ESO Protag visits Oblivion Planes all the damn time (hell, base game's main story was practically all Coldharbour expeditions) yet their sanity is seemingly intact.
Hey also remember this,some of the healing items that you can found in oblivion gate is daedra heart,its possible if hero of kvatch couldn’t find any healing items except daedra heart so he eating that,and since daedra heart containing daedra essence, while hero of kvatch already entering countless of those gate,imagine how much daedra heart he could eat, thus little by little, hero of kvatch transforming into daedra thus a perfect vessel for new sheogorath
Dont forget the madness inducing quest with chugging down a gallon of farm tool hist sap and removing goblins from a village that had no other people in it, other than the goblins..
5:02 It's made clear in game that Nocturnal's curse was removed. It's why the former Grey Fox's wife remembered him. Even while he was still wearing the cowl. It's also why the guild suddenly had a guildhall. When before it didn't have one. The curse was removed in such a way as to make it seem like the curse had never existed.
The fact that Sheogorath remembers being the Champion of Cyrodil makes me think once an era he rreturns to his mortal self instead of becoming Jyggolag
I like to imagine that during the battle of the Imperial City, several people witnessed a Khajiit in elven armor flying through the sky and chugging a bottle of skooma every second, and everyone just agreed not to mention it.
@@Otakupatriot117well seeing how in lore it was actually an imperial, now I can't help but imagine him materialisng infront of the dragon statue and just going on a murderous rampage
I just noticed something. Sheogorath in Skyrim doesn't just refer to Martin. He refers to both the Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild questlines. The "Fox" is the Grey Fox - Count Umbranox. And the severed head has to be Matthieu Bellamont's mother's head. So it's definitely got to be canon that the Hero of Kvatch was both the Grey Fox and the Listener. That can't be good for the mind. EDIT: This is why I usually wait for the end of a video to comment. Feel free to make fun of me below.
I would love more Dagoth lore breakdowns or history lessons such as the Red Diamond War. Until then I shall honor the sixth house and the tribe unmourned
I think Skyrim Sheo’s reference to “Blood” may refer to the slaughter at the Anvil Chapel If you enter the chapel, the place is a mess. With words written in blood on the ground as well Edit: Grammar/Spelling
Well, the Nerevarine and Dragonborn were two heroes of prophecy, while the hero of Kvatch was just a dude who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time
The dragonborn also keeps doing the same damn quest a million times. "Go to x ruin. Get me thing. Kill draugr and spider" they also got the soul and will of a dragon which makes them on a different level of mentality. He also gets a shit ton of emotional support from the bros in sovengard. He goes on a quest of enlightenment during the dawnguard dlc getting the bow of auriel which kinda negates the damage of seeing the soul cairn. The only part of his journey you can really call maddening is going into apocrypha several times but Miraak your literal senpai has been there for thousands of years and he's still relatively sane compared to the hero of kvatch. Tbh I think it's a poor comparison between the dragonborn and new sheogorath. The dragonborn had many saner quests and he is on a different spiritual power level than the hero.
I want to hear Dagoth's take on Potema aka The Wolf Queen. . .cause dang, I don't think old or new Sheogorath wants anything to do with that kind of crazy.
I know this is likely a joke just that's exactly the instability he loves, madness is all encompassing something as simple as a routine or is out there as wandering around. Looking for a specific sliver of bone on a battlefield. There's madness in all forms and shagorath is behind them all
Not to mention, in KOTN you technically die... Only to be brought back, by what I'm gonna call Aedric magic. A mortal who knew they died... Only to wake up, like it was a dream. Probably messed with their head has well. XD So yeah, I fully support this Oblivion is actually a descent into madness story. Theory.
Even before that. When the Hero of Kvatch goes to Choroll and cures Kellen from he's disease. Only to take he's disease for himself and having it untill being cured by the prophet. Imagine wanting to run, fight or do anything in your but feeling like someone is stabbing you in the lungs. That had to have big impact on the Hero of Kvatch and then he DIES during that fight with Umaril
Great theory. Thinking about everything the game really does lead up to the shivering isles perfectly if you consider the rule of "last dlc is canonically the last done"
This was an AWESOME sermon Lord Dagoth! I myself would love more videos on more Elder Scrolls lore/theories *cough* a video on Pelinal Whitestrake *cough* *cough*
My protagonist is also on an emotional rollercoaster which the Shivering Isles bring to the surface. He's driven down a dark path because he feels useless in peace time. During the Crisis, some Daedric Princes have already started to corrupt him. He joins the Fighter's Guild where he is drugged into slaughtering a village of innocents & even friends by the Blackwood Company. Guilt-ridden, he joins the Arena where at the end he has to kill another friend who won't even fight back. Around that time he also contracts vampirism and his sense of morality is further numbed. It is then, after slaying the Grey Prince, that Lucien Lachance approaches him. He becomes a hired killer and fulfills the more murderous Daedric quests. After that debacle, it is the Thieves Guild that makes him swear off killing. He seeks redemption and cures his vampirism. Raminus Polus then invites him into the Mages Guild and he gets to save Tamriel once again. He's in a good place to become a Knight again but all this trauma resurfaces in the realm of madness.
