Pol, where's the genetics final pov demo review you said you'd do. I was the one that asked for it and you said in a following video you'd do it. Did I just miss it?
That specific quote is by someone else, and while it may seem a little extreme for this context, it is pretty true and does make a pretty good point in general, this just may not be the context for it, but it does make sense. As for Weak3n, we all should know by now not to really take his takes serious because of his track record of things he says and posts/reposts, especially the "well what about..." type of bs that no one should be surprised he's pulling
The tweet by the hirez employee is a variation of a Margaret Atwood quote, although the meaning of it is somewhat lost in the change of context. But think that helps explain why it comes across a bit hamfisted
With the Rexsi drama, what I dislike the most is people automatically being public to drama. That could've been settled in private. The weak3n one is just people simplifying complex issues stupidly. Both sets of drama are stupid lmao
@@bobertobobino2372 There was a woman that worked at Hi-Rez/was around the league about 3-4 years ago. She posted an innocent photo of her around her team she was couching and in response to it Weak3n tweeted a photo of Piper Perri around “actors” as if to insinuate fucked up shit.
I typed out a huge comment but tbh its probably easier to just say I'm a gay person who spends a lot of time in gaming spaces and I agree with everything you said, lol. The internet is so dramatic
Really? B-word? Could he not say the word Bitch? He’s right but come on, is Bitch really a no-no-word now? The other stuff I don’t really care about, it’s just grand-standing by some, overreaction by others and got blown way out of proportion as the affected person said herself.
The defence of "I have years of content that show what kind of man I am" doesn't hold water at all. The people in content are personas. I've for years watched a gaming group in which one of its members was always presented as a great husband and father only to then turn out the dude groomed multiple fans, some even minors. It's very rare that a content creator shows who they really are in content.
I’m pretty sure he was alluding to his use of the word bitch. Pretty sure saying bitch after killing someone in smite is something he sees as equal opportunity and is defending against the idea that he’s sexist for saying a word that isn’t particularly gendered anymore to most people.
Perhaps it's "not particularly gendered" to most men, but I would still think that most women would definitely consider it a slur when it's said to/about them by a man.
We had a fucking dreadful pub quiz this week we got more in the 1st round than all the others combined (admittedly the first round was double points because it was celebs faces mashed together and it was which 2 celebs where mashed up point for each) but we got 1 in the final round which was also a mythology question (in greek mythology what bird represents athena?) Also my drama take is i think weak3n is being super Disengeniuos about the whole thing, like male suicide is a problem talk to your friends but to bring it up in response to women talking about their experiences feels like you're just trying to change the conversation. Obviously both are important but like using that as a response to the other topic feels like a deflection.
I feel like with this issue, like most issues, people get very easily detracted by the main point in an attempt to downplay it outright. The point is Rexxi said something he shouldn't have, and instead of just saying "yeah I said this and I misspoke out of anger/behaved in a manor I was not well aware of it being offensive, I will at the very least try to do better in the future" he doubled down. What you said about Weak3n in the end is what was going through my mind with his twitter takes. He did a lot of detracting and also like you said, he has a terrible track record with how he's talked about/treated women with his platform in the past.
@@Iog0utWell the first time around it was handled while in a private call. Rexxi was the one that brought it up on the world's stage, that's entirely on him and it's a new situation from what had already been handled. Regardless of whether or not he meant it in a sexist manner is up for debate, however a fair opinion is to say that he said what he said in an inappropriate setting as well as it being an irrelevant/random thing to say during the event publicly. That is something to apologize for.
I saw TempestInATeacup get raided on twitch, and she acted all friendly and thankful for the viewers. Later on, she and some "yes man" absolutely shit talked the streamer and laughed at him. In 10min I learned enough of her. Just wanted to share that.
Eh, this is just shit people being shit tbf. Sounds like it's getting taken over by people who have no part in what actually happened and who are not able/willing to find a solution for what has happened. The biggest shock to me though, was that Peroni wasn't in the top 6 beers! I guessed the top 6 to be Heineken, Becks, Carlsberg, Peroni, Jupiler and something i don't remember anymore lol.
Irish bias, but I’m shocked Guinness wasn’t in the top 6 of best selling European beers in Europe. On the drama, never met Rexsi, but I’m a huge fan of the please stop talking podcast and the episode where Punk Duck hung out with Rexsi and came to the conclusion Rexsi might be an incel has some more merit now.
I think they specifically said that Guinness didn't count in the list, can't remember the reasoning but I reckon it would have been in there otherwise!
Is it possible that Rexsi meant putting you in your place from the point of view of "Your not High enough MMR in duel to have an opinion about my game mode" Is it possible its classic gaming elitism rather than it being motivated by her gender? I really dont watch either of them enough to know their personalities in this situation.
