus, any changes in your rank result from changes in your skill, and the game then adjusts whom you play against to compensate and keep you on an improvement treadmill (which is a good thing - it keeps the amount that you have to improve in order to win in the short term as small as possible, so improvement is as noticeable as possible).
Here's the problem.
Celestial, as a concept, is borked from the start. If you manage to be good enough to earn your way into a higher rank, a 'promotion series' is a reasonable test, right? Except, the idea of a promotion series is to evaluate you against people at your CURRENT rank and see if you're better enough to deserve to be higher - usually by playing others also on the cusp of ranking up. What Celestial does, on the other hand, is put you up against people who ARE where they belong rank-wise (aka, as mentioned, people who belong in that skill bracket by having a 50% winrate there), and asks you to DEMOLISH them. You need to have a (short-term) 85% win rate AGAINST Celestial players to prove that you belong in Celestial... what?!?
Yeah. The way they check if you're good enough to belong at a rank whose goal is to give you skilled players to reach 50% winrate against... is by seeing if you're good enough to destroy those very same people consistently. PLUS, as more people get in (aside from people who cheese/wintrade their way in), THOSE people already had to have an 85% winrate against the people who were in Celestial BEFORE. So now you have to outpace not a bar, but a moving target - you have to be better than, not the Celestial minimum, but than the average person who has ALREADY broken the Celestial minimum with an 85% winrate. You have to have an 85% winrate against other players who themselves had an 85% winrate against people in Celestial - it balloons into infinity, at least conceptually. Even if that's not what happens in practice, it's still a DESIGN that creates that untenable scenario unless players circumvent it entirely (with wintrading, cheese, or pure luck).
That's not how you create an environment of the 'best of the best'. It's how you create a cycle of frustration based on random, arbitrary factors. You somehow have to improve enough, against players in floor 10, to have an 85% winrate against players with skill ABOVE floor 10 (and because of the entry requirements and lack of ceiling in Celestial, often WAY above floor 10 in skill). It just makes no sense. Just make it a top percentage of the player base or a 3/5 instead of 5/6 (make the requirements to get a ticket to challenge Celestial harder to compensate, I don't care, just make the actual challenge not completely disconnected from the skill level needed to actually succeed while IN Celestial).
To be fair you can just fight floor 10s for your celestial challenge. But yeah the ranking is pretty trash. So many bots that belong on floor 4 are in celestial these days that its a meaningless title
@@alexparker4806 really? I just assumed you had to fight people in celestial, you know because the game brings you out to the floor menu and stuff.
@@deusregalia1892 you can fight other players doing their celestial challenge. Which are floor 10 players
@@deusregalia1892 You can cherry pick if you like
@@jaxen9139 nah I'll stick with banging my head against the wall
Im definitely in the 10.5 stage where I win like 70% of my matches in floor 10 then go up to celestial get about 2 wins then either get bodied or lose just one more time and get kicked out. I'm only really doing to prove that I can do it which I know sounds stupid but Strive is my first fighting game so want to hit celestial just to prove that I've gotten better. Now I play other games like BBCF and UNICLR but still come back to Stirve every once in a while. Good luck to everyone stuck at 10.5 like me
Got so toxic dealing with floor 10.5 (because my winrate's more like 60%) that I had to uninstall the game Just so I stopped annoying my friends
You forgot one other problem with Celestial: once you get into Celestial even just once you can never go below floor 10 again no matter how much you lose.
It makes learning new characters such a pain sometimes
@@wilsh1630 then someone in charge of balancing the rankings didn't get the memo
That's when I go to the park. This used to be a big complaint of mine, but I've found that the park is a good place to learn a new character without getting clapped by floor 10 players.
@@StairMaster7 i tried this too but whenever I did the parks in my region were like Floor 10 2: Heaven or Hellboogaloo though that may have just been bad luck with timing or smthn
@@wilsh1630 This isn't really true, especially as the game ages and people on lower floors get more game knowledge overall. You can't just know matchups and character defense/offense situations strongly immediately, just because you're a higher rank.
@@pkyy9269 This^
I grinded day 1 GGS and the game was much easier back then compared to now. I come back after months of not playing and I have no choice but to fight Casual Celestials on floor 10 when I consider myself a Pseudo Celestial who will most likely never reach there again. My point is that you will more likely find a knowledgeable FG God than a newcomer on floor 10.
