When Aero launched in 2007 with Windows Vista, it was notoriously demanding on GPUs. Many lower-end or older systems struggled to handle it smoothly, leading to complaints about performance. Now, with much more powerful hardware widely available, it might seem counterintuitive that Microsoft has shifted to a simpler, flatter design... I think the design trends are all about minimalism nowadays.
@@copiuum Not even, the effects are pretty much the same, in the same places, just worse looking. I mean, if my 2006 iMac can run Windows 7 no problem, surely Windows 10 would run on any GPU from the last 15 years? Performance issues in modern Windows come from the 200 bloatware programs and compatibility nonsense that runs at all times in the background, decimating performance on low end and old CPUs. And it is constantly doing something with your HDD, it's enough to bog down even a SATA SSD. It's such a terrible OS, even macOS runs way better on most PCs and that is really saying something.
@masterkamen371 its always on with phonelink, gamebar, global.rulesengine etc & microsoft compatibility telemetry , everytime I start it i have to load into task manager to kill that nonsense & cant even switch the task manager off.
@@copiuumsimple design should have better performance, but in windows simple design for some reason means worse performance. I have a such old laptop and I didn't see any difference in terms of performance between aero enabled or disabled.
That 7960x is not eco friendly, so I'll pass.. :) Fun fact: this 14th Gen CPU + this Z790 motherboard can run Windows NT 4 from 1996 with multi-CPU support...
Me too! I actually recorded most of the footage three weeks ago but just couldn’t find the time to put it all together-life has a way of getting in the way... :) Right now, I’m battling a cold, and my voice is worse than usual, but I recorded the voice over anyway. Next I think it will be Windows 7.
I wish I had a Titan Pascal card to experiment with. Right now, they’re going for around $260-$300, so I’m not sure if it’s worth buying one just for a video-especially since I’d probably only make about $8 back...
Am I the only one here who was just blown away by the fact that window server 2008 is still actively maintained? I had no idea it still received security updates!
The good old days when the only bloatware was Solitaire and maybe a Weather Gadget. Simpler times, maybe because a few years before the US government accused Microsoft of illegally monopolizing the web browser market for Windows so they had to make Internet Explorer optional.
Yes it is and it worked for me on my ASRock Z790 PG Sonic Motherboard with a 12th Gen Core i7 CPU using the Original Install Disc and a PCI-E PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard Adapter Card and a VIA PCI-E USB 2.0 Controller Card Adapter like you used for this video and some of your other videos with a recommendation and no need for me to integrate anything!!! And also made a disc with all the unofficial drivers and updates and patches to copy them to the desktop!!!
Nice! Which PCI-E to PS/2 adapter did you use? These adapters are actually PCI-E to USB adapters. Most of them use the ASIX MCS9990 chip, which is a genuine PCI-E to USB 1.1/2.0 controller. Because the MCS9990 natively supports PCI-E, there's no need for a separate PCI-E to PCI bridge chip, unlike adapters that use a native PCI chip like the VIA6212. Many of these adapters also include a USB header, so you can connect a USB bracket or use the USB 2.0 cable from your case.
Fun fact: I rediscovered them by rewatching my own Vista video from a year ago. I believe I originally downloaded them from the MSFN forum. If you're interested, feel free to find me on Facebook (search for Omores), and I’ll share a .zip with you there.
@O_mores I don't have Facebook unfortunately but it is interesting that it was found on a MSFN forum. I'll try to do my research and maybe watch the other Vista video to find a few clues directing me to the drivers. Thanks for the offer though.
show us how to install Windows 7 on modern hardware platform laptops! i installed Windows 7 on intel gen-7 platform laptop ASUS GL503VS/S5AS (i7 7700HQ) everything went well, but i can't use the touchpad
Actually my next video will be about Windows 7 on this Intel 14th Gen hardware. Did you installed the "ASUS Precision TouchPad Driver Version V11.0.0.30 176.78 KB 2019/10/16 " ?
well... i tried installing that driver by running Install_PTP.bat as administrator, it didn't work, the touchpad device didn't appear in the device manager btw, the pnputil.exe isn't executable under Windows 7 64 bit thank you anyway
@@liliwinnt6 From what I've read online there is a general problem with the touchpad across many Asus models from this generation. There might be a hardware problem as well. Where do you look in the device manager? rog-forum.asus.com/t5/rog-strix-series/gl503vs-dh74-touchpad-issue/td-p/712577
i forgot to mention, it worked perfectly normal under Windows 10, it just not showing up under Windows 7 and, to answer your question, i looked at the following sections: Human Interface Devices Mice and other pointing devices Other devices
Absolutely! I don't have the 14th gen configuration anymore, it was just passing by, but I will try it on the 13th Gen config which is more or less the same thing...
