29:31 the Ursas team only need 2 points from the 2 games against the Crimson Chickens to get to the playoffs ... so be ready to face heavy armored factions with a lot of javelins ! while the CC need 6 points from the 2 games versus the Ursas to be qualified.. you will need to make more risky choices of factions...or a risky sally out being successfull. good luck Apollo n Ruvak
@@jebediahkerman3610 @pixiepoo yeah you are both right ... i thought if you wanna win without comparing your won/lost games ratios... and then i fell in the rabbit hole about if you win your defensive game but lost your offensive one minus penalties for pulling through with some cavs... and now i need to cure an headache lol. but i will then advice both teams to pick up the best factions as both of you just want to win both games ;=) and that will be epic !!!!
You said it in the commentary Apollo. We didn't know the results of your games against winged whumsars as we was playing at the same. After losing 1st match against ursas we kinda knew we was out of the tournament and in chat we did consider going with rome and tylis but decided we didn't want to end up with minus points if we won on defense.
I wish they updated sparta's faction in the game for I just recently watch a video by youtuber called "Invicta" on sparta. I think they should be set as to have the highest moral in game for they are known to die to the man and rarely taken prisoners. They should add many more formation options for them. For in a organizational standpoint of armies in that era they have the one of highest degree compared to other armies of the time, besides rome.
Thing is by the time of the game Sparta really wasn’t doing too hot. They’re military couldn’t compete with the Macedonians and other Successor states. Their caste system was falling apart and very few spartonids could afford to keep their positions due to a ban on commerce. After Philip of Macedon Sparta was effectively dead in the water and irrelevant to the politics of the region
@@zal7782 Yeah, I learned also one of the reasons to their fall is their population has a continuous decline thus they can't continue to field their armies and became reliate to allied states and mercenaries to fight their wars. But according to the video I have seen they are of the key armies that set the foundation of having more officers down to unit level that was then greater enhanced by the romans and other nations to the present.
@@sinonkryze3638they were definetly innovators and honestly they’re represented decently in the game. There would be one last attempt at restoring hegemony in the Peloponnese peninsula by Sparta after the games start game. It would be crushed by the Antigonids and Sparta would never able to raise another army
Sparta in time of Rome was nothing and they were nothing century before Romans even united Italy. They tried many times to enslave rest of Greece with help from Persia and they failed. They tried to defeat Macedons in the beginning with Persian support and they failed. Their military might was such big that they achieved to kill most of their citizens in offensive wars and yet they enslaved and ruined only fraction of Greece. To become Spartan you had to be born as pure blooded Spartan and also basicly millionaire, or risk to become another hellot and maybe another human sacrifice. This millitary superpower without any resistance was turned into freak show circus few moments later after Romans arrived. I like Spartan super soldier mythos, it definitly brought interest into history for many people, just dont mix reality with over hyped fantasy 😅
The Wolf Gang team saved your lives in this tournament and they knew how to better use the city to their advantage by retreating to more advantageous points, in addition to the fact that the player who used the Lusitani made a better choice of troops for this battle than you in the previous one and it was actually quite noticeable in the way in which he was able to defeat the Spartans and Syracusans more easily, although neither of them has the same advantage in projectiles as Pergamum (even so, I still believe that if you in instead of a cavalry unit, you would have rolled one more Veteran Shields or two cheap swordsmen, you would have won). XD
The mention at the beginning of how Sparta should not be glorified much because they lost, reminded me of the Trojans football team. I have long wondered why anybody would choose for their mascot the side that lost the Trojan War.
Ok but spartan society would quite literally qualify under the majority of agreed upon factors which constitutes a fascistic society in academia.... so no there's not just two ideologies mine and fascism but that doesn't change that in a modern context spartan society would most certainly be considered far closer to fascism than anything else especially democracy. Call me crazy but I think that might not be the best group to model our military after which already does a great job pillaging most of the world for its resources.
Hey Apollo, I noticed it's been almost a year since you uploaded a LOTR related vid. I came to your channe lsince I'm a big LOTR and battle-game fan, and I was wondering If you were planning on going back to them? I know you made a lot, so taking a break is understandable! I haven't played my usual games a lot rn so I get it, but If you do plan on it, i'll be thrilled!
