GE Killer? Lhoist North America Gets Another EMD - and it's a High Hood GP38-2
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2023
- Lhoist North America, Tennessee's mining railroad, recently added a second EMD locomotive to its roster. Does this spell the end of the company's unique High Hood GEs?
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Good to see that classic high hoods are still being rebuilt and continue to live on.
I really like Lhoist's livery. Super clean and classy look with white and grey and then the sky blue hand rails, logo & stripe. The splash of safety yellow on the end handrails and steps just really pops as well. Not what I would have expected from a mining company. Thank you for acquainting me with this awesome shortline. Great video!
I agree with you. Thanks for watching! -Drayton
great paint make up for the engine she ain't? 🤣 I'm thinking more it;s all going to scrap/recycle vs. repower and repair
You're right, their livery is classy. I liked it ever since the first time i saw it. One would think it was a financial company looking at the logo
I've always been a fan of high hoods. I'm glad to see that some are getting a new lease on life through rebuild programs. Great video! Thanks for posting!
I know the B23-7’s weren’t exactly popular… but it still makes my day to see that old Southern power leading long hood forward, the way it was intended.
Look ahead...look South
@17:55 The yellow structure next to the tracks is a concrete form used when lining the tunnel. Looks like there is still a switch connecting the siding it is on to the main.
My grandfather was an engineer on the TC, based at Emory Gap. Our house is within line of sight and certainly earshot of the Emory Gap yard. I spent some time in that yard as a kid. A family friend was the last telegrapher on regular duty at Emory Gap. My grandfather made that run to Crab Orchard many times. One of the highest wooden trestles on that line is visible from the east bound lane of I-40 about at Ozone. As you note, lots of trestles up there. I can remember my grandfather being called to run the crane engine for what was probably the last big derailment up around Ozone, where the track is pretty near - and on a higher grade - than the old 2 lane US Hwy 70 that runs between Rockwood and Crab Orchard/Crossville.
Drayton, fantastic video as always my friend!
-Sam
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
Man that drone shot at 13-- across the bridge is amazing!
Honestly I quite like the high hood with duel beacon design
It’s a good day when delay in block uploads a video. Been watching for years now! Always great content
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks so much for watching, Luke.
@@DelayInBlockProductionsis this the end for the B23-7’s?
these drone bridge shots are incredible! Blows my mind! Great Job Capturing this!
You've got it! 👍
Knoxville did a great job of making it look professional.
Great to hear your voice!!
i love high hoods, there's something about them that makes them stand out from the rest, thank you lhoist north america and thank you delay and block productions for this wonderful documentary
I always loved high, short hooded locomotives. They look more brutish. My favourites are the EMD GP-7, 9, 18 and SD-40. I like when such engines are run long hood forward.
11:49 There are no guard rails on the bridge and it's curved too.
There was a time on the Long Island Railroad,when there was Alco C420's,and EMD GP38-2's,running side by side! They were used on push-pull passengers,and freight! The C420's were high hood,and the last of their breed,and I don't even know if any survived past the millennium! Oh,yes,those GE B23-7's were the 1900 series on Conrail! The NS,and CSX split the series,and again,just how many survived?? Thanks for an excellent production,and gorgeous scenery,gosh Tennessee is real God's country! Thank you 😇 😊!!
Starting out on the Southern back in '75 , I more than likely ran this locomotive when it had the Black Tux livery,and still had the new locomotive smell. The Travler sez hello old friend. Glad to see you still got that high hood.
Great video once again. I'll definitely have to check these guys out at some point.
Awesome video!
Thanks!
very interesting that a slug was in the consist at 3:12. NS 919. Those seem fairly rare these days.
Really enjoyed the video. It’s cool seeing the high hoods still being used.
It's like seeing an old friend. I've worked on and helped maintain that unit for a bunch of years. Our system paint-shop at NS CDS (Chattanooga), does pretty work.
