The Best Bike Pedal?
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2020
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I already rode mid-foot position, so these pedals give me more support. I like them.
I have been riding these pedals for about two years. I absolutely love them.
I have these and love them, after 25+ years on clipless.
I have a partial amputation of my left foot and so I have to ride mid foot and these were a life saver when I found them. I’ve been using them two years or so.
I have ridden with these pedals for a couple of years now. Commuter/ touring. Absolutely love them.
Simply put these are the best pedals that I’ve ever used. Ive been riding for 60+ years and based on the recommendation of my bike fitter I installed these pedals on my Riese & Muller NEVO GT ebike. I did so to improve the stability of foot/ankle and for improved power transfer. Both of which have been realized. I did have to lower my saddle height but did not adjust the fore/aft position. I have since put a pair on my Specialized Diverge with no toe problems. However I don’t see these as viable pedals for road bikes.
I've been riding these pedals for about 3 months now on mtb. My times on the trails I've been riding for years have dropped significantly and I no longer get hot spots on my feet since these have so much more support. I also agree that having a larger platform for the downhills inspires more confidence.
Long term user here and love these for their ability to let me have multiple foot positions which spreads the work over different muscle groups. I love the mid foot position for power, it recruits my hips and I can push up a hill in a much taller gear. If I need to spin it’s so easy to move my foot back and go nuts. Also being able to use pretty much any shoes I want is worth the extra $$. No need to spend heaps on cycling shoes so overall the cost is probably less.
What I like about the pedals is being able to change foot position.
It's like walking/running. When you are walking you are striking with the heel. When you are sprinting you are on the balls of your feet.
Pedaling slow I use the middle of my foot over the axle. When spinning fast I put the balls of my feet over the axle.
So far the "you have to keep your feet in one place" police haven't arrested me a drug me off in a straight jacket all the way to the funny farm.
Greg Kozak... Did you have any issues with the height of your saddle?
@@rickster6.0 Rick, No problems with saddle height at all.
For me,these pedals put me back on the bike. Due to nerve impingement that led to calf muscle degeneration that led to feet not working on SPD pedals at all anymore. I couldnt pedal with the ball of my foot,and I tried and tried.............somebody told me about these big honking catalyst pedals and voilah! 1 day on bike told me I was good to go. ...............................................That was 19 months ago and Ive not done less than 100 miles a week since I got going again on bike,sometimes 200 miles a week. It takes a little time but you get better and better at riding with big flat pedals. I ride with the foot maybe even further forward than most but Im used to it..................the toe overlap? I just work around it,when I know Im turning the wheel that much I get my toes out of the way..............so these pedals have been a great thing for me. Even if I could I dont want SPD's anymore,I go the same speed with these road or trail and its nice not having those cleats to deal with on or off bike.
brad sanders Same issue here after failed spinal surgery (cycling accident). I have these on all of my bikes (Rivendell, IF and Brompton) and would be lost without them.
@@peterforde9513 How are they on the Brompton? Any disadvantages?
Brad - They are terrific on the Brompton. Of course they do not fold so I simply carry a small Allen key to remove them when necessary. I tried the original pedals recently before a car/train/B&B trip and one short ride reconfirmed my love and need of the Catalyst pedals.
Brad - P.S. No toe overlap problem on the Brompton.
Thanks I’ve been waiting for this review👍👍
Money well spent for me. Only negative I have found is sometimes they have been too grippy. But I like that I can ride on these with just about any shoes I own, no problem.
I've owned a pair (and use them )for a couple years. love them.
I've had a pair on my hardtail since last November and I love them for all the reasons you mention- great for standing and pedaling, as well as for technical stuff where you need the grip. Also, as a newer rider, the minute I put these pedals on I felt more stability and, thus, confidence! I also have them on the gravel bike and, yes, there is some toe overlap on my size 48 frame-but only under those extreme circumstances (slow, tight turns). Hope you keep using these on your mountain bike. I'd be curious to see a longer term review of them.
