This is the best 1zpresso grinder comparison video i’ve seen after maybe 50 something videos. A very goal oriented, structured review and finally made me choose the correct one for my need.
Great video. I'm very happy with my JX-Pro purchase. I've had it for all of 2 days and it's my first hand grinder, so after much research and procrastination before purchasing from AB, I'm very happy with the quality and the price of this unit. I'm still dialling it in, but for those still deliberating - I've been using a Sunbeam grinder for about 4 years and can barely scrape in a decent espresso shot with this grinder. The JX-Pro's grind "fineness" (and overall range) exceeds the Sunbeam unit by such a large margin that it's not even in the same ball park. On the JX-Pro, after a fresh calibration and sitting on "0", it takes a full rotation (50 clicks) plus a further 10-15 clicks before I end up in the usable espresso range to pull a lovely 25s shot on my Sunbeam EM7000. Any grind setting below this (finer) results in my EM7000 choking and unable to get any water through the puck, which I've never been able to do with the Sunbeam grinder - this is with an 18g dose in the double basket. Obviously not an ideal outcome, but what it shows is how fine a grind the JX-Pro can produce. I've also used it all the way near 200 clicks for French Press and the consistency of this grind (to my untrained eye) is exceptional and resulted in a fantastic tasting cup. I just ground 18.2g at around setting 70 (1 full rotation = 50 clicks, plus 20 extra clicks) and it took me 36s to grind with very little effort. You can't grind "casually" as it will get stuck, so you do need to give it some elbow grease to keep the momentum going but it's very easy, not a chore at all. This initially choked my machine before it eventually settled to 9bar and pulled a good shot, so there's still some dialling in to do. What I will note is that "0" on the adjustment collar can actually be ANY number. My "0" is actually "4", so just count the rotations/clicks from that point to know where you are in the grind range. I imagine this will be the case every time you recalibrate the Pro...so simply understanding what your new "0" is and then counting up from there seems to be the approach. All in all - very big fan of the JX-Pro and would highly recommend to anyone looking for a fantastic hand grinder, at a fantastic price (in comparison to the others such as Comandante/Kinu etc).
@@AlternativeBrewing I just opened an Ethiopian blend and pulled a 36s/32g espresso shot. I've never tasted stonefruit/citrus & chocolate quite like this. Every single espresso shot I've had prior to this was bitter and strong. This one was sweet and fruity - blew my mind. I can finally relate to the coffee connoisseurs and actually taste the flavour profile on the bag!
Thank you for going to the effort of your detailed feed back, your long term experience comparatively with your new experiences found this extremely helpful and insightful. 😎 very cool Thank You xo
Got the K-Plus a few months back…love it. The adjustment gauge on the upper base is such an ingenious idea, not sure why others haven’t done the same. The overall machining and quality is second to none.
K plus is perfect for me. Being able to smash out a killer espresso and hitting my time perfectly. Then quickly and effortlessly switch over to a pour over, moka pot, aeropress and French, honestly is simply amazing. Couldn't recommend higher if you want a do it all grinder 👌
I drink only alternatives and I've been using Q2 for 1.5 years. It's great, cheap and handy grinder for my needs. French press, V60, Aeropress - no problem. I love 1zpresso Q2.
I've had the JXpro for over a month, and I am still amazed. It has really pushed me into experimenting will all kinds of brewing methods. I bought it because I mostly drank Turkish, but now I mostly do Moka-pot and V-60.
you say turkish? does it grind well with turkish coffee? does it taste well? does it grind fast for turkish fine? i'm into turkish coffee as well nowadays since it's very convenient.
@@bjedsum902 I use grind setting 1 rotation and compared to the plastic hario grinder I was using - it is very fast. I love Turkish and this grinder makes the best I have ever had. I drink it all the time on the road
It's funny. Buying one of these was like shopping for expensive jewelry for our wedding. I agonized over minutiae. But once I brought it home, it was the only thing I had. And it performed like a champ, and I never wondered about shortcomings in comparison to others. Oh, I got a K-plus because I don't do espresso. I might on occasion need a fine grind for a moka pot, but it's mostly filter. I was really trying to decide between the JX and the K-plus, with my main deciding factor being I'm an adult and I never spend money on myself, so I decided to indulge.
