World Kite Altitude Record 2014
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2014
- After 10 years and many attempts we have broken the world record. On the 23rd of September we flew a kite to 16,038ft. This is our story in brief. For the full details look at kiterecord.org.au Thanks to all our many helpers.
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When I was 14 my friend and I found a large spool of string and decided to get a cheap kite at the dollar store and see how high we could get it. While we had it in the air about 1,500 feet at a large park some guy walking off in the distance eventually walks up to us and looking into the sky says, "what are you guys doing?".
"Flying a kite"
"Where is it???"
*POINTS* "Do you see that black speck???"
He looked for a minute but never found it and continued walking off. We looked like we were just holding string 😆
XDD
He probably thought you were lying and just showing him a string hologram. 😂
Have you ever thought of attaching a video camera to it ? Of putting LED lights on it and flying it at night?
Yes, I have attached a still, video and time lapse cameras to kites. The still camera was controlled by a custom timer. You can see the image I captured on the 2009 page of my website. The problem with video cameras is getting the batteries to last for up to 14 hours for a single kite record flight or over 20 hours for record attempt to 40,000 ft for a kite train. Plus they usually have a recording limit of just a few hours, even on low resolution. I routinely attach high intensity LED beacon lights to the kite as it is a mandatory requirement by our Civil Aviation Safety Authority. I am not permitted to fly at night as part of these conditions. This is just an extension of pilot requirements who need to be trained a certified to fly at night. I may ask for variation to these conditions as flights of multiple kites to 40,000 ft may take over 20 hours. I addition to the above, the extra weight and drag of cameras and extra batteries will detract from the record altitude potential. It becomes a distraction to focus on capturing video and images rather than the altitude records which is hard enough. The time lapse camera is capable of 200,000 images and can be made into a movie of 60 fps of about 55 mins. The camera is about 4 times bigger than an I-Phone so may carry drag and weight penalty.
It would be dangerous for planes
it would look like any commercial jet like Boeing 737 or Boeing 777 or Airbus A320 at night.
comment section is so peaceful so I'll leave it at that
No need to make waves. 😂
I don't think anyone's gonna break this record for a long time🙌
@cynthiademario7331 What is the new record then?
@cynthiademario7331 Ha ha, if you put it like that..why not 👍
Well the record in this video was broken in 2016
Registered in Guiness?
Bet
Excellent work Michael and thanks for sharing.
I enjoy your flat earth debunking work. I am thinking of how to incorporate additional globe earth proofs into the 40,000 ft' kite train record attempts.
That is just amazing! Congratulations.
Thank you.
Just achieved 1,828 feet at north Myrtle beach
Excellent achievement , congrats to you and your team. Spool arrangement was awesome, which instrument used to check altitude, please advice.
GPS telemetry and GPS data recorder. Also, we used a theodolite which is a surveyor's optical tool to measure the kite's angle.
This is amazing! Just had a thought. 16,000ft is up there among some clouds. Do you think there's enough power in the line to hoist some kind of water capture device? They have fog harvesting meshes in some high altitude areas that capture a lot of water a day, and I think the meshes by themselves wouldn't be too heavy. Imagine driving outback where there's a water shortage, hoisting up the kite into the clouds and filling a farmers water dam!
I've just got here looking for some way for harvesting water from clouds.
@@eternoaprendiz10 Maybe you have info on your attempts? I had the same thought. You can mail to info@greencheck.nl Humidity is low at higher altitudes but clouds are ice. They are also like shredders to kites.. Its not too expensive to try though..
A possible way to do it is using a solar panel and peltier thermoeletric plates for condensate fog.
@@eternoaprendiz10 Sounds heavy.. And its cold up there already..
@@climatesolutionsconference9179 you can use thin layer of semiconductors, both for solar panel and peltier plate. Its necessary to condensate, or aggregate ice, for colecting it.
Imagine having a kite go down while it’s up that high, 3-4 miles in the air, if for some reason it didn’t want to stay in the air you’d have to follow that string line 3 to 4 miles away.
The still valid height record for kites was am1. August 1919 with 9740 m = 31955 ft set up in Germany! You'll have to practice a bit.
No practice required. That is the train record but it is flawed because the kites were not returned to the launch point by winding the line in. The line broke. We have the single kite record. I have a whole history section on my web site and I have written extensively on the Lindenberg flight. Tell me something I don't know already. Guinness rules say that a kite must be returned to the launch point by winding the line in to be regarded as a valid flight. I can fly a kite train to 50,000 ft then cut the line. Winching the kites back to the launch point is the hardest part of the battle.