I stopped playing due to the 10.5 situation, I had gotten to celestial a good chunk of times but the idea of having to constantly bounce between 10 and the challenge every motnhg was so draining, between the loading screens the stupid elevator animation and the dull matches in floor 10 it just wasn't very fun
I remember when I was stuck in 10.5 I absolutely hated the "ranking update" animation. Getting a ranking update every ~20 gets annoying really fast.
Something I argued since 3 weeks post launch is that the tower is great... on paper. Its implementation however is horrible. It is just way to easy to get to floor 10. That results in the skill gap on floor 10 being absolutely humongus and by extension Celestial aswell. I am one of those 10.5 people most months and I pretty much resigned myself not to partake in the Celestial lottery anymore. Yes I could search for favourable matchups and players whose levels don´t reach the thousands... or I just go back down to floor 10 after triggering the celestial challenge and never get bootet out of a set because I hit a rank up again for the rest of the month without needing to acquire VIP status. I am good enough to win matches but thanks to the massive skillgap that is on floor 10 I still face opponents that are waaaaay better than me aswell. It is exactly the same experience as Celestial without having to interact with the damn promotion system.
Also… just the 5/6 win challenge thing is already super dumb. 5/6 is the tower criteria for “beating a floor” in strive (like going from f7 to f8).
So to get into celestial you need to prove that you are better than celestial? That is pretty dumb. And is the reason f10.5 is so huge. And this is exacerbated by the fact that people in the floors are not allowed to derank more than 3 floors.
And a lot of celestial winners and 10.5 players just play in the parks anyway, where they will destroy newbs who thought that parks were meant to me more casual, not more hardcore.
The whole tower system is broken and doesn’t serve its purpose.
Ideally there would be a ranked match mode with a leaderboard, and the tower would replace the parks.
Barring that, the floor drop limit should be removed, and floor rankings should be done on a per-character basis.
Adding in the limited rematch, interrupting rank up, annoying dueling station to make your experience in floor system is even more frustrating.
The idea of "earning" your place in celestial is great, the only problem with it is that when floor 10 is empty some players just won't be able to play the game. That's why I sometimes just let people beat me 5 times, otherwise they really can't find anyone.
I think the techniques you mentioned to get into celestial is my biggest issue with the system. People need to stop running away from people who are ready to fight because they’re scared of how high level they are. You won’t get good trying to stay comfortable
I like the tower system because it doesn't force me extrinsic motivation very much. I just want sick matches and to get better - and i definitely get that when I que for matches at my floor level. (I'm floor 8)
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Got to celestial floor. Got matched up with the number 1 ranked jack o' at the time. Won 2 matches lost the third. Got demoted.
Honestly? celestial aside, I prefer the floors to regular MMR/Strict Skill-based matchmaking, as someone coming into fighting games from other games;
it's so fucking refreshing to have a grab bag of people around my skill level, some slightly weaker, some higher. I'm not punished for having a good mental and having a streak, so I can just queue and know it's entirely on me, if I win or lose, not the system deciding that I've won two games in a row, so now I get to have a loss streak.
the tower really is the worst part of the game. I play Melee and strive a good amount but I play waaaaaay more Melee just because the match maker is really really good and I can consistently play players in my skill range. Strive is super draining though because its tough to find matches that aren't just blowouts one way or the other even as the hard stuck floor 8 player I am. I like both games about equally but the learning experience for strive is just not nearly as fun due to how the tower system is.
New player, got put in floor 4, got used as a training dummy and am now on floor 3 with noone to fight cause the game has 900 people world wide and apparently most of them are at the top. It's like playing CS GO for the first time and everyone else is Gold Nova or above.
God I hate the tower system tbh. I got to the celestial challenge in the first 2 weeks of the game, then I got booted down to 10 because I matched up against some REALLY good players that destroyed me. So I just play in the park now, it's more fun imo.
Personally as someone for who ggst is their first fighting game, I like celestial. It lets me challenge the best of the best, who I otherwise could only dream of playing if I was say playing street fighter. Lets me improve faster.