I have two sets of these on different bikes and love them. Super comfortable. I've used them in BMX race, MTB, and gravel. Love them. I ride them with my foot only slightly more forward than typical.
I do Xfit and we lift weights. I was taught to use a mid foot stance, “push through my heels” in a squat, and to “feel the outside of my foot” to keep my knee from collapsing in. All of this engages the glutes more - the largest, most powerful muscle in the body.
A few years ago when I read about the long, mid-foot pedal design, it was like a lightbulb went off - I should be pedaling like I lift! I started riding mid-foot and haven’t looked back! I don’t own a pair, but my favorite “close approximation” is the MKS Lambda.)
I am a tall person with large frames so I don’t have issues with toe overlap. Even it is possible to overlap, it never bothers me while riding.
I'm all-in with the mid-foot position. I'm also fully on minimalist shoes for about the last 3 years or so. Although I got some Five Ten Freeriders specifically for biking. The grip is great, but I wish someone would make a shoe like that with a wide toebox.
I did try these on my old 1990s mtb, and my toes hit the front tire quite a bit, so I'd have to go with something else for that. But once you go mid-foot, there's no going back!
I always ride these pedals with a good quality sandal all year round!Never had foot problems!
I have been using Xero brand with the wide toe box for the last 4 years. Love them with the Catalyst Pedals.
I have a pair on a SWB recumbent (Giro Bacchetta) and I really like them. Great support and I do ride them in the middle of the foot as recommended. It took a couple rides to get used to but now it is second nature.
Add a dropper post. For me this and these pedals is perfection. So many options on the go.
Great review Russ. I had more than a few pedal strikes with these. Full disclosure, this was MTB on pretty gnarly trails.
Good review! I just keep imagining that one time I slip and that pedal swings around and hits me in the shin.
Thanks, I've been looking for wide mid foot pedal!!
I bought a pair of these a month back and have tried them on both my Specialized Stumpjumper Evo 29er and my Trek 920. They work great with both. No toe overlap on the 920 but I ride a 58 so plenty of clearance. I also didn't find any increase in pedal strikes on my Stumpy even on technical climbs. Ive always searched out the largest flats i can get because I prefer the mid foot position and these are definitely the ticket! Can't wait to try the Evo version when they come back into stock.
I recently put these on a Trek Dual Sport 2 (which also has Jones Loop Bars).
Love these pedals - and am considering the XL version of these.
Standing / climbing feels like you're on an elliptical machine.
(Disclaimer - I'm just doing party pace, very light trail / street riding)
Great review
Been riding these for a while now... over a year. I hate riding without them. I used to suffer from plantar fasciitis and was always exacerbated from riding on the ball of my foot. These stopped the pain after riding completely and may have even helped bring the plantar fasciitis to an end. I ride stiff MTB flat shoes, but can also use regular athletic shoes or Vans. I ride an XL Otso Waheela S and only get toe rubs if I’m going slow enough to have to turn super sharp. I’ve also found that I hate riding any pedal on the ball of my foot now. The mid foot feels so natural after getting used to it.
The people that say they get more pedal strikes aren’t making any sense. Pedal strikes happen with the width of the pedal... these aren’t any wider than any other flat pedals. If you’re getting pedal strikes from the length, you’re riding with your toes down... shouldn’t be doing that anyway... right???
Fantastic channel exactly supple life 👍
I have a pair of these and love them for mountain biking and gravel rides. I just did a snow ride with them and they constantly were getting iced over and very slippery. My 5-10s couldn't get a good grip at that point. I'll have to find a better winter pedal solution....otherwise I love em.
Glad you reviewed these. I thought I would get these but now I know I will not.
I've been torn between clipless and flat, and found the perfect solution -- the ROCKBROS MTB Platform SPD Mountain Bike Dual Function. I use the SPD side for grinding it out on smoother surfaces and the flat side for the gnarly descents.
At first i had to adjust looking at my thin tubed Steel Gravelbike with such huge flat pedals, but now i think it even looks cool! Those Issi pedals are not cheap though.