The Jx Pro is really on that sweet spot of performance to price. I was about to buy timemore c2 for my aeropress but I thought maybe I want to do espresso in the future. I saved a little more and bought the Jx Pro, it's already a week and breezed a 250g coffee beans like it was nothing. I still have to wait for my coffee beans to arrive, sadly I have to force myself with instant coffee, yuck! Jmax also looks cool but it's already too expensive for me.
I got the Jx Pro as a brew method grinder that's capable of standing in when my Breville SGP dies. The ability to track changes in where you're at can be a bit arduous when switching from v60 size to espresso, but it's still fantastic. The distribution, clumping, retention are all good.
I agree.- clumping and retention are things I tend to overlook on hand grinders - it's so minimal, that if there was noticeable issues, than the HG has some serious problems. STATIC on the other hand, either under the buurs, or in the catch cup can be something that's a deal breaker. It's fairly well matched between these grinders.
Thank you for this excellent video helping me decide which 1ZPRESSO grinder to get. I decided on the JMax because I liked the look of it; definitely the sexiest of the bunch.😀
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🎵 Introduction to comparison of EasyPresso hand grinders. 00:16 👍 Encouragement to like, subscribe, and engage with the content. 00:29 🧐 Focus on comparing EasyPresso Q2, JX Pro, J Max, and K Plus hand grinders. 00:59 🏆 Emphasis on quality across all grinders; focus on individual preferences. 01:25 🔍 Comparison based on precision, range, and burr movement for various grind settings. 02:33 🌀 Different grind mechanisms and burr design for each grinder model. 03:43 ⏳ Q2's performance relative to its smaller burr size and efficiency limitations. 04:53 🛠️ Comparison of size, capacity, and build materials; emphasis on travel suitability. 06:44 💼 Accessories and additional features included with each grinder. 08:49 ⏲️ Performance comparison based on grind speed and particle size distribution. 11:48 📊 Interpretation of grind distribution results; recommendations based on brewing preferences. 13:11 ☕ Recommendations for different brewing preferences: espresso, filter coffee, travel. 14:35 🤝 Encouragement to share thoughts, questions, and comments in the comments section. Made with HARPA AI
Thanks for this video. Currently deciding between various 1Zespresso models. Which is surprisingly hard. I don't know if the topic was intentionally avoided, but the J-series burr design is extreemly close to the Italmill burrs in the Kinu M47, while the K-series burr design is extreemly close to the Comandante burr design in the Comandante C40. I am surprised there was not a tasting portion of this video, because at least for pour-over, people are reporting that the K-series and J-series are noticeably different. Which I think is credible given the very different distribution of boulders and fines you found. The JX pro vs. JX Max is also interesting. According to 1Zespresso that JX Max produces more fines than the JX/JX Pro. If this is true, then really the JX Max is almost to be treated as a different burr set entirely, with the Pro is actually likely the better grinder for pour-over, while the JX Max is the better grinder for espresso. Although the distribution in grind sizes is so close I'd love to see a blind test of this. Unfortunately when I e-mailed 1zespresso to get their thoughts on this, their recommendation was if I was primarily buying a grinder for pour-over, to get a K series and sidestepped this discussion. The K Plus vs. K Max is infuriating. Obviously the K Max exists because they're trying to consolidate parts for grinders, which in the long run is good for both consumers and 1z Espresso so no complaints there. It's also much better looking than the K Plus in my opinion. But they got rid of the blind shaker options. And while I know that for pour-over a blind shaker is basically useless and even for espresso it's kind of a gimmick since a funnel and distribution tool in most cases is faster and better, it just irks me that if I paid $10 for the Plus over the Max I'd have a grinder with an extra feature. So why not just pay the $10 and get the Plus? But the Max looks so much better on the counter and it's cheaper. So why not just get the Max? But I *want* a blind shaker if in the future I decided to try espresso. So why not just get the Pro? Repeat in circles forever.