It is literally that yes. She probably said something stupid playing devils advocate about smite (a game she is bad at) and he was talking about how she doesn’t know enough to dispute him which is likely true
It’s crazy seeing this logout guy yap about someone he knows nothing about LOL look up her smiteguru for last year if you’re really curious how “good” she is. Spoiler- she’s definitely good And it wouldn’t matter if she was bronze, he shouldn’t talk to lower level players like that either. They want balance feedback from everyone, not JUST high level players
I agree its a dick move to treat people like that, classic gamer elitism and such but its not the same as sexism. Also being good at smite and being good/knowledgeable about Duel is two very different games. And as far as i know Rexsi is a major Duel player its his main game mode. So maybe he was being protective/elitist about his game mode but its not fair to call him sexist as well @@CAndreaL
The whole “men commit suicide more often” stat is so disingenuous when talking about gamers because the reasoning is so much different. The demographic of men committing suicide is so swayed by the lives that they come back to with little to no support after experiencing war and death on a scale that is nothing but evil. If we’re going to talk about a video game community that statistic has almost no place.
I get what weaken is saying but I'm like it comes off as him saying everyone gets shit maybe we shouldnt yalk about it... or its all the same. Like i know thats not what hes saying but it comes off as him downplaying minority based abuse cos their not the same
Answer: World is about 50/50 male and female. Those that game are a minor percentage of the world population. Gaming (not counting your rando time waster mobile games) attacts mostly males. Has always been that way, and always will be that way. Now we are talking about a percentage of a percentage. Next, those gamers who are attracted to competitive gaming is a percentage of a percentage of a percentage. Males tend to be more interested in competitive games. And those that have the required skills to compete in high level competitive gaming is a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of a percentage. The reason you dont see more females on stage is because their pool is tiny compared to the male pool. Factor in that this is Smite and not a giant game, their pool is almost no one. It isnt a cultural thing, it isnt a company thing. Its just a female thing. And thats ok. More male get into basketball too. And thats ok. It is what it is. People are different, so you arent going to get 50/50 in anything where personal choice is a factor.
Lmao. I’m all for treating women better than we treat each other but true equality would not be calling guys words and then all of a sudden it’s a problem because it’s a girl. Doesn’t seem too equal if that is the goal. Even though he is wrong, Rexis comms should’ve never been shared with someone else. If you listen to listen in’s, they say much worse things than that during spl games. Idk tho.
Pretty based take. The bar was low. I do not get Weak3n's misdirection tweets. And I read the twit longer. I liked the point that the stress was to not harass Rexi, since action had been taken already. So it was disappointing to me too that Rexsi also doubled down in response. I hope that some conent creators try to be more open minded in result of this drama. I am not sure how the Smite space compares to other esports. I am glad you are not such a misogynistic space. I hope you can use your level-headedness to help steer Smite Twitter and Content Creators in a better direction. Big ask of course, like you said, societal problem. But if you have any ideas you would know best how to implement them.
we cant really say much on the rexsi vs temp without context cause context is everything with the wording she quoted him saying. however hi rez punished him and she is a Olympian so anyone saying these rude things would be reported and taken action on swiftly. so isnt that problem fixed? we cant stop people from saying mean things on the internet we can only punish them from the majority/admins a lot of what is being said is just video games as a whole people always say the rudest thing they can get away with when they are angry without repercussions the more you deviate from the majority the more things added to what is said. i in no way agree with the sexist remarks that were quoted but i have to imagine if you are any minority in a game weather it be gender,race,age,height,weight, for visable medical problems they would all be targeted by trolls people just arent nice on the internet and it sucks but only making everything on the internet a quick chat would fix it. and they would still fined ways to say things anyways ie) you rock!,cancel that!)
On the specific comments mentioned "b!tch" and "put in your place" while those have been used as sexist comments, they are also pretty common gamer trash talk regardless of gender. In a vacuum those dont mean much. The discord conversation from this pov seems heavily against rexsi but there are 3 sides to every argument, side a side b and the truth. While im not disputing rexsi acting poorly, i do wonder about context. From what i saw on stage, tempe does not appear to be a high level player and while she may have a following ive personally always been against patches being targeted to the lower end playerbase. I don wonder if the outburst had more to do with tempe's skill vs gender as ive seen that in rexsi's streams/vods.
