Find the Perfect MTB: Expert Guide
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- The age-old question - What type of mtb should you buy? XC vs Trail vs All-mountain vs Enduro vs DH. Today we are talking about what type of bike is best for you. We start with defining each category and then move on to who should ride each type and where each category shines. We give examples of our favorites in each category. Stick around to see what type of MTB you should be riding.
0:00 Intro
0:54 Category Definitions
1:48 XC
3:55 Trail
7:49 All-Mountain
12:13 Enduro
15:25 DH
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One of the best category breakdowns I've seen! I like that you touched on skills > trails = underbike, trails > skills = overbike. Jumping up a category can save the bacon in those oh shift moments. If you're overskilled for the trails, jumping down can bring some more fun.
Glad you liked it! Thanks for the kind words.
Great video! Nice to see all the footage as your talk about the type of trails and bikes.
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Glad you enjoyed it!
I adore hardtail XC and trail MTBs! So far, these two are the categories that fit for my biking.
Avid mtb rider in 1990s, had kids, getting back into it and don’t understand what’s going on with bikes these days. This is a very helpful video…thanks!
Hey thanks. Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the in-depth explanation
Great job on the individual bike reviews on this channel
Hey thanks! Glad you like the videos!
Awesome video, which really needed to be done. Thanks guys!
Glad it was helpful!
My 2018 first aluminum version of the Norco Optic A9.2 with 120/110 mm of travel is an excellent cross-country bike with modern geometry for the flat terrain of Central Russia region. It is ideal for long hours of forest riding, on trails with many roots, as well as on more difficult and fun lines in ravines, and is great for blue trails. It climbs and descends very well in the terrain I ride. The Norco Optic short-travel trail bike, blurring the lines between cross-country and trail categories (you can call this border category down-country), is a great everyday bike, as well as a good solution for learning the basics and techniques of mountain biking, has proven itself well on short gaps, small jumps and drops. It all depends on the terrain you are riding on. We have no mountains unfortunately here, to the nearest mountain you need to drive more than 2,000 km. If your technical trails have a steep rocky incline, then you need an all-mountain or enduro bike. If your flow trails have a small incline and a lot of roots, then you need a trail or down country bike. Personally, I replaced my XC hardtail with a Norco Optic, it became much more comfortable and interesting for me to ride on hills, fields, ravines, blue lines. And for mountain trips I have an aggressive mid travel trail bike. Trail and all-mountain bikes are the best options for amateur riders. Cross-country, enduro and downhill are disciplines for professional athletes. But this is all conditional, since the boundaries are blurring. Ultimately, the most important thing is technique and riding skills. Have a good ride and have a good day!
This is excellent. With so many videos, the riders have an obvious bias (usually downhill) and gloss over the trade-offs...but this one's fair. You describe what being 'under-biked' and 'over-biked' feels like accurately too.
Hey thanks for the kind words! Really glad you liked the video.
Great video!
I have a 2020 Stumpjumper evo that I have stroked up to 160/160. I run it in high so it has a 64.5 HA, placing it solidly in the heavy duty all mountain bike category. I put some I9 Enduro 305s on it to lighten it up a bit for my local trails but It can still smash pretty damn well for where I live (MD).
This is an outstanding breakdown of where bikes are these days. I would point anyone, new to MTB or who hasn't bought a bike in a long while, to this video. Great work guys!
Thanks for the kind words!
Great info in this video. Thank you fellas! I love my 19' Bronson!
Hey thanks! Glad you liked it.
I really like your channel , put rider on a right spot , all the time was riding enduro bike and I’ve been something missing and sometimes exhausted too much, now just bold extra trail bike and this is it, doing all bike. 👍🏻
Hey thanks! Glad you like it.
my Kona Process 134 CR/Dl never ceases to amaze - its fun everywhere. My only comment is for many trails outside of big country riding (outside the USA, Canada or Alpine settings) I think up to trail is all you need.
How many time people overbike (enduro on XC) and really dont get the most out of the MTB experience.
I found for me an enduro bike, witch is excellent for biking in the Alps or in Finale on vacation, but sometimes a little too much on my local trails, combined with an Enduro Hardtail is perfect. The Hardtail is a ton of fun, not much slower than my full suspension, but a lot more physical and technique demanding. It helped to improve my strength and technique witch transalted perfectly to better biking on my Fullsuspension Enduro.
Very, very well done video. I’m a trail-bike guy for 90% of what I ride. I still have fun on the Black at our local mountain (although our blacks are sort of purple), but admittedly I’m a bit under biked there. I also have fun at Moab, but I’m a little beat up after WE (though still smiling). I won’t be taking my 5010 on Ahab again though, period.
