Awwww man that sucks. Only into my first breeding season so can’t really help with what happened here. 1st clutch is on day 48, 2nd clutch totally slugged out, 3rd female got almost to ovi then reabsorbed. Thanks for sharing & wishing you substantially better luck with all your following clutches 👍
Thank you for the video! Its always important to document the good and the bad. And again, so sorry for your lost clutch, they were so beautiful 😭💔 Only the best for the next clutches! Have you thought about putting a wireless digital thermometer that records the temperatures and humidity inside the egg boxes? I just started using them for my maternal incubations and its really a nice touch to be able to see the temperatures on my phone to look over any fluctuations. You did mention that you put your incubator at 90°,do you know the temperature that was in the egg box itself? I myself try to aim for 86-89°(consistant temperature) in the eggbox, 88° has been my usual sweet spot, just incase it does get a little warmer, as 91/92°^ starts to get into the deformity territory, not always but they do better with lower temperatures rather than higher ones; the only thing with lower temps is they take longer to develop which definitely tests your patience 😂
Hey Olivia! Thank you! So I do have a wireless thermometer and haven't witnessed any spikes. Shockingly I know someone that incubates at 92-93 and works out okay lol. But I wouldn't rule it out of course. I still believe mama is the cause.
i’m pretty sure i’ve heard usually when whole clutches come out this way it’s due to the male jus throwing horror story’s into the eggs, at least one of the snakes parenting this clutch must have some issue going on
I do believe it's the female as the sire has fathered multiple clutches for me so far. Mom gave me 5 slugs last year and 10 fertile eggs this year. But who knows what's going on really.
I wouldnt beat urself up on this one. Theres clearly some genetic issues going on. Either way it sucks, but it happens. Hang in there brother it gets better. U didnt say how old or big momma was.
In my opinion, I believe mom is anywhere from 4 to 5 years old. Maybe less honestly. Started breeding her at 3300 grams and this is her second clutch ever. First clutch all slugs as it was her first time. Now I'm thinking there might be something up with her as the father has given me multiple healthy babies clutches with different females. Will possibly try a different male with her next season.
@@Nocturnal_Pythons 3300 grams? Wow that's a big girl. Another piece of good info would have been this is her second clutch. As u know slugs first go around is not unheard of but if she's that big and healthy and this still happens points to genetics. Hate to go there but there is spider in the mix, and I've had issues myself with female bumblebees when breeding. Personally never had any head wobble or star gazing or any neurological issues but have had issues when breeding with spider. Champagne is the only head wobble I've ever produced but I'm just one person
@@Nocturnal_Pythons normally, and this is just my experience, slugs first go around is because the dam is too young or small, more then because it's their first clutch. But again that's just been my experience. This is where an ultrasound would come in handy as u could track her follicle growth. If it was me, I'd move on to another snake and sell her as pet only, but I have a lot of balls in reserve so it's easier for me. Def get how tough it is, we put so much time and energy and generally we actually care about the animals. I got a huge boost when I started working with other breeders in my area, we could share info, genetics with swapping males, etc. Then u kinda work as a group, one guy has the ultrasound, etc etc
@@mrmouse-ol9pw Yea I totally agree on the spider affecting the clutch. She's is is definitely one of my best eaters and haven't seen any indication of wobble with her but I know wobble can still exist with the offspring. I have a buddy of mine that's been helping me through the whole process as he has way more experience than me so he always has an answer to my concerns with anything. I need some more breeder friends lol
@@mrmouse-ol9pw Yea, I plan ongoing to high end ball pythons by this year and replacing all my single and double co dom females. The idea for this year was to produce het Paints as is cheaper just to make my own hets at the moment.
Awwww man that sucks. Only into my first breeding season so can’t really help with what happened here. 1st clutch is on day 48, 2nd clutch totally slugged out, 3rd female got almost to ovi then reabsorbed. Thanks for sharing & wishing you substantially better luck with all your following clutches 👍
Thank you brother. That's unfortunate, keep pushing I'm sure things will be better next season!
Man, sorry for the loss of the clutch.
Thank you man, Much appreciated! Hopefully the rest will be great.
Thank you for the video! Its always important to document the good and the bad. And again, so sorry for your lost clutch, they were so beautiful 😭💔 Only the best for the next clutches!
Have you thought about putting a wireless digital thermometer that records the temperatures and humidity inside the egg boxes? I just started using them for my maternal incubations and its really a nice touch to be able to see the temperatures on my phone to look over any fluctuations. You did mention that you put your incubator at 90°,do you know the temperature that was in the egg box itself? I myself try to aim for 86-89°(consistant temperature) in the eggbox, 88° has been my usual sweet spot, just incase it does get a little warmer, as 91/92°^ starts to get into the deformity territory, not always but they do better with lower temperatures rather than higher ones; the only thing with lower temps is they take longer to develop which definitely tests your patience 😂
Hey Olivia! Thank you! So I do have a wireless thermometer and haven't witnessed any spikes. Shockingly I know someone that incubates at 92-93 and works out okay lol. But I wouldn't rule it out of course. I still believe mama is the cause.
Crazy how far developed they were. So sorry for your experience 😢
Yea I couldn't believe it. Once it hit day 60 I knew something was up. But I'm sure everyone experiences this at some point in this hobby.
i’m pretty sure i’ve heard usually when whole clutches come out this way it’s due to the male jus throwing horror story’s into the eggs, at least one of the snakes parenting this clutch must have some issue going on
I do believe it's the female as the sire has fathered multiple clutches for me so far. Mom gave me 5 slugs last year and 10 fertile eggs this year. But who knows what's going on really.
I wouldnt beat urself up on this one. Theres clearly some genetic issues going on. Either way it sucks, but it happens. Hang in there brother it gets better. U didnt say how old or big momma was.
In my opinion, I believe mom is anywhere from 4 to 5 years old. Maybe less honestly. Started breeding her at 3300 grams and this is her second clutch ever. First clutch all slugs as it was her first time. Now I'm thinking there might be something up with her as the father has given me multiple healthy babies clutches with different females. Will possibly try a different male with her next season.
@@Nocturnal_Pythons 3300 grams? Wow that's a big girl. Another piece of good info would have been this is her second clutch. As u know slugs first go around is not unheard of but if she's that big and healthy and this still happens points to genetics. Hate to go there but there is spider in the mix, and I've had issues myself with female bumblebees when breeding. Personally never had any head wobble or star gazing or any neurological issues but have had issues when breeding with spider. Champagne is the only head wobble I've ever produced but I'm just one person
@@Nocturnal_Pythons normally, and this is just my experience, slugs first go around is because the dam is too young or small, more then because it's their first clutch. But again that's just been my experience. This is where an ultrasound would come in handy as u could track her follicle growth. If it was me, I'd move on to another snake and sell her as pet only, but I have a lot of balls in reserve so it's easier for me. Def get how tough it is, we put so much time and energy and generally we actually care about the animals. I got a huge boost when I started working with other breeders in my area, we could share info, genetics with swapping males, etc. Then u kinda work as a group, one guy has the ultrasound, etc etc
@@mrmouse-ol9pw Yea I totally agree on the spider affecting the clutch. She's is is definitely one of my best eaters and haven't seen any indication of wobble with her but I know wobble can still exist with the offspring. I have a buddy of mine that's been helping me through the whole process as he has way more experience than me so he always has an answer to my concerns with anything. I need some more breeder friends lol
@@mrmouse-ol9pw Yea, I plan ongoing to high end ball pythons by this year and replacing all my single and double co dom females. The idea for this year was to produce het Paints as is cheaper just to make my own hets at the moment.