I mean everyone should agree that sexism does not belong anywhere but the whole thing about women being underrepresented is silly. Many games have had female pros or even a team of female pros. They unfortunately don’t tend to be able to stack with the rest. I’m not saying it’s because they’re women but if you look into gamer demographics, the large amount of gamers are male, the proportion of gamers who play competitive style games is heavily favoured to men again, it’s simple probabilities, if you have two pools of players and one is 700% larger then you are more likely to get more outliers (top level players) in the larger group. Add onto that backed studies showing that women are less likely to pursue a career that is unstable, less likely to move for work etc you are not only looking for outliers in the player base but outliers that meet other non-regular (can’t think of the correct word) requirements. Will this change over time? Who knows, men and women are not the same, they have different bodies, brains, hormones which heavily impact the way we behave. In regards to casters that is a slightly different matter, a lot of it could be personal preference but, taking football for example, I have not listened to a female commentator/presenter that feels like they express as much passion and emotion than most males. I think many are very knowledgeable and understand the game well but either they don’t have the same levels of passion or they feel they have to be more reserved whereas a man’s commentary tends to be uninhibited and raw. Again maybe this will change over time as societal norms shift.
I don't understand the drama man. Everyone's trying to bring up different/their own experiences, which is totally fine because NO ONE should be harassed. But can we start with apologizing to each other for the original statements? LMFAO. Tempest said her part, is trying to bring light to harassment to women, and its a real problem in many many communities, including ours. Weak3n wants to bring light to the fact that men also get harassed and it's not good for anyone, but IDK why it has to be done right that current second. Then so many comments are saying everyone is just soft... which is THE ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE LMFAOOOO, WE MAYBE SHOULDNT HARASS PEOPLE AND THEN TELL THEM THEYRE SOFT WHEN THEY HATE IT. Rexsi now wants to defend himself in some way from the brunt of sexism or something? Instead of just... apologizing? WHY, is NO ONE, apologizing? Weak3n could have apologized that they had to deal with what was said, and remind people that harassment goes both ways and to be nice to each other... didnt... Rexsi could have apologized for what he said being taken in a sexist way and he was just trying to shit talk in a game... but didnt... like wuuuuuuut is going on guys... we can apologize to each other and work together to make gaming spaces safer for all, no?
It seems what Rexi said has sexist undertones. But without knowing what his "outburst" consisted of and without knowing what caused it there is no judgement to be made just yet
I hope people know that these problems cannot and will not EVER be fixed. It's just not realistic. We can talk about ideals and this utopian future we wish to see, but it's just not possible. At the end of the day, it's a game. People take games seriously. They get us going. They make us say things, that, get this, we do not mean. We're just livid and need to express it. Iirc, Rexsi has been going thru some shit recently, not sure he's in the best head space to begin with. Instead of taking every single thing ever said so literally, we gotta remember, it's a fucking game. Unless you've been physically attacked, or relentlessly bullied repeatedly (idk who tf in smite actually does this), just turn the game off. Log off the socials. SMITE is not worth the drama or pain you think you may or may not be receiving.
That is such a terrible way to view it though surely? Also this sentiment is literally part of the problem. Not only do you say it can never be fully fixed therefore it shouldn't be but you also casually excuse Rexsi multiple times. How is a content creator and literally Olympian/Ambassador for Smite supposed to just not play smite... to avoid this?
Can you not imagine someone saying exactly this about homophobia, racism, voting rights for women etc. etc. over the years though? Change is possible, and it's worth doing, I think just saying "Nothing's ever going to change so why bother trying" is extremely lame and incorrect.
What the fuck is a "b-word"? Its really starting to get difficult to keep up with what word american snowflakes on twitter got upset about this month, and decided its wrongthink to use. We're gonna need a dictionary soon at this rate. We already have a-word, b-word, c-word, d-word... is there an e-word? F-word we have multiple of (surely this needs to be sorted out, you cant be getting upset at someone calling someone else f-word#1 when they actually meant f-word#2).... is there a g-word yet too?
Pointless drama with a bunch of soft spineless people. Nothing compares to the trash talking in old MW2. If this is a problem, MW2 lobbies were war crimes. You even had gamers following other people in their lobbies or spam messaging them just to continue the barrage of insults.
That dude needs to shut up about equality, yhere is auch a thing as skill and the person most qualified for yhe job should get it, im sick of hearing about analytics and saying your ratios are off
Holy shit ten years of this game being playable and we’re just finding out now that the player base is filled with toxic trolls? Every game I go into there’s an autolock damage dealer that does below 20k damage and shit talks the whole game. Been told to kill myself over the VGS multiple times for as little as having a bad game. I’m not saying that it’s okay to be a piece of shit, but turn off VGS chat, mute your teammates, it’s a very simple thing. Oh boy here comes the “they shouldn’t have to” comments. Which is true they shouldn’t have to but you can take yourself out of these situations. I’m not saying that being toxic is okay by any means or that we should tolerate it, but either learn to take yourself out of the situation or learn to zone it out/disregard it. Some of yall wouldn’t last in the old MW2 lobbies. I’ve seen plenty of tweets from these threads of screenshots of them being harassed but if they would have stopped communicating with the person it wouldn’t have escalated as badly as it did. Again not saying it’s okay to be a piece of shit or to not defend yourself but it’ll happen a lot less if you stop communicating. If you play smite play with friends and disregard your other teammates. It’s that simple
Lmao lol even. On the real though how many women in their late teens early twenties want to grind comp smite for 12+ hours a day? On the off chance they can make a small living? Not many! 😂
True, and is fine I mean who cares if women and men prefer to spend their hours on diff thing. Don't see what the whole hoopla is that more men play comp/ranked smite then women. Is like how women make up most of the psychology field, men arent complaining about representation and being the minority in the field.
