@@caldineescogroft8831 you both 236236p and 3 bombs, a minifaust and a meteorite come out for one and 2 bombs, a minifaust, a trumpet and a banana for the other. the scramble begins
As a Potemkin player, it's always nice to have a mirror match. That way we can share the paint, and singular brain cell, between us for 2 glorious minutes.
I legit stopped maining pot because the mirror is agony. No neutral, contant megafist / hammerfall / slidehead rps, the moment you get close its c.s / potbuster / megafist rps, winner is determined by whoever makes a lucky guess, since pot can't escape his own pressure.
Axl mirror matches are THE shit. It's a completely different game. There is no "oh such zoning bs" but only two chill lads throwing sickles at each other. I love it
I’ve always loved dittos. It’s a great way to see someone do something sick with your character and then next round do that exact same bullshit to them. But most importantly, you find a kindered spirit with the same mindset as you. Shout outs to the Millia and R.O.B. players for endlessly rematching and taunting back and fourth after each of us do something amazing.
There are few things i love more than a Faust mirror match where we both try to pull as many items as possible I will get angry if my opponent tries to play normally
As i've played through Strive i've realized... i hate every matchup... even my own lmao. I told my friend this and he said "Welp... welcome to Guilty Gear" i was dying lmao
knowing how to play the mirror match is one of the most empowering feelings, it feels like the rawest form of fighting games where when you're winning you can see how far you've come from just mashing buttons and using simple combos and new ways to use your kit. and then when you're getting stomped you can clearly see what else you can do and how much further you have to go to get better. and when its even its best part of fighting games spaghetti both players trying the wildest shit on each other just to get an edge.
Hello, person from 5:46 here. Just wanted to say I really enjoyed the video and it gave great insight on some ideas in mirror matches that I didnt have before! I wanted to also talk about the mention of defensive mirrors brought up at 8:20. As someone that plays a lot of defensive characters, I personally like the mirror since it feels way more strategic than any other match up I have, since there are so many options for both characters at all times. Also I always have fun watching your videos, and since I am kind of in this one, I thought this is probably the best time to say it. Cheers
As a Bridget main, my favorite thing to do in a mirror match is to remember all the stupid mistakes I make and wait for my opponent to make them instead.
I absolutely adore the elliana mirror in rivals of aether, elliana has crazy combo potential and she's huge combo food and very momentum-heavy, and there's also a ton of stuff she can only do against herself, the elli mirror is basically a mess of flying missiles and explosions where if either player makes a tiny mistake they get comboed into the blastzone and die
Weirdly, some games have exceptions with fg mirrors being 5-5. Tekken for example has player side having importance for being able to sidestep after forcing crouch with a decent example being kazuya mirror, same with melee and port priority with some mirrors.
I personally like mirror matches but that is partially because the Anji mirror match has a specific knowledge check in the Fujin/Spin interaction that I like. Fujin can cancel on wiff and swinging into Spin counts as wiffing. Because of this while empty Fujin is minus but a followup can actually frame trap. But then there is the matter of which followup to use as both Fujin and Spin move the characters closer to each other which leaves Nagiha punishable so which followup do you use? Stuff like that is very enjoyable to play around in my opinion (almost as fun as both Anji's doing season 1 fully charged Fujin at round start).
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I love running into mirror matches, its great fun. If its a weaker opponent, you get to teach them about the character. If they're stronger, time to steal all their tech.
As someone that plays both faust and potemkin, i always feel a dopamine rush when i get a mirror match, having someone that shares the braincell on the other side always evolves the match into a dick mesurement competition where the winner is the one who throws more items or the one who land more pb/hpb.
Mirror matches are good 👍 as finding a better player using the same character will help you find new techniques at a faster rate then any other methods. As you are directly experiencing on how to properly set up this new techniques. And the better player helps the less experience person. And yes xD 😆 the video said the same thing I just did
I love mirror matches because I always end up learning something new. Maybe it's just because I'm bad but I feel like I actively get better at playing the character while I fight that same character.
I love the mirror match because you see how someone plays the same character and what you do difrent than them it can show a different play style of the same charachter that isn't nececry better shows what can be made with the same tools
When I struggle in a match it's usually from lack of knowledge about my opponents character. But since the character I know the most in a game will be my main, then it let's me play at a much higher level than what I usually do because I don't have to go out of my way to figure out what my opponent's character can do, which can be a huge problem if they play a character I rarely see
I have an impression that the people who hate the mirror match usually are tied to one of two types of character: characters who are volatile, like the video said; and characters with a very defensive kit. I hate the Axl Mirror in Strive, not because it's volatile, in fact I think it's the exact opposite. Since his kit is mostly focused on long range and stopping the enemy's approach, most of the MU resumes into two apes throwing shit at each other from afar because any try to get close will be snapped away. Sure, if one gets close, then the situation gets exciting, with one trying to sneak in the few close-range options Axl has while the other fishes for a Bomber Loop or a One Vision thing, but sometimes the MU just doesn't reach that point and turns into a snorefest that's probably going to time out. Very little interaction between the two can lead into a MU just as insufferable as an explosive MU that one completely destroys the other. Meanwhile, if the character is more balanced, without an explosive action, but also without too many defensive tools and reactive zoning, things can be hectic. I honestly love the Hakumen dittos in CF, not because they are neutral based, but because they can be extremely silly, mostly because the defensive tools are proactive. You need to take the guess and use the counter, or else you get grabbed. It turns into an interesting game of RPS between Poke, Grab and Counter where both either play smart and try to catch the other or drink the whole can of paint and do stupid shit.