No brag, just fact, I designed the 27 pin MU change-over adapter box to clear off the running-board to apply the ditch-light stands, and to run conduit up the side, under the cab floor for the ditch lights project. (I promised God I would ALWAYS give Him the credit for the designs He gives me. It always works right).
hello Drayton . I am new to this channel . so clicking on the first video of this channel . I am quit amazed with the footages . especially the drone ones . what a nice locomotive that is . this is right thing save legends from scrapyard and giving them power to ride the rails again . thank you for the video .🙂🙂
Nice drone work, by the way. I've been through that Willett tunnel with my grandfather. Some familiar territory from my past on this one. Not many are aware of the history of the TC and its impact on rail history and the economy of the area.
Very cool! Thanks for watching.
Excellent footage. I love the high hoods.
Off the top.of my head the Geep 38 looks as it may have been a former Southern/NS unit. If so originally, the long hood was designated as front.
There is an F on the corner of the long hood at 10:33 so it’s likely a Southern/NS unit.
They showed a picture of it from 1993 in NS livery. ?????
@@sbrunner69 Didn't notice the photo you mentioned. The Southern and the N&W ran long hood forward until the mid 80's for what we understood to be collision safety. Both roads opted for the short high hood long after most roads had done away with them. After the mid 80's low hoods were purchased supposedly due to increased cost for the high hood. Low hood designated as front shortly after. Recollect some high hoods were chopped when rebuilt.
I don't think you can find a more picturesque branch line. Marvelous videography. DIB always keeps the bar high.
And to think that in the era of Southern Railways steam trip in the 1980's , they ran rare F Units over this trackage , while the steam engine was turned and serviced at Rockwood. Have it on Kodachrome slides ! Once , they used GP -30 's . Great time !!
I’m so glad Drayton is back to narrating the episodes himself
Always love a good Lhoist update.
Picture quality and information overall was excellent👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Excellent camera work. Top notch production.
I built an HO scale Great Northern high-hood GP60 in the old green and orange with yellow stripe paint scheme. I thought it would look pretty cool but it just didn’t have the same effect as the round-roofed geeps. I stripped it down and painted it in the more basic stripe-less scheme of the later 60’s and it looked much better. I considered Big Sky Blue and I think the next one will be wearing it.
Great video! Love all your Lhoist videos, had never heard of that railroad until your videos. Great scenery and paint scheme, and unique locomotives.
Thanks so much for watching!
I love seeing these fun videos about my now local railroad, since I live now across the street and up the mountain from Lhoist at the nearby Renegade Mountain.
A very magnificent train.🤠👍
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Glad you enjoyed it!
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I'm 58 and I have always enjoyed watching
trains especially here in Oklahoma where
I live and still do, Thank You.🤠👍🇺🇲
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"If you're a GE fan". I can't even conceive of such a thing. How? Why?
3043 sure looks like a GP35 to me.
It was built as a GP35 but internally, it’s now a GP40-3.
I saw where Lhoist bought out the Spinks clay company in Henry, TN near my hometown of Paris, TN, but there they use the K&WT (Kentucky & West Tennessee) Railway to haul their product.
Awesome work as always Drayton!!
Thanks again!
Great video, well filmed.👍🎥👍👍👍😊
Always liked high hoods but never understood why they even made them since there isnt much visibility
Nor why they ran them long hood forward which greatly decreased what little visibility they had
This is a really sad video, I suppose it is what you call progress? Great video as usual Drayton 🙏
Awesome Bro
Like the sound of the Nathan p5 horn on 5206
Like the new look on the locomotive
That's very cool
Hope you have a awesome weekend
Matthew and James says hi to you 👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻
I'd be incredibly impressed with LNA if they're able to keep that beautiful blue & white paint job clean.
nice video Drayton good NARRATION
Please excuse my ignorance. Why would anyone want a locomotive with a high hood? It seems to that it just obscures a great deal of the engineer's and conductor's forward vision. I noticed that the black locomotives in the lead not only have a low hood but that it slopes down to the sides which has to help forward vision. Sorry, but I've been wondering about this for several years.
23:57. Got a nice side by side of sequential car numbers.
I live close by and drive past the old 3029. Glad to see them getting a nice refreshed locomotive. Its a beautiful line that climbs the mountain out of rockwood.