@@droceretik what is your web address please? . Im considering to attempt a new record.
@@afriherpphoto7924 www.kitesite.com.au/kiterecord/High_Flying.html
Good luck and let me know your progress please. I am happy to help with information if you want.
Very poorly documented event with exaggerated numbers, this is the true record
@@narutofanz4 Guiness accepted the 26 pages of very detailed documentation, What is your problem?
Maybe someone will make a video about this some day.
David Attenborough's documentary team at $200,000.
Amazing. You should have attached a GoPro for some viral footage cause I guarantee if you do it again with a GoPro this video would get over 1 million views easily
I have answered the same question in a reply above. This is pasted from that reply with a few lines added below..
Yes, I have attached a still, video and time lapse cameras to kites. The still camera was controlled by a custom timer. You can see the image I captured on the 2009 page of my website. The problem with video cameras is getting the batteries to last for up to 14 hours for a single kite record flight or over 20 hours for record attempt to 40,000 ft for a kite train. Plus they usually have a recording limit of just a few hours, even on low resolution. I routinely attach high intensity LED beacon lights to the kite as it is a mandatory requirement by our Civil Aviation Safety Authority. I am not permitted to fly at night as part of these conditions. This is just an extension of pilot requirements who need to be trained a certified to fly at night. I may ask for variation to these conditions as flights of multiple kites to 40,000 ft may take over 20 hours. I addition to the above, the extra weight and drag of cameras and extra batteries will detract from the record altitude potential. It becomes a distraction to focus on capturing video and images rather than the altitude records which is hard enough. The time lapse camera is capable of 200,000 images and can be made into a movie of 60 fps of about 55 mins. The camera is about 4 times bigger than an I-Phone so may carry drag and weight penalty.
If I build a 20% larger kite then attach my time lapse camera perhaps I can get some footage to splice into a video. However the problem with a GoPro is not the image quality or weight but the battery life and perhaps the ability to tolerate very low temperatures at high altitude. Anyway it's not going to happen anytime soon as it took 8 series of week long attempts to break the record. Sure, it may not take that long if i try to up the record because i will be much the wiser about the flying strategies and weather conditions.
Any followup to my reply to your question?
bioone.org/journals/transactions-of-the-kansas-academy-of-science/volume-111/issue-1/0022-8443(2008)111%5B49%3AHKAP%5D2.0.CO%3B2/High-altitude-kite-aerial-photography/10.1660/0022-8443(2008)111[49:HKAP]2.0.CO;2.full This gives detailed analysis of Kite Aerial Photography.
@@droceretik good work bro
Hi, is that dyneema line or similar ? ( so far i always used polyester lines for my kites, i wonder if dyneema is worth the extra money)
Johan Sagaert For normal single line kites at sub 1,000 ft altitudes, Dacron is preferred. UHMWPE lines, Dyneema and Spectra are low stretch and are very thin and slippery making it hard to hang on. They are about 5 times the cost of Dacron. Multi-line trick kite flying benefits from these properties because when the lines wrap the low friction stops binding and also the thin diameter reduces air resistance. They are also more responsive to control input because of very low stretch. Big single line kites, para-foils and pilot kites for big display inflatables may need the big strength UHMWPE lines because they are anchored and are not hand flown so the slipperiness is not a factor. These UHMWPE lines also are relatively UV resistant so can be used for many years by professional kite displays without significant loss of strength. Kevlar lines are rarely used these days because they are very abrasive, and easily cut other lines on a crowded kite field. Kevlar is not very UV tolerant and will not last more than 2 years of regular use before the line has deteriorated. Dacron has found almost universal use by kite fliers, is cheap and strong enough for most applications. We used Dyneema for our world record attempts because it is very light and extremely strong. The Dyneema line we used to break the World record was 9 years old and is still in good condition. However despite it's outstanding properties for a selected range of uses, I have a large range of braided Dacron lines for low altitude recreational flying.
droceretik Hi, thanks for the info, i could not resist buying some, i have 1000ft 2mm (540Kg breaking force ,around 300grams /100m ) and payed 63€ excl taxes. ,made by DSM ., here is the link : www.winchline.nl/index.php/dyneema-winchline/paraglider-winchline.
@106575902159179912953 I was sponsored by DSM Dyneema for most of the world record attempts. The Dyneema fibers were supplied by DSM then Cousin-Trestec in France braided the 26 km of line supplied. Very good quality line. Chinese sourced line is often rubbish although the Dyneema line I got from Amika in Taiwan has been very good even after 9 years of intermittent use.
@@droceretik
It sounds a lot like a UMHWPE line that we used for bowstrings in archery The brand name was Fastflite and it was better than anything else available 15 years ago. It was very ware & fatigue resistant.