The stage comment (in a vacuum) sounds like some crap shit talk. It does have sexist tones to it, but if you drop the "b word" it is just trash talk against someone you have beef with. Does it look bad to have content creators with beef on stage for the content creator show match? Idk. I think "bitch" is probably just a remnant word that doesn't have the same intent as it conveys. Most name calling is generic filler, and doing away with "lazy" insults is probably for the better anyway Psychologists have done plenty of studies on women in gaming, and they catch a disproportionate amount of hate when they do well. This is likely the main reason you don't catch many women at the top of Esports. The psychology at play is more complex than I can cover here, but the comments aren't even directly sexist most of the time.
Eh the fact that they had a prior issue in the discord chat leads me to think it wasn't just general shit talk and it was targeted. There is so much you can say to celebrate a good play. Like Hayzer said even if the words used weren't meant in a sexist way, it can still come off that way.
This is an incredibly dismissive video. You're part of the problem. You could have used your voice to make the smite community a better place for women but instead you're perpetuating sexist behavior by labelling tempy as dramatic and by not calling out Rexsi for his sexist comments.
To say what exactly? If you think that this issue will be fixed after Paul says stop, then you are truly lost. It should have never happened, ban him and move on. Stop looking for unnecessary attention.
I didn't intend to label Tempy as dramatic, and I feel like I was pretty clear that I think Rexsi's comments had sexist undertones and so were unacceptable, what do you think I said that I shouldn't have or what did I not say that I should have? I was also trying to respect what Tempy said in her tweet - which was that she didn't want a witch hunt or abuse hurled at Rexsi - so maybe I was too gentle in my saying if it isn't a pattern this can be the end of it, was that the problem? To be absolutely clear, I think there is pretty obviously a problem in the way that women get treated in gaming communities, and that we should all be making an effort to make Smite a space that is more open to all, and I like to think that I live with that intention in mind as I participate in the community day to day.
@@CAndreaL Aye, I did consider that could be the issue, but I think from the context of the video it's clear that I don't consider the content of the drama stupid, more I find talking about it is fraught with danger and draining due to the general reaction to this kind of stuff in comments sections. I'll change it anyway, to make it clear that I do not consider the drama itself not serious.
Imagine being an alcoholic and still getting the beer question wrong
Love your vids Paul but I think I was happier not knowing about this drama.
Me too, but sharing is lightening the burden, thank you for taking some of my load (not sexual)
@@HayzerSmite ty for specifying your load Paul
and ty for giving it not sexually
@@HayzerSmiteI think it was at least 20% sexual😏
I can't believe Hayzer said I suck
Pol, where's the genetics final pov demo review you said you'd do. I was the one that asked for it and you said in a following video you'd do it. Did I just miss it?
I do still have the video, just haven't commentated over it, I will do it this week just for you x
@@HayzerSmite My GOAT
That specific quote is by someone else, and while it may seem a little extreme for this context, it is pretty true and does make a pretty good point in general, this just may not be the context for it, but it does make sense.
As for Weak3n, we all should know by now not to really take his takes serious because of his track record of things he says and posts/reposts, especially the "well what about..." type of bs that no one should be surprised he's pulling
The tweet by the hirez employee is a variation of a Margaret Atwood quote, although the meaning of it is somewhat lost in the change of context. But think that helps explain why it comes across a bit hamfisted
With the Rexsi drama, what I dislike the most is people automatically being public to drama. That could've been settled in private.
The weak3n one is just people simplifying complex issues stupidly.
Both sets of drama are stupid lmao
it WAS settiled in private. Tempy said she thought it was handled properly behind the scenes already
And then she named dropped Rexsi out of nowhere lol @@oakfam1565
Yea Weak3n aint really a source of knowledge I look to here, especially with that Piper Perri tweet.
what piper perri tweet
@@bobertobobino2372 There was a woman that worked at Hi-Rez/was around the league about 3-4 years ago. She posted an innocent photo of her around her team she was couching and in response to it Weak3n tweeted a photo of Piper Perri around “actors” as if to insinuate fucked up shit.