I always play it Knights if the Nine > Oblivion Main Quest > Shivering Isles. I also have head canons that there are different characters involved in all of the other factions. I may or may not be way to invested in this game…
Also our character mantels pelinal whitestrake who was legit insane like if you read about pelinal whitestrake he literally looks at the sun says to akatosh for our shared madness so just another nail in the crazy nwah coffin
Fun one! I always roleplayed it this way. Even in Skyrim, I wait to do Mind of Madness and Saints & Seducers until my character has survived a few experiences that might drive him mad.
These are so dope! Imagine my surprise when I looked at the upload date and it’s actually very recent. I’m definitely subbed up and looking forward to more of lord Dagoth and the tribe unmourned 🏆
I think there’s a video pretty much sums of why I love oblivion, more than any other elder scrolls game its quests are just so much more interesting and fun. The only thing I wish oblivion had was a better leveling system.
I would make the argument that Skyrim doesn't have these weird, insane, and altogether cool quests, because the writers just weren't up to the task of writing interesting quests.
@@ZakeandZach I can't speak to the quality of the quests of Morrowind, having only played a little of it, but Oblivion's writing was so much better than Skyrim's that I just have to say "Martin Septim" and my brothers burst into immediate tears. Not really, but we all agree that he's in our Top 3 characters from Oblivion, and reminicise on favorite aspects of the game often.
Leaves from the vine, Falling so slow, Like fragile tiny shells, Drifting in the foam. Little soldier boy says, "Carry me home" Sleeping soldier boy, Is carried home.’
The very first quest you have to do for the fighter's Guild involves A woman wanting you to save the rats in her basement instead of killing them The madness theory in oblivion holds one hundred percent accurate
We know Daedra don't necessarily experience time as something linear, so the player being able to enter the Shivering Ilse from level 1 could be explained by Sheogorath knowing what the protagonist will become
Dagoth ur should review real world pantheons lmao id love to see him take a dig at Zeus or something lmao. Also I honor the 6th house and the tribe unmourned
I swear, all these AI generators are going to be so clogged up with Dagoth Ur content that I fear they will start to believe they are Daddy Dagoth and become false-dreamers themselves. Can an AI achieve CHIM? Now that would be a grand and intoxicating way to honour the sixth house and the tribe unmourned.
An aedra (mortals ) cannot become daedra Sheogorath himself says this At best you were a placeholder for a time Then the daedric lords once again fearful of jyggalag cast him back down to Sheogorath once again Sheogorath being "there " at the oblivion means face value , he was active during it , caused his usual mayhem through his " champions " like all other princes None like thinking our old characters end up dead but its the reality for most races that eventually battle or time ends their journey And fan service shouldn't interfere with lore
Everytime i hear "kvatsh" i, as a native in the german tounge, have to think of the german word "Quatsch" wich means Nonsense in englisch... Is this then also a hint to how the Hero of Kvatsh is destined to become Sheogorath, the Madgod known to be nonsensical to the sane mind?
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no doubt, a mortal visiting the plane of oblivion multiple times would bring on madness. thinking otherwise is a grand and intoxicating innocence
well hey atleast in the end he got some cool clothes and i mean what else can a ma-... a *god* ask for?
ESO Protag visits Oblivion Planes all the damn time (hell, base game's main story was practically all Coldharbour expeditions) yet their sanity is seemingly intact.
Hey also remember this,some of the healing items that you can found in oblivion gate is daedra heart,its possible if hero of kvatch couldn’t find any healing items except daedra heart so he eating that,and since daedra heart containing daedra essence, while hero of kvatch already entering countless of those gate,imagine how much daedra heart he could eat, thus little by little, hero of kvatch transforming into daedra thus a perfect vessel for new sheogorath
Dont forget the madness inducing quest with chugging down a gallon of farm tool hist sap and removing goblins from a village that had no other people in it, other than the goblins..