haha! Yeah that's partly why I mentioned early in the video - 1Zpresso have done a good job spreading out the features 😂 You don't really have the one grinder that has everything - yet you still have a pretty good choice. I agree with you the MAX versions look and feel way better than the PRO or PLUS.. I'll make sure to add some tasting in the videos, it's just me in the studio sometimes - so a blind tasting can be tricky to confuse myeslf 😂 The J-MAX grinds super fine, really easily - that was one of the discoveries I had - and as mentioned - what I thought was a comparable grind size was in fact much much finer on the JMAX than other grinders - at what should technically be almost identical burr gaps. So perhaps this is what 1Zpresso are referring too. I'd say it does have something to do with the titanium coating burrs. The K-plus with the teeth running up the burr flanks is very much like the Comandante I agree ... and I wouldn't be surprised if they had similar performances in grind quality because of this. I'll have to do that test when I get my hands on a C40 MK4 soon. The JMAX over the JX-PRO for espresso 100% I agree with you there - but they'll both do a really good job - it's just the JMAX is that much better for dialling in ... and I almost went with a different conclusion on the JX-PRO because of this, though from my limited time using them versus what the market is telling me, the JX-PRO is a very popular grinder as it's reasonably cheap and you get that value that is not seen in a hand grinder under $350aud. So I concurred that the JX-PRO is that budget precision grinder for all brewing methods, though notably espresso, where other grinders around the same price point don't even come close. For Filter Coffee ... it still outclasses everything around it, but it's a big jump for someone looking at the Timemore C2 for instances, at $109 to than suggest the quality is that much better for filter grinding to spend 1.5x more. I'm not sure I can make that argument.
@kssarh You've summed up part of my myriad frustrations very well. I have a tonne of them around Kinu and Commandante as well. And now Appolo is there to further complicate matters. It can be a real pain if you're looking for the perfect "one and done" grinder and you're a picky person - which let's face it, most of us coffee morons are... Well, at least it's all first world problems and an enviable position to be in. 🤷
Thanks AB for the comparison (and the other JX-Pro specific video), and I got my JX-Pro from you guys shortly after. The performance to price ratio was too good to pass. I did find after about 1 month and 1.5 kg of espresso beans later, the grind settings loosened about 3 digits (12 clicks), and didn't go any further. Just something to note (likely to happen to any other grinder also). Otherwise, perfectly happy with it!
thanks so much! This might indicate the burr seasoning. It's not something readily discussed with Hand Grinders - but is no less critical to its final performance. Thanks again - great info 👍
Hi ive been unsure on if I should get the q2 or the jx as I only do pour over and immersion different sources say the q2 with the heptagonal burr set is better suited while others say the jx is better what would you recommend?
The Q2 makes fantastic clean tasting coffee. it is great for filter coffee, using the Hept burrs. I would say , the JX is a better performing grinder overall however. It'll grind much faster, with a bigger burr set and a better grind adjustment. JX, or the X-Pro all day 👌 I'd only consider the Q2 if for travelling and looking to keep everything super lightweight and compact, I find it a bit small and slow to grind for everyday. - However as the profiles go, the Q2 may sneak in there to be slightly better for the filter range than the JX. Tough call indeed! X-Pro is almost that in-between here! sorry 😂
The only kind of coffee I drink is Espresso, Moka and Turkish. Sounds like J-Max will be on my list of goodies to get along with Flair pro 2 and 9barista. Thanks Joshua!!
Whew. I ordered a J_Max before I saw this. I use a La Pavoni at home and travel with a Flair Pro. Pretty much only brew espresso so I'm confident I got the best grinder. Yay.
Hi Josh, Is the K-Plus still available? Showing as Out of Stock at AB online. Is there another option with both the Magnetic Catch Cup and the easy dosing option of a removable base? This seemed like a really neat design. Am looking for something suitable for both Wacaco Nanopresso and 'simple' home espresso machine. Thanks.
K-Plus is no longer available sadly! It has been replaced with the K-Max and K-Ultra which use the same burr, but different styles in the body and grind adjustment. I really loved this design as well with the removable base - though 1Zpresso have gone and removed this from all units. My concern with the SMEG basket is it may even be tapered? Starts out wide, and thins? ... It would not be more the 58mm, I'd be surprised if it were even 58mm. Sounds more like 51mm - 54mm. Normcorewares have some great tools to fit both. Including a Dose Ring for the 54mm size. The Timemore C3 looks to be the best priced for performance for what you're using it for. Or the 1Zpresso X-Pro, but that's getting up there for price.