The Spartans were not that big of a deal. They created an aura of invencibilidade but they had a similar win ratio to other Greeks. Theban sacred band were much more well regarded.
What if their win rate is so low because the ones who decided to fight them were only the ones strong enough to challenge them, and the weaker ones just didn't fight at all?
The Spartans also had to be very careful about when and how much of their army they took on campaign because the threat of a Helot uprising. Most of their armies had a contingent of Spartans with the rest being Allies and slave soldiers.
I have heard people say that as well. So, what if they weren’t winners most of the time. But it’s not about that. It’s about their ethos. For example, the Vikings were hardly empire builders but they were feared as fighters. Sometimes it’s not about their wins or expansion. Another example, the Japanese soldier during WW2 was something to be respected and feared. They lost battle after battle, but they were hardened and strong fighters.
While I agree somewhat with you saying 'fascism didn't exist.' Isn't that why they put proto in front of it? Also, just because something didnt have a name or a fleshed out system (such as when Mussolini created the term Fascism) that doesn't mean Fascism didn't exist in the past. It really comes down to how you view Fascism, but then that opens the door for interpretations of many things. Like if you think Mussolini created Fascism and only his system is Fascist, then Fascism has only actually been tried one time (Mussolini's Italy). All other attempts weren't really Fascist, such as Nazi Germany. So if we want to be literal, we can be, but then history becomes very difficult to explain because no nation has ever been like another nation. They always have some differences in their governance, economic systems, etc. Do you see how complicated history would be if we didn't generalize some stuff? I am not an expert on Sparta, so I can't really comment whether they were Fascist or not. Obviously, if we are being literal, no, they weren't Fascist. Fascism wasn't even a term back then. However, it may be a case where they were Fascist before we had a term for it (hence the proto-fascist label).
Great stuff. And your commentary's the best, even though you don't stumble that much anymore, to my great sorrow.. How can you constantly miss a letter "U" with a letter "A" and then you just give up and call them "Bears".. I'm dying 🤣 I wish you all the luck in next battles, you have every chance to get to the playoffs. In your last battle you were an inch to the victory, if the equipment didn't fkd you up and the walls crumbled as they should, and if you didn't forget 2 units crushed by javelins at the end game you'd get it. All the best
A Gaelic Spartan is a Spartan which is me I was born and raised in sparti Greece and my mother is from Ireland which makes me Gaelic which is the langauge spoken in Ireland so I’m a Gaelic Spartan
@@MillSheppard I’ve never heard anyone refer to their heritage like that. Sparta don’t even exist anymore and Irish people are just called Irish not Gaelic. You don’t see regular ass white people saying “I’m a Gaelic Roman” (Irishi Italian) It just doesn’t make any sense.
going Messagatae and pontus is a good defense for Eildon all you need to do is have Ruvak use his horse archers to snipe the arty so you can stack your units by the walls in case they land, if they do land just pila them to death, so bringing 5 pontic peltasts should be good with 7 pontic swords and the rest theureos dont cheveron anything, its a waste
this will also give you 4 points so you can use stronger factions on attack cause eildon is a hard map to attack, make sure to burn those towers since most games they are the mvps
Foreign Policy is a very well respected magazine on geopolitics: I read the article, the point is to combat the “sparta is epic” talking point (looking at you Apollo) and to actually look at the culture, society, and battlefield successes. sparta was a strong land army force for ~300 years, but you wouldn’t want the modern US army to operate like them and much of their culture goes against our values, but a bunch of less thoughtful or knowledgeable people go around with ‘molon labe’ stickers on their cars mostly because 300 made them popular for normies, ‘SPQR’ would be closer to our values
And it was a brutal slave-state that literally destroyed itself by concentrating the wealth and rights into too small of a population. Can't exactly field an effective army when you only have 1,500 citizens, lol.
@@PixelatedApollo1 Situations are never hopeless in this world, I look to the Reconquista, to the Gates of Vienna and such things as Richard the Lion's impossible tasks made manifest by iron will and Godly intention. We look at such things and draw strength while petty men skulk in the shadows.