I'm guessing the mid foot position would take a lot of strain off the achilles tendon for people who suffer with that.
Reduces the calf muscle strain and tightness also
Yep, no more hot spots on the balls of my feet anymore either.
Rode cross country a few years back in sandals and flats, no problems. Still riding the same way, enjoying it 10 yrs later.
BTW, I see that Laura has left Adv Cycling.
I've found that placing the ball of my foot forward of the pedal spindle has gotten more comfortable and efficient. Reminds me of riding as a kid again.
So just run 'em through a time trap, Russ, and let us know, party pace plus or party pace minus. And thanks for telling us about these.
I am a US size 12 so it’s either pretty stiff shoes (spd) or these pedals. love them, I never bought into the more power thing being clipped but for me I think I have just been on spd so long I prefer it and feeling connected... also have developed some bad habits like cheating little hops with spd so switching back to flats on the mountain bike has been frustrating especially pedal strikes when leaned a bit and turning the cranks.... they catch rocks and roots more than the smoother narrower shape of my xt spd trail pedals (more of a glancing blow vs catching and a hard stop feeling) If you have large feet and ride flats get these it’s that simple, if you ride spd then it’s a little trickier to decide. Great videos keep them coming
I was an early adopter of these pedals. I had 2 pairs of the standard size and loved them on my ebikes, especially due to using zero drop shoes for my old arthritic ankles. They allowed me another 1500+ miles per year with the saddle adjustments and the whole foot experience. AND THEN, they came up with the XL version which are a huge improvement for my size 14 shoes and now I have them on my 2 ebikes and on my etrike. On the etrike I found that I could put straps(Power Grips) on the Catalyst Pedals, avoid leg suck and keep the Pedaling Innovation full foot position. As a taller rider, I have been lucky to avoid toe strike. YAY!
BTW, I am a road and rail trail rider only….no MTB/single track for me.
I tend to shift my foot on the pedals on longer rides. Not exactly mid-foot, but just enough to engage those muscles for a while. I think that I would like to give them a try.
That Bridgestone Partypace logo is sick!
Coming soon!
I concur
Would love to see a direct comparsion in power output between "normal" pedals and the catalysts.
part of riding a bike is to keep all part 's of the body healthy, I am from the old school that once we are older we do not want to pay for knee surgery. we use to start ridding and spin a very low gear sets to strengthen the knees before heavy stepping, but you can not spin with many revolution with a flat pedal, we use then toe clips, and learn to use the upwards pull on the leg, rather then just use the one stoke push down of the pedal. once we start ridding with straps and toe clips we are reducing shafting of the leg on the seat, and we have our knees aligned so we do not wear on the knee and hip joints. this way, once we are over the age of 55 we can pass even electric bikes with a gravel bike, or still get a work out on a bike riding it up steep hills.
I rode 1200 miles last year on the Tour Divide with these pedals. I find that I can climb as efficiently with them as with cleats. I see them as safer, since I can get my foot off of the pedal- it hurts when you fall down! They held up fine. One nice advantage is that when you use them, your seat height has to be lowered. But the pedal has room so you can shift your foot position on it and as a result how you're sitting on the saddle. I liked them so much I also have them on my full suspension MTB and my road bike although in the case of the latter my toes can engage the front wheel at low speeds in a turn. But its so much easier to make speed (once you get used to them); my cadence is a bit slower but has more torque.
I like the looks and wanna try them for the next summer bikepacking vacation on the GB divide in the UK but the red ones are out of stock :(
Hey Russ, thanks a bunch for the review. I would love to try these as I’ve had a few terrible falls when I couldn’t get out of my clips. I ride a Specialized Dolce 51” road bike. How would I know if there will be toe overlap?
One way to check is to pedal midfoot with your pedals now (arch over spindle) and see if your toe hits the wheel.
Hi! Here's the idea for budget mullet this year: microshift acolyte test with 8 speed Shimano/Sram dualcontrols? What would you say?
