Johnny Depp and Amber Heard - A warning for those in a Toxic Relationship
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- Listening to the audio released between the couple makes me suspect that Borderline Personality Disorder may be a factor. Either way, the apparent picture that is forming should serve as a warning of what can happen when you start to exit a toxic relationship.
Links below. Note, I prefer to link to Dr Grande's channel rather than more speculative media outlets where possible. However they may not give the actual source. However, a simple google search will bring up other sources for you.
Dr Grande's take on Depp/Heard: • Johnny Depp-Amber Hear...
Dalia Dipollito case: • The Curious Case of Da...
Dr Grande's take on Jody Arias case: • Jodi Arias Murder Case...
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Heard's divorcing of Depp two days after his mother's death is a serious red flag pointing to narcissism, possibly on the malignant end. No decent woman would engage in such malice of discarding her man during his weakest moments, and then torturing him in the marriage with acts like pooping on his bed, nearly cutting off his finger, punching him and even trying to control his access to friends.
I actually heard that he wanted the divorce right after him mom's funeral, and she just rushed to beat him to the punch...
My ex the night go my fathers funeral attacked me on how she was neglected at the funeral and I was difficult to live with.Talk about red flag it took another 5 years for me to realise her BPD and narcissism.
I had a friend who I now know was a narcissist. She continually undermined my confidence, making constant critical remarks. She began a relationship but she constantly criticized and argued with the guy and he ditched her for someone else. She was then determined to split him up from his new girlfriend so pretended to be pregnant. This did not work and she pretended she had a miscarriage. Angry because her plan had failed, she turned her attention on me and deliberately ruined my evenings out for 6 months. Eventually, on Christmas Eve she said something so nasty that it completely ruined my Christmas with my family and knocked me into a severe depression for 3 months. After I dropped her she began trying to hoover me back by love bombing me, insisting that she hadn't meant to do this, and it was because she was upset that her boyfriend had left her. I began writing her letters and eventually managed to outwit her and prove that what she had said was a lie. Face to face she was always able to gaslight me and leave me confused and unbalanced. When she made the nasty remark it was like her mask had come off and I came face to face with the real her and her real opinion of me. Unless you have been in this situation it is difficult to explain how lethal these people are. I believe that the Johhny Depp case is going to shed a light on how these people operate and how deceptive and manipulative they are. Amber Heard is bisexual and is currently in a relationship with a woman. It has been suggested that because of her bisexuality she has gained support because she fits a certain agenda. Could this be the reason she has now chosen to have a relationship with a woman?
It sounds like you were definitely a source of supply for a Narcissist, and experienced the retaliation of threatening to take that supply away and upset the balance. I hope you've managed to distance yourself from it, but also try not to stay resentful or angry. What you are seeing is someone not coping with their own pain, and using others to sooth it.
As for the Johnny Depp thing, it's possible she could be using sexulity to gain support. If she is suffering from NPD, then it's likely that whatever is presented to the world is a false manifestation used to get a specific outcome.
@@midlifemeltdown9028 Yes, I was definitely a source of narcissistic supply. Unfortunately I befriended this person during a low point in my life when a number of things had gone wrong. This had left me particularly vulnerable. I became aware early on that she did not behave in a way most people would and would make critical comments. At the time I had put on a bit of weight (which I have since lost) and I was a few years older than her. She made critical remarks about this. I was reluctant to break off with her because she was fun to be with on night's out and I had no other friends to go out with at the time. I believe that her game plan was to push me over the edge (which she did) then hoover me back. She had not expected me to have the strength to drop her and then the intelligence to outwit her and prove that she was a liar. She and I exchanged letters for 5 months. Then she wrote to me again 18 months later, which is when I proved to her that she had lied. Six years later she rang my sister and said she had regretted what she had done and that she now realized what a good friend I was. She later wrote to me again, saying she regretted what she had done, and surely after all this time I should have forgiven her. I simply replied that I did not believe what she had said was the truth and that in order to be friends with people you have to be able to trust them. The trust had gone. I never heard from her since. I regained my confidence and made another really good friend. I am not resentful or angry - in fact I had great satisfaction in proving her wrong in letters; in black and white she had no power to flummox or gaslight me. Last year I watched a you tube programme about narcissists by accident and immediately recognized her as a narcissist. I began comparing this with another incident which happened some years before this. On someone's suggestion I went to stay at a pub for a few days. The landlady was the sister of a man I used to work with. Unfortunately the woman was aggressive and critical towards me from the word go. After 2 days I was relieved to get out of the pub and I was on the verge of tears. The woman then seemed to have a complete transformation of character. She tried be friendly, saying she was sorry that she had upset me and had made a mistake; she looked forward to seeing me again. I never returned. I compared both incidences. Both people pushed me over the edge then tried to hoover me back for narcissistic supply. The way to look at things is not to think 'woe is me' but to say 'what did this experience teach me'. Up until now narcissistic abuse has largely been hidden. Thankfully, these days, it is easy to record this kind of abuse.