The best counter argument to latiff(I'm assuming that's player who ranted on twitter) is: If you were truly the best zato player, then you should also understand your characters possible routes and options, every combo in strive no matter how complex can be blocked and countered. You loosing is a simple case of your lack of understanding of your own character
No matter how much you understand theres no answer that beats everything. Zato mirror is Simple RPS. If you guess wrong once you’re in the gutter. Its not like a Ky Mirror or a Sol mirror. Latif worded it like a scrub and he did sound like a scrub which was funny but even if he understood everything abt zato u cant block unreactable mix consistently, guess in the RPS consistently etc
To me mirrors are the best experience. No bullshit just pure knowledge of your own character. It simply doesn´t feel unfair since both have the same toolkit. Even if it is a volatile matchup you can´t be salty over a loss since you could just aswell have been the winner if you had made different choices. While on the topic of volatile mirrors: learn to deal with it. Accept that you are playing a rather polarizing character. The mirror is probably not the only matchup that is volatile or where your character just crushes through sheer offensive power. It only showcases it more. I don´t even want to know how salty these players would get if it was not a mirror and still lost to that character since then they can actually blame the character. And if they REALLY don´t want to deal with the mirror for those money matches then learn a pocket character. Other players do that aswell for bad matchups.
The axl mirror is simply the best. Axls nonsense works pretty funky against axl, but at the end of it all, you’re never gonna find an axl ditto where there’s not a minor amount of goonery
I've been maining Bridget since her release, previously Ram. I've noticed that not a single person plays her the same. I've been rushed down, poked to death, spammed all her long distance moves, mixed to all hell, etc. Every single match with another Bridget is a tossup of what I'll have to deal with. It's fucking stressful, lol. She might be the most "jack of all trades" in the game, currently.
I don’t know about any of y’all, but I personally think the potemkin mirror matchup is the funniest thing you could ever get into, I was laughing like hell over which one of us will grab each other first and see if we can get each other to flinch.
The only thing I don't like about mirror matchs is somtimes I think I'm playing as my opponent's character. This doesn't happen often but in scrabble situations I sometimes lose which one is me.
On the topic of mirror matches being funny, somewhat related: I play Magic, and my main deck is RWG Slivers. Once, at the LGS, I met someone who also played slivers, and we decided to play a bo3. The thing is, slivers share all their abilities, so all MY slivers were giving buffs to my opponent's slivers as well, and vice-versa. It was wild
I'm a Ky player and mirror matches are some of THE most fun I've had with the game and it saddens me that some players will never feel the same because of the negatives you mentioned.
I'm a Rivals of Aether gremlin, in the form of a Kragg main, and I absolutely ADORE mirror matches. It's pure 1 on 1 on who can outskill, or in certain cases out-cheese, the other while giving both players the opportunity to learn new tech.
Mirror matches are pretty cool to me because a one-sided mirror match against me can really show how much higher the skill ceiling goes which both makes me super impressed by the enemy and helps get me excited to keep improving with my main
I very much fall into the camp of hating mirrors just because neutral is so absurdly annoying. How do you fight someone who’s looking for the same thing as you, playing in the exact same range? Situations where one player gets an advantage is where it gets fun for me though
"people who hate mirror and those who don't".. Honestly it just depends on the character. I love that it's a fast way to improve. However other times some mirror matches you are just playing a completely different game that won't help you anywhere else, and may even be annoying to fight (usually not annoying though). With that said I have been slowly trying to put in a few matches with my main in Guilty Gear Strive. Main is Jack-O for a bazillion reasons, but since I'm still familiarizing myself with the controls I'm still on floor 1/2 but there's no one ever down there so I'm just sitting in the training lab usually. I also notice that if I go into any other place people take it really easy on me because they see my level is so low which is sweet, but I have played enough games to know when someone stops trying and it's a little annoying sometimes because I can't learn what I should/shouldn't be doing. I was lucky enough to run into a Jack-O though, and they had some crazy combos that did some crazy damage. However it was rather close. I may not have been able to do combos, but I was able to repeatedly win the neutral and keep them in a disadvantageous position for most of the game. Still lost every game though, and this is a recurring theme with fighting everyone right now. Just gotta learn how to combo. (I may have gotten carried away with rambling here, woops!) I mainly play platform fighters so here are some of the dittos of mains I once had: Smash: Link: I've never met another Link that does not spam projectiles. Thus, they are not hard to beat, and I do not get to engage in the wonderful projectile play that drew me into competitive smash. I haven't tried to main belmonts, but belmont players suffer the same problem and it saddens me so much. Stop playing characters in a boring way! Samus: In Smash 4, it was interesting to see the different combos and playstyles. In Ultimate, it kinda devolves into charge shot spam for most players, but those aggressive Samus players that don't use the projectiles much and only use them to extend their pressure are very fun and scary! Lucario: Every Lucario I've played is either very bad, or has a bizarre unique way to play unlike any other that just fascinates me. It feels weird to have to be more on the aggressive side, because you need to kill Lucario early or he can swing things back in his favor. Lucario is always intense when he's on the field, but when there's two, you better not make any mistakes. Meta Knight: Hard to even find a meta knight main, most are bad even if you do find one, but if