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I can say I have similar experience at floor 7.5. i know i am just bad but the I barely lose on floor 7 but barely win at 8. I really want to get better though.
I’m floor 10.5, but I can beat celestial player easily, but then that one mega good player just takes two off of me.
Gekko video TL;DR
How to get into celestial -
Step 1 - wait
Step 2 - beat up on people who have lives
Funny seeing this as it hits home. I only get to play about 4 hours a week, so I basically live on floor 10.5 and find that "win 3 out of 5 matches" some weird arbitrary BS. Keep me in 10 or just shoot me to heaven. Ugh.
Today i finally get into celestial after like a week or two struggling with the 10.5 and now I'm a newbie in celestial but i get in there
Honestly a greater issue I have with Strive that you touched on with your "games won vs rank" thing is that the game really doesn't want to tell you your W/L rate. It's not in your R code, and the game doesn't even tell you total matches played, which I can imagine is only for the express purpose that you can't actually check your W/L rate, which especially sucks when trying to figure out your weakest MUs. I can only imagine it's to protect the feelings of the playerbase, which sucks. Don't fucking hide the truth from me game, I can take it
A standard ELO system from the millenium game called "chess" is the most suited for 1vs1 ranking. Just do it ffs.
My brother in Christ, I play Potemkin and I'm chilling at floor 8/9 so I don't really care about celestial
As a Goldlewis player who gets into Celestial each month on both PS5 and PC, I firmly agree. I think it was Kizzie Kay that maybe suggested multiple Celestial Floors, or maybe some better identification system to be able to put people into different "neighborhoods" up there. Quite literally yesterday was I playing PC for the first time in a while, got to Celestial, and lost twice immediately to a level 1,600 Zato who didn't let me press more than one or two buttons a round. I wasn't super upset or anything, so I immediately tried to get back in, and did, and then fought whoever was willing, which turned out to be a level 110 Ky, who gave me all five wins. This all happened in the span of less than an hour. This kinda stuff really is weird, because on one side, as a guy who doesn't have the time to play each and every day, getting into Celestial each month is great. However, the knowledge that so many people of varying degrees get in and CAN get it makes it feel like less of an achievement and more like random chance.
The wild range of skill is what I get on rookie and silver rank in SFV. When G came out I was getting demolished by a bunch of accounts with names like “Mr. President”, “Gthang” and also guys who literally would only dp, and Maximilian.
Yeah celestial is kinda dumb... i got there the first month and thhen decided it just aint worth it
Why am I even watching this I've been stuck on floor six for months
I hate being in 10.5 hell. I learn the most when ever I'm in celestial, but that only happens for like 4 games at most and then I get sent back down to go beat up the local lv 700 celestial potemkin hanging around floor 10, just to repeat again, making my learning process so much slower and annoying
my favorite part about getting kicked out every month is dealing with 10 floor players then trying not to let the stress of having to go back floor 10 get to me during promos
Also you can just cheat as dcing doesnt count as a loss if you do it before your hp hits 0, so the value of celestial is diminished by that alone
Disconnect too much and the game puts an Icon on your R-Code you can't get rid of to let other players know you tend to Disconnect from Matches.
Guess you could say its... floored
"Chronically Maidenless", what a phrase...
Same tho.
I always thought that the tower ranking would be way better with something like 25 floors instead of just 10. The gap between someone who can reach 10f and someone who can complete the celestial challenge (see: get into celestial by proving you're *significantly better* than the average celestial player?) is really weird. Having more floors would fix that issue in an easy way.
Just another aspect of Strive's severely unintuitive and undercooked matchmaking system, I guess.