I've always used them on my fatbike that I ride in the winter. The bigger pedal is perfect for accommondating boots.
I use a mid foot position on my normal flat pedals. Also most cycling shoes also have a stiffer sole so I’m not sure what we’re gaining with these oversized pedals.
Just switched from clipless to Shimano XT8140s (L size). I miss being clipped in honestly and maybe would have preferred the smaller pedal (but who knows). Rode clipped in since '99 so an adjustment for sure. As I don't typically stop anywhere (I ride alone!) never bothered me to wear specific shoes. We'll see if I stick to them. This was from the video with the guy that didn't need to breathe while talking non-stop right?
Right now I'm using the current Shimano Deore XT pedals on my mountain bike. These pedals are huge compared to regular flats. I'ts nice having the extra support for wider hiking shoes and I do find myself using that mid foot position more often. If you can fit a larger pedal, by all means go for it. Just watch out for pedal strikes
Catalyst is longer, not wider. Longer means that both ends of your arches are supported. 99% of pedal strikes are rider error. IOW, pedal strikes are optional.
Im just now cycling back around to cycling. Pun intended. I've gone back to flats because of an old ankle injury. I'm also a big guy 6'5" about 280lbs so bigger flats are interesting to me. I may have to try those out.
I want to hear what you think, I'm roughly the same size. I have flat/clipless combination. Ride the flats equal amounts now that I'm old.
I see a lot of people in town riding with floppy shoes , rusty chains and low tire pressure. Looks like a real training pedal.
This channel is costing me some bucks but making my bikes great again. Recently picked up the tumbleweed handlebar, now these pedals are looking neat....
I am a big fan of these pedals! Why? Simple: I have big-ass. size 14, feet. I really like the support they give me. I've had the regular, non-XL, Catalysts on my old hardtail and I really like them. Yes, they are heavier than smaller pedals but, I'm heavier than many riders (6ft3in, 225lbs), I'm not a competitive racer, and I'm not worried about counting grams while on my bike, so the extra weight is ok. I've upgraded to a carbon frame, full-suspension and will give the XL's a try. I'm confident that I'll like those, too! BTW, I don't know what size shoe you're putting over the pedal. I'm pretty confident that my shoe would put that pedal in a better context and not make it look over-sized. Thanks for the review!!!
Always looking for large flat pedals for fat biking with big boots. Thanks for the review!
Just got myself a fattie. I think these petals will work great!
Hey Russ! I'd be curious to hear what you think about the MKS Grip Monarchs that came on your Riv and how they work with mid-foot pedaling...and how they compare to the ones in this video.
They're supportive but not as big or grippy as the Catalyst.
What flat pedal would you suggest for long distance road touring?
Fist off, really appreciate your recent deep dives into pedaling efficiency w/ vs. w/o clipless, and also truly love the channel! One thing that comes up for me as-former bike mechanic, who appreciates both styles of pedals, is that the efficiency of a good clipless system can’t be judged by just the pedal alone, but the pedal combined with a good stiff cycling shoe-where the two together become like a foot-length platform for pedaling. I look at that aspect as just important as the ability to “pull up” in a pedaling stroke, if not more so. So with that point of view, isn’t this large platform design also reinforcing the idea that a complete clipless pedal system of pedal + stiff shoe also result in high efficiency?
I guess it changes the axle position and how you push down on the pedal, but I agree with what you are saying. I used to ride in very casual commuter shoes but recently just got a new set of super stiff xc race shoes and they are way better, except for walking in.
They were much more reasonable when I got them a few years back when they had the price tag of $99.
Supply and demand, baby. Some shop in Asia will starting copying them soon.
