I HATE INFLUENCER STALLION OWNERS
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Tanya’s response to my video is hilarious... she didn't even attempt to dispute anything I said. Not that Sox is a crossbreed. Not that he’s unlicensed. Not that he needs to be gelded. Not that she’s an irresponsible backyard breeder. Not that Sox has dental health issues or that he hasn’t been genetically tested. Nope... Her only response is that Sox is ‘special needs’ and has a neurological problem? Uh, what now? So why on earth are you BREEDING HIM? What the actual F**K.
Oh my word - how did she think that was a good comeback..?! Admitting that the horse she's been BREEDING all this time has a neurological problem..?! What, did she think there aren't enough horses with neurological problems in this world, so let's spread it, on purpose, as much as possible..? Not to mention that bad temperament can also be passed down to foals.
@@jayATUKShe is just a rage baiter. She knows what gets views, she loves when big influencers give her this kind of attention.
WTF... People are really shit sometimes. IF a stallion has behavioral issues - training and giving him the most natural way of living possible. If the problem persists, well, forst of all you don't go out to people and events with a horse you cannot control! Especially a stallion that could do so much more bad stuff...
Breeding a horse with a known sickness, something that came to him on its own? I wonder if she advertises this disorder as well... BEcause that is more than irresponsible breeding, what she does is fraud, I would say. She's knowingly stating untruth. For the mare owner, well, you should always check, just in case, always, but they shouldnt need to do this...
@RaleighLink
There is a thing that you have forgotten to talk about jousting horses
Firstly, if your horse is "quirky &/or challenged," they shouldn't be bred regardless of sex. We should only breed emotionally/ mentally/ temperament sound horses.
Exactly. I have a friend who worked for several years as a groom at American Saddlebred show stables in North Carolina and Kentucky. A good number of the horses she was in charge of were World Champions and when I visited her, she pointed out a particular horse who would constantly try to bite anyone who came near him. Nothing they tried stopped him, and she told me all of the horses in that bloodline did the same thing. I asked why the people kept breeding from that line, and she said it was because they all won. So, an entire line of American Saddlebreds with an inbred dangerous habit exists simply because ribbons and trophies and their pictures in the American Saddlebred magazine were more important to the owners and breeders than breeding mentally healthy horses.
Just like with people 😊
Why should we force innocent animals to be pregnant when it only benefits us?
@@DoritoBot9000 bait used to be believable
Just to say:
ANY horse acting like Sox (stallion or not) should not be acting like this around people. Pasture play with themselves and other horses, fine, but around people you have at least a thousand pound animal that can really do damage to you.
A stallion showing that much disrespect and stallion traits should not be showing. It would take one mare in heat to cause a disaster.
PREACH!!!
@@solitairesmith3553OMG! I stated exactly that on one of her videos and you would not believe the hate that came at me.
I cannot believe this horse is 20 years old with the way that he's behaving. I would bet a lot of money that he was never a good stallion.
Just imagine how he behaved as a youngster ! Yeah nope 😅
I’ll bet he was ten times worse when he was younger 💀
It's the first time seeing anything about sox. Not a horse girl, but 20 years old and behaving like that is a massive red flag.
Yes.. I thought he was like 3-4 years old 🫣
My horse has a attitude with yanking his head up and down when someone is in a saddle because his old owners when he would be snotty they would just get of of him so he would just learn bad behavior so I have been working with him and he’s been a bit better btw he’s not a stallion he’s been nutured
not only does he lack manners, he constantly looks high-strung and stressed. he's not just "quirky" with "a big personality," he has no outlet for his pent-up hormones and emotions other than to lash out and be incredibly dangerous. the lack of training in conjunction with her misinterpreting all of his behaviors sets such a bad precedent about horses and stallions. i'd also be FURIOUS if i were at a show from that one clip and a stallion was acting like that ANYWHERE near me and my horses
I’d scratch if I went to a show and saw a stallion acting like that. No way am I getting near that circus and endangering both myself and my horse’s lives
I believe he’s also being kept completely alone. No wonder he’s gone mad in the head.
@@crystal3857 this right there. I don't have tiktok, where the owner seems to post the most, but neither on her fb page or instagram page the horse is shown with others. He's alone on every recording, even on the pasture, but her other horses are on the pasture together with no problem. The only contact with other horses he gets is through the pasture fence, when the owners walks him by the mare/the other way around.
@@Anonymous-fb1qu I'd report the horse and owner to the directors, they don't need that liability
Owning a stallion like Sox is proof you’re trying to compensate for something that you lack through him.
You see it constantly with dog owners, and it infuriates me.
@@WobblesandBean
And SOME gigantic truck owners......But, well... there are so many HUGE trucks out there it's hard to tell.
@@pattymelt-go3fv Just look for the "Truck Nuts" 😂😂😂
No? It's proof that you don't know crap about horses or how they should behave.
@@EquiEnthusiast They’re also right. Animals reflect their owner’s behavior. If your horse is behaving badly like Sox, then it’s reflecting you as a person.
A stallion like Sox is the result of a woman who has never taken responsibilities for stuff in her life, much less her failures. She’s a lazy person who doesn’t like being told she’s wrong, and can’t accept when she is wrong. She makes up excuse after excuse to try and justify her stallion’s behavior. The lady is a lazy woman, a woman who has never been responsible in her life, and can’t take advice.
Sox is the reflection of her faults in her life and her failures. She’s a failure of a horse owner and a person in general if she can’t fix herself. It’s clear she’s been like this for a long time.
I told her he wasn’t trained or handled properly and she told me I was MEAN. I’m a trainer, she’s an idiot.