To be fair… Thermopylae was a pretty decisive defeat for the Greeks in a strategic sense. Using Herodotus’s on number 4,000 Greeks died and 20,000 Persians. It did not slow down the Persian army long enough for them to fail to complete their objective of getting revenge on Athens. Considering it broke the best defensive position the Greeks had to keep out an army and saw Boetia and Attica overrun I don’t think the battle really had any impact on the course of the war. Besides… Spartans were no match for 300 sacred bois
Aren't there rules? Like X archers, X javelin, etc. Also, some units throw pila/javs, but are actually a melee unit (which means they don't count as a skirmishing/ranged unit)
mm...probably not fascism lol, Sparta was a authortarian warrior esc culture that lost most of its battles...but pretty much just because of 1 battle...which has been heavily dramatized to create the romantic narrative. So I get it...Spartans in military culture are hheeavvvilllyy overused....granted though, its not like we dont do the same thing with other symbolic groups or cultures. Frankly the Aztecs would be a better culture for the military to take from, they were a full fledges warrior society, would engage in flower wars (wars bassically that were just to test their warriors might) and would military influence as their form of control and intimidation against other city-states
Fun fact: sparta were the once having slaves, not Persia. And yes the Spartans were defeated over and over again. They are basically over gloryfied slaved owners.... HEY THAT ALSO JUST LIKE THE USA 🤪🤪🤪🤪
@@kiankier7330 well no they are just the first example of a corrupt military state built out of the fear of their own slaves. They came from the sea, enslaved everyone, created a Capitalistic system where landowners had all power and eventually failed due to greed and a failed profithunt
Of course the Achaemenids kept slaves, what do you mean? They took 500 boys from Babylonia every year alone as slaves. Though admittedly it didn't kick off properly until after the Islamic conquest.
Just depends on your definition of Fascism. The downside to history is verbiage and how historians agree/disagree on what terms mean. Fascism is probably the most conflicting term in the modern era from a historical standpoint.
I think the Athenians were cooler than Sparta. Sparta was an interesting part of history, and a unique nation, but I think they tend to get overhyped. BTW just my opinion but I could do without the casual misogynistic jokes. Gaming communities are bad about that, and it pushes away fellow gamers that are female.
The spartan youths were really what dragged them down they didnt do alot for them and they just fell apart quickly should have picked a different unit than that
The article is entirely correct. Spartans were historically a loser society, and they only ended up on the winning side of the Peloponnesian wars due to Persian influence and the power of the other greek city states. On the battle field they were nothing special and were destroyed by the Sacred Band at Leuctra. Throughout their history Sparta struggled with population issues and were scared to death of the helots rising up. Their economy was bad and the actually city of sparta was garbage.
@@hhassana Well they weren't exactly fascist but they were extremely cruel even for the standards to the time. They had the highest slave to population ratio, their slaves were considerably treated the worst, and the Spartans were scared to death of their slaves. But at the end of the day the US army idolizing the Spartans is not good and plays more into the Hollywood narrative rather than the actual history.
@@kiankier7330 Hollywood has blood on their hands for the modern perceptions of Spartans. There are so many cooler and more interesting Greek city states (I think Pergamon and Thebes were way cooler and way more interesting).
18:25 Listen apollo i like your content i really do, but Cmon man, how did you not see the general or the cav, they were literally there from the beginning and i swear seeing the cav like maneuvering around FROM AFAR i was like "APOLLO PLEASE HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE DAMN GENERAL BEHIND ENEMY LINES" or "APOLLO CMON JUST NOTICE THE CAVALRY ON THE FLANK" like man that hurt.
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bro when he shot back at the haters, that was funny af 😆
"they werent good cooks anyways" i lost it 💀🤣
I agree apollo just a real one lol
29:31 the Ursas team only need 2 points from the 2 games against the Crimson Chickens to get to the playoffs ... so be ready to face heavy armored factions with a lot of javelins !
while the CC need 6 points from the 2 games versus the Ursas to be qualified.. you will need to make more risky choices of factions...or a risky sally out being successfull.
good luck Apollo n Ruvak
we need 5 points.
