These bikes are excellent! 90% of us aren't Professionals. I don't care about an E-start. RMZs are super durable. You keep the engine oil clean..use full synthetic & change every 15hrs max + keep air filter clean (Maxima sells pre-oiled ready to pop in!). Always premium fuel! Can't go wrong.
@@cheetah694 i love suzuki use rm125,250,rmz 450 but this rmz 250 was the biggest shithole bike of history engine case in the oil screw destroyed because the material its to thinn.
Why does everyone hate suzuki? How many years was suzuki the dominant bike at the pro level? You say it's a bad bike but how many champions rode suzuki? I get that's not a factory bike but clearly the bike has potential. If it's not your cup of tea, great but maybe that's someone else's dream......looks to me like the Suzuki is fairly comparable. W a little work that suzuki will run with other bikes. Cheaper to start with too
The RMZ will have a slower straight away speed than its competition. (down by about 3 horsepower) But it will have a faster cornering speed because nothing out corners a Suzuki so it cancels out. The RMZ is about $2500 cheaper too. So put 2 grand in the motor and then the RMZ will be faster everywhere.
Yup hence why I would grab a new '22 RMZ250 in a heartbeat but local dealers are sold out here in Ohio. Gonna put a dep on next one coming in! Loved RM 2-strokes rode/raced em.. never let me dwn.. im stickin w /Suzuki! After break in switch to Maxima full synthetic u get 1-1.5hp easy.
As far as the oil test, the ester based oils will be the best...Redline,Klotz, Maxima...I think even Silkoline..there will be a slight difference between these and dino juice.
Had loads of rm bikes from suzuki only ever had a kick start idle gear go on a 2013 model but other than that all good had a 22 gas gas 250f a 22 sxf 250 now on a 22 yzf 250 but thinking on going back to suzuki
You mention changing to high-quality oils at the end. Do you have any videos or dynos from that testing? I'm looking on your channel but not seeing anything yet. These topics are pretty interesting even though they don't make much difference for an average trail rider like myself :)
Did you do any pulls with the leaner fuel coupler? I’m interested to see if there is any HP difference or just feel on the track. Also in your opinion if you were to add a full yosh system, and the lean coupler. Would it in turn run too lean?
@@HPRaceDevelopment Thanks for reply. So I’m low budget building a 2012 Rmz250. Putting 290 kit, Stage 2 hot cams, PC slip on and Get ECU with 10 position and bar mount switch. You think it is a must to port the head to get it to run well/have more topend pull? Before it just felt flat on top like a 2 stroke without a power valve.
Not sure I agree on any of your assessments… The ktm will never feel like a yamaha. the yamaha will never feel like a ktm. The yamaha has extremely stiff suspension for a stock bike. it just doesnt feel harsh because of how they designed the chassis. the ktm has pretty soft suspension - but has always felt harsher. the new chassis was designed to get rid of some of that harshness. Each bike does certain things better than the other. if you only care about plushness feel then buy a yamaha. if you want better sharper turning buy the ktm
I haven’t ridden a Suzuki so I am going off what I have read/heard. I have ridden ktm 2 strokes quite a bit and a couple of Honda four strokes. The 2022 crf250r was harsh for me. Great steering right up until the rear snaps around. Trying to meter power smoothly at low speeds when the trail was wet/slick was a challenge at times. The ktms were really pretty good other than the suspension seemed too soft at times especially the fork. They definitely feel precise when turning.
I can make one - weve done custom kits for all manners of bikes. But my experience on engines like the rmz has shown them to not work great without porting at a minimum
def check this guy out, this is my bike he has and I'm having him port it and doing cam modification to it as well as Ecu Tuning with the GET ecu. he's your man to take your bike to!
So we are looking at a comparison between a modified Husqvarna 250 and an essentially stock Suzuki 250 tells me the Suzuki is NOT a weakling. With all due respect to the fine folks at Yoshimura, aside from some weight savings, their system is not a sizeable advantage over the stock system with regards to flow or pressure wave management.
the yosh is about the best system ive tested on the rmz. doesnt mean its a huge improvement from stock however...but thats true now on almost every brand of bike. Shy of flat track or drag race pipes that loose low end and dont meet sound rules - its hard to improve on oem exhausts
@@HPRaceDevelopment So what mods were done to the RMZ other than the Yosh system? You stated stock mapping and no mention of cam phasing or other internals. I do know that the Husky has a superior throttle body shared with KTM.