Excellent record breaking guys. Now how about the absolute train record. 35,000 ft anyone?
I am interested in buying a winch like this for my kite. Where do I send the money?
Some engineering companies can make similar winches but they will be expensive, that is, $10,000 +. I built this one myself with some machining work by outside companies. A Chinese winch manufacturer said it wasn't economical for them to design and build one. Some deep sea or long line fishing winches may be able to be adapted. The winch I built took several years and improvements and rebuilds to come up with the version used on the world record flight. If I were younger and fitter I would build you a winch but I am no longer fit or healthy enough to do this sort of work. Draw a plan and find a local engineering of machining company. They may be willing to take on such a project.
Hi, I am finding a 12V electric winch for my project. Could you plz suggest some products? (I need to find a cheap one)
I am also trying to do the same! please help :)
Best source of materials and components would be from mobility scooters and electric wheel chairs. A repairer may have a stock of used parts. The electric boat winches and 4 x 4 winches are generally not suited for extended operation and may overheat. It may be possible to take the motor and controller from one of these and adapt it to a higher ratio gear box. A maximum line speed of 4 meters per second should be the target and minimum motor torque at this line speed should be factored into the gear ratio calculations(line tension). Line tension is roughly a maximum of 4.5 kg per 1 sq meter of sail area for a flat framed kite or hybrid flat/cellular kite.. You would need to fabricate the winch if you want to keep costs down. There are plenty of companies making gear boxes that can be adapted to suit an electric kite winch but the cheapest way to make a winch is with second hand parts from discarded equipment. With the development of electric cars, motorcycles and scooters, there may be an increasing number of DC electric motors and controllers from damaged vehicles.
Thank you! I'll digest that as soon as finals are over for my school! hahah
Thanks again, will keep in mind for winch hunting in the future!
Wonder if you could use Jetline as kite string? I have a bucket of Jetline 6500ft long and 250lb strength. It's very light and we use it to pull wire into conduit for long distances.
I have 36 km of Dyneema and Spectra lines, These are the strongest lines weight for diameter. Our line was 12.km x 0.08 mm diameter.
The latest news on the kite altitude record team is our planned visit to Bulgoo Station in Western NSW, Australia has been postponed until April 2020. We were due to go for a visit early October but due to ill health I had to cancel the visit. If I can refurbish the winch, make some new reels and prepare all the stuff that goes toward record attempts, then September 2020 may be our first attempt at upping the record from 16,009 ft. above ground level to 25,000 ft. Yeh, it's a big jump but with the kite mods, new line and suitable winds I think it is feasible. I have all the latest developments on my Facebook pages at facebook.com/donate/307298369939345/
current update
@@arsalali69 New kite complete. Covid 19 preventing travel to our flying site. Other preparations in progress including rebuilt winch and GPS systems.
What string did you use?
Braided UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene), Dyneema. This line was sourced from two companies. Amika in Taiwan and Cousin-Trestec in France. The Taiwanese line was made from fibres manufactured under DSM Dyneema licence by Toyobo in Japan. It is called Dyneema SK75 and is 0.8 mm in diameter and has a breaking strength of 136 kg (300 lb). Other line was Dyneema SK 75 made by a French rope manufacturer with fibres supplied by DSM Dyneema in Holland under sponsorship. They supplied me with 32,000 metres of various strength lines ranging from 45 kg (100 lb), 76 kg (180 lb), 112 kg (250 lb), 154 kg (350 lb) and 250 kg (550 lb.)lines for the record attempts. The first line intended for high altitude flights I acquired in 2004 was Spectra 900 manufactured by Innotex in the USA which was produced from fibres made by Allied Signals. These lines are weight for weight 40 % stronger than Kevlar, lighter and thinner. I currently have over 54 km. of these very high strength braided lines. The advantage of these lines is their small diameter and light weight.
I am currently sponsored by Toyobo in Japan and Tasline in New Zealand. Toyobo manufactured the Dyneema SK75 fibre that went into the first half of line used for the World record flight. They are now producing their own fibre called IZANAS which is equivalent to Dyneema and Spectra. The latest grade they produce may be strongest of all. They are supplying fibre to Tasline in New Zealand who will make the braided line for the upcoming tests and record attempts. The lines are very thin and cannot be handled safely by hand under tension even with a gloved hand.