@@susangavaghan congrats for finally making it out of their bubble. these ppl believes they are the epitome of control that no one can outsmart them. theyre always the victim thats their default narrative so
dont be fooled. these are one of her tactics they are veryy smart but not smart enough to outsmart justice. shes been fooling herself
@@midlifemeltdown9028 I have listened to those tapes on numerous channels. I was married to someone just like Amber Heard. I acknowledge so many similarities, it's disturbing. She even used the same language as my ex. Johnny was suffering from emotional abuse. Like my ex, she's an emotional vampire and she literally drained the life out of him. Remember when Johnny looked like death warmed over well that is why. There was a time when I looked this way. As a matter of fact, I unintentionally lost 40 pounds in six months, I looked like I was dying. I don't believe Johnny or I were saints in these relationships. However, and I can only speak for myself, I never intended to hurt my ex or anyone else and I believe Johnny felt the same way. I've never wanted to hurt my ex, I loved him. The thing is, now I know I loved who he was pretending to be, not who he really is. Did we deserve the abuse, HELL NO. I DON'T THINK ANYONE DESERVES THIS HELL. I hate using the word triggering, but these tapes are very "triggering" for me to listen to. They stir up so much emotion, I feel like I'm right back in that situation, like a flashback I was told. I hated being told I'm dealing with PTSD or CTSD. I feel that I'm not worthy of that diagnosis. The brave people who protect our country are. It's very difficult for me to understand that having been in a toxic, abusive relationship can lead to having PTSD or CPTSD just like someone that has gone to war. What right do I have to suffer from PTSD or CPTSD as a result of my abusive relationship, when these men and women literally risk their lives for us? On another note, when Johnny said, "You don't exist, you never did," I remember telling my ex exactly the same thing. Think of what it would be like to realize one day that the person you were in love with, with whom you made a life and planned your future did not exist. It was an act to get you to fall in love with them and you actually thought they loved you back, but they never did. It's life shattering and turns your whole world upside down. Everything you thought you knew to be true you start to doubt, you are so confused that you no longer know which way is up. It is a complete torture and HELL.
I haven't watched or listened to any of the Johnny Depp videos, been putting off watching them, I think I've intentionally stayed away from them to avoid being triggered. I completely agree with the acquired "super power" you mention of being able to very quickly identify the unhealthy behaviors we were previously blind to, I can totally relate. Leaving a toxic relationship is so difficult and complicated, because of the emotional, mental and physical toll it takes. It completely turns your world upside down, but makes you a much stronger and more balanced person once you're on the other side. I hope you're doing well :-)
My guess is you won't find the audio too triggering. They aren't really fights as such, more one sided, and I'd describe them as more borderline symptoms, and more infantile.
I'm not doing too badly. Hope you are doing well too:)
exactly, down is up and up is down
It made me very angry. It’s triggering because it’s familiar in particular relationships I’ve been in.
As the male in the relationship, you are presumed guilty. And that is why many men are speaking up. They are victimized by their partner, then by the law, and then by society who ridicules them.
I'm not 100% certain I agree. Having had law involved a few times in my old relationship, I would say I was treated fairly evenly. My perception was that the police could tell what was going on. I do think there is a general perception that domestic abuse is mostly a male thing, although I'd suggest the stats probably support that. However, I do think there are reasons that might be. It's something I'll probably make a video about fairly soon.