Oh right. I mentioned it in s previous video but not here. Oops
@@ZakeandZach shame on you sweet dagoth~ but i forgive you for but a kiss to *old uncle crassius* only of course
I never played that one how do you start it
@@blackops7809 its the Fighters Guild questline. Cant miss it
5:02
It's made clear in game that Nocturnal's curse was removed. It's why the former Grey Fox's wife remembered him. Even while he was still wearing the cowl. It's also why the guild suddenly had a guildhall. When before it didn't have one. The curse was removed in such a way as to make it seem like the curse had never existed.
The fact that Sheogorath remembers being the Champion of Cyrodil makes me think once an era he rreturns to his mortal self instead of becoming Jyggolag
I like to imagine that during the battle of the Imperial City, several people witnessed a Khajiit in elven armor flying through the sky and chugging a bottle of skooma every second, and everyone just agreed not to mention it.
Or he could still be all 3 at once. Like the talos situation (tiber septim, ysmir, talos)
@@RecordedMercury oh yeah, and Sheogorath is somehow related to Lorkahn too.
don't ask me how
Ah true madness
@@Otakupatriot117well seeing how in lore it was actually an imperial, now I can't help but imagine him materialisng infront of the dragon statue and just going on a murderous rampage
I just noticed something. Sheogorath in Skyrim doesn't just refer to Martin. He refers to both the Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild questlines. The "Fox" is the Grey Fox - Count Umbranox. And the severed head has to be Matthieu Bellamont's mother's head. So it's definitely got to be canon that the Hero of Kvatch was both the Grey Fox and the Listener. That can't be good for the mind.
EDIT: This is why I usually wait for the end of a video to comment. Feel free to make fun of me below.
And he owns like every daedric artifact you can collect in oblivion lol which is weird
@@commaJim Yeah, Hermaus Mora is pretty much an Elder God from Lovecraft, so just seeing him shoud induce some mental instability.
@@pensandshakers true! He is very lovecraftian.
@@pensandshakers unless whoever sees him is a degenerate anime weeb, but if that's the case then they've already lost their sanity.
my dumbass thought it was a funne metal gear reference
I never get tired of Dagoth Ur shading Grandmaster Joffrey for keeping the amulet in a wooden chest.
I would love more Dagoth lore breakdowns or history lessons such as the Red Diamond War. Until then I shall honor the sixth house and the tribe unmourned
I think Skyrim Sheo’s reference to “Blood” may refer to the slaughter at the Anvil Chapel
If you enter the chapel, the place is a mess. With words written in blood on the ground as well
Edit: Grammar/Spelling
Oh! You're spot on! Can't believe it took me this long to realize
The Neravarine and Dragonborn after going through their events mentally unscathed: "Pathetic."
Well, the Nerevarine and Dragonborn were two heroes of prophecy, while the hero of Kvatch was just a dude who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time
@@randdldar2580 he was also known from a dream by Tiber septim the third. So he was a partial prophecy.
The dragonborn also keeps doing the same damn quest a million times. "Go to x ruin. Get me thing. Kill draugr and spider" they also got the soul and will of a dragon which makes them on a different level of mentality. He also gets a shit ton of emotional support from the bros in sovengard. He goes on a quest of enlightenment during the dawnguard dlc getting the bow of auriel which kinda negates the damage of seeing the soul cairn. The only part of his journey you can really call maddening is going into apocrypha several times but Miraak your literal senpai has been there for thousands of years and he's still relatively sane compared to the hero of kvatch. Tbh I think it's a poor comparison between the dragonborn and new sheogorath. The dragonborn had many saner quests and he is on a different spiritual power level than the hero.
I want to hear Dagoth's take on Potema aka The Wolf Queen. . .cause dang, I don't think old or new Sheogorath wants anything to do with that kind of crazy.
I know this is likely a joke just that's exactly the instability he loves, madness is all encompassing something as simple as a routine or is out there as wandering around. Looking for a specific sliver of bone on a battlefield. There's madness in all forms and shagorath is behind them all
I think that level of madness deserves the hill.
Not to mention, in KOTN you technically die... Only to be brought back, by what I'm gonna call Aedric magic.
A mortal who knew they died... Only to wake up, like it was a dream. Probably messed with their head has well. XD
So yeah, I fully support this Oblivion is actually a descent into madness story. Theory.
New Vegas Courier. . .which explains everything that happens in that game.