I have a theory that tour de france riders should have a shoe that can clip in on the ball like normal.. but also clip in on the heel. So that when they're tired of working the same muscle groups for 19 days they lower their seats slightly (ideally with a dropper post) and pedal directly from the leg instead of through the medium of the foot
I cycle with my midfoot/arch anyway (I know I probably should use my toes). One consideration is how they fair when you fall off the bike (this happens to me every winter!) Pedals and handlebar grips seem to always take the brunt of the impact. My current cast metal Japanese pedals seem to be fairing pretty well so far, just a little bit mis-shapen on one side from a couple of tumbles. It looks like the ones you're reviewing are quite robust and sturdy.
I got these within a month of purchasing a new bike last fall and pretty much crashed every ride for a while-the pedals are scratched up a bit, but still going strong.
I don't know about the pedals, but damn that is a nice shirt.
I’ve been using catalysts and crocs for years - cycling nirvana.
You said you had to lower and put your saddle more forward. Did you change the stem, or did you feel like you would need to do some adjustments on the handlebars? Wouldve been awesome to see you trying these out on a turbotrainer and see the difference on your riding position. Any Cave of bad ideas coming up soon? Loved the intro and the series.
The whole 'move the saddle down and forward to accommodate mid-foot pedaling' idea has been rendered moot by dropper posts and the fact that catalyst pedals make off-the-saddle pedaling way more fun than seated pedaling. Standing is the default MTB position and worrying about finding an exact saddle position is a passe notion leftover from road biking.
@@gatoryak7332 Curious as to what percentage of your MTB riding time is in a standing position?
@@beagle249 Whenever I'm in fun terrain, I'm standing. Always standing while descending, jumping, dropping, cornering, etc. Always standing while going through flat or ascending technical terrain. I sit during the non-techical horizontal sections when I need to catch my breath. Percentage will vary depending on the trails I ride on a particular day. Overall, I'd say I'm standing 80-85% of my time on the MTB.
@@beagle249 I stand whenever the terrain is fun: descending, dropping, jumping, cornering, hopping, going up ledges, etc. I stand in technical terrain, be it ascending, horizontal, or descending. I sit when the trail is boring and I need to catch my breath. Percentages depends on the trails I'm riding that day. On my local mountain which is mostly technical, old-school single track, I guess that overall I stand 80-85% of the time.
Hey Russ, do you know if they plan on doing a composite?
Don’t know but that would be awesome.
I know this is an old vidoe but I watched this and with the cheap second hand ($10) composite pedals I own I tried the mid position. They are 100mm long so 20mm ahorther than the ones mentioned here but seem to be fine! I am ridong woth minimalist barefoot type shoes. Lowered the seat about 2cm. Only a little bit of toe over lap contact with the aluminium fenders on my Fuji Olympic 540 cm frame. It has immediately made my knee that started hurting since I bought this bike second hand and got into cycling again hurt much less!. Knee problem is probably from an old injury from minor motorcycle accident. Any way i think this mid position is great. Thanks for the info! Probably won't buy the very expensive pedals😅
I tried midfoot position today. It was an odd feeling, as my quads are usually the weakest link - they start to burn very fast, which is annoying. Now, I felt like someone had changed cogs to bigger or I somehow had gained strength. I could use 3rd sprocket and even some smallest cogs in the back, without an issue. I really haven't been able to do that. I felt some burn in my quads, but it was very minor. I noticed though that my cadence was a bit slower, and if I tried to spin, my quads started burning again.
All in all, I recommend people to try it. Unfortunately, these pedals are not sold in Europe, so I cannot purchase them for a try. My contemporary pedals are quite small, and dig into my shoes.
I'm actually pretty comfortable on standard flat pedals riding with somewhere between mid-foot and forefoot, but I wish it was easier to find pedals that were wide enough for size 13 shoes without my pinky toe falling off the edge.
have you tried dmr vault pedals? they're pretty wide
@@j1mbobable no, but I just looked up their specs and it looks like they are larger than any other pedals I own. Maybe that's my next buy.
Crank Brothers Stamp 1 pedal size XL work for me and I'm also size 13. They are a composite pedal. Around 50.00 dollars.
I had the dmr vaults, they are great super big. Had a lot of pedal strikes with them while cornering hard.