She's not an idiot, she don't know how to educate her horse, because she's not a trainer. Many people say they're trainers, but don't have any schooling. In united states there are'nt real schools. In belgium and the netherlands there you need to have a degree to give lessons, like in Orun 1 to 5, you need to have a5 least degree 3, another: NCSAH, or human and horse academy or freestyle academy. Ther are even special schools with normal education combined wit horses, where you can bring even your horse in a boarding school or AERES equestrian business education... And in the states you can say you're a trainer without the formation, only because you have experience or you learned from others. A big diference.
@@joannesmartens9442 By definition that’s an idiot
She knows exactly what she's doing. She doesn't care, she's milking this for attention at Sox's expense. She's an objectively horrible person.
Yeah she’s a horrible person like she could find a good trainer so that Sox could get trained but it looks like she wants more fame from her horse
She is definitely an idiot. Blatantly being irresponsible AND posting it to social media for more stupid people to see and think it's okay. There wouldn't be any problems if she would do some actual research and train her animal.
Full stop. Crossbred horses like Sox should never be bred regardless of temperment. Furthermore, any purebred horse with NO genetic testing should NEVER be bred.
also most crossbred horses aren't even registered
@@erikacouture4577yeah so true!
Agree about Sox's confirmation. The elongated neck is a giveaway of being crossbred, imo.
Genuine question, are crossbred horses less healthy? Because it is generally the opposite with other animals (ex. cats and dogs). I don't mean specifically Sox, just in general (assuming the horses have been genetically tested)
Edit: Thank you to everyone who responded by pointing out the lack of evidence to suggest cross-bred animals are generally healthier. However if the animal has been genetically tested (and the test comes back with no issues), does it matter if the animal is mixed?
I mean most warmbloods and registries are crossbred if there wasn't any genetic diversity with adding and subtracting breeds to make a breed better then we'd have more horses like Arabians and halter quarter horses lol however I'm not disagreeing with this specific horse.
"just because a stallion is a purebred, does not mean that the stallion should be bred" PREACH!!!!!
Well if you watched the full video she said that Sox is not purebred
@@Mikrokosmoslvrif you watched the video you would’ve heard at 12:19 what was quoted in the comment was said LOL
@ I know that, I jus think what she said in general is what everyone needs to hear
As a German , having lived in Germany and being around Hanoverians I knew from the get go that he’s not pure nore is he registered. Before registering your horse in Germany you must go and physically show your horse at their events , they judge his conformation etc. get him tested and then vote if he’s “ quality enough “ to be approved. He should’ve been gelded a long time ago
He is approuved by the espen R, this is another studbook also for hannoverian horses, he's a licensed stallion. This studbook has same judgement as the hannoverian band or the brittish BHHS.
I think the problem of this horse is that tania did'nt knew how to educate her horse, but a good trainer could learn much to this horse and his rider. Even without be gelded.😊
In Germany are rather strict rules with what stallions you can breed. There are exams/tests that are called "HENGSTKÖRUNG".
So true. One can see from a mile away that is not a purebred Hanoverian. She's lying to herself thinking we'd believe in her wishful thinking, too.
I didn't even know Socks was part Hanoverian and i own one myself😐
@@kaidenreading7152not really. Look at the pure Hanoverian horses with pink verband papers that are evented at top level. They are more TB than warmblood in some cases.
Hanoverian horses are a type not a breed. As long as the parents are both licensed or approved into the stud book any approved blood can be added. Stallions in particular are often approved in many stud books and countries, from German warmblood stud books, Dutch, Swedish etc, as well as TB and Arab.
The only true purebred warmblood stud book is Trakehner with only Trakehner, Arab and TB blood alllowed.
I’m so glad you address Sox, he needs to be addressed. His owner is so irresponsible and she should definitely have him either gelded or trained.
He's a crossbreed with no genetic testing... he should 150% be gelded.
@@RaleighLinkyes ❤
@@RaleighLink ahhhhhhh you reapplied I love your vids! I sent you the torobread qhorse drawing. It’s a joke to when you read the Craigslist listing of Torobread
@FrenchFrog-mk6uw I remember that video
Both. Both is good. Get him gelded and trained.
I've been seeing videos of that stallion for ages. What really bothers me is that his owners use him as an example of what a stallion should act like... like, no.
When Rising Star was diagnosed with Wobbler, the first thing (once vets verified it could be done safely) that Yvonne did, was cry, and then gelded him. Beautiful and well bred as he is, he cannot breed, and CANNOT be acting like a stud when he was so, well, wobbly. He has good days and bad days, and there will come a day that he will need to be put down, but for now he is safe to lunge and be in the fields. He is happy, and is doing ok. It's sad that his line ends, but better that everyone is safe.
@@bcgrote what breed is Rising Star? Thank you
@@josephinestecak4945he is KWPN... the Channel is called Friesan Horses
amazing example
@bcgrote was that the chestnut foal that was adopted by a freisian mama?
No way I’m finding this out through you. Just found out about uniek 😢
For me it’s the fact that she doesn’t let him socialize with any other horses other than passing by. She’s said in multiple videos things like “he has to play with me in the field bc I’m the only socialization he gets” as if that’s a good thing. He probably does need better training, but I also think a big part of his issues source from his needs not being met.
The only social interaction he gets is being faced with mares and getting him riled up for views and then dragging him off. That must be frustrating for a stallion
Cruel & aggravating to the animal
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Louder, let’s address this!!!
Many people underestimate how important this is. Socializing and living with other horses is a basic need for a horse. Keeping horses alone is literally illegal in many countries in Europe.
Absolutely!
Most warmbloods are a mixture of “breeds” these days, as there is a lot of cross registration among the studbooks. But those books do have standards for licensing and she’s clearly not meeting them. And that kind of behavior is not desirable in any breed.
