Since the video was filmed, the prices have been updated: AXS XPLR will cost $1,195 // £1,227 // €1,371 Mechanical XPLR will cost: $947 // £1,015 // €1,126
@@blinzi69 wait for the real prices. This are full prices without discount. I don't understand why they do this. For example Zipp 303s full price is over 1200€. In reviews they test them in the group of similar priced wheels and they score average. But when you go to buy them they are 850€ and all other wheels are 1200€. If they would put real price they would be best price performance wheels in tests. Same was with 105 di2 and now is cheaper then rival.
@@rob-c. I am waiting in the invention of a hypersonic bike gear changes why not invent a automatic bike that uses electricity i forgot arent they e bikes🤣
Crazy price for a FOURTH tier groupset. Pluck a number out of thin air? However I'm guessing it'll actually be supplied to bike brands much much cheaper and we'll see it on £2500 bikes. Also... 12 speed again. Who needs that?
To be fair, having 12 sprockets gives you smaller jumps between cogs when you are only running 1 chainring. Being cynical - how else are they going to get people to upgrade from 11 speed 😅
@@rob-c. True, but tell folks if they want to upgrade they can buy Force or Red? Also yeah, smoother transition in cadence with more sprockets but sometimes gonna need extra clicks to reach a particular gear. And... more easily put out of whack if you bump your mech? Can you tell, I'm the odd guy that actually upgraded from 11 to a 10 speed!!😄
@@peterharrington8709 You actually remind me of the people getting upset back in the day when cassettes started hitting 9 speed. "Eddie won five on five" was often regurgitated. Well, if Eddie had 9, or 12, he would have used it. The 12 speed does offer better range. Great if you do a lot of climbing.
You can get SRAM red 2 x axs rim brake group set and use the really excellent semi hydro juin tech disc brakes - for around £800. I use it on my gravel bike, brakes just as good as full hydros (I think).
@@funnyelevator i don't think so.. these are MSRPs (manufacturer's suggested retail price), which is how much you'd expect to pay for an item if you buy it in a shop with the inclusion of tax. Doesn't mean the price won't vary from that. Anyawy this difference feels like bulshit
I have two jobs on weekdays. I work from 9:30am to 11:30pm. I get all my Trainer Road rides done too. On weekends, I go out and ride with my friends in the morning and work at 3pm till 10pm. I think, if we want something bad enough, we’ll eventually work our way to get it. 😁
@@ariffau Reliability and availability of spare parts are one of the reasons. If you only have one bike and your LTWOO groupset breaks. You could be without a bike for a month waiting for the parts to arrive from China.
This groupset makes no sense, all they had to do was release additional cranksets. What we need is a cheap rim brake axs groupset. Scram is missing the boat
When people say that journalists are out of touch with the "common people" I always assume they talk about bicycle "journalists". Is there any qualification needed besides being able to read the press releases from the brands?
@@ariffau Due to the absence of ports for satellite shifters in the 105 ST-R7170, no. If you want the ability to do that, you'll need to bump up to the Ultegra ST-R8170.
Since the video was filmed, the prices have been updated:
AXS XPLR will cost $1,195 // £1,227 // €1,371
Mechanical XPLR will cost: $947 // £1,015 // €1,126
the rival sells for under 1k now - how does this add up if its a lower tier?
@@blinzi69 wait for the real prices. This are full prices without discount. I don't understand why they do this. For example Zipp 303s full price is over 1200€. In reviews they test them in the group of similar priced wheels and they score average. But when you go to buy them they are 850€ and all other wheels are 1200€. If they would put real price they would be best price performance wheels in tests. Same was with 105 di2 and now is cheaper then rival.
Over £1k for a 4th tier groupset? When will the madness end.....
The madness stops when people stops buying them at those prices.
I could possibly stomach 1k for wireless, but not for mechanical. Why would I upgrade from my 6800 Ultegra?
@@rob-c. I am waiting in the invention of a hypersonic bike gear changes why not invent a automatic bike that uses electricity i forgot arent they e bikes🤣
I applaud zwift for quick shipping. My new controllers will be here tomorrow.
Crazy price for a FOURTH tier groupset. Pluck a number out of thin air? However I'm guessing it'll actually be supplied to bike brands much much cheaper and we'll see it on £2500 bikes.