Its great to see. They saved another high hood. I can still remember seeing a few GP's and SD40's still in southern paint. When I was a kid. Being near Southerns L line. Im familiar with that Lhoist facility. I used to pick up lime there occasionally. And deliver in West Virginia.
WHAAAAAAT? High Hoods = Happiness? UGHH! Drayton, you must be sniffing diesel fumes.
Awesome video
Great video. Wonderful shots. Too bad you could not get the falls on video. :)
Sweet footage. That's one sharp high hood!
Those are really cool. Don't see those in Oklahoma too often...or ever...
Adoro assistir vídeo desse trecho! Parabéns pela produção! Abraços do Brasil🇧🇷
Really hope they keep or save those old high hood GEs as they slowly get replaced
Really sharp looking! BUT ...they better keep them CLEAN!! dont let them look like CSX locos!
I had no idea they made a high-hood GP38-2. Nice looking machine
There were over 250 built.
Thank you, @@DelayInBlockProductions
Enjoyed this video, as well as some earlier ones you did on
Lhoist! Just a curiosity I have.
The 3043 is a GP35 by birth, converted into a GP40-3. I get
that. My curiosity with this unit is that it doesn’t seem to have a
turbo whine like an EMD 567
bored out to a 645 would have.
Makes me wonder if it doesn’t have an EMD engine in it at all,
although at times it sounds like a normally aspirated 567/645.
Also, the roof shots reveal two
small stacks, as opposed to a
turbo stack. Can you shed any
light on this to satisfy my curiosity? Thanks again for this
video, and the others, that bring
this remote operation to light!
De turbocharged perhaps ?
@@JimmySwearengin-bs2fv Siince it had two stacks side by side, I’m thinking possibly a different prime mover, as well. Its sound isn’t very clear, to be able to tell.
Sad that NS coupdn't deliver it with numberboards with matching typefaces.
I’ve been a railfan my whole life, but only recently started purposely going out to watch trains run, as I am 20 and have time do so now. Living in Knoxville TN myself, how do you know when these types of trains run? I would love to see them in action in person. Any advice would be greatly appreciated by me, and thank you for reading=)
The best thing to do is be trackside in Crab Orchard around 8:30AM Central. They usually run M-W-F and are an easy chase!
@@DelayInBlockProductionsthank you so much for the response, I greatly appreciate it=)
Also think about a scanner. That along with learning yje mile post markers (online maps) will get you good planning info for the day.
@@sbrunner69 Thanks for the help^-^
Lhoist North America gets a high hood GP38-2 . LNAX #5206 is heading home to Lhoist. That's a good chase.
I love their color scheme!
Strange horn on the 4023
It uses a semi-truck horn as the train horns are often damaged by the hanging tree limbs.
Now that's old-school, cause in the early diesel days, the locomotive horns are little more than semi-tractor horns!
I'm guessing it has to do with spare parts. GE's have never been popular on or with the used locomotive market in North America, and with the vast majority of Dash 7's built either scraped or rebuilt and shipped off to Central America, along with the fact Dash 7 parts are likely becoming scarce and expensive (have NO idea if GE even makes spare parts for Dash 7's), whereas EMD spare parts are quite readily available from a number of suppliers in the used and rebuilt locomotive market.
The drone footage is awesome to watch! Is there a reason why Southern wanted high hoods, like safety or something else?
They felt it was safer to run diesels long hood forward, considering that during the transition from steam to diesel the old engineers were used to having essentially the entire locomotive in front of them. Long hood forward operation I suppose gave a sense of familiarity and it is safer if you think about it with all that metal out in front of you in case of a collision.
A 3 banger consist hauling 15 empty hoppers at 20 mph. Even on a 2% grade seems like a bit of over kill. The locomotives weight more than the cars. On a 2% grade that consist with one geep would only require about 25,000 pounds of tractive effort and 600 horsepower at 20 mph.
Thank you, Drayton, for documenting the arrival and first trip of Lhoist North America's newest locomotive EMD GP38-2 #5206, It is nice to see that Lhoist North America is adding addition motive power to their fleet. However, I hope that this will not be the death knell for the GE units.