I get that putting a sticker on a CD can affect balance, but the sticker is so light that it’s usually not a big issue. Some printed CDs can be just as unbalanced. Of course, at high speeds, the sticker could come loose or cause wobbling! So far it didn't happen.
@@O_mores It's like you responded to the question to agree with me. At high speeds it can come loose and create wobble which is enough to destroy discs and the drives. I've seen it. Saw it alot during the end of the Cd-Rom drives era when they were comonly 52x the speed or regular drives.
I wonder if this is possible on a Ryzen CPU? It probably is now that I think about it, but there wouldn't be much point to it, this is still extremely overkill for Vista-era software already
I don’t see why not. In fact, the CPU shouldn’t matter too much - the motherboard, particularly the ACPI revision, is more critical. The newest AMD CPU I have is a Ryzen 9 3900X, and I can confirm 100% that Windows Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit) works perfectly on an X470 motherboard. I’ve also installed Vista on a B450 motherboard with a 2023 BIOS update, and everything has been running smoothly so far.
980Ti is a badass, the highest scores in 3DMark 2001 SE are achieved with this GPU (overclocked). So you can't beat it with an RTX 4090 in Directx 7 rendering... For now I have only 2 x GTX 980 from Asus.
@@O_mores I have two identical MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti Gaming X, I bought them for SLI setup, with Windows Vista, but the SLI cables still didn't arrived 🤷🏼♂️. I already had built a system, for Windows XP/Vista/7 based on X58 Gigabyte board and Xeon CPU.
I’m planning to build a PC with an X58 motherboard-I miss those days! I was an early adopter of the Socket 1366 platform, running an i7-920 paired with a 40GB Intel SSD. I even had a sticker from Intel that said, 'My SSD rocks!' That said, I do remember being a bit disappointed with how overclocking worked on those motherboards. The transition from a 400MHz FSB to a 100MHz QPI felt like a step back in some ways.
I have old HP printer which latest drivers are Vista64. These drivers still works on Windows 11. Let's try installation of Windows 10/11 drivers on Vista64.😂
Printer drivers have always been unique when it comes to compatibility. Interestingly, the only drivers from Windows NT 4.0 (released in 1996) that are compatible with Windows 2000 are the printer drivers. Generally, though, drivers tend to be more forward-compatible than backward-compatible. For example, you’re more likely to use a Windows 7 driver on Windows 11 than a Windows 11 driver on Windows 7.
I've used also a GTX 980 on this configuration: 11:30 | That 7900GS is there for Windows 98 so I can play games like Half Life 2 with everything maxed out: ua-cam.com/video/ZBGmhiASz7U/v-deo.html
@O_mores sorry for not watching till the end but still gtx 980 is not modern hardware but i still apreciate for making this experiment to see how win vista runs on i5 14th gen and that very cool mobo still this was a experiment. Keep up the good work!
Just a coincidence I guess. In Spanish Vista means "view" so Windows Vista was named to evoke a "view" or "perspective" and the end result was a more visually appealing interface.
Fist of all, very good video. Even though I have no plan on doing anything like this. Well done for making an interesting video. I was actually one of those few people who really liked Vista (64). I had zero issues with programs, ie games, and even had better compatibility with some older games than I had with XP. Well, not the 16-bit ones, but that's not Vista's fault as my XP was always 32. I actually kept Vista 64 till about 2015 when I switched to Windows 8. Yes, not 10. That came back a couple of years ago after the release of Windows 11. Anyway, thanks for the video. Did you by any chance try to get the iGPU working with it?