As a matter of fact they need only one point
@@jebediahkerman3610 @pixiepoo yeah you are both right ... i thought if you wanna win without comparing your won/lost games ratios... and then i fell in the rabbit hole about if you win your defensive game but lost your offensive one minus penalties for pulling through with some cavs... and now i need to cure an headache lol.
but i will then advice both teams to pick up the best factions as both of you just want to win both games ;=) and that will be epic !!!!
You said it in the commentary Apollo. We didn't know the results of your games against winged whumsars as we was playing at the same. After losing 1st match against ursas we kinda knew we was out of the tournament and in chat we did consider going with rome and tylis but decided we didn't want to end up with minus points if we won on defense.
imagine ursas faces seeing rome and tylis
You should show a picture of the tournament scoreboards at the start when youre talking about it, would make it easier to keep up!
I wish they updated sparta's faction in the game for I just recently watch a video by youtuber called "Invicta" on sparta. I think they should be set as to have the highest moral in game for they are known to die to the man and rarely taken prisoners. They should add many more formation options for them. For in a organizational standpoint of armies in that era they have the one of highest degree compared to other armies of the time, besides rome.
Yeah, somehow Sparta with one of the strongest Hoplite forces in history, Spartan Hoplites isn't as strong as Late Carthaginian Hoplites
Thing is by the time of the game Sparta really wasn’t doing too hot. They’re military couldn’t compete with the Macedonians and other Successor states. Their caste system was falling apart and very few spartonids could afford to keep their positions due to a ban on commerce. After Philip of Macedon Sparta was effectively dead in the water and irrelevant to the politics of the region
@@zal7782 Yeah, I learned also one of the reasons to their fall is their population has a continuous decline thus they can't continue to field their armies and became reliate to allied states and mercenaries to fight their wars. But according to the video I have seen they are of the key armies that set the foundation of having more officers down to unit level that was then greater enhanced by the romans and other nations to the present.
@@sinonkryze3638they were definetly innovators and honestly they’re represented decently in the game. There would be one last attempt at restoring hegemony in the Peloponnese peninsula by Sparta after the games start game. It would be crushed by the Antigonids and Sparta would never able to raise another army
Sparta in time of Rome was nothing and they were nothing century before Romans even united Italy. They tried many times to enslave rest of Greece with help from Persia and they failed. They tried to defeat Macedons in the beginning with Persian support and they failed. Their military might was such big that they achieved to kill most of their citizens in offensive wars and yet they enslaved and ruined only fraction of Greece. To become Spartan you had to be born as pure blooded Spartan and also basicly millionaire, or risk to become another hellot and maybe another human sacrifice. This millitary superpower without any resistance was turned into freak show circus few moments later after Romans arrived.
I like Spartan super soldier mythos, it definitly brought interest into history for many people, just dont mix reality with over hyped fantasy 😅
See you on the battlefield ⚔️⚔️
I recommend the A bracket gameplay, covered on MarketableSkills' channel. There was a cool use of Spartan units. Small very elite army.
congrats to all the teams !! A nice formula to play this marvelous game !! and offcourse good comment of our host ....
Lol Apollo a freaking fool 😂😂 “what team are you in? Where are you in the tournament? Oh ok” let them know big bro! 💪🏾
Let’s go! Comeback kids have a chance
The Wolf Gang team saved your lives in this tournament and they knew how to better use the city to their advantage by retreating to more advantageous points, in addition to the fact that the player who used the Lusitani made a better choice of troops for this battle than you in the previous one and it was actually quite noticeable in the way in which he was able to defeat the Spartans and Syracusans more easily, although neither of them has the same advantage in projectiles as Pergamum (even so, I still believe that if you in instead of a cavalry unit, you would have rolled one more Veteran Shields or two cheap swordsmen, you would have won). XD
The Spartans routinely lost lol. Apollo really just gets his history from video games.
Awesome video Apollo I was in the pool today and I heard the notification nothing better than a apollo tw Rome battle
I was one of the people thought it would of been good to to put your archer's on the wall. I might of been wrong😊.😅
The mention at the beginning of how Sparta should not be glorified much because they lost, reminded me of the Trojans football team. I have long wondered why anybody would choose for their mascot the side that lost the Trojan War.