I’m not sure what happened to Suzuki. Why have they fallen so far behind? Their bikes are least horsepower, while also being the heaviest. Look at the KTM 450SXF. Weighs less than the RMZ250 🤯
The KTM 450 also weighs less than all the other 250f's minus the KTM...It's more a reflection on KTM than a knock on suzuki. Our mod video on this bike showcases just how decent it can be - and considering you can buy them 3000 less than a ktm - and that their forks are KYB SSS with fantastic parts - just a stiff valving set up - it's not a bad bike
Ktm is expensive. Parts are expensive....everything is expensive. Suzuki is good for the hobbyist. If u want to be faster. BE a better rider....best upgrade there is
@@39impala My friends 19 sx 450 sat over winter and wouldn't start even after replacing battery ended up being a fuel injection problem more electric crap! I kept My 2001 RM 250 in his garage that winter started first kick with old gas lol and his almost 10 grand bike with 20 hours. Won't stay running my 1500 dollar 2 smoke has 20 years of riding and still hangs
dunno about that - they had a very solid stretch of the best 85 and 125 from a power standpoint of all the japense - and at that time were flat out dominant in amateur racing
@@HPRaceDevelopment no one cares about that the bikes themselves were still junk regardless of power it had a lot more to do with who rode them. And the YZ and CR were still much more prevalent than either of those bikes you would see a handful of Suzuki’s at the track around dozens of the other brands. They won lites races with Travis and Ricky made them look good on the big bikes for awhile as well but other than that they haven’t done much winning professionally since the 80s
@@jonruger suzuki DOMINATED amatuer racing for a long time. And you saw quite a lot of them. Frankly - outside of weak clutch baskets - they were not junk. Once the 4 stroke era hit - YES, they have fallen off in both market share and their initial bike with kawasaki was junk. But after the new gen in 06 and onwards - quite honestly they were solid. They had one recall issue on the first efi 450 that killed their image. But since about 09 they are rock solid bikes. Im not advocating you buy one - but we RARELY have to fix suzukis in the shop vs the piles of garbage honda, kawasaki - and now yamaha has put out. The yzf 250 since 14 is without a doubt the LEAST Reliable 250f we have ever seen outside of the 04-05 kx/rmz. But due to pro racing sucess - and past reputation on their bulletproof 5 valve engines - yamaha still has good public perception. Im not complaining - fixing broken yamahas has paid a lot of my bills
@@HPRaceDevelopment Dominated is a strong word more like Ricky sold a lot of bikes to a select group who were not already into motorcycles. It’s very rare to meet someone who was a die hard Suzuki fan pre Ricky but the other Japanese brands all had a strong brand loyalty from the late 70s and 80s. You probably were not around for them but all the 90s RMs had terrible transmissions and funky power bands they were not great compared to everything else which is why they didnt win anything in the 90s till Travis came along
@@jonruger If you went to armatuer national championships - suzuki was DOMINANT. 85 class, supermini class, 125 class. And multiple riders... They had a strong pro 125 program. When the 4t hit - this reversed. Millsaps, Whartens, Anderson, izzi, dungey, jesse masterpool, jesse nelson, pastrana, weimer, and tons of top ams who didnt' make a career but won b and A titles. Outside of team green - it was probably the most successful amatuer program/brand in the time frame. No different than being the winniest 450 package over a 15 year span from 07 to like 20. It's why they tried not to change much - whcih killed their sales - it wasn't "all new" like the POS 2009 honda was, and POS 13. But it was capable of winning. No factory bike is stock and suzuki knows this, so a good platform is all they wanted. At this point - sure the 250 and 450 are dated. They are basically 2008 tech. But their chassis are still fantastic. If they updated their engines with their 1000cc sportbike tech - and added estart, with a little weight reduction program - it would be a winning capable chassis. Again - Im not saying to go buy one - but to dismiss the fact they had quite a fast production bike with the best suspension components you could buy in a well balanced chassis that allowed ams to easily build winning bikes is flat out innacurate.
respect for the machine.