you are lucky to find a good one, it's one of the most intense experiences because of how fast he is, and you'll be looming around each other waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike. The ditto is probably my 2nd favorite matchup for Meta Knight, my most favorite is Meta Knight vs Pikachu because they have a lot of commonalities between them (I may also be biased 'cuz Pikachu main friend is the best Smash player I know, and has been playing since 64 and actually took my advice on stuff so he's so hard to fight now) Ridley: Out of all my mains I've tried to play, this is basically like trying to have a Potemkin ditto with how most people play Ridley. Everyone wants to do his side B to drag people to the other side of the stage, or just get a cheesy off-stage grab kill. Actual good Ridley players always interest me though, they find a way to make a simplistic character move in clever ways to give him more options. Sephiroth (current main ever since he came out): 9 times out of 10, it's just me absolutely wrecking him because he's a popular character, but he takes a while to learn how to play properly. That last 1 out of 10 times though just feels so good though. Get to feel each other adapting to each others movements more so than any other ditto because while he may have a lot of sluggish moves, he just has so many options and you can't be ready to avoid every single option he has. Brawlhalla: I mean, every character feels like a ditto since they are all so similar. I was a Munin main though. I wrecked every Munin I came across because everyone spams the sigs Munin has and expects to win because of it.... Which actually will work pretty well for a long time. Not against me though, since I knew the weaknesses of the sigs, so all the other Munins except for one lost to me in my time playing that game (but that person wasn't a Munin main, just a super good player flexing). Rivals of Aether: I have not played against someone else playing my main Elliana and probably never will because she's probably the hardest official character. She is currently my favorite fighter to play in any fighting game I've ever played. I friggin love watching Elliana dittos though. Other dittos I've only played with friends to teach them how to play since they don't usually play platform fighters, so too one-sided to say anything about. The "Ryu wannabe" Olympia was among the most fun that I had a ditto with (but that was also against the one person that was already a returning RoA player so he could kick my butt, so a little bias there). I maybe biased towards Ryu characters because it feels like every fighting game has Ryu in it. I played a bit of him in Marvel Vs Capcom on the Sega Dreamcast (wasn't my main there though. that'd be Jin + Strider), and Ryu is a blast to play in Smash. Multiversus: Honestly, most 1v1s feel really awful in Multiversus because it's so easy to avoid each other's attacks with how mobile, short range, and sluggish the moves are for most characters, but this is perfectly fine for 2v2s. The 3 Assassins Finn, Harley, Arya are all pretty fun because they feel more like what you expect from a fighting game, but are still a tad on the simplistic and sluggish side compared to what I'm used to. Shaggy is similar to the feeling of playing Captain Falcon in Smash so he's good (Cap does it waaay better though). Taz is a shockingly fun mirror match, you're just super aggressive because you both have no range whatsover, and his moveset wants you to press forward and attack. Tornado is a nice casual way to play, but then there's the tasty mechanic which makes you want to aggressively outplay as fast as you can so you can disable your opponent from doing anything so you can finish them off. So when Taz players actually stop tornado spamming and play well, it gets intense pretty fast. Reindog and Tom&Jerry both feel fun for me due to their zoning tools, area denial, and decent moves up close. I blame loving Rivals of Aether, and also getting into competitive fighters because of watching good projectile play between Link Vs Snake in Smash. I gotta say, the more a character makes you have to play the game (as opposed to the character playing itself) and the more options the character has to allow more different playstyles, the better the ditto.
I play faust and occasionally play with another faust that is definitely better than me by far, but somehow every single match we play something so stupid happens and neither of us know how or what just happened. Best mirror in Strive by far.
Faust v faust in plus r is just playing an rts game in plus r with three units (mini faust, pot, and robo ky) items as resources, and bombs, poison, and meteor as win conditions
the funniest thing is 2 testament fighting. and always 1 trying to outsmart the other with teleports it basically becomes a dragon ball battle with the characters wasting more time teleporting than actually fighting lol
Gio mirror is my jam, so much so that i rock the "Gios defeated" badge at all times while playing her. It puts extra pressure on me to win mirrors but it's worth it.
I love the Captain Falcon matchup, apparently its bad at high level because he just tods himself essentially, but at mid level it's just incredibly wild, both just trampling each other trying not to give the opponent a chance to get their turn again, and since you're both heavy it has big comeback potential
There are some games where playing on certain sides actually makes the mirror match unbalanced. Tekken has some situations (controller dependent) where sidestepping towards the screen out of crouch is impossible for p2 (iirc) Also 2P Heart is a full tier lower than 1P Heart in the Fist of the North Star FG, I forget exactly why.
I like my mirror match because it goofy. Though I from a mostly casual perspective I think there good I can tell you the number of times me and my opponent trade with the same move just to go into happy t-bags.
I was in a Sol mirror one time and it was pretty insightful, tbh. I even got the chance to practice my 'reads' and even experienced some fun moments; Round 1, my opponent did 6H (Counter?) on roundstart and on round 2, I thought "Why not copy him?" and *bam* we hit each other at same time on round start. Another time (same player still) we both did 214S at the same time but he held it a bit to long. I think I still have a replay saved from that match. In summary, I'm more towards the positive side of Mirrors. Can be very insightful or funny to experience, maybe both.