I typed out a huge comment but tbh its probably easier to just say I'm a gay person who spends a lot of time in gaming spaces and I agree with everything you said, lol. The internet is so dramatic
Smite twitter having a normal one, as usual
Really? B-word? Could he not say the word Bitch? He’s right but come on, is Bitch really a no-no-word now?
The other stuff I don’t really care about, it’s just grand-standing by some, overreaction by others and got blown way out of proportion as the affected person said herself.
The defence of "I have years of content that show what kind of man I am" doesn't hold water at all. The people in content are personas. I've for years watched a gaming group in which one of its members was always presented as a great husband and father only to then turn out the dude groomed multiple fans, some even minors. It's very rare that a content creator shows who they really are in content.
I’m pretty sure he was alluding to his use of the word bitch. Pretty sure saying bitch after killing someone in smite is something he sees as equal opportunity and is defending against the idea that he’s sexist for saying a word that isn’t particularly gendered anymore to most people.
Perhaps it's "not particularly gendered" to most men, but I would still think that most women would definitely consider it a slur when it's said to/about them by a man.
We had a fucking dreadful pub quiz this week we got more in the 1st round than all the others combined (admittedly the first round was double points because it was celebs faces mashed together and it was which 2 celebs where mashed up point for each) but we got 1 in the final round which was also a mythology question (in greek mythology what bird represents athena?)
Also my drama take is i think weak3n is being super Disengeniuos about the whole thing, like male suicide is a problem talk to your friends but to bring it up in response to women talking about their experiences feels like you're just trying to change the conversation. Obviously both are important but like using that as a response to the other topic feels like a deflection.
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Ooh baby, Drama Mondays, gonna get real good here soon, thank you for following Dunkey's lead
that weaken is a tate fan doesnt surprise me. he looks like one, and sounds like one
I feel like with this issue, like most issues, people get very easily detracted by the main point in an attempt to downplay it outright. The point is Rexxi said something he shouldn't have, and instead of just saying "yeah I said this and I misspoke out of anger/behaved in a manor I was not well aware of it being offensive, I will at the very least try to do better in the future" he doubled down. What you said about Weak3n in the end is what was going through my mind with his twitter takes. He did a lot of detracting and also like you said, he has a terrible track record with how he's talked about/treated women with his platform in the past.
Respectfully disagree
@@dabd8175yeah it’s been handled he doesn’t have to apologize for anything. Those 2 have personal beef and her airing it out is a bad look
@@Iog0utWell the first time around it was handled while in a private call. Rexxi was the one that brought it up on the world's stage, that's entirely on him and it's a new situation from what had already been handled. Regardless of whether or not he meant it in a sexist manner is up for debate, however a fair opinion is to say that he said what he said in an inappropriate setting as well as it being an irrelevant/random thing to say during the event publicly. That is something to apologize for.
Some people dont deserve megaphones. Hopefully it all gets sorted out
Thats the first time ive ever heard travis kelce referrenced as as taylor swifts boyfriend and not his name 😂
Only reason non Americans know him xD
@@scalpingsnake caught me off guard that's so funny tho
I’m American and idk his name, he’s Taylor’s swifts bf
Have a good pub quiz night Pol
I saw TempestInATeacup get raided on twitch, and she acted all friendly and thankful for the viewers. Later on, she and some "yes man" absolutely shit talked the streamer and laughed at him. In 10min I learned enough of her. Just wanted to share that.
Yeah, shes a notorious yapper. No wonder someone finally told her to "sit down", or whatever it was.
Delightful pub quiz update, can't believe I forgot about chlorine!
Always enjoy hearing your level-headed takes.
Will always come back for the pub quiz update
Hello Paul! I just wanted to say that I love Hayzer and SMITE
We need SPL so we can focus on the fun drama :(
felt so stupid i could remember chloride but couldnt remember what elements made up chloride (chlorine duh). And I'm dead sober.
Eh, this is just shit people being shit tbf. Sounds like it's getting taken over by people who have no part in what actually happened and who are not able/willing to find a solution for what has happened.
The biggest shock to me though, was that Peroni wasn't in the top 6 beers! I guessed the top 6 to be Heineken, Becks, Carlsberg, Peroni, Jupiler and something i don't remember anymore lol.
Regardless of this specific drama, can we agree that Rexsi is indeed a toxic guy and smite viewers love influencers of this type?
Irish bias, but I’m shocked Guinness wasn’t in the top 6 of best selling European beers in Europe.
On the drama, never met Rexsi, but I’m a huge fan of the please stop talking podcast and the episode where Punk Duck hung out with Rexsi and came to the conclusion Rexsi might be an incel has some more merit now.
I think they specifically said that Guinness didn't count in the list, can't remember the reasoning but I reckon it would have been in there otherwise!