Good to hear.
This focus on "purebloods" is not a good thing, but standards for breeding and genetic testing are.
Any stallion who is let down while you’re leading him and is nickering, has a fool on the end of the lead rope. His behavior of charging and pawing is NOT playing and he should have been punished for it never have been allowed to continue. Punishment is quick and simple not any kind of physical punishment, I make my stud back up this shows him that I control his back end, his motor. Sox is not the good horse she wants less than knowledgeable people to think he is.
That depends of their studbook, for example friesian studbook is really hard and strong, but KWPN has many diferent breeds in it.
No horse should be acting like that. Period whether it's a stallion or mare or gelding
The UK doesn't really have genetic issues like America does tbh, except the imported ones but they are tested
I owned a rescue stallion (Only reason he was kept intact was because he made amazing cattle horses, Where I live it's pure cattle. He's tested). He was beaten & was very aggressive when I got him yet he behaves better than Sox. It's not hard to correct. He was fine to walk by mares, Hell I even rode him in a rope halter next to mares. He acted like a gelding, He's best friends with my other gelding, Was paddocked with other geldings all the time. He got gelded afew months ago as he wasn't adding anything to the gene pool, Which is what Sox's owner should do!
Oh my God this stallion’s owner pisses me off. He has HORRIFIC manners. Walking away while Tonya tries to mount him, dragging her around and rearing up while she’s leading him. If any of my equines pulled this behavior, they’d be disciplined (not physically). And the rearing and striking is EXTREMELY dangerous. It’s one thing if he’s out in the field playing, but him behaving like what while Tonya’s leading him is NOT okay. And because of her thinking his behavior is “normal” when it’s not, it encourages Sox to continue acting like that. And I am so sick and tired of people normalizing stallions behaving this way. You know how in middle school when a boy is mean to you and you go tell a teacher or parent only for them to reply with, “Oh boys will be boys”? It’s the EXACT same narrative with stallions. “oH sTaLLiOnS wiLL bE sTaLLiONs” like NO! There are so many well behaved stallions on the internet and even I’ve met a ton of well behaved studs in my life. Even young ones who were 2 years old. If Tonya continues to allow Sox to behave this way (which she most likely will), he might end up injuring or even KILLING her, somebody else or even another horse. So she needs to either geld him or sell him to a responsible trainer who will fix his behavior. It isn’t “cute” or “quirky”, it’s DANGEROUS.
If you actually took the time to analyze his behavior, you’d noticed that he’s giving off a lot of stress signs and what he’s doing is something called mock fighting. This is quite common in stallions. In one of the videos you showed, he started yawning frequently as soon as she started approaching the gate, which in this case is a sign of stress, his owner constantly puts him on high alert. This is not a horse that needs to learn manners this is a horse that needs to have the past 20 years of anxiety looked at and fixed. And his owner needs to do a better job at learning horse behavior to get down to the root of this issue because this isn’t OK.
She has said in videos that she winds him up with a sound to get him to react. She purposefully does this to him
Yes this
The issue isn't his behavior which can be addressed. The issue is irresponsible breeding. Crossbreed untested horses should never be kept as stallions. Regardless of their behavior. There's no way to diagnose his behavior via short video clips given that he could have legitimate neurological problems (like what Tanya says). Nevertheless, yes, his owner is clueless, but he should be gelded period, then address the behavior.
@@BuinidhMoChridheDoAlbanot only that i've seen plenty of videos of her yanking on sox's halter. in one of which he begins to rear on her because of it.
THIS! im so tired of people calling him disrespectful. HORSES CANNOT BE DISRESPECTFUL, ITS LITTERLY A WORD WE HUMEN CREATED.
I’ve honestly been waiting for this one. The way she handles him is irresponsible and disrespectful to him.
Disrespect to HIM? What? No, he has zero manners! She never trained him basic manners.
@ that’s what I mean. I was just saying it’s disrespectful to put him on the internet showing him being disrespectful, giving him a bad wrap. When in reality, all his behaviors could be corrected, and she could put him on the internet as being a well behaved stallion. It makes sense to me but it’s hard to explain sorry 😅
@@wioiexactly - SHE never taught him manners, it’s her fault he’s horribly behaved and it is ‘disrespectful’ to him, he needs to be able to live a normal life. he needs training, he’s 20 years old!! but because she’s an awful person who won’t train her horse bc he’s “just acting like a normal stallion” which makes HIM seem disrespectful but he isn’t - he was taught that what he does is okay. He THINKS that what he does is how he’s SUPPOSED to act.
I had a mini that took FOREVER to drop both balls, and he was the worst for that whole time. I was like, "How do people deal with this with full-sized horses?" Dang. He finally got the snip this past fall, and the change was almost immediate. He is living his best life now, able to make friends instead of having to live alone, lots easier to work with and handle, no more biting, etc. I don't see the appeal of owning a stallion tbh. It's not worth it in my experience.
Working at a mini horse stud, I totally agree. We have a lot of great stallions, and one bullish one who was imported and badly handled initially. Thankfully, his offspring are great. I hear ya, they can b a handful even when hip high!
Sox and another horse Wicket are well known on TikTok for all the wrong reasons they’re literally known as the worst stallions on TikTok it’s crazy💀it paints such a bad picture/model for new horse owners or younger viewers! So glad there are people like you to speak out and make sure people know this is not okay and shouldn’t be acceptable behavior! 👑
I wonder why the owner doesn't care. You would think people want the best for their horse. Or is it because her bad stallion gives attention and views, type of rage content. Absolutely disgusting to use a poor animal for that.