Don't forget the feminists that say 'males are emotionally retarded' and then mock us for being weak when we get upset about something (male tears anyone?). They are bullies, plain and simple.
Maybe if you'd all stop raping and killing women you wouldn't be presumed guilty
I hope this Johnny Depp relationship truly opens up society's eyes that men truly experience abuse I firsthand experienced the effects false allegations covert narcissist instigating reactions and using them to their advantage I spent two years in the penitentiary it happens every day men are automatically assumed guilty the woman is a victim and the expression of our emotions is capitalized in use against us we're crazy and they're not
Really sorry to hear that you actually spent time locked up! I feared the same fate myself towards the end, but was more fortunate. I'm definitely not a fan of the 'believe women' movement, as it assumes that half the population aren't capable of deceit. I hope we can get to a point in society where we listen to all accusations equally and apply due process dispassionately.
I agree but he did say some really disturbing things about wanting to kill her, set her on fire or something and then having sex with her corpse. I don't know if he was on drugs or what, but that really rubbed me the wrong way.
@@卩丨尺卂卂-d8u Put it in the proper context pls. He never said those words out loud but in a private text to a friend who knew what Johnny was going through with Amber. You think Amber didn't do the same to Johnny? We all get mad at someone and vent our frustrations to the people who understand us and support us through difficult times. Johnny later texted back regretting such words because he loved that fake narcissist. No matter his angry words HE DID NOT ABUSE HER!
@@dontstandsoclose I agree, but apparently the audio going around used as proof of her being the abuser was actually edited? Someone just showed me the full version and it is said his lawyers edited the audio taking out several parts of Johnny Depp threatening Heard.
@@卩丨尺卂卂-d8u I had misgivings concerning this as well but I have seen the part of the text before and after those comments. It was macabre humor. But he also said that he would never hurt her and that he loved her. His friend had commented about it but sarcastically. And then Johnny responded. He then said how much he loved her and would not never hurt her.
I had to pause this video a few times because theres almost a...haunting look on your face where it's obvious you're recalling memories that are painful for you and it was hard for me to look at that...but I wanted to finish it not only for my own information but to give you the due respect of putting out cautionary videos like this even if its painful for you to try and prevent anyone that listens from being in the danger and traumatic situation you were in...and that's amazing to me. Thank you 🖤
Yeah, my first thought she is a borderline. Borderlines can fight for hours and they won't let you get away. Sadly, bpd runs in my father's side of the family and many of my bpd relatives do this.
Hey mate. Yeah, I've just gone down the JD & AH rabbit hole over the last 3 days. The tapes are carbon copy of the experience I had with my Borderline ex. Bloody Chilling. JD references BPD in a text with Dr K and there is a document that says AH is a diagnosed Borderline. Funny thing was, I could see that well before I stumbled on those documents. Heavy Duty. You're doing great work with your vids mate, thanks from a survivor and thriver. Peace
I hadn't realised there had been mention of BPD diagnosis which is very interesting. Definitely seemed very similar to my experience of arguments and hard to listen to. Glad to hear you are doing well!
@@midlifemeltdown9028 I felt sick to my stomach listening to those tapes. I saw my own relationship with someone I believe may be a covert narcissist, brooding, quiet, and mysterious. I don't think there's enough info about them out there. When I was doing my therapy I thought there was no way my ex was a narcissist and when the mask cracked once, I reassured him he was not one. Once I learned more, I do believe that shoe fits. Listening to AH & JD calls triggered me and made me feel gross for such an invasion of privacy (which JD has long valued). At first, I was afraid I was the "AH" because I would talk a lot and do codependent things like pleading, bargaining, explaining, etc. He could sleep like a baby and I was riddled with anxiety trying to shapeshift every which way to understand what was wrong in the relationship.
I was discarded a year after my mom died, a year of hell that he spent finding and setting his new supply in place while I sank into a depression due to my grief and issues with him. Eventually, I saw a letter to the new supply that read exactly as one he had given me TWENTY years ago, dedicating the same song, etc (kind of how you said your ex invited someone to a pool). I was so revolted, I finally stopped trying anything and set up boundaries to make my exit and facilitate his. Since all I wanted was clarity and peace, I became greyrockish and he became scary, volatile, and a simple divorce became an ordeal.