@@HayzerSmite I can only assume it’s because it’s not a beer and instead a stout
Is it possible that Rexsi meant putting you in your place from the point of view of "Your not High enough MMR in duel to have an opinion about my game mode" Is it possible its classic gaming elitism rather than it being motivated by her gender? I really dont watch either of them enough to know their personalities in this situation.
It is literally that yes.
She probably said something stupid playing devils advocate about smite (a game she is bad at) and he was talking about how she doesn’t know enough to dispute him which is likely true
It’s crazy seeing this logout guy yap about someone he knows nothing about LOL look up her smiteguru for last year if you’re really curious how “good” she is. Spoiler- she’s definitely good
And it wouldn’t matter if she was bronze, he shouldn’t talk to lower level players like that either. They want balance feedback from everyone, not JUST high level players
I agree its a dick move to treat people like that, classic gamer elitism and such but its not the same as sexism. Also being good at smite and being good/knowledgeable about Duel is two very different games. And as far as i know Rexsi is a major Duel player its his main game mode. So maybe he was being protective/elitist about his game mode but its not fair to call him sexist as well
@@CAndreaL
Good vid Mr Hayzer. I miss fun drama and this was dumb as shit, but i need that pub quiz update.
my favorite smite drama channel :))
So who we canceling 😂
I love ya Paul thanks for being great to me at worlds
as a youtube commentor, i agree we suck
The whole “men commit suicide more often” stat is so disingenuous when talking about gamers because the reasoning is so much different. The demographic of men committing suicide is so swayed by the lives that they come back to with little to no support after experiencing war and death on a scale that is nothing but evil. If we’re going to talk about a video game community that statistic has almost no place.
I get what weaken is saying but I'm like it comes off as him saying everyone gets shit maybe we shouldnt yalk about it... or its all the same. Like i know thats not what hes saying but it comes off as him downplaying minority based abuse cos their not the same
Answer: World is about 50/50 male and female. Those that game are a minor percentage of the world population. Gaming (not counting your rando time waster mobile games) attacts mostly males. Has always been that way, and always will be that way. Now we are talking about a percentage of a percentage. Next, those gamers who are attracted to competitive gaming is a percentage of a percentage of a percentage. Males tend to be more interested in competitive games. And those that have the required skills to compete in high level competitive gaming is a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of a percentage. The reason you dont see more females on stage is because their pool is tiny compared to the male pool. Factor in that this is Smite and not a giant game, their pool is almost no one.
It isnt a cultural thing, it isnt a company thing. Its just a female thing. And thats ok. More male get into basketball too. And thats ok. It is what it is. People are different, so you arent going to get 50/50 in anything where personal choice is a factor.
Lmao. I’m all for treating women better than we treat each other but true equality would not be calling guys words and then all of a sudden it’s a problem because it’s a girl. Doesn’t seem too equal if that is the goal. Even though he is wrong, Rexis comms should’ve never been shared with someone else. If you listen to listen in’s, they say much worse things than that during spl games. Idk tho.
You think she's called Piper Perry, eh? 📸
Holy cringe virtue signaling sorry couldnt make it past the first 30 seconds of that guys rant
Thanks for the pubquiz update tho
What a great havering!
great decision pol
J2Ruto actually manipulated this so well
Pretty based take. The bar was low. I do not get Weak3n's misdirection tweets. And I read the twit longer. I liked the point that the stress was to not harass Rexi, since action had been taken already. So it was disappointing to me too that Rexsi also doubled down in response.
I hope that some conent creators try to be more open minded in result of this drama.
I am not sure how the Smite space compares to other esports. I am glad you are not such a misogynistic space. I hope you can use your level-headedness to help steer Smite Twitter and Content Creators in a better direction. Big ask of course, like you said, societal problem. But if you have any ideas you would know best how to implement them.
Love ya, Pol
Yeah pub quiz!!!!!
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we cant really say much on the rexsi vs temp without context cause context is everything with the wording she quoted him saying. however hi rez punished him and she is a Olympian so anyone saying these rude things would be reported and taken action on swiftly. so isnt that problem fixed? we cant stop people from saying mean things on the internet we can only punish them from the majority/admins a lot of what is being said is just video games as a whole people always say the rudest thing they can get away with when they are angry without repercussions the more you deviate from the majority the more things added to what is said. i in no way agree with the sexist remarks that were quoted but i have to imagine if you are any minority in a game weather it be gender,race,age,height,weight, for visable medical problems they would all be targeted by trolls people just arent nice on the internet and it sucks but only making everything on the internet a quick chat would fix it. and they would still fined ways to say things anyways ie) you rock!,cancel that!)
THE B WORD OH NO 😱
He really said 4 men instead of 5...
Daredevil made a profit?????
Hell yeah we suck 🥴
On the specific comments mentioned "b!tch" and "put in your place" while those have been used as sexist comments, they are also pretty common gamer trash talk regardless of gender. In a vacuum those dont mean much.