One of my friends went to a show a few years ago. There was a stallion there, and a skinny, 5'8" late teen boy who was working with the stud. He went to feed the horse, and the stud bit him in the chest, broke 8-10 of his ribs, and he couldn't breathe for a couple minutes. The poor boy. Misbehaving horses with poor ground manners is my biggest pet peeves. Not the horses' fault, it's mostly a lack of effort from the owner. It takes a few minutes a day to solve issues, an hour of ground work for more severe cases.
The only influencer stallion owner I will say who is respectful (from what we can see) would be Matt Harnacke and his stallions. He shows what can be done with stallions when properly trained.
I’d look into vs Code red, he’s a gorgeous quarter horse stallion who is owned by an influencer and he seems pretty well behaved and respectful
@@Flower-Power-828yea but her family’s entire business is a breeder. she means liek people who promote themselves as stallion owners❤
@@Flower-Power-828 the only issue I have with Katie is she actively does things she knows will cause problems, like the way she goes about weaning could be better.
As for Matt....he's ok I don't have any big problems with him, I just like his boyfriend Better, he seems to have a more gentle approach than Matt.
There are many more stallion owners who trained their stallions very well, like jolanda adelaar her murgese GP stallion, maureen may with wybren, and i think Jesse can educate better a stallion as matt. And there are many more normal stallions and stallion trainers.😊
Matt is an excellent equestrian & rides the most well mannered, stunning & willing horses, stallions included.
A 20 year old horse acting like that has already 100% injured someone. I suspect it's been covered up.
As someone with special needs, his owner referring to this untrained and misbehaving horse as having special really rubs me the wrong way.
Not to mention, even if you're charitable with the "special needs" crap, why would you breed a "special needs" horse to begin with? It's clear he cannot be accepted in the regular stud book, so she goes to the cross-breed registry--AND we can see he hasn't been genetically tested. So how does she (or prospective mare owners) know what this horse is likely to pass on to his offspring? I mean, major face-palm!
so happy you're finally talking about this stuff, these videos have been pissing me off so bad
Every single stallion at my barn can stand in the crossties next to a mare without even looking at them. There’s clearly something wrong with Sox’s relationship with his owner.
breeding horses like sox is like making soup with all the wrong ingredients, trying it, hating it and then making 50 more batches to sell to people.
Very miss handled, poor horse. Also why is she taking it to unaffiliated shows? This is a danger to junior riders and disabled riders etc that would be at these low level comps! Those who might not know but in the uk stallions should have tail ribbon or stallion badge to warn other competitors to keep a safe distance whilst competing.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS! I’m so tired of seeing this horse be passed off as well behaved but just “quirky”
Our gaited paint stallion NEVER EVER acted like that on lead, or close to people , at all. Prancing in the pasture, showing off his natural floating gaits, was his show off focus. He was a true gentleman, with the lady horses too.
My TB stallion ManOPeace (deceased now but website left up in memoriam--Google for a handsome hunk!)) was so sweet. Very loving to his mares (TBs cannot be bred artificially, it's the rules). As a vet who has a lot of elder patients, older males even if previously gelded can get aggressive due to loss of control of adrenal testosterone levels. Both geldings and intact horses often respond favorably to orally used cyproheptadine. Have been using it for decades. It is NOT a tranquilizer. It treats PPID (Cushings) the underlying issue. If this is an issue gelding may not help much, as excess T is from adrenal production.
BTW at his age PPID horses lose muscle mass (like aging human athletes). Long before they get all hairy. Treating PPID lets muscling return; exercise alone will not. PS I am all about limiting the number of stallions. Note mine was extraordinarily correct and well bred.
Two words: Backyard Breeder
Edit: Even being clueless/naive that’s the basis of what this is. It’s the same in the dog world. Breeding for yourself or others to make a profit, because you want to have more of them, doesn’t make it okay. It’s like claiming a puppy is AKC registered and health tested when it’s only UKC registered and has zero health testing. And then they claim they don’t know the difference. Ignorance doesn’t make it okay. Nor does it change the fact of what it is.
Can we also talk about how she's basically borderline torturing this horse that can't control himself prancing back and forth in front of mares in heath to be like "see he's good guys he's okay!!!!!"
People that don't understand how to own a stallion, should NOT own a stallion. It's so easy to get them gelded and significantly lessens the risk of problems with the horse.
Unfortunately, stallions who are gelded later in life often still show stallion behaviors. And it's more difficult to put them under for the gelding procedure.
@sophvic my gelding was welded late and he shows behaviors. He's also 16. 1 i hope the owner never bred him he's a saddlebred Tennessee Walker cross. Feel bad for him his conformation is terrible
Not having it tested for fragile foal syndrome is the biggest red flag here, as my boss says "it doesn't matter where it came from until you try to pass it down". The only horse we won't breed is one who we discovered to have an eating disorder.
why would you get on a horse which clearly doesnt want you to get on?? he was spinning around like crazy
To say behavioral issues as "special needs" is actually WILD. She should have just said the R slur instead holy shit. Wow. Just wow. I love how you can tell how ableist, sexist, etc. someone is by the way they talk about and treat their's and other people's horses. Truly wow.
That’s how I feel about when people breed dogs when we don’t need more puppies out there and they just wanna breed a dog for the sake of reading a dog. It drives me crazy. Or you have people that just wanna breed a dog just for the sake of passing on the dogs, Jeannes just for the sake of it. It drives me crazy. Just get your animals spayed and neutered. It’s not that hard.