When I got strive on pc, obviously my account was from 0 because it’s different from my ps one, but I literally only did the tutorial but which set me at floor 6 and I’ve never played ranked on pc ever. Just can’t be asked, but also that does mean some people decide not to fight me
I knew when I saw him tweet “celestial is stupid “ a dinger video was coming
I feel like a ball being thrown around when playing in tower because I either find extremly boosted people or smurfs, I remember getting promoted all the way to 9th floor only to get demoted to 6th floor, getting promoted agIn to 7th, then demoted to 5th and promoted back to 8th ALL IN THE SAME DAY
As a low level 10.5 (so low level that it's more like 10.2), I can relate. I don't even mind fighting super strong players, I just wish I could do that without being bonked down in 2-3 matches. Learning is hard when you get distracted
As someone’s whose made it to celestial but not good enough to maintain it at the end of the month, I felt it when he said “hey come on man I’m just a little guy, I’m just having a little bit of fun *internal/external scream*”
Why does this little glow around the name matter? It's not like it's a f2p game were grinding a monthly ranking gives you increasing rewards that can be used to improve your characters or something. And even in those games the time invested grinding for a reward enters the "I could work for 1 hour and save 10 hours of grinding" territory, at which point the question should be: what the fuck are you doing with your life? Playing to have fun is so much easier.
On the matchmaking topic, yeah, I agree I would much rather have skill-based matchmaking than the wild lands that are floor 10/celestial.
There's absolutely no extrinsic motivation in the game after reaching celestial, but getting back every month is a bit of a pain in the ass. The fact that there's no more extrinsic motivation helped me to play for improvement more instead of wins. Grinding matches for hours every night without caring about winning or losing is actually pretty zen-like in my opinion.
agreed
Honestly the entire problem with this video could be solved with adding more floors. No im serious.
The tower system is actually one the best systems for skill i've ever seen. It could do with some placement matches, but overall it works itself out after a short while and it isn't that big of a deal if a couple games go unbalanced at the start. Basically, the tower does an amazing job at making sure that the lower 70% of players have fair matches, but the top 30% are just thrown to the wolves. But if you get to celestial, you're probably an already dedicated FG player anyway and as such it isn't THAT big of an issue. It only falls apart at high floors because the skill gaps get too wide for each floor. You know what would fix that? More floors. I think if they just added 4 more floors below celestial and made those floors harder to climb alot of those skill gaps would disappear. Those lower levels of players that you noted were in celestial? They'd get booted down a couple of floors and get stuck at 11-14, but the matches in those floors would be more balanced.
The amount of floors as it is is fine, they just need to actually put in a ranking system that isn't based on wins out of 5 games... If they implemented an elo system of some sort (whether thats using elo or glicko calculations) they could disperse the playerbase amongst their respective elo based floors. ratingupdate.info already is using a glicko system to calculate the rankings of players. If you go off of that and use the ranking cutoffs that some chess federations use, the average floor 10 would probably end up on floor 4 or so. The downside of this would mean that floor 7-8 and lower would essentially make up the bottom floor. I'd like to think that if they were to implement a system like this, they'd have someone on the team thats good with numbers and statistics that would be able to make up some cutoffs that are better optimized to the playerbase's current skill levels.
@@martingutierrez2665 The whole point of the floor system is to _not_ have any type of ELO/Statistic Matchmaking. That's why the devs said specifically that there isn't a ranked matchmaking. It's goal isn't to make "fair" matches, but prevent unfair matches. That might sound silly at first, but basically it's goal isn't to get you to a 50% winrate, but to make sure that you never get games where somebody is blasting Nigerian funeral dubstep while you get 3-0 perfected.
It also dodges many of the common issues with Matchmaking
-No abysmal queue times
-The game can prioritize connection between players in each floor
-Less sensitive to changes in player base numbers
-You don't have to grind 500,000 matches to rank up and find people of your quality (You can get to celestial in hours)
-Smurfing is time consuming, and you quickly get moved out of low ranks making it very difficult to go out of your way to noobstomp
-You don't lose 12 games worth of points because you played a lower ranked player that got lucky/had a good matchup.
I honestly think the floor system is >>>>>>> any type of ELO. The current issue is that too many higher level players are crammed into the top 2 floors and they need to be spread out
@@davidburke4101 I feel like it's so wild that they claim "oh this isn't ranked" when the mode is literally called "rank tower" and there is a leaderboard in celestial floor... if that isn't ranking then i'm in opposite world or something.
The issue with spreading out the top floors is that if you keep the same win based rank up system, all of those players will end up back in the same spot. I don't see why an elo system cant be combined with the current tower lobby system... for example if you're 1600, you'll be on floor 4, and you can play on any floor 4 and up, you wont be able to derank past 2, etc.