Even before that. When the Hero of Kvatch goes to Choroll and cures Kellen from he's disease. Only to take he's disease for himself and having it untill being cured by the prophet. Imagine wanting to run, fight or do anything in your but feeling like someone is stabbing you in the lungs. That had to have big impact on the Hero of Kvatch and then he DIES during that fight with Umaril
Becoming a vampire means "dying" too
Your argument is weak
Mantling Pelinal probably drove HoC a little crazy too tbh. Pelinal is more than a bit unhinged himself.
Can’t lie you’re probably the best Dagoth Ur AI out of the lot
Thank you
@ZakeandZach No joke, I only ever watch your Dagoth vids now. You're the "canon" one for me at least, for what it's worth.
He is the True Dagoth Ur. To think otherwise is a grand and intoxicating Innocence
Great theory. Thinking about everything the game really does lead up to the shivering isles perfectly if you consider the rule of "last dlc is canonically the last done"
This was an AWESOME sermon Lord Dagoth!
I myself would love more videos on more Elder Scrolls lore/theories *cough* a video on Pelinal Whitestrake *cough* *cough*
My protagonist is also on an emotional rollercoaster which the Shivering Isles bring to the surface.
He's driven down a dark path because he feels useless in peace time.
During the Crisis, some Daedric Princes have already started to corrupt him. He joins the Fighter's Guild where he is drugged into slaughtering a village of innocents & even friends by the Blackwood Company.
Guilt-ridden, he joins the Arena where at the end he has to kill another friend who won't even fight back. Around that time he also contracts vampirism and his sense of morality is further numbed.
It is then, after slaying the Grey Prince, that Lucien Lachance approaches him. He becomes a hired killer and fulfills the more murderous Daedric quests.
After that debacle, it is the Thieves Guild that makes him swear off killing. He seeks redemption and cures his vampirism.
Raminus Polus then invites him into the Mages Guild and he gets to save Tamriel once again.
He's in a good place to become a Knight again but all this trauma resurfaces in the realm of madness.
Lol, he went mad from having so many responsibilities 😂
I always play it Knights if the Nine > Oblivion Main Quest > Shivering Isles. I also have head canons that there are different characters involved in all of the other factions. I may or may not be way to invested in this game…
I always save the main quest for second to last with the last being the Shivering Iles
By Azura, by Azura is enough to drive any man mad.
Lol, the Adoring Fan is the new HASKILL confirmed?
Zake and Zach don’t stop with these AI generations!!! This is the best Dagon ur videos on UA-cam, you write him so sassy I can’t help but laugh
Thank you. I was afraid this lore video would not do well, but now I am encouraged to make more of these
@@ZakeandZach plz as soon as they upload, I be watching them
This is legit the only real Dagoth Ur channel
To believe otherwise is a grand and intoxicating innocence
I will never tire of hearing Daddy Dagoth say *Kvatch.*
Also our character mantels pelinal whitestrake who was legit insane like if you read about pelinal whitestrake he literally looks at the sun says to akatosh for our shared madness so just another nail in the crazy nwah coffin
Yes, he's nuts
@@ZakeandZach so the champion of cyrodiil is absolutely mentally fried
The blood may be referring to the Arena plot as well.
Too much blood lol
For the prince of madness! One of the four corners of the house of troubles! No such thing!
Dude your explanation is top notch even I got to understand it without playing the game, I'ma play it now because of you this is awsome
Fun one! I always roleplayed it this way.
Even in Skyrim, I wait to do Mind of Madness and Saints & Seducers until my character has survived a few experiences that might drive him mad.
These are so dope! Imagine my surprise when I looked at the upload date and it’s actually very recent. I’m definitely subbed up and looking forward to more of lord Dagoth and the tribe unmourned 🏆
Dagoth Ur giving a sermon about the "godhead" and other meta building facets could be good
I think there’s a video pretty much sums of why I love oblivion, more than any other elder scrolls game its quests are just so much more interesting and fun. The only thing I wish oblivion had was a better leveling system.
You told me to come so i did
Ohhh, I thought he said "CUM".
I may have committed a sex crime.
UUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNHHH!
@@seymoorepoone9512y, I had to honor the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned!
If a God gives you a direct order, you follow it.
Finding out that character was us in Skyrim made me cry, because life can make you go insane
I would make the argument that Skyrim doesn't have these weird, insane, and altogether cool quests, because the writers just weren't up to the task of writing interesting quests.
Morrowind also wasn't as whacky
@@ZakeandZach I can't speak to the quality of the quests of Morrowind, having only played a little of it, but Oblivion's writing was so much better than Skyrim's that I just have to say "Martin Septim" and my brothers burst into immediate tears.
Not really, but we all agree that he's in our Top 3 characters from Oblivion, and reminicise on favorite aspects of the game often.