Thank you so much for making a vid on Sox the stallion!! I personally didn’t know too much about him/his irresponsible crap owner, just knew that it was a big issue. Also, the name “sausage” for a foal? That’s just hilarious and a little dumb LOL
She’s no different than the people who buy big fighting breed dogs and don’t or train or socialize. The truth is they get off on having a dangerous animal. It makes them feel special and powerful. You can tell by how they smile when the animals are going off. They don’t care about anyone else they put in danger.
Having a horse that comes at you with their ears flat down is so scary when you don’t know what you’re doing.
Look, I’m no professional horse breeder, and I don’t aspire to be, I’d rather be a trainer. I currently own and work with my own mare, who turns 5 this year. The contrast between how my FIVE YEAR OLD acts on a leadline compared to Sox, who is NINETEEN is crazy to me. My mare is perfectly fine with people leading her, doesn’t try to bite or deliberately kick out at people, I can trot her in hand with very little difficulty. Sox is just straight up dangerous, and I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near him. I understand he’s a stallion, and naturally stallions act differently than mares, but it’s still crazy to me.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t certain personality traits be passed on through breeding? I might be wrong, I probably am.
Lot of animal behavior is nurture, not nature, but temperments 100% can be genetic to some degree. Like with how lab dogs can be chill, or kind of hyper/mildly insane.
My whole 8 MONTH OLD acts better than Sox!
Disposition is definitely genetically related but sometimes the mare sets a poor example if she has been poorly handled. All of Manny's MANY children, of MANY breeds, wer borne cuddle bugs EXCEPT the two, one a colt, one a filly, raised by very aggressive mothers. These needed specific extra education and were never going to be amateur horses. Luckily they did not go to amateur owners!
girl thankyou for educating us on sox, i had seen videos of him on tiktok before and had no idea of any of this which is CRAZY
The only horse I’ve seen with teeth similar to that is a crib biter/ wind sucker
From memory she mentioned he is a cribber hence the teeth
Ah, yes stallion owners the loveliest people on the planet who love to say misbehavior is just them being "quicky"
You know that there is no such thing as a "purebred Hannoverian" right? It is a mostly open studbook. For example my mare is hannoverian, her father ist westfalian and her mother is rheinländer. Her foal from an ZfdP stallion is now registered with the DSP. Most of the german wormblood breeding is open studbook (Trakhener is the most famous exception and even they allow arabian and english thoroughbred and Angloarabians).
I agree with you, that stallions should be gelded if they are not fit for breeding or are getting too dangerous, but the breeding of Wormbloods in Germany was a bit mispresented by you.
Greetings from Germany
PS: I found a full sister (Episode DE431311320203) she is registered in the Hannoveraner Verband and had at least 5 also registered foals between 2008 and 2015.
Calling out Sox's pedigree for being "a mix of warmbloods" isn't a fair call out. Pretty much all of the European stud books are the same bloodlines with different regional registries and slightly different performance standards they're looking for, and every single non-Hann parent of a Hann-registered foal you see there was approved by the Hanoverian stud book. Genetically they're all the same breed. As far as European warmbloods go, the exception is Trakehners, which are a closed book. They bring in a performance tested selection of Arab/TB/Anglo-Arab for bloodline diversity and that's it. I'm not saying Sox is well bred or that he should be breeding, but the presence of Holsteiner and Selle Francais in the pedigree is perfectly normal. Actually it would be unusual to see a German-bred show jumper that didn't dip into Holsteiner, honestly.
I was about to comment this myself. Warmblood breeds are characterized by having an open studbook. The Hanoverian breed is a bit more strict with their requirements, but can be crossed with other warmblood breeds as long as they meet the inspection requirements. Foals inspected at a year or younger will be branded with the Hanoverian brand and birth year.
Based on Sox's videos and description though, I highly doubt he's passed any inspections, much less a stallion inspection. Hanoverian stallions are required to have placed in the top three at a high level, licensed show, such as one by USEF, FEI, etc. if inspected after the age of 5+, and stallions inspected younger are required to fulfill those same performance requirements within a set period of time. They are ridden by a guest rider and rated on confirmation, movement, temperament, and rideability.
this situation calls for a fair callout
Stallions and inexperienced breeders are a ticking time bomb. Stallions that show aggressive behavior will sooner or later do damage if the problem is not addressed and resolved. You only have to watch Buck Brannaman, the movie when he comes across that woman who had goodness knows how many Stallions but brought along her probably most dangerous horse. It was predatory and was put down shortly after attacking one of Bucks helpers. So a grim reminder what can go wrong. Another perfectly beautiful horse ruined and euthanibecause of mismanagement and ignorance. Makes my blood boil it really does,
Finally u said it abt him😭😭 i kept saying,”put a yellow bow on him and also a big sign that says untrained stallion!”
Awesome video agreed! NOT EVERY Horse needs to be breed because they are special 100%
I think she commented in one of her videos that Sox cribbed severely earlier in his life and that is why his teeth are so worn. Either way, not a trait to be passing on.
Oh my goodness, he is on my fyp ALL THE TIME and I was wondering why no one was making videos calling her out... THANK YOU.
Same!! I am subjected to these videos against my will😂 I don't own horses and I can tell there's serious behavioral issues.
That horse is shaped weird. My friends stallion is so well behaved. My daughter walks him and sometimes does ground work. ( he isn’t rideable for health reasons, I don’t know exactly why).
As a professional in the industry for 40+ years, it appears that many of these influencers who over emphasize 'stallion" in their byline, are acting through ego alone. Ego does not make a good horse, most often it has the opposite effect. The most many of these owners will produce, if active in the breeding market, are horses who will live a life of questionable quality, and an increase in numbers of those who risk ending up in the slaughter pipeline.
Teeth in front look like they have been damaged and/or a BAD cribber.