Lines I use for recreational flying and festival displays are made from Dacron which are thicker and easier to handle. Most of the time my kites are relatively large so lines are laid out on the ground securely tethered then kites are launched on a long line. For the record attempts after 2010 I used large aluminium reels with over 12,km of line stored on each reel. We used 12,200 metres of line for the 16,009 ft. record flight. I rarely use this special high strength line for recreational flying. I never use knots to join any line irrespective if it is Dyneema, Spectra or Dacron line but employ splices using special splicing needles. This technique eliminates knots which weaken line. Using these very thin, high strength lines gives about 25% higher altitudes compared to Dacron or Nylon lines. The biggest factor is the reduced wind drag. The second most important factor is their light weight as Dyneema and Spectra have a specific gravity of 0.97 and will float on water. Dyneema, Spectra and IZANAS are very expensive compared to Dacron lines. The total value of line lines I have accumulated through purchase and sponsorship is about $30,000.
did you make that kite? where could I buy one?
Mike Richards made it. He is the owner of Kite Magic, a kite business in the southern suburbs of Sydney, Australia.
Wonderful
Nice ,,ever considered another type of kite (cody, parafoil ?)
Unless you go for single kite record, ever tried to put a second kite halfway the line to reduce the sag ?
Johan Sagaert Giday, i do have an Cody that has an wingspan of 15 ft, the main wings are cambered like an aerofoil section so there is almost zero pull but as the wind flows over the wing it produces positive lift , with a single point bride so angle of attack is self governing, the problem with this, As the kite flew up , it produced mass lift almost @ almost 80 degs & some points directly above your head @ 90 degs from the ground with 600 mtrs line out, & a few times flying forward above top dead centre so the kite was flying infront of me from where i was standing @ times , the Cody would stall, then float backwards untill line tension & the kite had right itself . This was caused by wind flowing over the cambered wing making it lift & fly forward, Bob Moore asked me , If he could use it for his recorld attempt, I told him , I wouldn t risk it myself but he managed ok . Cheers, Raymond Wong, President :Australian Kiteflyers Society,
Johan Sagaert We have considered many kite types including deltas, para-foil, Cody, winged box, Hargrave box and DT Delta. The German weather kites flown in the early part of the 20th century also were candidates, I didn't make or fly any because of their apparent complexity and potential cost but the simplicity and good performance of the DT Delta won me over. I did a couple years of testing various kite types. Foil kites had a strong potential for high altitude flight but I was concerned about their stability and potential for unrecoverable collapse in turbulent winds. The Hargrave box was a top 3 candidate but proved relatively heavy, even using modern materials. There may be a number of designs that could fly to record altitude but it's hard to build and thoroughly test every type given a finite budget and limited time. The kite train record is nearly 32,000 ft. The technique used is to release line until the line sags to a predetermined angle, say 15 degrees then add another kite on a branch line. The record was made with 8 kites on about 15 miles of piano wire. My thinking to break that record is 4 kites the same as our single line record kite with about 6,000 meters of line between each kite (24,000 meters total) to give a potential altitude of 40,000 ft with ideal conditions. We did plan to make attempts on the train record but that is no longer being contemplated by our team.
awesome!
was it 16k feet of rope let out or the actual elevation?
They said it was 12 kilometres of line which is about 40,000 feet, so I believe the answer is 16,000 feet of actual altitude. Must have an altitude sensor on it
The kite's altitude was 16,009 ft. above the altitude of the flying field as measured by onboard GPS and corrected for error determined by comparison with government survey points in the Sydney metropolitan area and certified by registered survey engineers. The raw GPS data showed 16,038 ft. and 29 ft. was subtracted to give the record accepted by Guinness. 12,200 metres of line was released and the kite was at an elevation of 25 degrees. The line was at angle of 15 degrees from horizontal at the winch. Line showed a sag of 10 degrees with a maximum tension of 122 lbs. The line used is not "rope" and is 8 ply braided Dyneema or Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene cord, 0.8 mm in diameter with a specific gravity of 0.97. This means it will float on water. It is the highest grade of sythetic fibre that braided fishing line is made from. It was specially produced from DSM Dyneema fibre supplied to line manufacturer Cousin-Trestec in France under a sponsorship arrangement. Planned record attempts will aim for 25,000 ft. above ground level for a single kite and 40,000 ft. for a train of kites. The line used will be supplied under sponsorship from fibre manufacturer, Toyobo in Japan and New Zealand line maker, Tasline. There were 2 GPS recievers on the kite. The main units was a GPSFlight telemetry system and the backup was a HOLUX GPS data recorder. The radio telemetry send positional data to a ground receiver (Windows laptop) in real time so we know where the kite is and it's altitude at all times. We also track the kite with an astronomical telescope and a theodolite to monitor it's shape and performance but with cloud cover this is not possible. The line tension is monitored with a hydraulic tension gauge. The progress of our new series of record attempts can be followed on our Facebook pages. facebook.com/donate/307298369939345/
In the video he says, 12 kilometers of line, which given the angle of inclination at the winch, and understanding that the line drags itself down so the angle at the kite itself will be much steeper, you can see how you would need that much line to get the altitude that he did.