Also... 12 speed again. Who needs that?
To be fair, having 12 sprockets gives you smaller jumps between cogs when you are only running 1 chainring. Being cynical - how else are they going to get people to upgrade from 11 speed 😅
@@rob-c. True, but tell folks if they want to upgrade they can buy Force or Red? Also yeah, smoother transition in cadence with more sprockets but sometimes gonna need extra clicks to reach a particular gear. And... more easily put out of whack if you bump your mech? Can you tell, I'm the odd guy that actually upgraded from 11 to a 10 speed!!😄
@@peterharrington8709 You actually remind me of the people getting upset back in the day when cassettes started hitting 9 speed. "Eddie won five on five" was often regurgitated. Well, if Eddie had 9, or 12, he would have used it. The 12 speed does offer better range. Great if you do a lot of climbing.
I will stick to my 9 year old group set - and wait for the next generation of Ltwoo group set 🎉
Ltwoo cost more then shimano 😬
You can get SRAM red 2 x axs rim brake group set and use the really excellent semi hydro juin tech disc brakes - for around £800. I use it on my gravel bike, brakes just as good as full hydros (I think).
can someone please inform SRAM that their currency conversion rates are backwards? How can it possibly cost 200 more in Euros than in Dollars??
Ever heard of VAT? US prices don't include it. EUR do include 17-25% VAT depending on the country
Adding on to what @@funnyelevator said, different parts of the world have different pricing.
It’s regional marketing.
@@funnyelevator i don't think so.. these are MSRPs (manufacturer's suggested retail price), which is how much you'd expect to pay for an item if you buy it in a shop with the inclusion of tax. Doesn't mean the price won't vary from that. Anyawy this difference feels like bulshit
@@ricardorusso1462in USA no. Coz you have different Vat in different state. So you have always count + Vat.
Disappointed not 2x and $1000+ for a 1x drivertrain. What is the cost for each part? As I would only need the shifters/brakes and rd with cassette.
it doenst add up to me as the rival axs xplr sells for under 1k now
Wait for the real price
Bicycle's groupset cost as much as motorcycle's drivetrain lol
Shoutout to Microshift.
1195$ - CHEAP BUDGET GROUPSET
Lmao! My thoughts exactly
I have two jobs on weekdays. I work from 9:30am to 11:30pm.
I get all my Trainer Road rides done too.
On weekends, I go out and ride with my friends in the morning and work at 3pm till 10pm.
I think, if we want something bad enough, we’ll eventually work our way to get it. 😁
Btw, nobody is stopping you from getting L-Twoo eRX groupset. 😁
@@ariffau Reliability and availability of spare parts are one of the reasons.
If you only have one bike and your LTWOO groupset breaks. You could be without a bike for a month waiting for the parts to arrive from China.
*cheap electronic groupset
No real competitors? It's more expensive than 105 Di2
How? Apex AXS starts at $1200, while 105 Di2 starts at $1900
@@bebopman5 in europe 105 DI2 is 1100€ and rival is 1200€
This groupset makes no sense, all they had to do was release additional cranksets. What we need is a cheap rim brake axs groupset. Scram is missing the boat
@SRAM APPLAUSE!!! APPLAUSE!!! APPLAUSE!!!💯👍
When people say that journalists are out of touch with the "common people" I always assume they talk about bicycle "journalists". Is there any qualification needed besides being able to read the press releases from the brands?
Hope you weren’t smoking something illegal 😂😂😂
In which version of reality is £1200 " cheap " ? Many people would struggle to afford £1200 for a complete bike .
1k….. your paying £700 for a battery pack
Do your research cycling weekly
lmao you can grab a 105 di2 2x12s for $1200 right now on the internets
Is there satellite shifters / sprinters’ shifters / climbers’ shifters for 105 Di2?
MSRP for 105 Di2 is still $1900/$2K. Using that price is the most objective way to compare.
@@ariffau Due to the absence of ports for satellite shifters in the 105 ST-R7170, no. If you want the ability to do that, you'll need to bump up to the Ultegra ST-R8170.
You can’t compare a post release price with an RRP
First
Cheap?!?! What planet do you live on?
Cheap? Really?