The discord conversation from this pov seems heavily against rexsi but there are 3 sides to every argument, side a side b and the truth. While im not disputing rexsi acting poorly, i do wonder about context. From what i saw on stage, tempe does not appear to be a high level player and while she may have a following ive personally always been against patches being targeted to the lower end playerbase. I don wonder if the outburst had more to do with tempe's skill vs gender as ive seen that in rexsi's streams/vods.
She’s a masters level player fyi
@@CAndreaL she did not look it on stage honestly
my comment got deleted? yikes
Not by me!
I mean everyone should agree that sexism does not belong anywhere but the whole thing about women being underrepresented is silly. Many games have had female pros or even a team of female pros. They unfortunately don’t tend to be able to stack with the rest. I’m not saying it’s because they’re women but if you look into gamer demographics, the large amount of gamers are male, the proportion of gamers who play competitive style games is heavily favoured to men again, it’s simple probabilities, if you have two pools of players and one is 700% larger then you are more likely to get more outliers (top level players) in the larger group. Add onto that backed studies showing that women are less likely to pursue a career that is unstable, less likely to move for work etc you are not only looking for outliers in the player base but outliers that meet other non-regular (can’t think of the correct word) requirements.
Will this change over time? Who knows, men and women are not the same, they have different bodies, brains, hormones which heavily impact the way we behave.
In regards to casters that is a slightly different matter, a lot of it could be personal preference but, taking football for example, I have not listened to a female commentator/presenter that feels like they express as much passion and emotion than most males. I think many are very knowledgeable and understand the game well but either they don’t have the same levels of passion or they feel they have to be more reserved whereas a man’s commentary tends to be uninhibited and raw. Again maybe this will change over time as societal norms shift.
J2 really just trying to get some that's all this is 😂
I don't understand the drama man. Everyone's trying to bring up different/their own experiences, which is totally fine because NO ONE should be harassed. But can we start with apologizing to each other for the original statements? LMFAO. Tempest said her part, is trying to bring light to harassment to women, and its a real problem in many many communities, including ours. Weak3n wants to bring light to the fact that men also get harassed and it's not good for anyone, but IDK why it has to be done right that current second. Then so many comments are saying everyone is just soft... which is THE ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE LMFAOOOO, WE MAYBE SHOULDNT HARASS PEOPLE AND THEN TELL THEM THEYRE SOFT WHEN THEY HATE IT. Rexsi now wants to defend himself in some way from the brunt of sexism or something? Instead of just... apologizing?
WHY, is NO ONE, apologizing? Weak3n could have apologized that they had to deal with what was said, and remind people that harassment goes both ways and to be nice to each other... didnt...
Rexsi could have apologized for what he said being taken in a sexist way and he was just trying to shit talk in a game... but didnt...
like wuuuuuuut is going on guys... we can apologize to each other and work together to make gaming spaces safer for all, no?
It seems what Rexi said has sexist undertones. But without knowing what his "outburst" consisted of and without knowing what caused it there is no judgement to be made just yet
I just want the best players in the smite pro league at the end of the day when smite pro league comes back or whatever they do.
I hope people know that these problems cannot and will not EVER be fixed. It's just not realistic. We can talk about ideals and this utopian future we wish to see, but it's just not possible. At the end of the day, it's a game. People take games seriously. They get us going. They make us say things, that, get this, we do not mean. We're just livid and need to express it. Iirc, Rexsi has been going thru some shit recently, not sure he's in the best head space to begin with. Instead of taking every single thing ever said so literally, we gotta remember, it's a fucking game. Unless you've been physically attacked, or relentlessly bullied repeatedly (idk who tf in smite actually does this), just turn the game off. Log off the socials. SMITE is not worth the drama or pain you think you may or may not be receiving.
That is such a terrible way to view it though surely? Also this sentiment is literally part of the problem. Not only do you say it can never be fully fixed therefore it shouldn't be but you also casually excuse Rexsi multiple times.
How is a content creator and literally Olympian/Ambassador for Smite supposed to just not play smite... to avoid this?
Can you not imagine someone saying exactly this about homophobia, racism, voting rights for women etc. etc. over the years though? Change is possible, and it's worth doing, I think just saying "Nothing's ever going to change so why bother trying" is extremely lame and incorrect.
For the birds 🥱
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What the fuck is a "b-word"?
Its really starting to get difficult to keep up with what word american snowflakes on twitter got upset about this month, and decided its wrongthink to use. We're gonna need a dictionary soon at this rate.