It's crazy how I always religiously listen to lord Dagoth's sweet voice no matter what the topic is, like a good dreamer
I liked this theory so much it makes me want to replay Oblivion to see if I can find more moments that could lead to insanity.
I like to imagine these videos are how Dagoth spent his time with the heart with nothing else going on.
Leaves from the vine, Falling so slow, Like fragile tiny shells, Drifting in the foam. Little soldier boy says, "Carry me home" Sleeping soldier boy, Is carried home.’
The very first quest you have to do for the fighter's Guild involves A woman wanting you to save the rats in her basement instead of killing them
The madness theory in oblivion holds one hundred percent accurate
I hadnt considered this when I played that game through but this is a good point
i just love hearing TES lore by dagoth ur point of view and voice
He's pretty good
This is definitely one of the more superior Dagoth Ur channels.
Thank you!
@@ZakeandZach you're very welcome.
I love how his voice began to change to Haskills...
ahhh Glarthir. "Yes, you! We need to talk."
Oblivion's crazy quests are why its my favorite Elder Scrolls
I would love them adding coc in elder scroll 6 and make him crazy but noble like a split personality
When Dagoth Ur bids that I come, I come. I can think of no better way to honor the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned.
Can’t wait to see Dagoth Ur break down The Shivering Isles.
"Canon chronology" *Laughs in DRAGONBREAK*
We know Daedra don't necessarily experience time as something linear, so the player being able to enter the Shivering Ilse from level 1 could be explained by Sheogorath knowing what the protagonist will become
Dagoth ur should review real world pantheons lmao id love to see him take a dig at Zeus or something lmao. Also I honor the 6th house and the tribe unmourned
I guess i need to go an replay oblivion. i havent touched it since i finished it back when it came out
Subbed ❤ 6th house honoured
I'm used to being sucked into a painting anyway.
Yes down to the parchment this pleases.
I know that Dagoth is a god and the main star, but would it be able to have some crazy content like uncle Crassius or Therana or some such?
Gotta say, the god is spitting facts.
Is Sheogorath a false mad god, or a mad false god?
Collecting nitroot would drive anyone insane.
Or the nirnroot buzzing in your ear all day 😂
Here's hoping our Lord blesses us with a sermon on Nords of Morrowind being stripped by witches.
Someone show this theory to fudgemuppet or drewmora right God dame now it needs to be spread among the masses!!!!! 😤😤
New Theory Maybe Nerevar got his memory erased and sent to imperial prison becoming the hero of kvatch in oblivion
Hey Zeke & Zach, how's episode 4 of Fandom Island coming along?
It's been ready for a while, just waiting on voices
I swear, all these AI generators are going to be so clogged up with Dagoth Ur content that I fear they will start to believe they are Daddy Dagoth and become false-dreamers themselves. Can an AI achieve CHIM?
Now that would be a grand and intoxicating way to honour the sixth house and the tribe unmourned.
I think I am one of the few consistent channels that honors the Sixth House and Daddy Dagoth
An aedra (mortals ) cannot become daedra
Sheogorath himself says this
At best you were a placeholder for a time
Then the daedric lords once again fearful of jyggalag cast him back down to Sheogorath once again
Sheogorath being "there " at the oblivion means face value , he was active during it , caused his usual mayhem through his " champions " like all other princes
None like thinking our old characters end up dead but its the reality for most races that eventually battle or time ends their journey
And fan service shouldn't interfere with lore
Meridia and Malacath became Daedra though?
You ignore a shit ton of lore because sheogorath says one thing that contradicts it?
Why does dagoth suddenly become British at the end?
I want this voice to read RSS feeds to me.
Everytime i hear "kvatsh" i, as a native in the german tounge, have to think of the german word "Quatsch" wich means Nonsense in englisch... Is this then also a hint to how the Hero of Kvatsh is destined to become Sheogorath, the Madgod known to be nonsensical to the sane mind?
That's a possiblity, yes
He became the joker
Why does this sound so familar with chaos gods of wh40k?
The creators admit to being big fans of Warhammer 40K, so the Daedric Princes are more than likely inspired by the Chaos Gods.
Pretty Canon explains why I only played oblivion 😂😂
I love this
LETS GOOOOOO
It's a sad fucking day when you have to censor something like Oblivion.
Speaking of which I need to censor that accidental Lachance part probably 😂
@@ZakeandZach Yeah, that was clearly visible for a second there 😄
YASSSSS
wait it's AI? its so good
One consistent thing across these shitposts.
Dagoth Ur in constant denial that Shegorath is just a more interesting character than him.