I want their legacy grinder 'zp 6'. I want it for collection. It is said out of all the grinders they ever produced that produces more cup clarity, more than a comandante even, but they replaced those models with K models which are more all-rounders. Probably only place one can find one is in 2nd hand market in China, and I don't speak chinese so that's rough. :(
I'd like a Zp6 as well. So, if you find a place or method to get one, let me know. I gave up on that idea and found a way to get the JS model. It has the same burr set... I think. Anyway, in terms of pour over hand grinders, the JS is one of the best, in my opinion.
Отличное видео,спасибо! Мне нужна хорошая кофемолка для турецкого кофе в турке,какая из этих двух последних моделей будет лучше для этой цели,подскажите пжлста ?
Can the J-max actually grind for french press (using the James Hoffman method)? I'm usually making french press, but I would like to get into espresso and pour over. If the grinder actually is able to do it all, it's perfect for me.
I would be looking a the J-series Grinders for this 👌 However you probably want to check out the most updated version of the Grinder range here: ua-cam.com/video/Np0pxwi8hi8/v-deo.htmlsi=No4nLXORfy-5I6aE
I just bought a hand grinder, Kactus Kitchen brand. Other than the logos, it looks identical to the 1Zpresso Q2. I'm wondering if they are the same. I know that is common practice for inexpensive Chinese made appliances to be sold under a variety of brands.
I have no idea sorry - a quick google nad I couldn't bring up anything that looks similar to the 1Zpresso but I doubt it - just because the 1Zpresso are reasonably unique in their build - not carbon copies of other grinders
😂 haha thanks! We've all learnt so much from James! OG fan here 😀 Was reading his jimseven blogs back in '07 and they helped me takes leaps with making better coffee as a Barista ✌️
@@AlternativeBrewing just ordered the PicoPresso after watching your video. The combo should make a great travel coffee pack. Just wish we lived in AUS so we could order from you guys.
@@AlternativeBrewing PicoPresso make a v nice double shot - once I could make one without making the kitchen look a RIGHT mess. Followed your guide and it works a treat. Thank again man. Ps. Can you ship to Singapore? Getting all these great reviews, hints and tips from you and then go buy elsewhere. Doesn’t seem fair.
It's really any Stepless grinder - You could consider the Baratza Sette series - mainly the 270 and 270wi, and they fall in similar price brackets, but I'd say neither the Sette's would be as good for Filter grinding as the 1Zpresso grinders are. For Espresso - it's hard to beat an automatic grinder for shear power and ease. Eureka Grinders are decent, there's some models that do well in both espresso and filter - but ultimately I think a great Hand Grinder at the moment - is better than an average Electric Grinder - considering they fall in the same price brackets.
@@AlternativeBrewing really appreciate it. Currently I'm overthinking, as we do, and debating between a j max, a lagom mini (very little info out there), a eureka Notte or trying to wait for a eureka mignon zero whenever it gets released. Wouldn't mind paying up to say $350 if I can get a comparable range and grind quality but more convenience. Otherwise I'll grab a j max and deal with the few times a year I have guests visiting either buy preground or use a drill on it...
What is the grind setting you use on Q2 for espresso? I found it difficult to grind under 25 clicks. Is the 30 clicks setting fine enough for a picopresso shot?
I also found there was a reasonable margin between what I suggested in the video sorry - and when the beans actually started to come out. - You should still be able to get a grind out around the 100-200µ size - I would naturally get to a reasonable fine setting like 25 - see ho it brews out in the picopresso - use the 10-14 pumps on the Picopresso -before you see coffee coming out - as your guide for if you have the fine up or coarsen the grind 👍
Love my k-plus. Worth every penny. Although I just now got a Flair Pro 2 and find espresso very finicky. Although not sure that's the grinder in any way shape or form.