I have a new Hightower for longer, bigger days, but it remains to be seen how much I’ll enjoy it on my daily climb-descend-twisty flow rides with small poppy features.
I think the best advice is for someone to think about what they ride 80% of the time, and get the bike that suits that style best. It seems most bikes can flex up or down a category and still be fun.
Awesome video. Love going to Bikers Edge!
Thanks for the support!
I rode Portal and Ahab last fall on a SC Tallboy...I couldn’t agree more with the assessment you made. Perfect bike for 90% of what I do but not my big gnarly day bike for sure. Order some XL Ripmo AFs I’m coming to town @bikersedge!
I really appreciated the information that you provided here. I started mountain biking in the late 90s, took a break when my older kids were little and then figured out how to ride with the kids and started back on an XC hardtail. Made a huge jump from an Orbea Alma to a Juliana Roubion so all mountain MX 🤷♀️. I love it on the downhills and the tech and it climbs okay but I miss the fast climbing plus it sucks to climb with my three year old on my bike with me (love the MacRide despite the hard work required 😆). I think I need to add another bike and I am wondering if I want to go with the Transition Spur or a Juliana Wilder TR because those would be fun on our big climbs on the green trails I am riding with my seven and ten year old and I could race those on the local circuit. I really appreciated your video featuring the Transition Spur because it really helped me narrow down my list.
My Ripmo v1 has served me well for everything I hit in SoCal. Planning to get a Ripley as a backup for when my Ripmo needs service
I’m jealous of your setup!
Thanks for that content. Useful!
Glad you liked it!
Good luck finding a bike
One of the best vids I have seen regarding the nuances of MTB!! Where do you find Mullets falling into generally? Thanks so much!!
Glad you liked it. I think mullets fall into their own respective categories depending on geo and travel. I don’t think they live in their own category.
Thanks for the video. Seen also others and tests in the past ...
Two things that seems no one is talking about in all those videos:
a) is a starting level All Mountian Bike (140-150mm) better than a Trail bike (120-130mm) with high end components, p.e. in a descent?
b) It is common to say that some of these bikes do not climb the same even if many Trail and All mountain bikes have the same geometry upfront.
So the question is: Can you have a stiffer (more presssure) 150mm front / locked in order to achieve (simulate almost a 130mm) a better climbing like a trail bike and having less pressure a day you focus on a rock garden downhill in order to be better that a trail bike?
I have notice that sometimes on a fire road with a bit of anomalies, a trail bike with 130mm high pressure and closed suspesion can climb faster than a hardtail. But sure we are talking about seconds of "superiority" per 200m
c) lastL: what about All mountain bikes with variable geometry?
Yoo... you guys are awesome 👏🏼 That’s all 😎🚲💨💯
& Great Vid!
Thanks man! It’s super appreciated. Love watching your videos too.
@@bikersedge Thanks Gentleman 🕺🏻
This scenery is AMAZING. Can you guys link your strava or list some of these ride locations?!
Shave your legs category: LOL. Picking up a Ripley on Saturday. Thanks for all the advice!
Stoked we could help!
Hi guys, very nice videos on your channel so far! Have you ever had the chance to ride an Occam TR (previuos version of the 2020 Occam)? A bit more trail than a Oiz TR... How would you describe it? Cherz 😊
Hey thanks for the kind words. I haven't ridden the old Occam. From what it looks like, it changed a ton with the current version.
Excellent educational video.
Where do you classify the Ripley AF, downcountry? With Ripley CF trail specific?
Hey thanks! Both the Ripleys would fall in the trail category.
Canyon Strive and SB150 both with 150 rear won 1st and 2nd on EWS
Excellent video! Best climbing, most efficient All Mountain bike? Thank you! Matt
Don’t know if you can beat the Ripmo or SB130 in the climbing department.
Love my Ripmo, but probably could go Pivot 429/Ibis Ripley in my area. Especially if I did a Ripley w/140 up front. Efficient uphill and fun downhill. As far as weight... If its an issue, I just figure I got to do more squats/deadlines to get stronger.😁
It’s tough to beat the Ripmo though. For how capable it is on the DH it’s one of the best climbers out there.
Where is the trail at 9:30? Amazing looking area. Great video btw, really cool to hear the comments while seeing the different types of terrain.
Hey thanks! It's in St. George.
Transition Spur is the best bike I’ve ridden for the type of riding I do 99% of the time.
It’s a good one!
Great video! Are you all planning on doing a review of the Transition Sentinel V2? If not, can you give some thoughts on it?
We are planning on it. Getting our hands on one right now is proving difficult.
@@bikersedge If y’all have an in-house giant, you can borrow my XXL I picked up today 😁.
I could fit. I’m one size smaller than an adult giraffe.
my ripley af likes to do all mountain things with xc travel
That bike rips!