No needless limiter smashing.
Nice
These bikes are excellent! 90% of us aren't Professionals. I don't care about an E-start. RMZs are super durable. You keep the engine oil clean..use full synthetic & change every 15hrs max + keep air filter clean (Maxima sells pre-oiled ready to pop in!). Always premium fuel! Can't go wrong.
i had a 2008 rmz 250 worst bike of history ,all threads are broken ,shitbike
@@vwgtdturbo Threads get broken when someone cannot wrench.
@@cheetah694 i love suzuki use rm125,250,rmz 450 but this rmz 250 was the biggest shithole bike of history engine case in the oil screw destroyed because the material its to thinn.
Why does everyone hate suzuki? How many years was suzuki the dominant bike at the pro level? You say it's a bad bike but how many champions rode suzuki? I get that's not a factory bike but clearly the bike has potential. If it's not your cup of tea, great but maybe that's someone else's dream......looks to me like the Suzuki is fairly comparable. W a little work that suzuki will run with other bikes. Cheaper to start with too
The RMZ will have a slower straight away speed than its competition. (down by about 3 horsepower) But it will have a faster cornering speed because nothing out corners a Suzuki so it cancels out. The RMZ is about $2500 cheaper too. So put 2 grand in the motor and then the RMZ will be faster everywhere.
Yup hence why I would grab a new '22 RMZ250 in a heartbeat but local dealers are sold out here in Ohio. Gonna put a dep on next one coming in! Loved RM 2-strokes rode/raced em.. never let me dwn.. im stickin w /Suzuki! After break in switch to Maxima full synthetic u get 1-1.5hp easy.
@DavidRC yea if you take it to the most expensive place in town.
@DavidRC I highly debt it all it needs is a different cam .
$650 would make it even with competition
Definitely going for the huskyI never ride a 250 under 8,000 rpm
Damn those RMZ’s sound mean with a yoshi pipe
As far as the oil test, the ester based oils will be the best...Redline,Klotz, Maxima...I think even Silkoline..there will be a slight difference between these and dino juice.
the best power oils arent powersports specific. Weve done tons of oil shootouts but never for camera. The differences are huge
I’d guess they are car oils that are considered too slippery for wet clutch (non Jaso MA)? Would be interested to see results from these tests
Had loads of rm bikes from suzuki only ever had a kick start idle gear go on a 2013 model but other than that all good had a 22 gas gas 250f a 22 sxf 250 now on a 22 yzf 250 but thinking on going back to suzuki
You mention changing to high-quality oils at the end. Do you have any videos or dynos from that testing? I'm looking on your channel but not seeing anything yet. These topics are pretty interesting even though they don't make much difference for an average trail rider like myself :)
@@MotocrossHideout we have never published but at some point plan to.
@@HPRaceDevelopment Cool, thanks, Derek!
I think teams usually measure oil pressure and try thinnest oil possible which still produce required pressure at working temps on given engine.
love your work,,,,do you have a pipe for 1999 kx125
I'd love to see dyno numbers between ktm tpi bikes vs their carb bikes.
Carb smokes them
Should I go with a Yoshimura RS-12 full exhaust system for my 22 250 SXF? What are the best exhaust systems money can buy too?
Good question!! These days Stock is almost always the best value. But yosh always makes top quality product
Would be interested in doing a ktm250sx with different pipes.
If people wish to donate the pipes we'd love to do a video. To gather 5 pipes from top brands would cost around 3500!
@@HPRaceDevelopment i have most pipes for 2014 ktm250sx. Bills Pipes, fmf fatty with shorty and powercpre 2 silencer, pro circuit pipe.
@@HPRaceDevelopment im willing to work something out to see difference. I also have a ktm sxs 300kit to put in when 250 top end goes
@@HennyTRX3773 While this video was the 4t - I'll test the 2t pipes if we can secure a solid running local bike no problem
@@HPRaceDevelopment im ok with using my bike and pipes just to know the differences, you cN get content for ur channel
Did you do any pulls with the leaner fuel coupler? I’m interested to see if there is any HP difference or just feel on the track. Also in your opinion if you were to add a full yosh system, and the lean coupler. Would it in turn run too lean?
the coupler leans it 3 percent and adds some ignition. it looses power on the dyno
our mod video details work that can actually make gains worth the investment. even published on yoshimura website the pipe isnt hardly worth any power
@@HPRaceDevelopment that’s crazy that the lean coupler has less peak power. Definitely feels snappier/crisper and pulls a little further on top.