I hated that last year of the relationship, being with him made my grief over my mom worse. I felt like a headless body wondering about, but as you say in your comparison to "The Matrix" videos, I would never trade my awareness for the ignorance and shared delusion I had in the relationship.
Recently, I watched a video from Theramin Trees about living with abusers, and how sometimes we obsess in watching recovery videos, but the reason he gave resonated with me. After a long time feeling invalidated, these videos and research provide a great way to validate our experience. There is a lot of terrible channels, as you say, but as you sift through them, you get insight and find what works for your own recovery. I find Dr. Grande, Dr. Ramani , Dr. Daniel Fox, the Surviving Narcissism channel with Dr. Les Carter, and Theramin Trees great resources. for my healing. I want to thank you too for your dedication and bringing a perspective from the "survivor" that I can actually relate to. I can tell you have done a lot of hard work. When you said certain videos helped you empathize with your ex way too much, it really spoke to me. I had never heard anyone say that, and I needed to hear it because I felt the same and I go back to feeling very sad for him. Again, a very sincere thank you, I wish you all the very best.
A divorce 2 days after a death in the family is heartless. I'm usually on the woman's side but not this time.
I agree on two points
1, im sure that someone can be a mix of bpd and npd im sure my ex was .
2, if at all possible leave the relationship on good terms the best you can . Once a disordered partner lets the mask drop they can set out to destroy you
Definitely a mix is possible. BPD and NPD seem to be commonly comorbid. And I completely agree on leaving on the best terms possible, if only for your own protection and sanity.
I wish people took this serious
Yes, once you realize who these people are and decide to leave, you must use caution, especially if you can't go full on "no-contact". Treat it like war and remove all your emotion and strategize, plain and simple. Make them think nothing's changed and that the relationship hasn't changed, while protecting and covering yourself at every turn, until you really can get 100% away from them, physically, mentally, and emotionally, into safety.
She is definitely a cluster B.
Johnny Depp is also dysfunctional.
This is probably why they first "connected".....but also why it became toxic and volatile.
Without a doubt. From what I've seen, I'd be extremely surprised if she hasn't been/would be diagnosed with BPD. They definitely seemed toxic together, although for a short period of time which might indicate it either got that bad quickly, or one of them may have been fairly stable.
He was abused growing up, it doesn’t surprise me. Amber really tailored himself to what he likes, too.
@@riana4180 what do you mean she taylored herself?
@@卩丨尺卂卂-d8u she pretended to like all the same things he liked. Movies, books, music, art etc. she changed the way she dressed. She just became what she thought was the ideal girl for him, in order to get him.
@@riana4180 was this something he or someone close to him said or just fan speculation?
As always, your insight and awareness are truly amazing. You see these things from the way so many of us have lived it. Thank you!
Thanks Amy. I think it just takes being exposed to something for a really long time to be super aware of it.
I had an ex-housemate who was diagnosed with BPD and when I heard the audio of Amber, it brought back memories of this person, there are similar behaviours, I was targeted by this person because of a perceived wrong and it has taken years to sort through the psychological abuse put upon me. I was not the only one affected by her behaviour but she was able to manipulate others to see me in a different light so I started questioning who I was, and realised that because I'm empath, I was vulnerable to her manipulation, lies and gaslighting, I knew she had problems with abandonment so I put up with her behaviour for a long time. I see some of this in the information I have read about the relationship between Amber and Johnny.
I think without a doubt she displays a number of symptoms of BPD. Im not sure about NPD, but BPD for sure in my opinion.
@@midlifemeltdown9028 BPD's are also narcissistic (they have overlapping characteristics, like entitlement, manipulation, and overall predatory tendencies). Their main difference seems to be the emotional dis-regulation (in BPD).
The Jodi Arias case came up linked to all this debacle with Amber Heard.
I don't know how many similarities there are between the two. But I still find it hard to watch the Jodi Arias trial footage.