I find this interesting. In smash we aren't really against mirror matches (or dittos as we call them) aside from a few specific cases The most negative feelings I've seen towards dittos (aside from "x character likes to camp so we both just camp") is sentiments like "I suck at x ditto" rather than "x ditto is bs".
I personally don't enjoy mirror matches (because of ego I guess?), but I really resonated with the idea of learning to improve your character doing so. I remember playing BBCF as Azrael vs Azrael and saw this guy used moves in ways I never did as well as combos I didn't know was possible. And after that I simply incorporated those things into my own gameplay and improved by quite a bit afterwards (even if I got fucked up and lost hard)!
Anji mirrors are my favourite thing. I'm barely into Celestial (got in last week) so I'm not rolling with the best yet, but it is a sight to see the stuff those high-level Anji players pull off, even if I'm the punching bag for their new combo or mix. I even had a Celestial Anji kick me out of the challenge a while back, three hundred levels over me, but it was a blast for every second of our matches.
Indifferent. Rushdown characters are fun for mirror matchups. Others, not so much. Pot: Just grapple him, Zato: As previously mentioned, Chaos: Pain, Axl: British Pain, Faust: Hivemind... Or hot potato.
If you hate your characters mirror match it means you are subjecting other people to what you hate. Pot Pot matches are great, I love fighting fellow big dudes
"i aint losin im the best "insert character name" there is" few seconds later "i am not the best "insert character name" there is" im talking about arcade mode tho
I get where Latif and Togata are coming from because it can be frustrating, but I love the Zato Mirror it so fun seeing 2 Eddie duking it out like some sort of illegal underground animal tournament not to mention seeing both Zatos going for Damned Fang at the same time is so fucking funny, oh and don't even get me started on interactions with Oppose or Break the Law because the absolute bullshit you can come up with is amazing (it's the same reason why I like the Relius mirror in bbcf cuz you can see some wierd ass Matadors or two Duo Bios clashing it's so stupid). Honestly the only mirrors i don't like are with characters i like playing but not fight ageinst, best exemple I can think off is the Nine mirror in bbcf
A few weeks ago I had a mirror match in dragon ball fighterz. I am playing cooler since I got the game and the other side pulled off a combo I didn't know. So I went to the lab and copied it. I like mirror matches.
i hate the fact that I can't exploit my opponent's weakness since they have the same options as me and the game just becomes who loses neutral first (if equal level)
Fun fact, there is at least one mirror that isn't even, that being snake mirrors in smash bros brawl. The mirror is 6-4 for whoever has the higher port(or lower, I don't remember
Every single axl i run into in mirror matches are just as goofy as i am and we often spend like 30 seconds fucking around with time stop or clashing moves
Tbh I’m a fan of my mirror match in sfv because I play zeku and other players are better than me so It’s just a mirror match half the time and I get to see people do cool stuff with execution that I can’t do
Playing a Millia ditto made my laptop run the game faster. Idk how, but before that game it would run at about 80% speed and now it runs at 100% fairly consistently.
I hate mirror matches because I can't blame my opponent's character if I lose
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Jokes on you I still do it 😎
chad answer.
Just say the mirror is random and call it a day.
sportmanship
The Faust mirror is so freaking funny. It sometimes just comes down to pure luck or who crawls under a normal
Yep
As a Faust main I agree lol
Is a very serious game of hotpotato
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@@caldineescogroft8831 you both 236236p and 3 bombs, a minifaust and a meteorite come out for one and 2 bombs, a minifaust, a trumpet and a banana for the other. the scramble begins
As a Potemkin player, it's always nice to have a mirror match. That way we can share the paint, and singular brain cell, between us for 2 glorious minutes.
Seriously, pot mirrors are some of the funniest shit ever
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it just devolves to crouch spam at one point and after that it feels more like just doing dumb shit than playing the game
I legit stopped maining pot because the mirror is agony.
No neutral, contant megafist / hammerfall / slidehead rps, the moment you get close its c.s / potbuster / megafist rps, winner is determined by whoever makes a lucky guess, since pot can't escape his own pressure.
@@107zxz3 yes and that is entertainment for me
Axl mirror matches are THE shit. It's a completely different game. There is no "oh such zoning bs" but only two chill lads throwing sickles at each other. I love it
Axl mirrors are terrifying lol, I had one turn into "will I Rensen or will I Winter Mantis"
@@Miss.Play67 if you jump winter mantis, can't you just punish with j.S?
@@bassbusterx or 6P depending on range but yeah
EDIT: misread, but yeah you could punish with j.S
I’ve always loved dittos. It’s a great way to see someone do something sick with your character and then next round do that exact same bullshit to them.
But most importantly, you find a kindered spirit with the same mindset as you. Shout outs to the Millia and R.O.B. players for endlessly rematching and taunting back and fourth after each of us do something amazing.
We call them mirror matches around here you filthy filthy smasher.
There are few things i love more than a Faust mirror match where we both try to pull as many items as possible
I will get angry if my opponent tries to play normally
I feel the more neutral-based the character, the more entertaining the set.
Those Ky mirrors... they're just 👌
I like to pretend that Ky mirror matches are Ky vs Robo-Ky. Who just had some upgrades.