13:45 Apollo realizing he may have gone too far😂
4:35 funny but good way to get cancelled nowadays 😂
When he said how far is your team in playoffs , i was hearing what colour is your buggati
"There are only 2 ideologies: mine and fascist"
Ok but spartan society would quite literally qualify under the majority of agreed upon factors which constitutes a fascistic society in academia.... so no there's not just two ideologies mine and fascism but that doesn't change that in a modern context spartan society would most certainly be considered far closer to fascism than anything else especially democracy. Call me crazy but I think that might not be the best group to model our military after which already does a great job pillaging most of the world for its resources.
Hey Apollo, I noticed it's been almost a year since you uploaded a LOTR related vid. I came to your channe lsince I'm a big LOTR and battle-game fan, and I was wondering If you were planning on going back to them? I know you made a lot, so taking a break is understandable! I haven't played my usual games a lot rn so I get it, but If you do plan on it, i'll be thrilled!
Apollo at it again! love to see it🔥🔥🔥
The Spartans were not that big of a deal. They created an aura of invencibilidade but they had a similar win ratio to other Greeks. Theban sacred band were much more well regarded.
Yeah those guys crushed the Spartans in the field
Theban sacred band survived a single war before being destroyed by Macedon lol
What if their win rate is so low because the ones who decided to fight them were only the ones strong enough to challenge them, and the weaker ones just didn't fight at all?
The Spartans also had to be very careful about when and how much of their army they took on campaign because the threat of a Helot uprising. Most of their armies had a contingent of Spartans with the rest being Allies and slave soldiers.
@@zal7782 onced
Round 2 would be tasteless without CC .. Good Luck Apollo !
make a livestream of the final battles!!!!
I have heard people say that as well. So, what if they weren’t winners most of the time. But it’s not about that. It’s about their ethos. For example, the Vikings were hardly empire builders but they were feared as fighters. Sometimes it’s not about their wins or expansion. Another example, the Japanese soldier during WW2 was something to be respected and feared. They lost battle after battle, but they were hardened and strong fighters.
Of course Vikings aren’t builders? You are literally saying “the raiders were hardly empire builders” the Norse did build a shit ton
Well, it's going to be a tough one, Apollo. But I hope you guys win. Ursas are very good players, though. They're very consistent.
did syracuse not put the scorpion on guard mode? rip
I think he tried to position it better but didnt realise he could get shot at until it was too late
While I agree somewhat with you saying 'fascism didn't exist.' Isn't that why they put proto in front of it? Also, just because something didnt have a name or a fleshed out system (such as when Mussolini created the term Fascism) that doesn't mean Fascism didn't exist in the past. It really comes down to how you view Fascism, but then that opens the door for interpretations of many things. Like if you think Mussolini created Fascism and only his system is Fascist, then Fascism has only actually been tried one time (Mussolini's Italy). All other attempts weren't really Fascist, such as Nazi Germany. So if we want to be literal, we can be, but then history becomes very difficult to explain because no nation has ever been like another nation. They always have some differences in their governance, economic systems, etc. Do you see how complicated history would be if we didn't generalize some stuff? I am not an expert on Sparta, so I can't really comment whether they were Fascist or not. Obviously, if we are being literal, no, they weren't Fascist. Fascism wasn't even a term back then. However, it may be a case where they were Fascist before we had a term for it (hence the proto-fascist label).
Wondering how their scoring system works
Great stuff. And your commentary's the best, even though you don't stumble that much anymore, to my great sorrow.. How can you constantly miss a letter "U" with a letter "A" and then you just give up and call them "Bears".. I'm dying 🤣
I wish you all the luck in next battles, you have every chance to get to the playoffs. In your last battle you were an inch to the victory, if the equipment didn't fkd you up and the walls crumbled as they should, and if you didn't forget 2 units crushed by javelins at the end game you'd get it.
All the best
As a Gaelic Spartan I don’t like the USA for what the article said
The US government didn’t say that shit just some random website. Also what is a Gaelic Spartan.