Wow you called it two years ago, that she may be borderline
I think it was probably already mentioned by then, I can't remember. Either way the signs are unmistakable if you've lived with a BPD suffer.
My ex wife had the same narratives as Amber heard, the same looks, the same "I might have stabbed you but you went in a mood with me once for 3 minutes so you are the abusive one" scenario, the isolating, the crazy submissive flying monkeys and the sheer injustice of how the legal processes treat you. My ex narc viciously assaulted me in my sleep so bad I had to be photographed, she was jailed and bailed with strict no contact, the following evening the police came and said "just let her back in the home as she needs to get the kids to school etc"! A year later she pretended to have a female police officer waiting to arrest me for rape, which was so totally untrue, she also had meetings with ex girlfriends, ex mother in laws and charmed them all into a narrative that I was a dominator. She also had sex with a police officer resulting in me being arrested on a fake assault charge where I spent 4 months on jail. I cursed God for all of this as I met my ex narc through the church, I could have ended myself such was the sheer weight of injustice, lies, abuse and she just kept on winning. 5 years later its still raw but I've met a younger, more beautiful empath girl who is so much more than my ex narc (who I thought I would never get over)
I have realised the only way to win is not play, also narcs use others to oppress you, cut them off also as they never cared cause if they did they would not have been so quick to accept the false narrative
After release from jail I worked in an office with 2 female narcs at the same time, this was also painful at times but they both eventually left as they knew no supply was to be had
You are 100% correct. It almost took me to the grave.
really sorry to hear that. Hope all is ok now.
You are spot on. I had to go no contact to protect myself. He became so vindictive & scary in the end. Literally tried to destroy me. I nearly had a nervous breakdown. No contact and my twin sister saved my life.
You're right on target with all of this. There's a huge community of us on Twitter who are supporting Johnny Depp bc of our experiences with narcs. All of us could care less about "celebrity" or gossip too. I wish you would join us there (my username is the same). Greg Ellis is with us, too; his recent book The Respondent chronicles his hellish experience leaving a narcissist. Thank you for this video #justiceforjohnnydepp
I was in a toxic relationship. For years I stay. Not realising how bad it was. Until one day, he gave me sign. What happened I told him how he made me feel and he smiled at Me. When I told him I am done. He didn't fight for me too stay. My ex kept shouting so much so he turn red in face and come up close to me kept shouting, he would spite in on my face, there was times I felt like he was going to hit me. Everytime he would shouting at me. I walk away. And leaving him was best thing I ever did. I know why his others ex girlfriends left him. Like me they did everything for him and he was never happy. He seriously needs help.
The big issue is this .... courts police doctors social workers etc haven't a clue and certainly do not understand such "relationshits"
NO TRAINING WHATSOEVER
I am actually ashamed of having to admit I have been in abusive relationships not once but twice. None of them were physical , but very emotionally and psychological harmful.I also found it kind of traumatising watching the case Heard/Depp, since even though in this case the abuser seems to be a female, to much of her behavior I recognise. I was in an ugly custodybattle after divorcing the father of my children. The battle became ruthless from his side, with changing of fact (often in a very subtle and clever way) false evidence, false witnesess and pure lies. He even admitted to it when we were alone. I asked him how he could lie like that, wereby he answered me " because we are in a war" It lasted for years and caused alot of suffering. When I was as most vulnerable a person I knew from decades back, came to "rescue" me. We had a short romance in my teens, but I ended it because of his criminal record. Not only because of it, but I felt something was "fake" with him. He tried many times during the years to get me back, and I still don't know if he hade vengance in mine all along. There are things pointing that way. He anyhow showed so much understanding and compassion, and was very helpful with alot of things. Now of course I realise it was all false, and maybe in my gut even then. But he had a very different persona from my exhusband, who kind of had the arrogant and patronising behavior written on him. I mean he was not an open and "friendly" charactair in that way. And my mistake was to think that because this man showed such a compassionate and sharming "outside" he would not be of the same kind. Little did I know he was far worse. Really, he ended up being a schoolexample of a narcissistic, even psycopathic personality. I don't claim to have the competence to diagnose anybody, but he did show proofs of almost all the traits. And it all came very sudden. I started finding out he was cheating, and I think he wanted me to. During one