Nice HF antenna on the truck. Fucking l9ve shortwave radio.
Would like to see more footage of the kite at high altitudes. Get a camera with a tripod and zoom lense
The kite is constantly moving. It would require a dedicated camera person to keep the kite in view. It was not the object of the kite flight to provide images while it was at high altitude. We captured images on launch and these would be no different to images of the kite at high altitude.
What about intervening cloud which is present more than half the time.
@@droceretik love how you are replying to everybody and helping them
Cloud?
You don't need that rig. You can get it down faster with a car with a loop attached to the string on the kite. As you drive the loop will move down the kite sting and bring the kite down. Then you can untie the kite and wind up the loose string fast.
Ah. You have a lot to learn about trying to break the record. I could list about 10 reasons why that won't work. Happy flying.
@@michaelrichards9731 tell me what would happen.
@@honeyking312 Any "loop" whether another line or metal ring would create friction. Dyneema has relatively low melting point of about 150 deg. C. Using your method would soon see the line severed and kite lost. Another reason is we cannot drive straight through scrub toward the kite. Sure, on a beach and in a park kites can be "walked" down but this is 12 km + line, highly impractical.
A go pro would’ve been awesome anyway thank you for the video fantastic
Difficult to make onboard videos that are 10 - 14 hours duration with Go Pro due to battery duration. I am going to have a go at time lapse video with a special camera that has 200,000 image max then stitch to 30 fps for a 10-15 video.
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Un logro tan grande y solo tiene 80 comentarios. Omg pobres
How do you monitor your altitude?
Gps telemetry. GPS to kite then radio signal to base station (laptop). See the website
GPS
where is the video ?
Look it up on you tube.
What is The name of The kite line
Dyneema or UHMWPE fiber. Manufactured by DSM in Holland and braided by Cousin Trestec in France. All my lines were supplied under sponsorship. I have some lines I purchased from Taiwan which was made from Dyneema fiber from Toyoba in Japan. The US version is Spectra which is a Dyneema copy.
That website doesn't work. Is the address correct?
Which website?
www.kitesite.com.au/
www.kitesite.com.au/kiterecord/index.html
Works for me. Not yet updated with 2014 record flight. Will be updated by 17/10/14
Now updated with 2014 record
kitesite.com.au/kiterecord/september_2014.html
It's been over 8 years... Did it work?
Any reason why a DT delta was used besides a regular delta?
Yes, a DT delta is more compact for the same sail area, that is, for the same height and span as a delta, it has more lift. However it is heavier by about 10 -15% but the three spar triangular cell makes it very robust and very stable.
Initially, in 2003, my choice was based on a DT delta design in the book, Magnificent Book Of Kites. It described these kites as a very high angle fliers and wins kite fast climbing competitions at kite festivals. I built 6 or 7 different designs then tested them to compare flying angles, line pull and stability. The DT delta was slightly better than a few designs but won on stability, wind range and ease of assembly and construction.
The DT delta has proved to tolerate higher winds but its lower wind limit is just a knot or 2 higher. The wind ranges I found for the DT deltas I have designed, built and flow flown for high altitude, are about 5 - 30 knots and for stiffly sparred deltas, 4 - 20 knots . A carefully designed high wind delta, stiffly spared may fly very high but my early tests showed that the DT was superior in line pull and flying angle. The delta is originally designed as a light to moderate wind flier and most deltas get very nervous in winds over 15 knots unless they have heavier spars, stiffer spreaders and custom dimensions. The keel shape and tether point is critical to the kites stability and performance. I have lots of deltas ranging from 6 ft span to 15 ft span. I love their simplicity and great flying characteristics for recreational flying but there are 3 or 4 kite designs that are better for very high altitude IMO. The highest I have flown a 80 sq ft delta (15 ft span) is 5,500 + ft. I may try a train of small deltas in the near future.
Great explaination. Have you considered a rokkaku and if not, why?
I now have 30 Roks and I am making more. The biggest one I have is 2 metres tall and the small gift versions are 1.2 metres. I made a 16 Rok train with football team colours but never got to fly them in train config so I am giving some of them away to friends who are team fans. These are mostly for gifts to my 6 grand children and they are very suitable for artwork with their flat faces. I love Roks but not for world record attempts. That series of 16 NRL football kites is on my facebook pages somewhere.