My first experience with Windows Vista was on a late-2007 Asus laptop equipped with a T7250 CPU and a GeForce GO 7300. It came preinstalled and looked stunning, especially on the glossy display-my first time using one. However, Vista was too heavy for that hardware while using a high end CPU. The 14600KF lacks an integrated GPU (iGPU). While I haven’t tested it on Intel systems, I can confirm that AM5 iGPUs do not function in CSM mode.
I think you still can activate Windows Vista by phone. For XP - for which phone activation is no longer working - I know for sure that the algorithm was decoded and you can now activate by opening the activation phone screen - and input those numbers on a tiny app that will give the codes as if you have phoned to the MS servers. Basically nothing is patched to activate Windows by using this method.
I'm genuinely excited about a project like this! Though I could install Windows 98 every week and never get bored. :)) If you happen to have a link to the Rhapsody ISO just give me a sign...
@@O_moresThere are ISOs over on the internet archive, Big Brother does not let us post links here, but it should be easy to find. But I think you would appreciate the DR1 .vmdk that someone posted over there. The easiest way that I've found to install OPENSTEP 4.2 on a PC was to first install it in VirtualBox, get the generic colour display driver installed and then dd the HDD image onto a real IDE drive. The only reason I did that was NeXT's crazy floppy formats and you needed two of those (probably 2.88 MB) floppies to boot. Now, consider that I was installing this on a K6-2 PC with ISA, PCI and an ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP display adapter. Even this already lacked driver support for the GPU, because AGP drivers did not even exist as far as I can tell.
@@O_mores So I tried writing down my experiences with running NeXT on PC, but our Big Brother does not like longer comments. Would Facebook be a good place to contact you?
I think I can give it a try, but it depends on how similar these releases are to XP. If they share the same ACPI support, the installation will likely fail on this hardware. However, if MPS support is still present, I should be able to achieve multi-CPU functionality, as I successfully did with vanilla XP.
For a retro-modern multi-boot setup, Intel is the better choice. It offers superior performance in V86 mode, and its motherboards retain MPS (Multiprocessor Specification) support, so you can run even NT 3.51 with multiprocessor capabilities. I already did it: Also, AM5 high-end motherboards seem to lack PS/2 ports, although I may not have search enough for one... On the blue side... you can easily find Intel motherboards with Z790 and even the latest Z890 chipsets (for the new LGA 1851 socket) equipped with a PS/2 port and CSM support.
Ha, I thought you were asking yourself why Vista on this hardware! 😆 But yeah, if it’s about my voice, this is old news... This time let's blame it on the winter vibes - I'm cold, stuffed up, and probably sounding worse than usual!
I miss the Aero Glass interface so much. Damn Microsoft to hell for taking that away. 8, 8.1, 10, and 11 are just flat and ugly.
When Aero launched in 2007 with Windows Vista, it was notoriously demanding on GPUs. Many lower-end or older systems struggled to handle it smoothly, leading to complaints about performance. Now, with much more powerful hardware widely available, it might seem counterintuitive that Microsoft has shifted to a simpler, flatter design... I think the design trends are all about minimalism nowadays.
ugly (flat) is worse? simple design means better performance
@@copiuum Not even, the effects are pretty much the same, in the same places, just worse looking. I mean, if my 2006 iMac can run Windows 7 no problem, surely Windows 10 would run on any GPU from the last 15 years?
Performance issues in modern Windows come from the 200 bloatware programs and compatibility nonsense that runs at all times in the background, decimating performance on low end and old CPUs. And it is constantly doing something with your HDD, it's enough to bog down even a SATA SSD.
It's such a terrible OS, even macOS runs way better on most PCs and that is really saying something.
@masterkamen371 its always on with phonelink, gamebar, global.rulesengine etc & microsoft compatibility telemetry , everytime I start it i have to load into task manager to kill that nonsense & cant even switch the task manager off.
@@copiuumsimple design should have better performance, but in windows simple design for some reason means worse performance. I have a such old laptop and I didn't see any difference in terms of performance between aero enabled or disabled.
windows 2000 on threadripper 7960x😃
That 7960x is not eco friendly, so I'll pass.. :) Fun fact: this 14th Gen CPU + this Z790 motherboard can run Windows NT 4 from 1996 with multi-CPU support...