month time I was put through tremendous gaslightening and pure evil emotional abuse. He gaslighted me, and then tried to make me think I was mentally ill. He was very IT skilled and had been educated in technology, and I found out he had been tracking my every move for three years, spying on my messages and e-mail, listening to my phonecalls and tracking my gps. He had even read my diary. He started to do things with my computer that was very obvious he was doing and then denying it, telling me I was paranoid. I found textmessages, HE left open for me to see very I saw he hinted to his friends I was disturbed. He locked me out from my social media, my e-mails, my accounts, even when I changed password of made new accounts. He changed my words and messed with messages I tried to send to friends, in a way that made me look as I was under the influence or mentally ill. Finally he even locked me out from my computer and phone. He gave me a mobil he had, but he made crazy stuff with it. I started to see messages he wrote hinting "to take me out" messages that then was deleted. I went to the police, put somehow the things he was doing, even I could see it made me look crazy. Finally when the messages kept showing up I changed lock on my door. I told him in advance. He was then working in another city. He ended up bringing the police. Telling them I was suicidal and mentally instable, and that he worried because I had minors home. My sons were 16 and almost 18 at the time, and not home. The Police believed him and said it was his right to come in. Well fortunatelly he did not. I still remebered the smug on his face when he left. When he moved out the last things he said was, that he was going to "tell everybody" what I was like. He probably did. I was allready isolated and I have heard nothing from the friends we had in common. He completelh destroyed me. In the beginning I tried to reach out for help, but noone could really do anything. I think he is still keeping track on me. He was the one installing all technology. Almost two years has passed and I am still locked out from all social media and several of my accounts. I have had three computers and 16 phones, all locked our shutted down. For a time I could not make any telephonecalls and I can still not use a computer kn a normal. I do have proofs he falsified some documents and putted me in debts, but I simply don't have the strenght to go through what it takes to report it and maybe end up in court. He destroyed my finances, my career, my social life and my health. I was not thinking to write this much, but perhaps I can leave it as some kind of warning of how devasting a relationship like this can be. And on how easy it is to once again end up in the fire, when you allready are all covered in ashes.
In my opinion, you shouldn't feel ashamed to admit that you've been a victim twice. You recognise it, you are dealing with it, that means it's highly unlikely to ever happen again.
Your story is quite terrifying, and I agree, it would be great if it can serve as a warning to anyone struggling to make the tough decision to get out of a toxic relationship. Thank you so much for sharing, and good luck with your recovery!
Dr Grande really missed the mark on his analysis of the Depp/Heard issue. I would put my money betting that Dr Grande has an abusive male in his his history. Maybe his Mom was abused and he witnessed this? Idk, but he gives her WAY too much benefit of the doubt, while attributing too much blame onto Depp. He is clearly the victim here. And you're right, if you have been a victim, you instantly recognize Amber as the abusive party here
I see why my Dad never got out.
Really great video, thank you my brother! you have yourself a new sub x love to you
Thank you, although I no longer make videos. Thank you though anyway.
You just reminded me that I started collecting secret evidence against my ex when I decided to pull the plug. In the end I didn’t need to do anything nasty thank goodness. Except be insanely blunt when some hoovering began to happen around seven months after the fact.
It's a wise move
I think at this point, DV survivors need to start speaking up on a mass scale about what is & has been wrong with this whole situation & share their own stories. The signs were there when he started looking worse for wear & lost that spark in his eyes after getting with her. The way she grasped for attention, got loud about being a "victim", got her flying monkeys on board, how quickly she moved on, the way she spoke to him are all typical actions of an abuser. On the other hand, his silence & the way he's dealt with the aftermath, the fact that he now looks healthy, how he responded to her in those recordings are all actions of a victim/ survivor. This is why sok many survivors have continued to back him because it's so painfully obvious to those who've been through it. We should start speaking out & bring awareness to these things so that other victims & those around them can recognize true abuse for what it is & help eachother get out, move on & heal.
I remember seeing him on a chat show in the UK before all this happened and thinking he looked like he had become an alcoholic. He had put on loads of weight, was slurring his words quite badly, and I remember saying he was struggling with demons.