As i've played through Strive i've realized... i hate every matchup... even my own lmao. I told my friend this and he said "Welp... welcome to Guilty Gear" i was dying lmao
knowing how to play the mirror match is one of the most empowering feelings, it feels like the rawest form of fighting games where when you're winning you can see how far you've come from just mashing buttons and using simple combos and new ways to use your kit. and then when you're getting stomped you can clearly see what else you can do and how much further you have to go to get better. and when its even its best part of fighting games spaghetti both players trying the wildest shit on each other just to get an edge.
As a jack-o player, i hate mirror matches cuz im forces to confront the horrible bs i put people thru
True I don't know how to counter minions as a fellow jack o player
Hello, person from 5:46 here. Just wanted to say I really enjoyed the video and it gave great insight on some ideas in mirror matches that I didnt have before! I wanted to also talk about the mention of defensive mirrors brought up at 8:20. As someone that plays a lot of defensive characters, I personally like the mirror since it feels way more strategic than any other match up I have, since there are so many options for both characters at all times. Also I always have fun watching your videos, and since I am kind of in this one, I thought this is probably the best time to say it. Cheers
faust mirror match is one of the best examples of a very silly mirror matchup
As a Bridget main, my favorite thing to do in a mirror match is to remember all the stupid mistakes I make and wait for my opponent to make them instead.
I absolutely adore the elliana mirror in rivals of aether, elliana has crazy combo potential and she's huge combo food and very momentum-heavy, and there's also a ton of stuff she can only do against herself, the elli mirror is basically a mess of flying missiles and explosions where if either player makes a tiny mistake they get comboed into the blastzone and die
I love the baiken mirror it’s just hilarious fighting Someone with parry
Weirdly, some games have exceptions with fg mirrors being 5-5. Tekken for example has player side having importance for being able to sidestep after forcing crouch with a decent example being kazuya mirror, same with melee and port priority with some mirrors.
Wasn't Snake like 4-6 in one player's favor in Brawl?
I personally like mirror matches but that is partially because the Anji mirror match has a specific knowledge check in the Fujin/Spin interaction that I like. Fujin can cancel on wiff and swinging into Spin counts as wiffing. Because of this while empty Fujin is minus but a followup can actually frame trap. But then there is the matter of which followup to use as both Fujin and Spin move the characters closer to each other which leaves Nagiha punishable so which followup do you use? Stuff like that is very enjoyable to play around in my opinion (almost as fun as both Anji's doing season 1 fully charged Fujin at round start).
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I love running into mirror matches, its great fun. If its a weaker opponent, you get to teach them about the character. If they're stronger, time to steal all their tech.
As someone that plays both faust and potemkin, i always feel a dopamine rush when i get a mirror match, having someone that shares the braincell on the other side always evolves the match into a dick mesurement competition where the winner is the one who throws more items or the one who land more pb/hpb.
Mirror Match: UHH not a Ditto!!! DIE!
Mirror Happy Chaos Match: HIGHFIVE!!! You looking good!
"Yeah, I know how to play this character!" Gets absolutely RAILED in a mirror match. "...so it's called dust loop?"
Mirror matches are good 👍 as finding a better player using the same character will help you find new techniques at a faster rate then any other methods. As you are directly experiencing on how to properly set up this new techniques.
And the better player helps the less experience person.
And yes xD 😆 the video said the same thing I just did
I love mirror matches because I always end up learning something new. Maybe it's just because I'm bad but I feel like I actively get better at playing the character while I fight that same character.
I love the mirror match
because you see how someone plays the same character and what you do difrent than them
it can show a different play style of the same charachter that isn't nececry better shows what can be made with the same tools
When I struggle in a match it's usually from lack of knowledge about my opponents character. But since the character I know the most in a game will be my main, then it let's me play at a much higher level than what I usually do because I don't have to go out of my way to figure out what my opponent's character can do, which can be a huge problem if they play a character I rarely see
And when the world needed him most. He gave us glorious memes and fighting game essays.
Bless the gekkosquirrel.
I have an impression that the people who hate the mirror match usually are tied to one of two types of character: characters who are volatile, like the video said; and characters with a very defensive kit. I hate the Axl Mirror in Strive, not because it's volatile, in fact I think it's the exact opposite. Since his kit is mostly focused on long range and stopping the enemy's approach, most of the MU resumes into two apes throwing shit at each other from afar because any try to get close will be snapped away. Sure, if one gets close, then the situation gets exciting, with one trying to sneak in the few close-range options Axl has while the other fishes for a Bomber Loop or a One Vision thing, but sometimes the MU just doesn't reach that point and turns into a snorefest that's probably going to time out. Very little interaction between the two can lead into a MU just as insufferable as an explosive MU that one completely destroys the other.
Meanwhile, if the character is more balanced, without an explosive action, but also without too many defensive tools and reactive zoning, things can be hectic. I honestly love the Hakumen dittos in CF, not because they are neutral based, but because they can be extremely silly, mostly because the defensive tools are proactive. You need to take the guess and use the counter, or else you get grabbed. It turns into an interesting game of RPS between Poke, Grab and Counter where both either play smart and try to catch the other or drink the whole can of paint and do stupid shit.
The best counter argument to latiff(I'm assuming that's player who ranted on twitter) is: If you were truly the best zato player, then you should also understand your characters possible routes and options, every combo in strive no matter how complex can be blocked and countered. You loosing is a simple case of your lack of understanding of your own character
No matter how much you understand theres no answer that beats everything. Zato mirror is Simple RPS. If you guess wrong once you’re in the gutter. Its not like a Ky Mirror or a Sol mirror. Latif worded it like a scrub and he did sound like a scrub which was funny but even if he understood everything abt zato u cant block unreactable mix consistently, guess in the RPS consistently etc
I love May mirrors. Slamming 2 dolphins into each other at Mach 5 will never not be funny.