How would these pedals work for a person who has a knee that doesn’t bend as much as it should?
My general opinion is that the best pedal-shoe combination is the instantly comfortable one that provides efficient power transfer for the particular individual. Duh. Not rocket science. The word "instantly" is key and aligns with "party pace." People who want to ride fast resign themselves to getting used to the (initially awkward) riding position and components that have proven efficient for speed for more than a century,.
I don't think the pedals are overly expensive, especially since such a bomb-proof pedal should last a lifetime.
Just as some handlebars are praised for their multiple hand positions, it makes sense that a pedal which does likewise could be beneficial on LONG rides.
However, if you're like me and been riding for 57 years (since I was 13) and over that timespan have mostly ridden road (racing) bikes, the solution when adopting gravel, mountain, or adventure cycling (I own bikes tuned to all three alternatives) is going to be biased toward:
1. A stiffer shoe, even if used in conjunction with a flat pedal.
2. The more your "off-road" cycling tends to gravel or touring, the more someone like me will stick with cleated pedals (albeit SPD technology, not Speedplay, to facilitate walking like a human being). Some of us pull as well as push. The added reach of such a configuration will mean that your nominal seat height will be the same as for your road bikes (109% of crotch-to-ground distance). This is especially important if you continue to ride road racers, as do I. Less to change/re-learn.
3. When/if you transition to adventure cycling of the kind the late and much loved Iohan Gueorguiev used to do, flat pedals will absolutely make more sense. Flats will afford you the option to move your foot forward (as this video suggests). Still, there may remain a natural tendency to continue to bear on the balls of your feet, in which case you will once again want a relatively stiff-soled (yet walkable) shoe or boot.
One last note on efficiency: Although I have never ridden "party pace" in my life, once I get old I expect to deteriorate to the point it's all I can do. Until then, efficiency means a lot to me. On short rides, excessive rotational mass runs counter to my need for speed. On Guerguiev-style rides (which can last for months), the only benefit of non-essential additional mass is that it turns you into an Olympian (albeit a weary one).
Would buy if they had them in composite for half the price.
I wonder if someone has made an asymmetric pedal where the front is shorter than the rear? It should always be orientated the same way which should make getting on easy too.
Road clipless pedals are this way, but are one sided. Don't think you could do a double sided pedal that is asymetrical, would be long on the other side. Maybe it doesn't matter and a one sided flat asym pedal could be even lighter--as long as it was ALWAYS ready to be mounted by a foot.
I forgot - what is toe overlap?
Have you heard any feedback on using Catalyst with recumbent bike?
I use them on a trike with crocs - totally secure and comfortable.
I'm not hating on it, but this flat pedal thing is getting too complicated. I'll just stick to clipping in. "Click" and go. My shoes and cleats last for years. It's a simple, effective, and a reliable connection point to the bike.
I wonder how these compare with my Kona wah wah pedals. Both are big, these are longer....
Midfoot riding is amazing also, not interested in clipless ever again.
Did you notice if you were able to apply more power in your pedal stroke
Easier to stand. Don’t know if that translates to more power. Had no way to measure.
@@PathLessPedaledTV would consider doing a top 5 party pace pedals ( try saying that fast tongue twister)
DID U actually use these peddles on all the bikes u mention? How many times did u use the as of this video?
Are these too large for a Brompton?
will they work with crocs
They work GREAT with Crocs :)
@@PathLessPedaledTV good deal
they even work with beachshoes
What size shoe is that?
9
Was the bike made in USA
At that price I can get a set of Crank Brothers Stamp 3s and a bag of weed.
Seems like because of the length thee would be more pedal strikes .
Not in Europe yet?
I'd have to upsize my bike if I move my foot that far forward at least one size. Move your foot forward an inch and the front of your bike shrinks by an inch.
The whole 'move the saddle down and forward to accommodate mid-foot pedaling' idea has been rendered moot by dropper posts and the fact that catalyst pedals make off-the-saddle pedaling way more fun than seated pedaling. Standing is the default MTB position and worrying about finding an exact saddle position is a passe notion leftover from road biking.