Most European Warmblood Breeds are not pure breeds, just because they mix them to get fresh blood in the old lines. My one mare is registered Holstein breed, in her Pedigree I find Holstein, Thoroughbreeds, Anglo Arabian, and Anglo Norman horses. My Anglo Arabian mare is a pure breed, only Arabian and Thoroughbreeds are in her Pedigree. My Sister has a Deutsches Sportpferd Mare, this horse is a loveley Mix of Brandenburger, Hannoveranian, Oldenburger, Westfale, and Holstein. Still this Mare is a Deutsches Sportpferd registerd Horse with registrated papers. There are Just very few European Warmblood Breeds still pure, Like the Trakehner, where only Trakehner, Thoroughbreeds and Arabians are allowed. Every other Warmblood Breed in todays time ist a loveley Mix of different Breeds. And if your stallion is not good enough to be registerd at Hannover, you just take him to a different Association and get him registerd there. In todays time absolutely nornal in Germany. Not good enough for Hannover, walk to Oldenburg oder AES or deutsches Reitpferd. Of course the behavior of Sox and his owner talking it down is off the question. No Horse should behave like him and putting people and other horses in danger.
There a some really old Hanoveranian blood in this stallion and some AngloArabian, some old Oldenburg to if you look at his teeth and ancestors you can tell pretty much about this horse. A lot of warmblood blood lines are pretty inbreed with a lot of behaviors issues because of bad breeding. I have worked most of my time with really expensiv but absolutely insane Hanoveranian, Holstein and Alt Oldenburger horses that are a danger for every human around. If you want more Google about the W - blood line "Wolkentanz". Every time a W Foal is born someone flipped a coin if it's a crazy or nice horse. Sry for the bad Englisch Greetings from Germany
His sire is known for producing level headed and athletic horses. Something went wrong with this horse down the line in his handling. Never heard that about the W line, had a few Weltmeyer/Werther horses that were fabulous.
He is a horse. He is not a poodle. His “quirky” personality could kill someone one day.
My aunt had this gorgeous Gypsy vanner stallion and he was always super well behaved. He was the absolute sweetest thing, was kept perfectly fine around mares, and was even a perfect gentlemen with people with no experience (ahem me lol). He’s always what comes to mind when I think of a stallion and it’s so weird seeing people claim that all stallions are wild??
Im so glad you addressed sox. He has needed to be addressed for a long time. His owner is so irresponsible and she should definitely have him gelded or trained, sox is just being a normal untrained stallion its not his fault that he is like that its her fault she hasn’t trained him at all not even groundwork which is a very important part for horses
People have been addressing it in the owners own comments for so long and she's just in la la land about it and thinks we all have no idea what we are talking about
YESSSS RALEIGH!!!!!!! FINALLY YOU COVERED SOX!!!!! I SENT HIM TO YOU SOOOOOOOO MANY TIMES🙈❤ SO MUCH LOVE TO YOU AND LINK!!!!!!! Myself and THOUSANDS of others have told her "A stallion should NOT act that way" I literally searched your channel yesterday to see if you covered him yet on your channel
As far as the "crossbred" statement...a warmblood is a warmblood. Belgian horses dominates the showjumping scene and when you check their bloodlines, they're all a mix...it's the staple and has upped the showjumping standards. (I'm talking about jumpers since that's the industry I know best). Most people don't really give a shit about "purebred warmbloods" anymore. Side note: some foal auctions might care about which registry their foals are in, however, they don't care if it's "crossbred" (look at the Zangersheide Quality Auction). I've known breeders to decide which registry purely based off of what auction they want to get their foals in to. And looking at Sox's pedigree, both his parents are Hannoverian, his grandfather is a Holsteiner, no one is gonna look twice at that.
Thank you! This does not get talked about enough! Most horses are not stud quality even if they have amazing bloodlines. There’s a lot of factors that go into keeping a horse a stallion let alone breeding it. I’ve done a lot of research on this topic specifically because I have a colt that is extremely well mannered, good brain, extremely nice conformation, has potential to be excellent in what I plan to do with him but even I’m struggling with knowing if he’s gonna turn out to be stud quality so I’m working closely with my vet while he grows, keeping his manners in check, taking him places to see how he handles himself etc. he’s only a 2 year old so i haven’t made my decision yet. But even if he gets left a stallion if he doesn’t prove himself beyond his parents he will be gelded and never bred. And I think people don’t put enough time to consider everything when it comes to stallions. Even I’ve learned a lot researching. But regardless I didn’t buy my colt to breed but if he proves himself in all the right ways he has potential to make the breed better and that is what should be the goal of breeding
Thank you so much for addressing this i have been waiting for you to do so
Thank you for addressing this horse. Regardless stallion or not, no horse should behave this way around people or other horses. Coming from a stallion owner 🙋🏼♀️
I agree
Hi Raleigh.
Personally, stallions are another level. Hormones. Training. Breeding. Solid genetics we hope. Temperment.
Why on earth would I deal with an unpredictable mess?
I wouldn't.
Been in horse advocacy too long. ❤
I can't imagine being in close proximity to Sox. I see him acting like that and my animal brain wants to flee to high ground.
I was lucky enough years ago to attend Meredith Manor International Equestrian Center, we literally received a truckload of young stallions and fillies for the training students to work with. All of them were better behaved than sox as untrained 2 year old babies with no knowledge of correct behavior, they were all lovely young animals. There is no excuse for allowing that behavior to continue, basic manners aren't that hard to teach. One of the horses I worked with was an adult mustang, taken from the wild age 7, she had better manners than sox as well.