All that money but no camera 😮
How long would the camera battery last?
But this is the southern hemisphere so it's technically -16,038ft.
How is that? It wasn't 16,038 ft. that was submitted to Guinness WRs. It was 16,009 ft. after correction for GPS variations from the average of 2 survey datums. From the surface of the earth or ground level at our location it was 16,009 ft. It would be the same at any location on the surface of the earth. The altitude is based on GPS measurement which uses Mean Sea Level as the reference which is the same local reference irrespective of where I am attempting the record. Your confusing latitude with altitude above ground level which is the local reference.
This was a poor attempt at humor. Just as I spell humor with only one U, I assume that all you tubers are like Americans whose primary response to anything from Australia or New Zealand is to point out the dichotomy between those north and those south of the equator. My joke was meant to suggest that up here, when we look at the sky, we are looking up and down there when you look at the sky, you are looking down. Thus, “negative altitudes”.
But this all takes away from the reason I even found your video. You see, we were experience a rather gusty day and my son had just been given a kite for his birthday. So I took it outside, while he was sleeping naturally, and tried to fly it. But our house is surrounded by a rim of trees. The yard provides plenty of runway for kiting, but the wind is above the trees and so I got frustrated and came in to watch someone more successful do something extraordinary!
Happy kiting. And congratulations!
I'm going to do it at 90,000 feet
I flew a kite only about 500 feet using like 4 kite string lines and the force of the wind pushing against the kite snapped the kite string and the kite flew away some where and probably landed in another state
How's it going Chris? How high have you flown your kite so far?
@stephen john gray Look at the wind velocity profiles from weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=pac&TYPE=TEXT%3ALIST&YEAR=2018&MONTH=12&FROM=0400&TO=0400&STNM=94776
You will see that to a certain extent wind velocity does increase with altitude but often it decreases at intermediate and very high altitudes. Another factor is the air density decreases with altitude so the wind energy may stay the same or even decrease. It depends on the day. On the site I linked you to, you can obtain atmospheric data from worldwide locations. The link I provided is for Williamtown AFB north of Sydney, Australia. It's now about closest to the record site near Cobar. There were regular soundings taken at Cobar weather station with balloon sondes that fly to high altitude transmitting atmospheric data such as wind speed, temperature and density. I studied this data extensively for our kite altitude record flights. You can see from the data that your assumption about wind speed at altitude is not quite right. You may want to look at some terms such as geostropic wind en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostrophic_current Also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind may help you understand wind a little more. From a practical point of view, wind can vary tremendously with altitude, from kite shredding winds at 5,000 ft to dead calm at 10,000 ft. The biggest barrier to high altitude kite flights was inconsistent wind speeds over the height profiles. The trick is to find a location with the most number of days where the wind speed rises in a linear fashion but increases slightly more than the decrease in air density. This is to compensate for the rising burden of line weight and wind drag on the line. The latter force cause the biggest burden and ultimately limits the kites altitude. There were days during our record attempts where the wind was so strong that the kite was deformed so it wouldn't rise any further. The highest wind measured was 59 knots or about 120 kph at 12,000 ft. This was the bottom of a low level jet stream. Other days we had very strong winds ground level to 5,000 ft then insufficient wind from 8,000 ft for the kite to rise any further. It's very simplistic to assume that the atmosphere has linear properties. The wind speed needs to at least double from 10 knots (20 kph) at ground level for each 10,000 ft of altitude. Any less and the loss of density will be more than the increase in wind energy due to wind speed. I have only scratched the surface of the knowledge required to understand the requirements for high altitude kite flights. Sure, you can fly kites high if you don't know any of this but it sure helps when figuring out what kite to build, line required, the location and conditions required.
Only 90,000? Add another 10,000,and go be line, go big or go home
@@archangel4744 Are you capable of a mature discussion?
I'm guessing these guys forgot to put a camera on the kite to get a bird's-eye view
Didn't forget. GoPro battery duration in insufficient for a 12 hour flight. Time lapse is an option for the future if we ever have more attempts.
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I lasted for nearly an hour with my batman kite with 360 yards of 5 pound test on my fishing reel before it broke in the march winds... does this count for anything? hehe
Sure, anyone who flys kite's for fun counts for something. Keep going but going over 1,200 ft above ground level may be pretty tiring to wind in. I remember when I was first going high I had a kite at 2,500 ft on a hand reel and my arm was dead by the time I got it down, plus I was risking prosecution from the Air Safety Authority. Anyway, have fun and use stronger line like Spectra or Dyneema. That will have much less wind resistance than nylon line for the same strength.