We already have a-word, b-word, c-word, d-word... is there an e-word? F-word we have multiple of (surely this needs to be sorted out, you cant be getting upset at someone calling someone else f-word#1 when they actually meant f-word#2).... is there a g-word yet too?
it isnt a twitter argument until one side is talking about how evil women are and the other side is making the most ridiculous comparisons possible
Pointless drama with a bunch of soft spineless people. Nothing compares to the trash talking in old MW2. If this is a problem, MW2 lobbies were war crimes. You even had gamers following other people in their lobbies or spam messaging them just to continue the barrage of insults.
Bro, people are too soft, no one gives a shit
Women and drama. Who would have thought
That dude needs to shut up about equality, yhere is auch a thing as skill and the person most qualified for yhe job should get it, im sick of hearing about analytics and saying your ratios are off
Females 😂
Holy shit ten years of this game being playable and we’re just finding out now that the player base is filled with toxic trolls? Every game I go into there’s an autolock damage dealer that does below 20k damage and shit talks the whole game. Been told to kill myself over the VGS multiple times for as little as having a bad game. I’m not saying that it’s okay to be a piece of shit, but turn off VGS chat, mute your teammates, it’s a very simple thing. Oh boy here comes the “they shouldn’t have to” comments. Which is true they shouldn’t have to but you can take yourself out of these situations. I’m not saying that being toxic is okay by any means or that we should tolerate it, but either learn to take yourself out of the situation or learn to zone it out/disregard it. Some of yall wouldn’t last in the old MW2 lobbies. I’ve seen plenty of tweets from these threads of screenshots of them being harassed but if they would have stopped communicating with the person it wouldn’t have escalated as badly as it did. Again not saying it’s okay to be a piece of shit or to not defend yourself but it’ll happen a lot less if you stop communicating. If you play smite play with friends and disregard your other teammates. It’s that simple
Yikes ppl say all type of shit to get back and stick it to people in games especially in heat of the moment grow up lol move on
Biased
If getting called a female dog is the worst thing that happens to you that day, you’re doing pretty ok 👍 seems like clout chasing
/s Nice contribution to the conversation. Perfectly tone-deaf and reductive
Lmao lol even.
On the real though how many women in their late teens early twenties want to grind comp smite for 12+ hours a day? On the off chance they can make a small living?
Not many! 😂
This is a poor generalised comment. Do you even know any female gamers?
True, and is fine I mean who cares if women and men prefer to spend their hours on diff thing. Don't see what the whole hoopla is that more men play comp/ranked smite then women. Is like how women make up most of the psychology field, men arent complaining about representation and being the minority in the field.
The stage comment (in a vacuum) sounds like some crap shit talk. It does have sexist tones to it, but if you drop the "b word" it is just trash talk against someone you have beef with. Does it look bad to have content creators with beef on stage for the content creator show match? Idk. I think "bitch" is probably just a remnant word that doesn't have the same intent as it conveys. Most name calling is generic filler, and doing away with "lazy" insults is probably for the better anyway
Psychologists have done plenty of studies on women in gaming, and they catch a disproportionate amount of hate when they do well. This is likely the main reason you don't catch many women at the top of Esports. The psychology at play is more complex than I can cover here, but the comments aren't even directly sexist most of the time.
Eh the fact that they had a prior issue in the discord chat leads me to think it wasn't just general shit talk and it was targeted. There is so much you can say to celebrate a good play. Like Hayzer said even if the words used weren't meant in a sexist way, it can still come off that way.
Remember when the valks had a girl coach, and proceeded to lose every game. GIRL POWER!!!
This is an incredibly dismissive video. You're part of the problem. You could have used your voice to make the smite community a better place for women but instead you're perpetuating sexist behavior by labelling tempy as dramatic and by not calling out Rexsi for his sexist comments.
To say what exactly? If you think that this issue will be fixed after Paul says stop, then you are truly lost. It should have never happened, ban him and move on. Stop looking for unnecessary attention.
I didn't intend to label Tempy as dramatic, and I feel like I was pretty clear that I think Rexsi's comments had sexist undertones and so were unacceptable, what do you think I said that I shouldn't have or what did I not say that I should have? I was also trying to respect what Tempy said in her tweet - which was that she didn't want a witch hunt or abuse hurled at Rexsi - so maybe I was too gentle in my saying if it isn't a pattern this can be the end of it, was that the problem?
To be absolutely clear, I think there is pretty obviously a problem in the way that women get treated in gaming communities, and that we should all be making an effort to make Smite a space that is more open to all, and I like to think that I live with that intention in mind as I participate in the community day to day.
I think just the title “stupid smite drama” does feel dismissive, just my 2 cents
@@CAndreaL Aye, I did consider that could be the issue, but I think from the context of the video it's clear that I don't consider the content of the drama stupid, more I find talking about it is fraught with danger and draining due to the general reaction to this kind of stuff in comments sections. I'll change it anyway, to make it clear that I do not consider the drama itself not serious.
Hayzer I love you