@Max B I got so frustrated due to other factors outside the grinder that I gave up for a few weeks until I got good coffee and a wdt. This morning I just started the dial in process. An I have it narrowed down to around grind size 4. Now I'm going to dial in even more next weekend. But the manual machines are so controllable I know you can make good espresso with a k-plus. Between grind size, dose, water temperature, tamp pressure, and brew pressure you can dial in just about anything.
To those wondering about the K-Max: It is just a K-Plus without the blind shaker, different colour (matching the J-Max colour) but still using the same 48 mm burr of the K-Plus. Literally, I got that response from 1Zpresso when I emailed them (great customer service by the way!) asking specifically for the difference. The color of the K-Max really got me. That being said; the video is spot on, and I love that Joshua keeps it fair amongst each. I tried the J-Max after a jealous mate bought one immediately after seeing my K-Max. My only issue with the J-Max is that dialing it in when you change beans can be tricky. Imagine you switch from one roast to another, there's a difference in density, so now you have to take a few more minutes to dial it in, pull the shot, calibrate as needed.... That being said, IMO too much precision can be a bad thing. Yes, you'll get the shot you want but at a cost of a lot of calibrating if you're switching beans. With the K-Max I only need about a 5 click range (somewhere between 28-33 clicks from 0; or 2.8-3.3 on the turn dial) to dial my espresso in. Just my experience with them, I dislike the fines for the J-Max as well on pour over, BUT again, as Joshua said - if you're only using it for mainly Espresso, it will do the job. K-Plus and K-Max still have my heart as the all-arounders and Comandate contenders!!! Thanks!
@@JensThestrupToft thanks. It's funny, at my local shot the K-Max is more expensive, when it apparently comes with less functionality, lol. K-Plus is sold out though and I don't plan on using it for espresso so will probably just get K-Max.
@@ex0ja basically the catch cup bottom part removes and you can place it straight into a portafilter and shake it out to get the espresso right into the basket neatly. OR if you don't have one that does that, such as the K-Max, you can just put the portafilter upside down on the catch cup then flip it, so kinda not important to have the blind shaker.
Hey guys, I was wondering, since everyone is talking about how good the jx pro is at grinding for espresso, can it also grind that good for a pour over? Is it that big of a difference between jx and jx pro at grinding quality when we are talking about pour overs? Thanks in advance
Thanks for all of this! Which grinder has the smallest circumference, if they vary? I have small hands, and the JX-Pro was uncomfortable to hold. (I only grind for espresso, by the way.)
Yes, I have had the experience that the grind cup coming off, happened once or twice - and once you're aware of it slipping you can adjust to ensure it doesn't happen again. My belief on this is - 1(one) translated in another language is "Eey" ... So rather than saying One-Zhee-Presso, you say Eey-Zhee-Presso. ... also everyone else I know calls it Easy-Presso. So it kinda caught on 😂
Thanks for the in-depth comparaison ! How about speed? The K-Plus (37sec on 20g of 800 microns) seems to be much quicker than JMAX (57sec) and JX (54sec) according to Kyle Rowsell, but he did not compare the JX Pro.
So, just quickly - my thoughts on grinding speed has recently been divided into two camps. The underlying factor is 1) Ease of grinding (helped on by burr size, burr geometry, hande length, any other parameters still exploring) ... and 2) simple speed at which you are able to grind comfortably at based on the ease of grinding. These could well be two separate things - but in the case of the Jmax and Kplus. The Jmax is a faster grinder - but geez it's hard to get the crank handle at a consistent speed. Whereas the Kplus, is only slightly slower - but is much much smoother to crank the handle on. I would much prefer to grinder an extra 10 seconds on the Kplus than struglle each time on the Jmax for example. So I believe the Kplus can be faster - given it allows to grind more easily as well. But i would say in my findings - that the Jmax ground quicker than the Kplus did, at the same pace. The JX-Pro is a little harder to grind than the K-plus but no where near as hard as the Jmax - so for speed and ease, it sits somewhere in the middle 😀 Hope that answers your question?
Great video! I have read that the J-max produces more fines than the Jx-pro. Did you find this to be true in your testing? I am looking for something to make filter coffee with, but in the future may venture into espresso.