@@O_mores its expensive just say it
@@rayid8429 RDIMM uses a lot of power compared to mid-range desktops, also a bigger I.o die can use more power, but can also idle at like 1 watt
@@rayid8429not everybody can drop 1k on a cpu alone 😂
I was waiting for this video!
Me too! I actually recorded most of the footage three weeks ago but just couldn’t find the time to put it all together-life has a way of getting in the way... :) Right now, I’m battling a cold, and my voice is worse than usual, but I recorded the voice over anyway. Next I think it will be Windows 7.
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you can use pascal based titan with the modded nvidia drivers for vista
I wish I had a Titan Pascal card to experiment with. Right now, they’re going for around $260-$300, so I’m not sure if it’s worth buying one just for a video-especially since I’d probably only make about $8 back...
@@O_mores might only make 8 dollars back but you will also get a titan lol, and even so, can always resell it
I guess I will hunt for one anyway.
@O_mores I see the Titan XP going for about 160-200 USD on average on ebay
Am I the only one here who was just blown away by the fact that window server 2008 is still actively maintained? I had no idea it still received security updates!
Look at that when u installed a windows and didn't come with 200 apps that i won't use.
The good old days when the only bloatware was Solitaire and maybe a Weather Gadget. Simpler times, maybe because a few years before the US government accused Microsoft of illegally monopolizing the web browser market for Windows so they had to make Internet Explorer optional.
Yes it is and it worked for me on my ASRock Z790 PG Sonic Motherboard with a 12th Gen Core i7 CPU using the Original Install Disc and a PCI-E PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard Adapter Card and a VIA PCI-E USB 2.0 Controller Card Adapter like you used for this video and some of your other videos with a recommendation and no need for me to integrate anything!!! And also made a disc with all the unofficial drivers and updates and patches to copy them to the desktop!!!
Nice! Which PCI-E to PS/2 adapter did you use? These adapters are actually PCI-E to USB adapters. Most of them use the ASIX MCS9990 chip, which is a genuine PCI-E to USB 1.1/2.0 controller. Because the MCS9990 natively supports PCI-E, there's no need for a separate PCI-E to PCI bridge chip, unlike adapters that use a native PCI chip like the VIA6212. Many of these adapters also include a USB header, so you can connect a USB bracket or use the USB 2.0 cable from your case.
Im still use Aero DWM om w11 but still buggy. Not like w10 and w8/8.1.
Great video!
Thanks for the visit!
Question : where did you find the USB 3 drivers ?
Fun fact: I rediscovered them by rewatching my own Vista video from a year ago. I believe I originally downloaded them from the MSFN forum. If you're interested, feel free to find me on Facebook (search for Omores), and I’ll share a .zip with you there.
@O_mores I don't have Facebook unfortunately but it is interesting that it was found on a MSFN forum. I'll try to do my research and maybe watch the other Vista video to find a few clues directing me to the drivers. Thanks for the offer though.
show us how to install Windows 7 on modern hardware platform laptops!
i installed Windows 7 on intel gen-7 platform laptop ASUS GL503VS/S5AS (i7 7700HQ)
everything went well, but i can't use the touchpad
Actually my next video will be about Windows 7 on this Intel 14th Gen hardware. Did you installed the "ASUS Precision TouchPad Driver Version V11.0.0.30 176.78 KB 2019/10/16 " ?
i'll try since you've provided me with this title
actually it was even not detected as any "Unknown device" in the device manager
well... i tried installing that driver by running Install_PTP.bat as administrator, it didn't work, the touchpad device didn't appear in the device manager
btw, the pnputil.exe isn't executable under Windows 7 64 bit
thank you anyway
@@liliwinnt6 From what I've read online there is a general problem with the touchpad across many Asus models from this generation. There might be a hardware problem as well. Where do you look in the device manager? rog-forum.asus.com/t5/rog-strix-series/gl503vs-dh74-touchpad-issue/td-p/712577
i forgot to mention, it worked perfectly normal under Windows 10, it just not showing up under Windows 7
and, to answer your question, i looked at the following sections:
Human Interface Devices
Mice and other pointing devices
Other devices
Very nice video! I hope you would try install Windows 7 64bit and XP x64 SP2 with Intel Core i5-14400 or Core i3-14100. 😁
Absolutely! I don't have the 14th gen configuration anymore, it was just passing by, but I will try it on the 13th Gen config which is more or less the same thing...