I have two sets of these, they are worth the money, the quality is very good. It will take a number of rides to get used to mid foot pedaling on these, perhaps around ten so don't use them a couple of times then quit, your body will need time to adapt.
They don’t look like something I’d enjoy. They look like they’d make toe overlap a bigger issue for guys who ride small sized frames? For me width is a bigger issue than the length of a pedal . I have really wide feet.
I address small frames and toe overlap.
Don't even consider a midfoot position if your running fenders .
I have long legs, so larger frame, but I ride mid foot in all my bikes and most have fenders. Yes, I can force toe overlap on some, but I must unconsciously pedal and turn such that I avoid it 99% of the time. Never had an issue that made me want to stop.
Composite pedals are the way to go. There’s no way I would pay $129 for a set of pedals
Thank you good review. Gear weight is never a consideration for me . Im a big guy cough, cough, 280 lbs,
too expensive with multiple bikes. cheapo plats get it done, 50 bucks and under. I do like the foot support though.
That's a lot of pins.
seriously.
Pedals for the Bigfoot
Flats: yes. Long-ass flats: yeah, nah.
I hands down get waaaay more power out of clipless, that said I still use platform to get around locally. So whatever floats your boat is cool but I honestly don’t trust that “study” even in the slightest. Also mid foot position eliminates heel drop which basically means it hinders your ability to use your calf muscles in any meaningful way. Not trying to be a hater, just saying that it’s good to have a degree of healthy skepticism when industry heads make these types of “claims”.
Studies. As in every published study that has analyszed the supposed effectiveness of clipless. ua-cam.com/video/KUEaN9FKGLE/v-deo.html
Path Less Pedaled every one of those studies was done indoors, which is really not cycling, it’s stationary cycling. Doesn’t make much sense to completely leave out climbing, sprinting, and max efforts which are exactly the areas where clipless really excel. A major advantage in clipless is control, you can manipulate the bike and your body in ways that would be too risky/dangerous for platform pedals. In that sense the difference is huge, I just can’t imagine sprinting equivalently on platforms, I’d crash. I’d be curious to hear the opinions of some pro cyclists or their coaches/engineers. Totally fine agreeing to disagree tho! 🙏
@@GutiSteve The studies admit that in sprinting clipless is better. High speed road spring is frankly a pretty uncontrolled event and being tied to your bike is good there. That is not about efficiency though. Russ is mostly interested about the non-competitive side of cycling, that is the motto of the channel after all. In that side of cycling efficiency, practicality and comfort are the main values to strive for and the studies have at this point pretty much proven that the efficiency myth of clipless pedals has been false.
Innocentius Lacrim By the same logic you could say that aerodynamics are a “myth” and “proven” to make no difference in efficiency. Although you have left out that it’s on a stationary bike without any wind in sight. To a casual rider aerodynamics will make almost no difference but that doesn’t mean that you can generalize that it makes no difference in cycling. The claim should say “clipless advantage in efficiency is proven a myth at party pace and indoor training”. The problem is the claim is being thrown around as if it applies to cycling as a whole which is pretty absurd. That said I still get advantage in efficiency with clipless at party pace for climbing out of the saddle and I’m sure I’m not the only one 🤷♂️
No, what you say is absurd and you are trying to put an argument to my mouth that I never made. What you are also doing is that you are confusing efficiency and and being tied to the bike. Studies show that there is no difference in efficiency. None is saying to pro road cyclists who need to do sprints and short period max efforts that they should start using platform pedals so I have no idea who you are even arguing with.
I can't believe you didn't include UV absorption specs. How can you call this a pedal review?
I guess making a $39 pedal larger wasn’t enough they had to invent some pseudo science to justify the $100 surcharge.
Written from the perspective of ignorance. Clever. Valuable.
Second!
Even more fascinating than first! Thanks for letting us know.
First! :)
😍🙏
Fascinating! Thanks for letting us know.