I just picked one up, too, and it's just a fun bike. Maybe it's becuase my last bike was a 100/80 travel bike (and because I'm solidly in the honeymoon phase), but I am loving my Ripley AF. I think this is also supply-chain affected right now, but there is something about a 130/120 bike built up with burly enduro-ish 35mm rims and 2.5 Minions that is just non-sensical and hilarious to me too.
have you guys had a chance to review a cube stereo 170? this bike isnt too slack (64.4/65 HTA) and have 170/170mm travel... im curious to where this would be categorized.
Haven’t ridden one. We don’t carry Cube at the shop.
For a new user what would be better, a dedicated mullet bike (specialized status 160 2021) o a 29er (Specialized stumpjumper comp alloy 2021)?
I don’t think mullet vs 29 is a factor to consider for a beginner. I don’t think it will make much difference either way. I recommend that beginners start on a trail or all mountain bike and that they don’t spend a ton on it.
Nice job, Fellas
Why thank you!
This is probably the best break down I've seen of the categories, but in my experience it's all relative to skill and fitness levels. I take issue with the sentiment that someone would "need to have" a bike on either end of the spectrum, if you have to buy an xc bike to climb quickly and efficiently you probably need to work on your fitness, on the other hand if you "need to have" an enduro bike to descend quickly, you probably just need to work on your bike handling skills. I've learned this through experience and will happily be shopping in the trail and all mountain category from now on.
Thanks! You’re right. That’s why we said “in the right hands you could ride any trail on it...” This video was tailored toward the masses. For the most part we had the average Joe in mind when we made our assessments.
No mention of the Rallon in the enduro category, and no Rallon review video... Do you only sell the Oiz and Occam?
We sell the entire Orbea lineup. No mention of the Rallon because it's getting long in the tooth and for the most part we review and cover new bikes as they come out. We don't have the bandwidth/access to older models for review.
14:00 - This was me. I was convinced I wanted something like a Trek Slash or a SC Nomad... right up until I test rode one. I'm a 37yo dad getting back into the sport. To use one of those like it *wants* to be ridden was beyond what I wanted to do on a daily basis. Test riding an enduro bike convinced me I wanted a trail bike. Also, my wife rides a XC bike. If you have the chance to test ride a bike, take it where you will ride *and* with the person or people you will ride with. That will test how much fun you'll really have on your new bike.
Stoked you found the right bike for you!
The local shop is like “The best way to buy a bike is to ride it at a demo day and make sure you like it. Oh BTW, No test rides or test sits unless you pay in full before I assemble it.” Impossible to buy a bike unless you were mucky enough to get test rides before the pandemic.
Your category choices are excellent but sometimes bike manufacturers' don't fall within those parameters. Here's a great example of the bike I own: The Pivot Switchblade. If you look at Pivot's website, they have it classified as an Enduro bike but it only has 142mm of rear travel. That's a far cry from your Enduro definition of a bike having 160mm of rear travel.
We cover that in the video. Some bikes don’t fall neatly into little boxes. We talked about the Yeti SB150 in the enduro category even though it only has 150mm of travel.
I'm surprised the Ripmo didn't fall into your Enduro category. I guess 64.9 HT is not the Sentenal 63, but what is the SB150, 64.5?
When you ride the Ripmo back to back with proper enduro bikes, it doesn’t ride the same. It feels much more like an all mountain bike. Plus the rear travel fits squarely in the all-mountain category.
That trail at 9:50! Flowy af.
Is such a good one!
soooo... is my Vitus Sentier Hartail just for pump tracks? :D They don't even bother with one hard tail :(
Hardtails added one too many layers of complexity for this video. We try to keep them as simple and short as possible. We will have to make a hardtail video in the future.
Fantastic channel! I would really like to know your opinion on the 2021 Specialized Stumpjumper. I was on the brink of ordering one, but the review from Guy Kesteven set my feet back on the ground. It became an Orbea Occam vs Stumpjumper quest, can you help me out?
We don’t carry Specialized at the shop. We won’t be able to get one for a review. I can vouch for the Occam though. Such a fast bike.
@@bikersedge My bad, thanks for the response. My fear is that the Occam is too much bike for my trails and the SJ could be a bit snappier, but not sure...
@@btentusscher We've done a handful of videos on the Occam including a full review. Check those out if you want to get a better feel for the bike. While it's 140/140mm it rides way more like a trail bike than an all-mountain bike.
@@bikersedge I saw every video about the Occam, yours are great! I got very bad news today, delivery date of the Occam: may 2022!! Shocking…
@@bikersedge Hi again! I found an Occam H10 in stock! The one concern I have is the weight of this alloy version in XL, I don't want to drag a truck around. What do you think? Other option is maybe a Canyon Neuron carbon bike that became available. Hope to hear from you soon!