It’s funny how when I was reinstalling vista on my laptop that came with it I had to use usb since the installation would fail if I used the dvd drive
Im probably in the minority that i really liked the look of Vista
the big bang theory sucks.
Great video
You sound kinda like Gru, did you steal any moons recently?
Putting a sticker on a cd is crazy.
I get that putting a sticker on a CD can affect balance, but the sticker is so light that it’s usually not a big issue. Some printed CDs can be just as unbalanced. Of course, at high speeds, the sticker could come loose or cause wobbling! So far it didn't happen.
@@O_mores It's like you responded to the question to agree with me. At high speeds it can come loose and create wobble which is enough to destroy discs and the drives. I've seen it. Saw it alot during the end of the Cd-Rom drives era when they were comonly 52x the speed or regular drives.
I wonder if this is possible on a Ryzen CPU?
It probably is now that I think about it, but there wouldn't be much point to it, this is still extremely overkill for Vista-era software already
I don’t see why not. In fact, the CPU shouldn’t matter too much - the motherboard, particularly the ACPI revision, is more critical. The newest AMD CPU I have is a Ryzen 9 3900X, and I can confirm 100% that Windows Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit) works perfectly on an X470 motherboard. I’ve also installed Vista on a B450 motherboard with a 2023 BIOS update, and everything has been running smoothly so far.
I had working Windows Vista 64 bit on Ryzen 5 2600, B450 chipset motherboard, and working USB 3.x drivers. For video I used GeForce GTX 980Ti.
980Ti is a badass, the highest scores in 3DMark 2001 SE are achieved with this GPU (overclocked). So you can't beat it with an RTX 4090 in Directx 7 rendering... For now I have only 2 x GTX 980 from Asus.
@@O_mores I have two identical MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti Gaming X, I bought them for SLI setup, with Windows Vista, but the SLI cables still didn't arrived 🤷🏼♂️. I already had built a system, for Windows XP/Vista/7 based on X58 Gigabyte board and Xeon CPU.
I’m planning to build a PC with an X58 motherboard-I miss those days! I was an early adopter of the Socket 1366 platform, running an i7-920 paired with a 40GB Intel SSD. I even had a sticker from Intel that said, 'My SSD rocks!' That said, I do remember being a bit disappointed with how overclocking worked on those motherboards. The transition from a 400MHz FSB to a 100MHz QPI felt like a step back in some ways.
I have old HP printer which latest drivers are Vista64. These drivers still works on Windows 11. Let's try installation of Windows 10/11 drivers on Vista64.😂
Printer drivers have always been unique when it comes to compatibility. Interestingly, the only drivers from Windows NT 4.0 (released in 1996) that are compatible with Windows 2000 are the printer drivers. Generally, though, drivers tend to be more forward-compatible than backward-compatible. For example, you’re more likely to use a Windows 7 driver on Windows 11 than a Windows 11 driver on Windows 7.
That geforce 7900 gs doesent count i guess
I've used also a GTX 980 on this configuration: 11:30 | That 7900GS is there for Windows 98 so I can play games like Half Life 2 with everything maxed out: ua-cam.com/video/ZBGmhiASz7U/v-deo.html
@O_mores sorry for not watching till the end but still gtx 980 is not modern hardware but i still apreciate for making this experiment to see how win vista runs on i5 14th gen and that very cool mobo still this was a experiment. Keep up the good work!
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Windows Server 2025 on MBR a.k.a Legacy BIOS 😂
As far as I know, Windows Server 2025 support Legacy BIOS so it won't be problem. It's basically the same thing as WS2022.
@@O_moresOh okay, I thought MS try to put TPM 2.0 as a mandatory for WS2K25
subscribed!!
Ok ok ive changed my mind.
Its a *subpar* cpu choice, alright?
What would you have picked? 14600KF was like 220$ a month ago.