Skill issue
Auras are given to players who are in top 300/200/100 on the monthly celetial ranking being Blue/Yellow/Red depending on the place you are
You touched on this, but I think the floor system does a great job of keeping people of approximate skill together. At the end of the day for 90% of players, thats THE reason a ranking system exists.
BUT yeah the massive skill range in floor 10 and celestial is a joke. Finding players approximately your skill in those floors is such a chore
I barley make Celestial by the skin of my teeth. I'm def a 10.5 player who either is gettin' lucky or is just slowly becoming the middle guy. Either way, the discrepancy between celestial and rank 10 and under is unbelievable. I constantly clown on rank 10 under no problem but celestial is where I remember to stay fucking humble. IDK if I'm improving anymore or if I'm just facing god lmao
As someone who’s surrounded by friends who say getting into (insert game level here, Celestial, Elite Smash, etc.) was easy as fuck while I, myself am not in them, I’m hurt. My floor 7 ass is in pain.
same
I understand your pain cuz I am also in pain
This is kind of exactly how I feel about celestial floor. It’s really a mixed bag of skill levels even when you’re supposedly at the highest possible “rank” the game has to offer, and because of this I get kinda tilted when I’m up against someone who knows the matchup against goldlewis really well and I’m just getting completely washed out of existence. It feels demoralizing but to me it’s the only way to actually get better without entering tournaments (something I don’t have time to do). And when you do get those even matches it feels incredible. Today I played against a Potemkin who knew all of his little tricks and played around my mindless copy paste neutral when playing that matchup. Because of that, the match was way more exciting for me to try and figure a way around this guy which by the end resulted in me getting a perfect which was great cause that guy perfected me game 1. When it’s even, it’s exhilarating and fun. When it’s you washing someone, you feel godlike but you know that you shouldn’t be getting away with certain things. When you’re GETTING washed, there’s either no fun to be had or your fun comes from at least hitting them 1 time. Proper ranked would be the best for this game
I'm a floor 10.5 kind of player. I cannot break into VIP despite getting access to celestial even on my secondary character. It's just really annoying being bounced around like this because it's time lost in menus and, honestly, it doesn't fucking help with the massive gap in skill level.
I agree with this video a lot, i got into celestial today and my FIRST 2 MATCHES were against people over level 1000, IM ONLY LEVEL 70 HOW IS THAT FAIR
The ranking system in ggst is very floored
There aren't enough people on my region for the system to work. So the players are divided between Celestial and people playing at floor 10 (regardless of which floor they're assigned to). Most of the time I'm having the experience of either getting obliterated or obliterating the other player too. But eh, whatever... I don't wanna be the "back in my day" guy but when I got into GG it was the Reload online lobby with absolutely no matchmaking and two to three players to play with at max. And other fighting games were just about getting into GGPO and challenging some KOF player who'd destroy you after picking random.
If you're struggling to get in just get a friend to boost you. You will improve so much faster playing celestial without fear of losing and having to play vs floor 10 people. The system is awful.
Reached celestial once and haven't bothered to get back on since, casual match is where the fun is at
Most of my matches are either me getting my fantastic booty destroyed or clapping cheeks so hard I'd make Ino blush. It just feels weird.
The tower system is, quite possibly, the most frustrating matchmaking system I’ve ever seen. I don’t want to play this game all the time, but if I don’t, I’m spending half my time in the loading screen between floor Ten and celestial cos I’m fighting people who play this game 9 to 5
Bro, there’s something intrinsically wrong with this way of thinking. The rank should really mean nothing, first of all, and you shouldn’t be too frustrated if you can’t get it since it’s designed to be a place for those no-lifers you mentioned who are the best at the game. I’m not saying that there aren’t scrubs in heaven bc there certainly are and I’m sure you’re better than a handful of them but just bc they got lucky and are in heaven doesn’t mean shit. More props to you if you do choose to keep playing against those level 8 billions. Also you really don’t have to play a lot to improve, you just need to know how to get better.
It’s not the fact I’m not on the floor that frustrates me, dude. It’s the fact that the games awful system puts me in a goddamn loading screen which can crash my lobby every time it moves me. I’m spending so much time looking for matches and loading through lobbies that could be spent playing the game
@@Calhasnopals true, game is indeed trash will not argue that
Auras we do know, it’s top 300.