Awesome. Wish you do Tennessee Central line that be awesome. I've seen them going by their in Semi on 40 . I'm TC fan and know location of hidden speeder TC once owned guy has vast collection caboose. I got Southern Road trailer Sign from owner
Eh it looks tovweird to me that locomotive I’m a fan of emd and ge but I prefer emd is GP40s and SD40s as well as there SD70s series is like the Macs and Ace is I’d even take a non high hood versions of the GP38-3s but maybe I’m just not a high hood kinda guy I guess still cool video love your work
Cars honking make me laugh. I always want to just get down and ask if they need help before moving again.
Looking at 18:40 ... I'm missing the EOTD at the end of the train. Is this all part of a switching?
28:36 is what could have been had the Tallulah Falls survived
7:26. Crab orchard plant. Can you let us know how deep inside the mountain do those tunnels go? I've been trucking on I 40 since 030595 and always wondered that. Thxs ❤❤❤❤❤
That B23-7 sounds like a M3 or M5.
The last time I heard it, it still had its Southern style horn ( P5 I think it's called, but it wasn't running LHF ) . Could be a different horn for the backup move.
I wonder why one number plate on 5206 has a funny zero.
Do they not use dynamic brakes on the way down this line with the loads?
They do.
Doesn't the 4023 have a bell or has it been relocated?
The bell was relocated to the conductor’s side of the fuel tank, near the cab.
So is this full time work for the Lhoist train crews or do they fill other roles with company when not running the trains?
They fill other roles too. They switch for about 2-3 hours daily and the mainline run is about 3 hours total.
When i worked at Railnet we had B23-7s....the mechanic had a hard time getting parts as GE manufactures like a car company and discontinues parts after 20 years. Countrys like Brasil buying a good 94 percent of the C30-7s and B models as well as peru and columbia you can say they hoarded everything....
Have to wonder what the two yellow beacons on the front of 5206 are needed for. Is the horn not enough notice to get out of the way, lol.
Beacons are only used during remote operations. They’re purpose is to signal to other engineers that there my not be an engineer in the cab
@@tonyschulz3558 Thank you!
I hope the GE’s are kept around longer. I hate to be a negative ninny, but with the addition of 5206, I’m willing to bet that it’s the beginning of the end of the GE high hoods.
Parts are hard to come by, as they fail I'm sure retirement will happen
They gotta fix that horn though
Why did the 4023 have a different reporting marking?
4023 was sub lettered for Franklin Materials before the Lhoist purchase.
Nice Video!
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I wonder who those SD60's are now going to they had with it in the DIT part of the lashup.
Scrapped.
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Why does the GE have call letter FIMX and the EMD have LNAX?
What if they need that extra unit.
Then they can easily put it back in the consist.
@@DelayInBlockProductionsnot exactly what I was talking about. I was talking about them adding the extra unit to the roster so they can run bigger trains.
Rephrase it...why do they...
Lhoist dedicated one of their 3 units to yard switching, 5206 is its replacement for fulltime service.
@@gregblanton9386 I kinda figured that. Couldn't get a ge so they got an emd.
Do NOT fuel means scrapping these unique locomotives. Sad the sd60s are being scrapped
Nothing to beat a Roots blown EMD.
Well, this one's been stripped of its blower.
@@kristoffermangila you can't have a two stroke engine of any kind with no scavenging at all
@@AndreiTupolev from what the video implied, this unit's turbo was removed during rebuilding... I don't know, I'll rewatch this video again just to be sure. But the turbo whine in that EMD was either muted or gone...
@@AndreiTupolev after rechecking, you're right. This GP has twin Rootes blowers. It replaced the turbo on this locomotive. My bad.
Nothing says "SOUTHERN" more than No.5206
It has a vaguely European vibe to it.
#benchingfreight
I feel like I walk alone. I never cared for the high hoods. Matter of fact, I rather enjoy it when I see GP 7s & 9s getting chopped.
I always thought it was pronounced LaHoist
Smart choosing a white paint scheme, as it won't show "dirt" from the limestone.
Exactly!
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