What's worse is that by 4 years old he was passed off by 4 different trainers who had to give up on him before she got her hands on him. So even at 4 he shouldn't have been a stallion, so since 4 until now he's been allowed to do what he wants when he wants and just because he's had a "career" means in her mind that he's good enough to stay a stallion
so happy more ppl are talking about him, she holds her "platform" as educational, that THIS is how a stallion should behave and look. Like.. no? she pisses me off
More like " how they shouldn't act "
a horse at my barn has laryngeal hemiplegia, he’s one of the sweetest horses i’ve ever met. he was gelded as a colt even though he had a promising career. any horse acting like sox should NOT be around people. especially kids, which he is in multiple videos.
Hi Raleigh, thank you soooo much for speaking on this! I love your channel 🫶🏽🫶🏽
I just watched Kat’s kreatures video on sox, so happy you’re covering him as well!
The teeth thing is anxiety in the barn. The horse is grinding his teeth on the metal in his stall, up and down up and down. We have two horses who used to do this before, but luckily we got to change the routines in a way fit those horses and they have both stopped. I don’t think sox look underweight but he has no muscles in the right spaces… and this is just signs that he ain’t going in terrain. I agree with you that shes actually an ok rider but something lacks in her training somewhere, maybe wrong feed. Also, I have been around so many stallions and they all behave so well. I don’t understand what people do for this misbehaving. Like they are stallions and are different from eachother but i have nevver seen a stallion always like this… also last thing i do to think the solution is always just to make them geldings, some horses can get worse… like more flighty, shaky and all that, and i have experienced that several times. In sox case he has been a stallion for so long and the behaviour sits in his body. He might be better off in another horsebarn with more controled environment. And a different handler who knows how to handle those outbursts.
“just a polite hello to another horse”
**Aggresively jumps to the side**
I was waiting for this one. I cant stand people who dont listen the the vast majority that something is wrong. Sox is clearly a dangerous horse and I can't believe she doesnt see that 😭
Always appreciate how you handle these topics with education and nuance
This is just how those show jumping horses (also dressage and other sport horses, generally in german sport breeds) are bred now- the horse is registered as belonging to one breed, and in the pedigree, there are lots of different sport breeds...
Just like humans when they get the DNA test.
The fact she's so delusional about the behavior and completely oblivious as to the danger she is in, is jaw dropping......and not in a good way....
I saw one video of this and told her this horse is going to end up in a dog food can. She gave me a frowny face. I have a mare with personality. I put her through a parade with no drugs (drug lady didn't show up) and she put up with the whole thing. Once we were back to the trailer and the saddle came off, *that's* when she threw a tantum. And I let her do it. Because she did the thing I asked her to do and once we were finished, that's when she let me know how she felt about it.
Agree with ALL of this. It also strikes me once again how, though I know it's more one point of many in this, it's amazing how easily people dismiss a stallion's bad behavior as, "oh he's just a stallion and quirky, feelin' his oats - hehehe!" and then there's literally been so many times a mare will act out because she's in pain and the initial reaction/assumption will be to dismiss it as, "UGH, mares - so hormonal and erratic!!" - . - Just like the Barbie movie points out, our society's sexism seemingly knows no bounds...
One thing I am curious on this take though is that research shows gelding a horse after 5 doesn’t really change their behavior. There’s also the increased risks of the procedure as they age. So I don’t think gelding him is the right answer since he’s 19. Has she ever said how old he was when she got him?
He was 4 when she purchased him.
I do think he should be gelded if possible, simply so she can't breed him anymore, but I doubt it'll help his behavioural issues at all.
The owner has been enabling the behaviour all this time, so I get the feeling he'd be acting like a nightmare even if he had been gelded at 4 years old.
@@sophvic He’s been collected so gelded or not she still has frozen swimmers available.
Glad to see this video also glad I’m not the only one who thought he looked underweight and just not the best conformation.
I thought all this time he was a Thoroughbred due to his lanky ass weedy conformation… ooops
I saw just 1 video of hers where she was walking him and had the lead rope wrapped around her left hand🤦🏻♀️ After realizing she’s genuinely marketing herself as a professional, I knew something wasn’t right! I’m sad to be proven correct.
One of my best friends needed pins in her hand after doing this. Also the reason lunge lines with end loops to hold are so hazardous. Get one with a flat circular rubber/leather pad end to grab; costs a bit more, but less than ER.
@ it was one of the first things I learned as a kid before I was even allowed to get on a horse! I’m always amazed when equestrians don’t know those simple handling rules
By the way, you did a really good job researching this video I like how much effort was put into looking into this person and I kind of wish that you would do this for most all of your other videos where you just look at one video and judge them just by that one video when they’re actually horrible people and people think that they’re good people when they’re not, but you did a very good job on this one
She sounds like a parent of a very spoiled, misbehaved, entitled child when she says he's "quirky and has special needs", and it's pure ridiculousness and nothing but her not knowing how to train and control her stallion. She's beyond irresponsible not doing genetic testing on a crossbred horse of all things and clearly tries to hide facts about him to future breeding prospects. And to put all this out on the internet is just another rung in the irresponsibility ladder.
So glad to see your putting truth to the awareness of this mess Raleigh.
I hate seeing her blatant ignorance to his bad behaviour, but oh, no, she knows best because she’s owned him for so and so years and he had a bad up bringing so of course everyone is wrong and she’s right! Disgusting.
YESSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!
This horse has been all over my “fyp” (definitely not for me🤦♀️… don’t know why it’s on my fyp in the first place) and I’m so glad somebody is finally telling the truth about him.
You always tell the truth, and you have been such a huge inspiration.
I was not too sure about my career path, but you have convinced me with your videos that horses are my passion. I’ve been watching your videos since the start of my riding career. (I’ve been riding horses for a decade now) I am now going into equine vet school in a couple years and I will help horses for the rest of my life.