A Gaelic Spartan is a Spartan which is me I was born and raised in sparti Greece and my mother is from Ireland which makes me Gaelic which is the langauge spoken in Ireland so I’m a Gaelic Spartan
@@MillSheppardjust because you were born in what was Sparta doesn't make you a spartan silly, in fact I've never heard anyone identify as spartan
@@Ihavpickleme neither. I am half peruvian half from belgium and i never say im germanic and that sht
@@MillSheppard I’ve never heard anyone refer to their heritage like that. Sparta don’t even exist anymore and Irish people are just called Irish not Gaelic. You don’t see regular ass white people saying “I’m a Gaelic Roman” (Irishi Italian) It just doesn’t make any sense.
was just watching 300 before i saw your video. cant wait
Petition to play more medieval 2 (day 6)
i seen that same article and couldn't finish it...
going Messagatae and pontus is a good defense for Eildon all you need to do is have Ruvak use his horse archers to snipe the arty so you can stack your units by the walls in case they land, if they do land just pila them to death, so bringing 5 pontic peltasts should be good with 7 pontic swords and the rest theureos dont cheveron anything, its a waste
this will also give you 4 points so you can use stronger factions on attack cause eildon is a hard map to attack, make sure to burn those towers since most games they are the mvps
When are you doing one military camp part 2
You should be Sparta more often and get more pikes often😊
pikes suck! They will be pelted by javies , arrows and rocks! They can also get flanked easily or just be avoided. TOO expensive and non-versatile.
That will be difficult. You really need to focus everything on range supremacy to win
I love you C.Chicken i have faith on you
composuerenut igni, group c top of group and guarenteed into playoffs to answer your question XD
Foreign Policy is a very well respected magazine on geopolitics: I read the article, the point is to combat the “sparta is epic” talking point (looking at you Apollo) and to actually look at the culture, society, and battlefield successes. sparta was a strong land army force for ~300 years, but you wouldn’t want the modern US army to operate like them and much of their culture goes against our values, but a bunch of less thoughtful or knowledgeable people go around with ‘molon labe’ stickers on their cars mostly because 300 made them popular for normies, ‘SPQR’ would be closer to our values
The Spartans ideologies would kinda line up with militaristic facism
And it was a brutal slave-state that literally destroyed itself by concentrating the wealth and rights into too small of a population. Can't exactly field an effective army when you only have 1,500 citizens, lol.
LEZZZGOOOOOOOOOOOOO
do you stream the game and if you do where can i watch
Tbh Spartan historically has swordmen idk why thet didn't add those Spartan swordmen in this game
Why no pikes?
Apollo could you please make another thrones of Britannia campaign with the shieldwall mod
The article was really written, with some great examples!
Haha to be honest I do think spartan society is evil. But I question why they wrote the article
@@PixelatedApollo1 fair point! I really found the stuff on their strategic inflexibly was really on point. But still love me some Leonids!!
And classicists gotta eat haha
@@PixelatedApollo1 Maybe because of the whole image of Sparta that the general public has due to things like the 300 movie?
You make great videos
They attack our history because they fear the inspiration and power we can draw from it, look to the past for hope and guidance.
Yeah trying to destroy our identity
@@PixelatedApollo1 Situations are never hopeless in this world, I look to the Reconquista, to the Gates of Vienna and such things as Richard the Lion's impossible tasks made manifest by iron will and Godly intention. We look at such things and draw strength while petty men skulk in the shadows.
Come on, why still no win with Sparta?
Great vid
Are you not allowed to use any pikes in this tournament?
They are not viable in competitive play. Too easy to counter
Yeah, every time someone employs pikes, they get shot to hell.
To be fair… Thermopylae was a pretty decisive defeat for the Greeks in a strategic sense. Using Herodotus’s on number 4,000 Greeks died and 20,000 Persians. It did not slow down the Persian army long enough for them to fail to complete their objective of getting revenge on Athens. Considering it broke the best defensive position the Greeks had to keep out an army and saw Boetia and Attica overrun I don’t think the battle really had any impact on the course of the war. Besides… Spartans were no match for 300 sacred bois
Apollo you are the best 🔥
Sparta or Laconian, after King Leonidas I died.
get really ugly, they were too arrogant until they finally defeated by macedonia.
4:44 the moment Apollo was canceled
Is bannerlord coming back anytime soon
I hope not
I'm one of the weirdos that doesn't play video games I just like watching others play
how many battles have the CC left in the tournament?