My main issue with celestial is the promotion system, because even on paper it doesn't work. If you really belong in the floor you are on, then you should theoretically be losing about 50% of your matches, because everyone you're playing against is equally skilled. So the idea that if you really belong in celestial you have to demonstrate an 80% win rate against celestial players is absurd, even on paper ir doesn't work. So unless you're some giga chad tourney player, you end up stalking the floor dodging bad match ups, only playing against your good matchups, and hoping you run into someone who either sucks, sandbags, isn't on their main, or is also on their promos, in essence, you undermine the entire metric all together.
Really pumping these out. Nice Job!
Or you can play to improve and you will eventually get there when you're good enough
Like... Every game has weird skill gaps in top rankings, and sometimes people that are worse than you get to the dream league TM and you don't
I've been mad about 10.5 for a lot of time but after switching characters a few times and I quickly realize I was severely lacking in a lot of fg skills and was only climbing to celes because people couldnt handle some tricky characters like I-No and Chaos.
Like the game has its rules : if you can't consistently beat people up there, you remain in floor 10. And I dont think you get matched against the BEST PLAYERS every time. I even when I get 0-2d I see those matched are fairly close. Just gotta git gud.
A Celestial Potemkin, with a 10.5 Ky here.
I think the Celestial challenge is cheesy, and doesn't work at a fundamental level. Today, I ran into a level 44 Chipp... with VIP status. This was immediately after failing my 4th attempt at Celestial with Ky today, and it made me think "why should I work so hard to work my way into Celestial when this Chipp cheesed his way in?" I won 3-0 against the Chipp, perfected him in one of the rounds, and then resolved to play in the Parks henceforth.
The boundary to get into Celestial is so arbitrary that it doesn't serve the purpose of being a "test" of whether or not you're good enough for Celestial. I've just stopped caring.
I'm playing in the JP/Korea region and the difference between floor 10 and celestial is ridiculous. I barely make it to celestial every month (usually like a week before reset lol) and the experience s just horrible. I'll be fighting a random like myself on floor 10, rank up and then fight Gobou/BNBBN/Daru/DarkNecro or whatever other monster jp player that you can think of and know that there is no chance in hell I'll make it in.
I would like it if they made it so they use an MMR like on the ratingupdate website, making the requirements for each floor more strict (especially for celestial) and getting rid of the 5 match requirement to remain in celestial. Granted this can be a double edged sword as the playerbase while healthy for a fighting game, is not as big, so it can cause long queue times for players with either really low or really high MMR.
Yeah the aura system gave me World of Warcraft Classic PvP ranking system PSTD flashbacks.
PvP rating in WoW Classic worked in a similar fashion as this. Each week, you'd gain rating based on how much honor (a type of score that you gain from killing other players or engaging in PvP activities and is not necessarily related to win rate or win/loss ratio) you achieved the week prior.
The only difference between the majority of the ranks was whether or not you were willing to grind an extra few hours a day. To reach rank 14 (the highest rank) on my server, you were looking at playing 16 hours a day every single day for like 3 months straight. And that number could theoretically be higher if you encountered a server where a bunch of people were all playing 17 hours a day every single day... >.> It was cursed.
Aura is given purely based on Total celestial wins that month.
Blue aura is Top 300 wins
Yellow aura is Top 200 Wins
Red aura is Top 100 Wins
I know this because I've gotten both red and yellow aura twice.
I believe you can keep celestial VIP but have no aura if you are Top 350 wins, although this is from thirdparty knowledge.
Honestly it kinda feels like Celestial itself should be in floors...?
Like. You would still need to pierce past 10 to get access, and it would depend on player count, but when celestial rooms fill up to a certain degree, maybe the game could just...make more. As long as the top player aren't in "forever queue hell," it should work, right?
MIssed a big problem with the tower in this video. It can be difficult to derank.
When me and a friend first got the game we didn't know about the park. We found each other in the tower to face off, I picked up on the game faster.
By winning a lot of matches only against my friend I got boosted into celestial (10.5). We discovered the park out of trying to find a way to still play together, but after that session I realized I was 8-9 floors too high up for my skill level.