Thank you for being amazing Raleigh! Hopefully Sox gets the right training and treatment for his future well being. Have a great day! 😁❤️
I don't understand how people can play around with owning/breeding horses. One well placed kick can kill you, not to mention the cost. It shouldn't be something people go into so blithely.
I never had an opinion of this channel until you brought it up, I have a completely different look and perspective on this topic - Thank you :D
Thank you a lot for this video Raleigh! I saw some videos of Sox on my fyp, and i was always confused due to what the comments said and what Tania said, so again thank you very much for claryfying!❤
I’m so glad someone is talking about Sox! I don’t know much about horses but I know enough to tell she is doing a lot of things wrong with that horse. He needs to be gelded and trained properly.
I’ve been watching your content for years now and I’ve learned SOO much, thank you for speaking up for those who can’t ❤
I used to work in a reining training barn as a stall cleaner and we had to remove some of the stallions from their stalls to clean them and some of them had no right to still be a stallion. I have a lot more experience with horses than some of the other stall cleaners I worked with so it was easier for me to handle them and deal with their behaviors. But there were a few stallions that I was the only stall cleaner that did their stalls because of how they acted. It was terrible and I have no idea why so many of them are kept in tact.
She's not going to think it's cute when he tries to mount her!! Eventually, her luck will run out. Very sad.
What absolutely pisses me off the most about this horse an owner
1- stallions should be EXEMPLARY and hes meh at best
2- hes capped competitively at 1.30...theres plenty of better stallions for the same stud fee
3- he as 2 bd points. Both tests under 70%
4- she admits he was difficult to back. THAT ALONE says he shouldn't be passing his genetics
5- he has no manners in the breeding shed. There is no way the handlers can clean his 🍆 so his "stuff" wont be sanitary
6- shes going around saying this is absolutely normal behaviour? When it absolutely isnt. Balls or no balls no horse should act like that
And yes I have bred my own mare..she's healthy, well bred, ticks all the good broodmare boxes and I spent A YEAR choosing ONE STALLION for ONE FOAL and I got a beautiful buckskin tb out of it who is well mannered and clean and good quality
He could be capped at 1.30 because she chose not to show him higher. Campaigning a horse at that level gets pretty expensive. So you bred your horse for color?
@HonestEQ he wasn't even winning at that height. Even the 1.60 at home you can tell he can't get around a course that height as he drags his weak back end over it
Also nope. It was only 50/50 chance but I prefered that stallion in black and white anyways. I fell in love with his demeanour and temperament and he wasn't related to my mate bar One single stallion six generations back. Colour was just an added bonus and I would have had a lovely nice quality TB foal even if she came out bay
@ Where have you found his competition records? Never seen any videos of him attempting 1.60. His sire is a favorite of mine. I don’t think Sox should be standing at stud but he could’ve maxed out for reasons unknown to us randos on the internet. I’ve never seen any colored TB breeders going for quality and performance record, only colors.
@HonestEQ he's not cot a competition record for showjumping, she's only ever done unaffiliated. Dressage record is all on BD, did novice but never placed.
He's not spectacular and shouldn't have his nuts. There's a home video of 1.60 but he's dragging himself over behind.
I'm not a big colour tb breeder. I bred one for me. And I chose a stallion to match my mare. Just happened to be the Palomino. If I wanted colour I would have picked the cremello tb but I didn't like him and he wouldn't have done my horse any favours. And I don't like crowns ace of pearl or I would have used him.
Any other TB public isn't weatherbys registered or is insanely expensive because of lines...or too closely related to my mare
I also cannot stand the fired up disrespectful Stallions being broadcast in social media. It was bad enough that backyard breeders ruined dog breeds, now they are ruining Horses as well.
Literally uses his negative behavior and the fact that he’s a stud to get views… it blows my mind that people air their bad behavior. 🤦
And ignorance
Raleigh you are so refreshing! You always have the horses best interest but also appreciate other horse owners efforts❤️ keep it up
I just unsubbed from Homestead Horsemanship. I am not a rider or someone who knows about horses. I watch horse videos as I miss my late father, who was a horse whisperer till he died aged 99. I feel close to him, and I learn. It dawned on me that HH was really more about horses as commodities. Making money from breeding and selling makes me sick, quite frankly. Horses are sentient beings, but so often they are enslaved, worked to the bone, discarded like rubbish, sent to slaughter if they are 'nasty', the wrong colour, not fast enough, whatever. I can't condone that done to an animal who can sense our heartbeat and wants to bond with us, given the chance. I'm so glad I trusted my gut.Thank you, Raleigh, for these videos. You are saving lives. From Australia.
I unsubbed from HH too. I think they are a nice family and he does seem to be a decent horse trainer. But when they bought a pony stallion and donkeys and are now breeding ponies too, I had to stop watching. Also I didn’t like how thin he keeps some of his horses. I always feel like his stallion Oliver is too thin.
@JulieWoods-sn3ud Oliver has a lot of growing to do. He's just 3 years old...he starts them too young.
@@mollyragdollfan1917 Go back and review his videos.... Nattie the almost 2 year old has NOT been bred , get your facts first before you make such a false statement about someone
I did so a while ago too. I occasionally check them if a video come up(but it's been a long time since now). There's nothing wrong with responsible horse breeding, where they health check, etc. What HH are doing, is not responsible breeding(like with the minis). I've also reacted to how they treat and train their horses, like the foal they forced to lay down because 'you have to teach him who's boss'.
@@elizabethp9238 then they should word it better. I will go and double check. If she's not bred yet she will be soon.