1 more match against us
@@Soup-ej6bu good luck
Pixie you should check out total conflict resistance it seems like a game that's up your alley similar to free man guerilla warfare but way better
Help me get him to showcase it like it up so he notices
Do Javelin men count as skirmishers? If so, Epirus had 5 skirmishers? 🤔
Aren't there rules? Like X archers, X javelin, etc. Also, some units throw pila/javs, but are actually a melee unit (which means they don't count as a skirmishing/ranged unit)
Not playing for the playoffs? Thats a really soft thing to do
mm...probably not fascism lol, Sparta was a authortarian warrior esc culture that lost most of its battles...but pretty much just because of 1 battle...which has been heavily dramatized to create the romantic narrative. So I get it...Spartans in military culture are hheeavvvilllyy overused....granted though, its not like we dont do the same thing with other symbolic groups or cultures. Frankly the Aztecs would be a better culture for the military to take from, they were a full fledges warrior society, would engage in flower wars (wars bassically that were just to test their warriors might) and would military influence as their form of control and intimidation against other city-states
Fun fact: sparta were the once having slaves, not Persia.
And yes the Spartans were defeated over and over again. They are basically over gloryfied slaved owners....
HEY THAT ALSO JUST LIKE THE USA 🤪🤪🤪🤪
so Sparta is just proto confederacy?
@@kiankier7330 well no they are just the first example of a corrupt military state built out of the fear of their own slaves.
They came from the sea, enslaved everyone, created a Capitalistic system where landowners had all power and eventually failed due to greed and a failed profithunt
Of course the Achaemenids kept slaves, what do you mean? They took 500 boys from Babylonia every year alone as slaves. Though admittedly it didn't kick off properly until after the Islamic conquest.
I think its time to bring out the club levvy spam to take you to the next round
First commentvi love you applo uh
use rome not really
Sparta was proto-fascist? Gee, I wonder what political leaning the writer is. Whoever they are, they have a shallow view of history.
Just depends on your definition of Fascism. The downside to history is verbiage and how historians agree/disagree on what terms mean. Fascism is probably the most conflicting term in the modern era from a historical standpoint.
I think the Athenians were cooler than Sparta. Sparta was an interesting part of history, and a unique nation, but I think they tend to get overhyped. BTW just my opinion but I could do without the casual misogynistic jokes. Gaming communities are bad about that, and it pushes away fellow gamers that are female.
I know you said this 9 months ago but I agree with you I think the Athenians were way cooler
Spartans sucuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk
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Gotta say, I’m not a fan of the bias. I enjoy your commentary when it’s neutral.
The spartan youths were really what dragged them down they didnt do alot for them and they just fell apart quickly should have picked a different unit than that
The article is entirely correct. Spartans were historically a loser society, and they only ended up on the winning side of the Peloponnesian wars due to Persian influence and the power of the other greek city states. On the battle field they were nothing special and were destroyed by the Sacred Band at Leuctra. Throughout their history Sparta struggled with population issues and were scared to death of the helots rising up. Their economy was bad and the actually city of sparta was garbage.
how is that a link to facism and the us military which was the main point of the article ?
finally, someone, who has done the research, and has not fallen into Hollywood's view of "history"
@@hhassana Well they weren't exactly fascist but they were extremely cruel even for the standards to the time. They had the highest slave to population ratio, their slaves were considerably treated the worst, and the Spartans were scared to death of their slaves. But at the end of the day the US army idolizing the Spartans is not good and plays more into the Hollywood narrative rather than the actual history.
@@kiankier7330 Hollywood has blood on their hands for the modern perceptions of Spartans. There are so many cooler and more interesting Greek city states (I think Pergamon and Thebes were way cooler and way more interesting).
Yeah their society was evil. But I always question anti western culture articles . And their use of fascism.
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Listen apollo i like your content i really do, but Cmon man, how did you not see the general or the cav, they were literally there from the beginning and i swear seeing the cav like maneuvering around FROM AFAR i was like "APOLLO PLEASE HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE DAMN GENERAL BEHIND ENEMY LINES"
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"APOLLO CMON JUST NOTICE THE CAVALRY ON THE FLANK" like man that hurt.