To me mirrors are the best experience. No bullshit just pure knowledge of your own character. It simply doesn´t feel unfair since both have the same toolkit. Even if it is a volatile matchup you can´t be salty over a loss since you could just aswell have been the winner if you had made different choices.
While on the topic of volatile mirrors: learn to deal with it. Accept that you are playing a rather polarizing character. The mirror is probably not the only matchup that is volatile or where your character just crushes through sheer offensive power. It only showcases it more. I don´t even want to know how salty these players would get if it was not a mirror and still lost to that character since then they can actually blame the character. And if they REALLY don´t want to deal with the mirror for those money matches then learn a pocket character. Other players do that aswell for bad matchups.
0:44 *“I’ll Face Myself” intensifies*
The axl mirror is simply the best. Axls nonsense works pretty funky against axl, but at the end of it all, you’re never gonna find an axl ditto where there’s not a minor amount of goonery
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Bridget mirror matches are like a turn based rpg, who will shoot the yoyo first?
I've been maining Bridget since her release, previously Ram.
I've noticed that not a single person plays her the same. I've been rushed down, poked to death, spammed all her long distance moves, mixed to all hell, etc.
Every single match with another Bridget is a tossup of what I'll have to deal with. It's fucking stressful, lol. She might be the most "jack of all trades" in the game, currently.
@@Aeikon Bridget is too powerful
I don’t know about any of y’all, but I personally think the potemkin mirror matchup is the funniest thing you could ever get into, I was laughing like hell over which one of us will grab each other first and see if we can get each other to flinch.
i love mirror matches because it means i have nothing to blame but me for my loss, which one of us is better! the most hype tbh
The only thing I don't like about mirror matchs is somtimes I think I'm playing as my opponent's character. This doesn't happen often but in scrabble situations I sometimes lose which one is me.
On the topic of mirror matches being funny, somewhat related: I play Magic, and my main deck is RWG Slivers. Once, at the LGS, I met someone who also played slivers, and we decided to play a bo3. The thing is, slivers share all their abilities, so all MY slivers were giving buffs to my opponent's slivers as well, and vice-versa. It was wild
Jack-O mirror match is… something. So many Minions…. So many….
millia ditto is just two crack addicted flies fighting until the guessing game begins
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Another great video! Love to see you exploring these topics. Keep em coming.
Stance character mirrors are my favorite cause depending on the character / game they sometimes dont even feel like mirrors
As someone playing Ganondorf in Smash, the mirror is nice.
It's the only matchup he wins.
thank you for stratching my GGST brainworms i have at current
Two Pots hammerfalling at the same time, and the second one gets the hit - mirror jank
0:16 "...with a lot of the most popular fighting games having seemingly small rosters depending on what you're coming from."
tech ken...
I'm a Ky player and mirror matches are some of THE most fun I've had with the game and it saddens me that some players will never feel the same because of the negatives you mentioned.
The most ridiculous mirror match in history has to be Ex-Death in Dissidia D012. It.. is a thing to behold.
I'm a Rivals of Aether gremlin, in the form of a Kragg main, and I absolutely ADORE mirror matches. It's pure 1 on 1 on who can outskill, or in certain cases out-cheese, the other while giving both players the opportunity to learn new tech.
I like mirrors because i'm a pot and faust main.
Shout out to Brawl Snake for having an uneven matchup against himself because he's disproportionately affected by port priority.
Assert dominance during the mirror match. Prove you are the better player on the character 🦍
Mirror matches are pretty cool to me because a one-sided mirror match against me can really show how much higher the skill ceiling goes which both makes me super impressed by the enemy and helps get me excited to keep improving with my main
Keep up the amazing vids ive recently got into guilty gear cause of you and I've been have a blast. P.S does anyone know the song for the credits?
I like mirror matchups against people I don’t know. When it’s my friends, they always win, and usually by a lot lol
I very much fall into the camp of hating mirrors just because neutral is so absurdly annoying. How do you fight someone who’s looking for the same thing as you, playing in the exact same range? Situations where one player gets an advantage is where it gets fun for me though
"people who hate mirror and those who don't".. Honestly it just depends on the character. I love that it's a fast way to improve. However other times some mirror matches you are just playing a completely different game that won't help you anywhere else, and may even be annoying to fight (usually not annoying though).
With that said I have been slowly trying to put in a few matches with my main in Guilty Gear Strive. Main is Jack-O for a bazillion reasons, but since I'm still familiarizing myself with the controls I'm still on floor 1/2 but there's no one ever down there so I'm just sitting in the training lab usually. I also notice that if I go into any other place people take it really easy on me because they see my level is so low which is sweet, but I have played enough games to know when someone stops trying and it's a little annoying sometimes because I can't learn what I should/shouldn't be doing.
I was lucky enough to run into a Jack-O though, and they had some crazy combos that did some crazy damage. However it was rather close. I may not have been able to do combos, but I was able to repeatedly win the neutral and keep them in a disadvantageous position for most of the game. Still lost every game though, and this is a recurring theme with fighting everyone right now. Just gotta learn how to combo.