So Bikers Edge where does in your opinion the Bronson MX fall into????
I’d put it in the AM category. Probably on the aggressive side of AM
Can you ride flowy trails and big jumps on a trail bike?
Not allowed. 😂
I prefer jumping on a trail to all mountain bike. Poppy enough without being sketchy on rough landings.
Hola buen dia,podrían poner subtítulos en español,solo una sugerencia.
I race enduros on a trial bike, (revel rascal) and its generally ok lol
I raced an enduro on a trail bike and got my butt kicked.
Rascal is mini enduro. I owned the rail and rascal and they are so similar in capability.
@@bikersedge So do I but thats more my fault than the bike. Definitely the bike is capable to hang and win in my category (even though I am not lol).
You covered everything except hardtails.
They also fall within their respective categories. We tried to find a good way to include them but It wasn't working in this video.
Would the Bronson fall in the all mountain category?
Sure would!
I love my new 2021 Yt izzo blaze
YT are nice, they've had a lot of Jeffesy and Capra model bikes instock lately but I couldn't get past their warranty issues and lack luster service that plauges them in the US. Still nice bikes for the price though.
how about mojo hd5? where would that be
It probably blurs the lines between enduro and all mountain.
I’m having a hard time pulling the trigger on a new bike. I have 3500 and don’t wanna waste it on the wrong bike
3500 should be able to get you something pretty solid. I’d look at some alloy full suspension bikes. The Giant Trance X comes to mind.
When are we going to start seeing motors on dh bikes? Winch your way to the top and bomb the downhills.
Some of the e bikes are getting close. The Santa Cruz Bullit isn’t far off.
Specialized kenevo
@9:48 What trail is this?
Bobsled in SLC
XC
i just wanna know what trails you are riding
All over Utah in this video.
Is the Santa Cruz Hightower considered a trail bike?
I’d call it an all mountain bike personally.
@@bikersedge thank you for the reply.
I am trying to decide between the Santa Cruz Tallboy and Santa Cruz Hightower. A lot of reviews say these two are a bike they would choose if they could only have one bike as they do everything decently well. Do you feel this is true and if so which one would you pick?
@@MrJkillahoe415 I think trail bikes and all mountain bikes are the most versatile bikes. They’re both great “one bike” options. The Tallboy will suit someone who likes to climb and rides flowy trails and the Hightower will suit a more aggressive descender.
@@bikersedge thank you for the reply! I absolutely love the channel, super helpful!
@@MrJkillahoe415 hey thanks for the kind words!
Are emtb's accepted on your trails around there?
Depends on the trail network. They’re becoming more and more accepted though.
What type of MTB should I buy? The one that's available
Ha. You’re not wrong right now.
Unless you race (XC, Enduro, Downhill), you probably don't want to buy a "race" specific bike. And, that leaves only two types of bikes. That would be the Downcountry bike like the Transition Spur and the All-Mountain bike like the Ibis Ripmo. The Downcountry bike would be light weight and have a 120mm fork and 100-120mm rear travel. The All-mountain bike would be more stout and have a 160mm fork and 137-150mm rear travel. Interestingly, both bikes would have similar geo--- ~76* STA, ~66-65* HTA. To me, buying anything in between in the Trailbike category like the Trek Fuel EX is a fail. It's not light-weight nor does it have much travel. Either go light-weight and accept less travel. Or, get significant travel and accept more weight.
this does not make a lot of sense - everything scales: trail bikes have more travel than Downcountry, but are lighter than All-Mountain
after reading your comment, you make it seem like trail bikes are as heavy as 150mm travel bike - this is not true
2021 Giant Trance 27.5 ( I hate 29s) aluminum ( I hate carbon ) .... I know , I'm a hater , can't help it .
Stumpy?
Not sure. Not too familiar.
What about the category of agresive hardtails you don't say nothing
Hardtails fit into their respective categories. We couldn’t find a way to include them in this video in a concise way.
Trance 29 is 115 mm trail bike
Agreed. And somehow the Trance X is a 135mm trail bike as well.
@@bikersedge Trance X is rad !! It’s a great time to be a mountain biker
Uh oh.... Where does my Santa Cruz Chameleon fit in? ;)
In the sore knees and back category. Ha.
I am very hairy!
Probably better off on an enduro bike then.
That beard will slow you down !!
The beard makes me 107% faster. Proven by science.
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@@bikersedge Now if I could just find a Ripmo XL Jade X SLX version. I'm on lists everywhere but feels like I'm at the DMV sitting paitently in line behind 1,374,916 other people. 🤣
It’s actually 1,374,917 people. I just got in line.