I didn't know it was VI-STA or it's just a coincidence?
Just a coincidence I guess. In Spanish Vista means "view" so Windows Vista was named to evoke a "view" or "perspective" and the end result was a more visually appealing interface.
@@O_mores why not both? I can believe there was a line of thought from Windows 6 > VI > VIsta
Fist of all, very good video. Even though I have no plan on doing anything like this. Well done for making an interesting video.
I was actually one of those few people who really liked Vista (64). I had zero issues with programs, ie games, and even had better compatibility with some older games than I had with XP. Well, not the 16-bit ones, but that's not Vista's fault as my XP was always 32.
I actually kept Vista 64 till about 2015 when I switched to Windows 8. Yes, not 10. That came back a couple of years ago after the release of Windows 11.
Anyway, thanks for the video. Did you by any chance try to get the iGPU working with it?
My first experience with Windows Vista was on a late-2007 Asus laptop equipped with a T7250 CPU and a GeForce GO 7300. It came preinstalled and looked stunning, especially on the glossy display-my first time using one. However, Vista was too heavy for that hardware while using a high end CPU.
The 14600KF lacks an integrated GPU (iGPU). While I haven’t tested it on Intel systems, I can confirm that AM5 iGPUs do not function in CSM mode.
@@O_mores Thank you for the info. That's a shame. Well, kind of. As I said I have zero plans on doing anything like this.
Take care.
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I think you still can activate Windows Vista by phone. For XP - for which phone activation is no longer working - I know for sure that the algorithm was decoded and you can now activate by opening the activation phone screen - and input those numbers on a tiny app that will give the codes as if you have phoned to the MS servers. Basically nothing is patched to activate Windows by using this method.
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@O_mores русский только
Here's an idea: Mac OS X developer preview (Rhapsody) on a new PC. Or OPENSTEP, it's all the same anyways, just with a differing desktop environment.
I'm genuinely excited about a project like this! Though I could install Windows 98 every week and never get bored. :)) If you happen to have a link to the Rhapsody ISO just give me a sign...
@@O_moresThere are ISOs over on the internet archive, Big Brother does not let us post links here, but it should be easy to find. But I think you would appreciate the DR1 .vmdk that someone posted over there.
The easiest way that I've found to install OPENSTEP 4.2 on a PC was to first install it in VirtualBox, get the generic colour display driver installed and then dd the HDD image onto a real IDE drive.
The only reason I did that was NeXT's crazy floppy formats and you needed two of those (probably 2.88 MB) floppies to boot.
Now, consider that I was installing this on a K6-2 PC with ISA, PCI and an ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP display adapter. Even this already lacked driver support for the GPU, because AGP drivers did not even exist as far as I can tell.
@@O_mores So I tried writing down my experiences with running NeXT on PC, but our Big Brother does not like longer comments. Would Facebook be a good place to contact you?
@masterkamen371 Sure, search Omores on Facebook.
challange install windows codename longhorn pre reset on this hardwere
I think I can give it a try, but it depends on how similar these releases are to XP. If they share the same ACPI support, the installation will likely fail on this hardware. However, if MPS support is still present, I should be able to achieve multi-CPU functionality, as I successfully did with vanilla XP.
Why Intel? WHY?!
For a retro-modern multi-boot setup, Intel is the better choice. It offers superior performance in V86 mode, and its motherboards retain MPS (Multiprocessor Specification) support, so you can run even NT 3.51 with multiprocessor capabilities. I already did it: Also, AM5 high-end motherboards seem to lack PS/2 ports, although I may not have search enough for one... On the blue side... you can easily find Intel motherboards with Z790 and even the latest Z890 chipsets (for the new LGA 1851 socket) equipped with a PS/2 port and CSM support.
@@O_mores i was curious and yep, it makes sense, yes you are right. Nice vid btw
Cool
please just let us forget this os
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Yes, you are!
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that’s what you sound like
Ha, I thought you were asking yourself why Vista on this hardware! 😆 But yeah, if it’s about my voice, this is old news... This time let's blame it on the winter vibes - I'm cold, stuffed up, and probably sounding worse than usual!
@@O_mores To be honest I like listening to your voice :)
Use windows 8...