(I may have gotten carried away with rambling here, woops!)
I mainly play platform fighters so here are some of the dittos of mains I once had:
Smash:
Link: I've never met another Link that does not spam projectiles. Thus, they are not hard to beat, and I do not get to engage in the wonderful projectile play that drew me into competitive smash. I haven't tried to main belmonts, but belmont players suffer the same problem and it saddens me so much. Stop playing characters in a boring way!
Samus: In Smash 4, it was interesting to see the different combos and playstyles. In Ultimate, it kinda devolves into charge shot spam for most players, but those aggressive Samus players that don't use the projectiles much and only use them to extend their pressure are very fun and scary!
Lucario: Every Lucario I've played is either very bad, or has a bizarre unique way to play unlike any other that just fascinates me. It feels weird to have to be more on the aggressive side, because you need to kill Lucario early or he can swing things back in his favor. Lucario is always intense when he's on the field, but when there's two, you better not make any mistakes.
Meta Knight: Hard to even find a meta knight main, most are bad even if you do find one, but if you are lucky to find a good one, it's one of the most intense experiences because of how fast he is, and you'll be looming around each other waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike. The ditto is probably my 2nd favorite matchup for Meta Knight, my most favorite is Meta Knight vs Pikachu because they have a lot of commonalities between them (I may also be biased 'cuz Pikachu main friend is the best Smash player I know, and has been playing since 64 and actually took my advice on stuff so he's so hard to fight now)
Ridley: Out of all my mains I've tried to play, this is basically like trying to have a Potemkin ditto with how most people play Ridley. Everyone wants to do his side B to drag people to the other side of the stage, or just get a cheesy off-stage grab kill. Actual good Ridley players always interest me though, they find a way to make a simplistic character move in clever ways to give him more options.
Sephiroth (current main ever since he came out): 9 times out of 10, it's just me absolutely wrecking him because he's a popular character, but he takes a while to learn how to play properly. That last 1 out of 10 times though just feels so good though. Get to feel each other adapting to each others movements more so than any other ditto because while he may have a lot of sluggish moves, he just has so many options and you can't be ready to avoid every single option he has.
Brawlhalla: I mean, every character feels like a ditto since they are all so similar. I was a Munin main though. I wrecked every Munin I came across because everyone spams the sigs Munin has and expects to win because of it.... Which actually will work pretty well for a long time. Not against me though, since I knew the weaknesses of the sigs, so all the other Munins except for one lost to me in my time playing that game (but that person wasn't a Munin main, just a super good player flexing).
Rivals of Aether: I have not played against someone else playing my main Elliana and probably never will because she's probably the hardest official character. She is currently my favorite fighter to play in any fighting game I've ever played. I friggin love watching Elliana dittos though. Other dittos I've only played with friends to teach them how to play since they don't usually play platform fighters, so too one-sided to say anything about. The "Ryu wannabe" Olympia was among the most fun that I had a ditto with (but that was also against the one person that was already a returning RoA player so he could kick my butt, so a little bias there). I maybe biased towards Ryu characters because it feels like every fighting game has Ryu in it. I played a bit of him in Marvel Vs Capcom on the Sega Dreamcast (wasn't my main there though. that'd be Jin + Strider), and Ryu is a blast to play in Smash.
Multiversus: Honestly, most 1v1s feel really awful in Multiversus because it's so easy to avoid each other's attacks with how mobile, short range, and sluggish the moves are for most characters, but this is perfectly fine for 2v2s. The 3 Assassins Finn, Harley, Arya are all pretty fun because they feel more like what you expect from a fighting game, but are still a tad on the simplistic and sluggish side compared to what I'm used to. Shaggy is similar to the feeling of playing Captain Falcon in Smash so he's good (Cap does it waaay better though). Taz is a shockingly fun mirror match, you're just super aggressive because you both have no range whatsover, and his moveset wants you to press forward and attack. Tornado is a nice casual way to play, but then there's the tasty mechanic which makes you want to aggressively outplay as fast as you can so you can disable your opponent from doing anything so you can finish them off. So when Taz players actually stop tornado spamming and play well, it gets intense pretty fast. Reindog and Tom&Jerry both feel fun for me due to their zoning tools, area denial, and decent moves up close. I blame loving Rivals of Aether, and also getting into competitive fighters because of watching good projectile play between Link Vs Snake in Smash.
I gotta say, the more a character makes you have to play the game (as opposed to the character playing itself) and the more options the character has to allow more different playstyles, the better the ditto.
I play faust and occasionally play with another faust that is definitely better than me by far, but somehow every single match we play something so stupid happens and neither of us know how or what just happened. Best mirror in Strive by far.
Zato players struggling against zato ofense is the most delicious bit of irony in this world and i love it.
Thank you gekko for the supportive ending we all appreciate it
Faust v faust in plus r is just playing an rts game in plus r with three units (mini faust, pot, and robo ky) items as resources, and bombs, poison, and meteor as win conditions
I hate mirror matches in strive I can't explain but it just feels weird and always feel scrambly. I rather just switch to on of my other characters.
Goldlewis mirrors are funny af
the funniest thing is 2 testament fighting.
and always 1 trying to outsmart the other with teleports it basically becomes a dragon ball battle with the characters wasting more time teleporting than actually fighting lol
Zoner mirrors are wild.
as a new player I love mirror matches because the only character's moves I know is my own
Gio mirror is my jam, so much so that i rock the "Gios defeated" badge at all times while playing her. It puts extra pressure on me to win mirrors but it's worth it.