The difficult thing with being in an abusive relationship, is that it's difficult for people outside to reach you. I know my own family had been discussing it for some time, but knew that trying to force the topic would send me in the wrong direction.
It's such a strange prison of the mind.
"Prison of the mind" is a really accurate statement. I was in it for yrs trying to figure out why there were these problems & why they wouldn't change. Why he refused to see what he was doing wasn't right. It wasn't until I'd finally convinced him to go to therapy with me & the therapist told me about narcissism that everything clicked. I started reading forums & psych articles after that, but it still took 3 more yrs & him crossing the final line to make my move. I was stubborn & uselessly hopeful. On the outside, there were little remarks from ppl to him & me that looking back now, some of them knew something was wrong, but didn't openly acknowledge or dare say "you need to get out". I really wish they had because maybe my eyes would have been opened a lot sooner.
I know the feeling exactly. It took me pretty much exactly 3 years from what I would call the 'awakening' stage thought to finally leaving the relationship. I wonder if there is a common them on how long it takes to exit if we were to survey a group of abuse survivors.
I honestly don't know if I wish my friends and family had said something sooner. I think in reality if they had, I'd have probably sided more with my ex, as hard as that is for me to think about.
Toxic relationship I was in for 14 years.
i have bee in two toxic relationships ouch. never sought counseling
How do you feel you are now? Do you think you have develop the skills/behaviours to avoid them in the future?
I would recommend therapy to you to break the cycle if you’ve been in more than one of these toxic relationships. Not enough men are encouraged to go to counselling.
You were spot on
I have listened to those tapes on numerous channels. I was married to someone just like Amber Heard. I acknowledge so many similarities, it's disturbing. She even used the same language as my ex. Johnny was suffering from emotional abuse. Like my ex, she's an emotional vampire and she literally drained the life out of him. Remember when Johnny looked like death warmed over well that is why. There was a time when I looked this way. As a matter of fact, I unintentionally lost 40 pounds in six months, I looked like I was dying. I don't believe Johnny or I were saints in these relationships. However, and I can only speak for myself, I never intended to hurt my ex or anyone else and I believe Johnny felt the same way. I've never wanted to hurt my ex, I loved him. The thing is, now I know I loved who he was pretending to be, not who he really is. Did we deserve the abuse, HELL NO. I DON'T THINK ANYONE DESERVES THIS HELL. I hate using the word triggering, but these tapes are very "triggering" for me to listen to. They stir up so much emotion, I feel like I'm right back in that situation, like a flashback I was told. I hated being told I'm dealing with PTSD or CTSD. I feel that I'm not worthy of that diagnosis. The brave people who protect our country are. It's very difficult for me to understand that having been in a toxic, abusive relationship can lead to having PTSD or CPTSD just like someone that has gone to war. What right do I have to suffer from PTSD or CPTSD as a result of my abusive relationship, when these men and women literally risk their lives for us? On another note, when Johnny said, "You don't exist, you never did," I remember telling my ex exactly the same thing. Think of what it would be like to realize one day that the person you were in love with, with whom you made a life and planned your future did not exist. It was an act to get you to fall in love with them and you actually thought they loved you back, but they never did. It's life shattering and turns your whole world upside down. Everything you thought you knew to be true you start to doubt, you are so confused that you no longer know which way is up. It is a complete torture and HELL.
Thank you so much for speaking your mind on this. I'm in a toxic relationship myself!!! And I understand a good portion of what's going on between them, at least I think from my perspective and experience. I even joined a Facebook support group for men dealing with this very same issue. Because there are a lot of us willing to speak up about our own abuse and the abuse that we did as well perceived or not. That's where the evidence comes in very very handy.
But the evidence can also be used as therapy!! BPD and most of the cluster B pathology is very treatable, over time. The relationship maybe salvageable depending on how much insight and responsibility both parties are willing to take. Don't get me wrong, it's still going to be a bumpy ride to say the least!
Either way! Abuse by either sex should just not be tolerated. Women fought for the right to be equal, let's give it to them. Women need to be held just as responsible/ liable / accountable for the abuse they have suffered and inflicted just as men are! And I am very glad that men are willing to speak up and let their stories be told so that things can be equalized to eaze everyone's suffering!