@@michaelkritter1694 "further up top" means it takes longer to hit the limiter...aka slower
@@HPRaceDevelopment Thanks for reply. So I’m low budget building a 2012 Rmz250. Putting 290 kit, Stage 2 hot cams, PC slip on and Get ECU with 10 position and bar mount switch. You think it is a must to port the head to get it to run well/have more topend pull? Before it just felt flat on top like a 2 stroke without a power valve.
Any news on the 2021? Is it rly just a bng?
You mentioned high quality synthetics. What brands do you recommend? I use motorex in our KTM's
We might publish a video at some point. But just about any popular brand is fine
Is the 250 chassis as stiff as they say or is it all a suspension setting issue? Can it handle bumps like a Yamaha with the right suspension tuning?
Not sure I agree on any of your assessments… The ktm will never feel like a yamaha. the yamaha will never feel like a ktm. The yamaha has extremely stiff suspension for a stock bike. it just doesnt feel harsh because of how they designed the chassis. the ktm has pretty soft suspension - but has always felt harsher. the new chassis was designed to get rid of some of that harshness. Each bike does certain things better than the other. if you only care about plushness feel then buy a yamaha. if you want better sharper turning buy the ktm
I haven’t ridden a Suzuki so I am going off what I have read/heard. I have ridden ktm 2 strokes quite a bit and a couple of Honda four strokes. The 2022 crf250r was harsh for me. Great steering right up until the rear snaps around. Trying to meter power smoothly at low speeds when the trail was wet/slick was a challenge at times.
The ktms were really pretty good other than the suspension seemed too soft at times especially the fork. They definitely feel precise when turning.
is there a big bore kit available yet for the 19+?
I can make one - weve done custom kits for all manners of bikes. But my experience on engines like the rmz has shown them to not work great without porting at a minimum
def check this guy out, this is my bike he has and I'm having him port it and doing cam modification to it as well as Ecu Tuning with the GET ecu. he's your man to take your bike to!
Too much airflow never a bad thing until it induces disruptive airflow.
Flow bench airflow and engine airflow quite different. It's why the trend to downdraft ports has started
So we are looking at a comparison between a modified Husqvarna 250 and an essentially stock Suzuki 250 tells me the Suzuki is NOT a weakling. With all due respect to the fine folks at Yoshimura, aside from some weight savings, their system is not a sizeable advantage over the stock system with regards to flow or pressure wave management.
The husky is stock.... In comparison to a stock ecu and stock exhaust it was about identical. the rmz is a long ways off stock.
the yosh is about the best system ive tested on the rmz. doesnt mean its a huge improvement from stock however...but thats true now on almost every brand of bike. Shy of flat track or drag race pipes that loose low end and dont meet sound rules - its hard to improve on oem exhausts
@@HPRaceDevelopment So what mods were done to the RMZ other than the Yosh system? You stated stock mapping and no mention of cam phasing or other internals. I do know that the Husky has a superior throttle body shared with KTM.
Bro we need a stock bike on pump pull vs any race gas pull please!!!! On any 4 stroke
I have some videos lined up and shot already
@@HPRaceDevelopment yesses! I love this channel can't wait. I got the bell 🔔 on. Maybe a slip on vs full on any exhaust answell!
I have a 2011 rmz250r with only 80 hours on it
I’m not sure what happened to Suzuki. Why have they fallen so far behind? Their bikes are least horsepower, while also being the heaviest. Look at the KTM 450SXF. Weighs less than the RMZ250 🤯
The KTM 450 also weighs less than all the other 250f's minus the KTM...It's more a reflection on KTM than a knock on suzuki. Our mod video on this bike showcases just how decent it can be - and considering you can buy them 3000 less than a ktm - and that their forks are KYB SSS with fantastic parts - just a stiff valving set up - it's not a bad bike
You bought into the KTM hype. Congratulations.