Where is kite
The record kite is kept by Mike Richards at Kite Magic's kite shop in Sydney. We used 4 versions, one of which was lost in 2005, one was damaged beyond repair in 2012 and one was replaced due to material stretch, wear and tear. I have an unflown version which we will be modifying soon with carbon spars. We may try other designs in October 2019 at our new sight at Bulgoo Station near Cobar in Western NSW, Australia.
Great work. Bit of adjustment in the kite design. Heaps of drag (flapping) and what the hell is with the tail. I have had a 2m custom delta up to 2000m on braided fishing line. I recon I can break that record. certainly love to have a go at it.
How are your record attempts going?
How is it going?
Bro i beat that like a 100 times with a 2 dollar kite and bad string
who needs to fill up the sky with french military's like this?? Starts with a U
What?
I was not expecting 16000 ft I was expecting like 2000
Panis yan sa saranggola namin dati dalawang buong pisi na sinulid
Why use a blue kite against a blue sky.
The colour of the kite is almost irrelevant because after 5,000 ft. it is just a speck. The altitude is verified by onboard GPS telemetry in real time and GPS recording devices on the kite. The kite colour is dictated by what ever spare cloth Mike Richards has in his kite shop when he decides to build some kites. We thought the kite colour was important initially but after a couple of series of attempts it was found to be irrelevant.
Please give me Full description about kite height world record
Kite :- diameters ; size ; type of material
Kite line :- total length ; material of line ; straight
Machine :- which type of machine use ; which type of Motor ; 1 phase or 3 phase motor
Government permissions :- which type of permissions you get bye government
Hardware :- kite, kiteline , machine , laptop , which type of GPS , any other equipment
Software :- height measures software name
Cost :- total cost
All above parameters give me
Please share Some photos
I am read you full story on :- kiteside.com.au
See my website at kitesite.com.au/kiterecord/High_Flying.html
I expected to see a person, kite and a lot of string. Well if you have a crew and machinery then it’s not hard at all.
In the video you can see 4 team members and three witness. You can also see the launch, the winch operating and the big reel and line. The flight data is included on the web site. What else do want? Ok, then it will be easy for you to beat our record. 1. Permit from your local aviation authority 2. Suitable flying location. 3. Design and build a kite. 4. Study winds for you area. 5. Purchase at least 15 km of line. 6. Purchase suitable GPS telemetry devices. 7. Apply to Guinness World Records. 8. Advertise with various kite clubs World wide.
@@droceretik well my comment was more of I thought it would be simple but apparently it's not if you have a crew. If you have a crew then it's not hard to do it compared to being alone. As you can see I wrote I expected not what I saw.
@@phdyoutubedegree1939 The crew is 4 life long kite builders and fliers. Mike Richards owns Kite Magic and exhibits kites at festivals around the world. Roger Martin builds elaborate kites and attends festivals in Asia. Mike Jenkins builds kites, attends festivals and attends festivals with Mike Richards. I have been a kite builder and enthusiast for 59 years. I am the team leader and built the winch and designed the telemetry systems. It took 8 years and 54 flights before we found the right wind conditions.
How's did it qualify for a world record???you guys used a machine 😑
Put on GoPro on next time
There is no next time. Also can you tell me how I get a GoPro recording to last more than 10 hours? I have a 200,000 frame time lapse camera that the images can be digitally spliced to make a time lapse video of a 20 hour plus flight. It won't be happening unless you or some one else wants to spend $50,000 on developing an altitude record program then having the patience to find the right conditions to break the record. Good luck.
GoPro it next time!!! What the heck man
Recording time will vary according to the resolution setting used and the card capacity. Here are the average recording storage times for an HD HERO2 camera with a 32GB SD card: 1080p (30 fps): 4h 21m. 960p (30 fps): 5h 26m. Kite flights last up to 14 hours. The record flight lasted about 8 hours so either way it is not going to capture the full flight.
I can capture the full flight with my time lapse camera with 200,000 frames giving 55 minutes of 60 fps video or 1 hour 50 min of 30 fps. It may be a bit boring but edited it could include launch, climb to 2,000 ft, climbing from 9,000 to 11,000. Climbing from 15,000 through 17,000 ft to break our 16,009 ft. record then reaching the highest point (hopefully 25,000 ft + then a few segments of the descent and finally the last 2,000 ft to the landing. The time lapse can be widely varied with minimum is 1 FPS to hours per frame. I am choosing 5 secs per frame and for a 12 hour flight, that's 8,640 frames. or 4 min 50 sec of medium resolution video. That's about the maximum attention span of typical UA-cam viewers. I any case it does bolster the evidential portfolio but is not critical, just interesting. I didn't use it on the 2014 record flight because the time lapse camera was a new acquisition and I hadn't fabricate a mount that wouldn't upset the kite's balance. The new attempts will use a new, bigger kite that will have this mount incorporated into its construction.