I'm glad youve found it useful. I think for sure there is a difference in general on how toxic relationships and abuse impact different genders. There are a few of us men out there talking about it, but it is something I'm conscious and hope I can share more of.
I also agree that I think there is slightly more hope of treating BPD that there is NPD. I think by nature, BPD is more of a 'regulation' issue, whereas NPD is more of a developed personality. I hope if you are trying to work through a relationship with a BPD sufferer, you are able to approach is calmly and rationally. It can be turbulent to say the least.
@@midlifemeltdown9028 I forgot to mention that I really like doctor Grande's videos myself. He has helped me understand a lot more of the conditions. Dr. Carter from the surviving narcissism channel is also a very good source of information on how to deal with narcissism and the cluster B mentality.
Agree, Dr Grande is one of my favourite sources, and helped me out significantly. I know I certainly needed as litte drama as possible during the most emotional stages, and his videos were right on the money.
Love your videos I was wondering whether you would react to the ongoing court case if not I wish you a wonderful day
I think there are probably too many people already analysing every aspect of it. It's an aspect of youtube I'm really not a fan of. My personal take from what I've seen remains pretty much the same. Like my own previous toxic relationship, both hold some responsibility for not making the adult decisions needed. However, in my opinion, there is clearly evidence against one part being physically abusive. My perception is that party is also clearly emotionally manipulative and has a proven historic record of similar issues. The behaviour on display is a little too close to behaviour I've experienced for comfort.
Thank you
Very interesting and Intellectual program right is right and wrong is wrong change your lifestyle and feel so much better
Thank you very much I just they just left a toxic lifestyle and that’s all there is to say I think until you start Jesus or until you change your life or get away from toxic people or whatever meditate or whatever it takes I think then you can truly be happy thank you have a good day😊
Great post❤️ I hope this video finds the people who need (or a ready to) hear it.
Thank you Becky.
Be like a scientist.Observe using cameras,hidden to find the truth.No one is a mind reader.Cut your losses.Use medical tests to save your health. Any cruel talks is a sign.Lack of kindness is a sign,just leave.
in this case, triangulation by Sister Whitney Heard. Whitney Heard manipulates his sister, many do not see it.
Why are narcissists so evil?
All i can say is #justiceforjohnnydepp
10:56 cat agrees
Hmmm, not sure you heard correctly. That particular cat rarely agrees with me. Mostly protests that food is not being retreived immediately.
Its very destructive
Rarely ur life can b normal for some time
When its over
Yup
New subscriber here. I find this topic fascinating as coming from the home of a borderline married to a narcissist. It’s made me very sensitive and I have seen things others have not. It puts a different spin on things because when it’s your family, you have to spend your beginning years of development in a black hole in which you cannot escape. People who get into these relationships can escape at their peril. Family members usually spend their lifetime walking a tightrope between boundaries (yours and theirs) from which even death doesn’t give escape. I envy those who have the option. But anyone who has even had to be around this environment is affected (my husband can attest to this) and good counseling helps.
I can only imagine what it's like to be involved in a family relationship like this. I've seen it as an in-law myself, but am truly thankful that my relationship was one of choice. I've always described the relationship of my ex and her parents as a black whole that destroys everything that gets caught in it's orbit. It took an enormous amount of energy to break free from it's orbit, but life is so much more normal now I've broken free.
I hope you are also in a positive place.
Excellent
That's what my gorgeous husband to be Johnny Depp did but she called him a baby for splitting
I hope we get to see pictures of the wedding!
@@midlifemeltdown9028 😂I was scrolling through the comments trying to learn more about narcs and then I came across this comment and reply 😂
Do you think depp could be a covert narcissist
Especially now having seen his behavior in court
I personally don't think so.
I had to pause this video a few times because theres almost a...haunting look on your face where it's obvious you're recalling memories that are painful for you and it was hard for me to look at that...but I wanted to finish it not only for my own information but to give you the due respect for putting out cautionary videos like this even if its painful for you to try and prevent anyone that listens from being in the danger and traumatic situation you were in...and that's amazing to me. Thank you 🖤