Not being able to go to a floor lower than the one the game designates for you lead to many frustrating hours deranking only down to floor 7 and turned me off of playing the tower as I could not find players of a reasonably similar skill.
I'm stuck in floor 10 and holy shit are celestial player better. I hit the challenges once and got absolutely shat on by millias going ultra instinct
I’ve thought this for so long…just wash everyone in floor ten and play against a lvl 7k Zato, go 2-1, and play against a 5K Millia and go 2-1….and…yet I still get denied…because I lost “twice”….
Game really just makes you get to celestial. Then you just quit for the month, repeat until you want to do something else. To where Celestial players just go down to floor 10 for matches rendering celestial useless.
Entire floor system is boring to deal with, failing battle stations, match dodging, afk training standby taking up room, no information of match quality (ping, region of player), due to floor player caps and unselectable instances if you get put into a empty floor, oh well too bad try again. The entire system is so dumb, the game makes it so hard to just play the game.
Farm someone from floor 7 who can pick floor 10 and you can get into celestial. Really intelligent system.
I'm a stupid Faust main who got into Celestial and getting jossled around floors constantly gets very annoying. I'll just live on Floor 10 for my own sanity
I've been playing only for a week and I'm just a 9 floor (i got to 10 but immediately I fought against a chipp lvl 1020 and a zato lvl 620 or more i don't remember) even tho I thinks it's good
Or you can just call a friend and ask him for 5 free games. Kinda like people I know. Definitely a fraud system.
I get bodied in any floor over 5
Don't worry brother, you will earn your place in due time.
It took me almost 100 hours of the same character to get somewhere decent (and still no higher than floor 10)
I definitely prefer this system over traditional ranked matchmaking. I make it into Celestial every time I decide to play that month and I think that having a giant pool of players to play against of various skill levels is way more fun than a traditional sweaty ranked matchmaking. I have played Tekken and Soul Calibur and even Xrd Ranked and I definitely think that this system is more productive than all of them.
Performance based matchmaking is blatantly superior to skill based matchmaking which no one even played in the last game. Its the future of fighting games. They just need to improve the skill assessment.
personally, i think the floor system is alright. it prevents people like me who've never played a fighting game and picked axl 'because he's british' from getting steam rolled by a level 4000 nago player
Its funny my main complaint is that I have to use the lobby, the duel stations always bug out and I have to spend minutes to even sit at a fucking one. Using the training mode auto queue alleviates this but it will bug out and I have to requeue it up. Having a matchmaking mode that accounts for latency and skill would be a godsend.
I'm definitely at 10.5 but the way I see it, I don't care who I play during the celestial challenge if I lose its probably because I'm not good enough and I try again, it is what it is the journey of it is fun enough
Wish this could help me. I’m on floor 7.5. I get out of floor 7 pretty easily, and when I get to floor 8 I get sent back to floor 7 pretty quickly.
Cant wait for crossplay to come so I can be on both Steam and PS4 and fight myself on celestial for a free pass or........ for ASW to get rid of that godawful system.
Top 100 millia here. I also don’t like how much you have to constantly grind wins in order to keep your aura. I took 2 days off and lost my blue.
Dude I hate playing the tower because every time I play it I fight cowards that seeing who I’m playing and switch to someone who just counters me and spams the same move over and over
I dont understand why they just didnt copy the gbvs ranking system, that shit is perfect.
you got a new subscriber but honestly everything you thought was bad i either thought was good or just dgaf, like i dont care abt auras but goddamn trying to break thru the cloud ceiling is so much fun for me
i aint done it yet but i will someday
really cool bideo, epic carrot and zin shoutouts
3:48 As an NA player I should be offended, but he's kinda spittin
3:48 DESTROYED!!!
I'm pretty sure auras are the top 300 players 300-150 is blue, 150-50 is yellow and 50 and above is red.
coming from smash this system is so much better, granted I would take literally anything as long as the netcode was done well so my opinion is biased.
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following good opponents u come across also helps a bit, kinda like bookmarking them
Ive not touched anything other than the park in awhile. I feel too bad going up and down constantly and the load between moving up or down a floor is annoying
I was stuck on floor 2 for the longest time and it wasn’t because I just like sucked it was because I tend to have a lot of loosing streaks in a row