Ktm is expensive. Parts are expensive....everything is expensive. Suzuki is good for the hobbyist.
If u want to be faster. BE a better rider....best upgrade there is
I found a 2019 rmz250 with 15 hours for 3700 ,should I get it?
@@Briank-ef5iq you'd be stupid not to. You could part it out and make a few grand
The Suzuki would be a better power delivery for the average rider or slow fat slobs like me.
Why is he kickstarting a 2020 bike? i thought it has a starter?
Not the rmz - not sure what outlet youve seen an rmz electric start on...
Palm in face
@@davidramsay1055 When the lithium battery shits the bed and costs$$$$ the rm keeps on going LOL!
@@39impala My friends 19 sx 450 sat over winter and wouldn't start even after replacing battery ended up being a fuel injection problem more electric crap! I kept My 2001 RM 250 in his garage that winter started first kick with old gas lol and his almost 10 grand bike with 20 hours. Won't stay running my 1500 dollar 2 smoke has 20 years of riding and still hangs
Suzuki’s have been the worst bikes for 30 plus years they just got real lucky with who they had using for them a few times.
dunno about that - they had a very solid stretch of the best 85 and 125 from a power standpoint of all the japense - and at that time were flat out dominant in amateur racing
@@HPRaceDevelopment no one cares about that the bikes themselves were still junk regardless of power it had a lot more to do with who rode them. And the YZ and CR were still much more prevalent than either of those bikes you would see a handful of Suzuki’s at the track around dozens of the other brands. They won lites races with Travis and Ricky made them look good on the big bikes for awhile as well but other than that they haven’t done much winning professionally since the 80s
@@jonruger suzuki DOMINATED amatuer racing for a long time. And you saw quite a lot of them. Frankly - outside of weak clutch baskets - they were not junk. Once the 4 stroke era hit - YES, they have fallen off in both market share and their initial bike with kawasaki was junk. But after the new gen in 06 and onwards - quite honestly they were solid. They had one recall issue on the first efi 450 that killed their image. But since about 09 they are rock solid bikes. Im not advocating you buy one - but we RARELY have to fix suzukis in the shop vs the piles of garbage honda, kawasaki - and now yamaha has put out. The yzf 250 since 14 is without a doubt the LEAST Reliable 250f we have ever seen outside of the 04-05 kx/rmz. But due to pro racing sucess - and past reputation on their bulletproof 5 valve engines - yamaha still has good public perception. Im not complaining - fixing broken yamahas has paid a lot of my bills
@@HPRaceDevelopment Dominated is a strong word more like Ricky sold a lot of bikes to a select group who were not already into motorcycles. It’s very rare to meet someone who was a die hard Suzuki fan pre Ricky but the other Japanese brands all had a strong brand loyalty from the late 70s and 80s. You probably were not around for them but all the 90s RMs had terrible transmissions and funky power bands they were not great compared to everything else which is why they didnt win anything in the 90s till Travis came along
@@jonruger If you went to armatuer national championships - suzuki was DOMINANT. 85 class, supermini class, 125 class. And multiple riders... They had a strong pro 125 program. When the 4t hit - this reversed. Millsaps, Whartens, Anderson, izzi, dungey, jesse masterpool, jesse nelson, pastrana, weimer, and tons of top ams who didnt' make a career but won b and A titles. Outside of team green - it was probably the most successful amatuer program/brand in the time frame. No different than being the winniest 450 package over a 15 year span from 07 to like 20. It's why they tried not to change much - whcih killed their sales - it wasn't "all new" like the POS 2009 honda was, and POS 13. But it was capable of winning. No factory bike is stock and suzuki knows this, so a good platform is all they wanted. At this point - sure the 250 and 450 are dated. They are basically 2008 tech. But their chassis are still fantastic. If they updated their engines with their 1000cc sportbike tech - and added estart, with a little weight reduction program - it would be a winning capable chassis. Again - Im not saying to go buy one - but to dismiss the fact they had quite a fast production bike with the best suspension components you could buy in a well balanced chassis that allowed ams to easily build winning bikes is flat out innacurate.
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why is that? Facts dont lie...