I love the Captain Falcon matchup, apparently its bad at high level because he just tods himself essentially, but at mid level it's just incredibly wild, both just trampling each other trying not to give the opponent a chance to get their turn again, and since you're both heavy it has big comeback potential
There are some games where playing on certain sides actually makes the mirror match unbalanced.
Tekken has some situations (controller dependent) where sidestepping towards the screen out of crouch is impossible for p2 (iirc)
Also 2P Heart is a full tier lower than 1P Heart in the Fist of the North Star FG, I forget exactly why.
Wake up babe, a new gekkosquirrel video came out
You love your character so much, you should love playing against them too.....giggedy
I was literally watching your videos as this popped up so I’m here fairly early
I like my mirror match because it goofy. Though I from a mostly casual perspective I think there good I can tell you the number of times me and my opponent trade with the same move just to go into happy t-bags.
I was in a Sol mirror one time and it was pretty insightful, tbh. I even got the chance to practice my 'reads' and even experienced some fun moments; Round 1, my opponent did 6H (Counter?) on roundstart and on round 2, I thought "Why not copy him?" and *bam* we hit each other at same time on round start. Another time (same player still) we both did 214S at the same time but he held it a bit to long. I think I still have a replay saved from that match.
In summary, I'm more towards the positive side of Mirrors. Can be very insightful or funny to experience, maybe both.
happy chaos mirror tends to come down to who fumbles the least in my experience
he is very easy to fumble with
I find this interesting. In smash we aren't really against mirror matches (or dittos as we call them) aside from a few specific cases The most negative feelings I've seen towards dittos (aside from "x character likes to camp so we both just camp") is sentiments like "I suck at x ditto" rather than "x ditto is bs".
I personally don't enjoy mirror matches (because of ego I guess?), but I really resonated with the idea of learning to improve your character doing so. I remember playing BBCF as Azrael vs Azrael and saw this guy used moves in ways I never did as well as combos I didn't know was possible. And after that I simply incorporated those things into my own gameplay and improved by quite a bit afterwards (even if I got fucked up and lost hard)!
Faust v Faust is RNG and I love it
Anji mirrors are my favourite thing. I'm barely into Celestial (got in last week) so I'm not rolling with the best yet, but it is a sight to see the stuff those high-level Anji players pull off, even if I'm the punching bag for their new combo or mix. I even had a Celestial Anji kick me out of the challenge a while back, three hundred levels over me, but it was a blast for every second of our matches.
Indifferent. Rushdown characters are fun for mirror matchups. Others, not so much. Pot: Just grapple him, Zato: As previously mentioned, Chaos: Pain, Axl: British Pain, Faust: Hivemind... Or hot potato.
If you hate your characters mirror match it means you are subjecting other people to what you hate. Pot Pot matches are great, I love fighting fellow big dudes
"i aint losin im the best "insert character name" there is"
few seconds later
"i am not the best "insert character name" there is"
im talking about arcade mode tho
I get where Latif and Togata are coming from because it can be frustrating, but I love the Zato Mirror it so fun seeing 2 Eddie duking it out like some sort of illegal underground animal tournament not to mention seeing both Zatos going for Damned Fang at the same time is so fucking funny, oh and don't even get me started on interactions with Oppose or Break the Law because the absolute bullshit you can come up with is amazing (it's the same reason why I like the Relius mirror in bbcf cuz you can see some wierd ass Matadors or two Duo Bios clashing it's so stupid). Honestly the only mirrors i don't like are with characters i like playing but not fight ageinst, best exemple I can think off is the Nine mirror in bbcf
A few weeks ago I had a mirror match in dragon ball fighterz. I am playing cooler since I got the game and the other side pulled off a combo I didn't know. So I went to the lab and copied it. I like mirror matches.
Pot mirrors or goofy, I like to "handshake" at the begining, land one hit and take one hit as a warning that glue sniffing is about to ensue
i hate the fact that I can't exploit my opponent's weakness since they have the same options as me and the game just becomes who loses neutral first (if equal level)
2:43 perhaps that was a uncle dane reference featuring the popular hit song Feel like playin' engineer??
Fun fact, there is at least one mirror that isn't even, that being snake mirrors in smash bros brawl. The mirror is 6-4 for whoever has the higher port(or lower, I don't remember
Every single axl i run into in mirror matches are just as goofy as i am and we often spend like 30 seconds fucking around with time stop or clashing moves
Mirror matches in any sort of game are my favorite type of game mode because winning literally just means I'm superior.
Smash mirrors are hilarious, even as a Richter player
Tbh I’m a fan of my mirror match in sfv because I play zeku and other players are better than me so It’s just a mirror match half the time and I get to see people do cool stuff with execution that I can’t do
As a faust Main it's funny as shit when we just say fuck it and spam items
Great video as always man
Playing a Millia ditto made my laptop run the game faster. Idk how, but before that game it would run at about 80% speed and now it runs at 100% fairly consistently.
Nanaya mirrors are pretty fun in Melty, idk about other characters though
faust mirror match ups rule, they're litteraly rng but i have fun anyways
although i would hate it in tourney
Not GG, but the quote nonetheless refuses to leave my head.
Who wins neutral? THE ONE WITH THE BAT *cheering*