Where is your expert reply Aaron?
bioone.org/journals/transactions-of-the-kansas-academy-of-science/volume-111/issue-1/0022-8443(2008)111%5B49%3AHKAP%5D2.0.CO%3B2/High-altitude-kite-aerial-photography/10.1660/0022-8443(2008)111[49:HKAP]2.0.CO;2.full
So freedom units? how many elbows per blink bunch was the highest speed? thumb down... if you aim for a world record... 95% of the world has common sense and uses metric.
This is not a record. By hand is a record. Fly by hand you taking away from the art man this record is chump
What is the hand flown record?
droceretik idk but I’m sure I broke it yesterday lol cuz I couldn’t even see my sons kite anymore and it was a regular big lots kite
Freddy Pulido LMAO
@@Demon_gorilla To be sure of anything you have to measure accurately and verify with evidence such as video or gps. Two position theodolite, astronomical telescopes or a sextant would be some reasonable methods. Kite angle from horizontal, line angle at the reel and a catenary equation will give approximations. I have flown many big (3 sq. metre) kites by hand numerous times and they were well out of site of naked eye visual and measured with telescopes exceeded 3,000 ft. but I don't claim such flights are records because better evidence is required. However, I flew kites such as yours as a 10 year old child and they were often out of sight and it took 4 or five hours to wind back in which becomes tedious after a while and the novelty wore off. It is a good way of building the muscles though!
show the winch and not the kite .....FAIL no proof of kite actually in flight above im guessing 200 feet
So how is the kite shown with a camera when it is above cloud? How about when the kite was launched? It is shown flying at over 1,000 ft. The onboard GPS telemetry tracks the kite in real time to within 0.01% accuracy. The line payout meter showed 12,200 metres of line. Why are you better than Guinness World Records at evaluating the authenticity of a record? I submitted 26 pages of evidence.
You go to Walmart spend 50-80$ on fishing line can easily beat the record..😂😂
Go ahead.
For it's strength, nylon line is very thick. It would have aerodynamic drag many times greater than the Dyneema line we use. The maximum line tension was 122 lb. and our line is 300 lb. breaking strength but only 0.8 mm thick. Apart from being not strong enough, fishing line would prevent our kite from reaching record altitude.
Lan bhai mera
meree bahan meree
World record for worst recorded world record video.
Fact.
You are invited to be our camera person on our next series of record attempts. You will need to pay your own fares and accommodation and provide your own video equipment. What are your credentials as a camera operator. Photo journalist? Professional camera man? Have you got your UA-cam pseudonym mixed up? Should it be Beard Crettino?
@@droceretik I think I found the camera man..... just saying you guys probably spent around 5-10k on the setup and couldn't have attached a 100 camera on it....
I dont know why you're so upset.... you literally knocked out 2 world records at the same time. Highest kite/worst recorded world record video..... congrats.
@@michigha One of the team members was a professional newspaper photographer for many years. The primary mission was to break the world record with impeccable evidence that satisfied Guinness's rigorous requirements. The photographic and video evidence was sufficient for our needs. I had several people ask why we didn't use a Go Pro on the kite and the detailed answers are above. The camera required to record the flight onboard would be a lot more than "100" as batteries need to last up to 14 hours for flights in Autumn and Spring and the memory storage would need to be enormous. No current high definition video camera has the duration required. I have a 200,000 frame time laps camera now that I may use in future flights. Weight of any equipment on the kite needs to be minimal. If you send me your credentials, you are welcome to come for future attempts providing you pay for all your costs. Somehow you think quality television program footage and David Attenborough quality videos are somehow a doddle. I enquired about a professional cameraman for the duration of each attempt and it would have cost at least $5,000 for each series and $50,000 for the entire 10 years. I think you are trolling and perhaps you should contemplate doing something more useful or creative.
Congrats! But this is the worst video ever been made
Are you sure you have looked at the 10's of millions of videos on line? Would you fund a David Attenborough team to film our next record attempts? It should only cost about $150,000. Our aim was to break the world record, not entertain some pedantic, smartass, know-all cocks.
Nice ,,ever considered another type of kite (cody, parafoil ?)
Unless you go for single kite record, ever tried to put a second kite halfway the line to reduce the sag ?
Then it would not be a single kite record with a second kite.