I didn't come across any more significant fines with the JMAX vs JX-Pro though - the JMAX tends towards grinding much much finer than compared to the other grinders - at what I would expect to be the same grind size.. I've also attempted Espresso brewing and had to coarsen up the grind with the JMAX each time ...
What is the Q2 best for? I’m considering it for my pour over routine as i have a specialita exclusively for espresso. Would it be a good choice? Also what other options would you recommend? Thanks
I own the 1zpresso JX, JE, and Q2. The JX is for people who like acidity in their coffee. The JE is creamy and balanced being 1zpresso best kept secret. The Q2 tends to bring out acidity as well. There are definitely taste differences among these grinders
Thank you AB for a great review but it has left me alittle confused as i saw your review with the niche v hand grinders. I drink espresso. You had dialed in and tasted jmax, kplus and c40 amongst others. The end result your were amazed at kplus and c40 but did not even rate the jmax. In watching i thought the texture of the c40 looked nice. You had chosen the kplus as your choise. I love the fact that jmax has the greatest adjustment capabilities but the ta0ste is of most importance. In this vid your rec for espresso is jmax which it clearly wasnt your other vid.. please explain🤔
Thanks for watching and taking notice! It's a great question - I totally agree with you that "the taste is of the most importance" The retrospective of my change of mind came after tasting many more Espressos between these two particular grinders (Jmax, Kplus.) Also - I guess I delivered the Jmax in this video as the best suited for Espresso -based on the numbers alone, being the ridiculous VBM (Vertical burr movement) of 8.8µ microns versus that of the Kplus's 24µ. In choosing a Grinder to be the winner - there'll be 2nd best - but in terms of performance or value for money - there's really no 2nd best. - all the 1zpresso Grinders are fantastic. The flavour aspect is very nuanced with many factors - and I hope I do a good enough job presenting what differences I perceived the Grinders provide for flavour. The K-style burrs do, in my experience provide more clarity - more sweetness and highlights brighter notes compared to the J-style burrs - and this is information from 1Zpresso - as well as similar findings by myself and others who have tried both side by side. J burrs are similar to Comandante - though I would say there - Comandante Burrs are better in creating that rich, heavy texture espresso. The purchase scenario for the Jamx would be - if you're sold on the aesthetics, love to dial in espresso (or filter coffee) to perfect the recipe - and perhaps drink most of your coffee with Milk - and usually use a Blended Coffee, or nutty/chocolate forward noted coffee. Everything else - Kplus 👌
Thank you for such a detailed review. It helped but where I live, only Jx pro is available and not the Jx. I mainly brew pour overs and origami, and sometimes the odd aeropress. For me would you suggest a jx pro? Or should I look for something else? I am using Baratza encore since last two years and the consistency of the grind size has degraded a lot and hence I want to now move away from it.
In terms of quality - the JX-Pro is up there and you'd not be disappointed in it for your brew methods at all. I couldn't recommend a better grinder for the same price or less. So go the JX-Pro ... also we ship worldwide 😀
I use also Baratza encore at this moment, but I can't get a good shot espresso. Im looking for a hand grinder (good electric grinder is very expencive for me). The mechanisme for grindsetting of Comandante is terrible. I like to the system of 1zpresso. I like that.
Greetings and thank you for your knowledge and video! I'm currently using an entry level ceramic burr mill that holds a max of 20-21g and takes forever to grind. Looking to grind 42g (2 cups @ 21g) for use with my V60 and stay around $150US. What would be your "hands-down" choice?
Timemore Chestnut is well under that budget but has a small capacity - otherwise you won't be disappointed in an 1Zpresso JX-PRO and spending a little more.,
I am looking for a hand grinder for home and travel. I just got a QM Vetrano at home for espresso and ordered a DF64. I will still do some V60 at home, and for travel (which happens a lot) I would use a V60 mainly (or an aeropress/french press/chemex on occasion), or PicoPresso for espresso. What do your recommend in the 1Zpresso lineup (I am guessing you say K-plus if price is OK - which it is. But if saving >$75 gets me similar cup-taste and workflow I'm ok saving some bucks). And the big question is if the Kinu or C40 is a better choice - so far in my reading they are not. Slight price premium without (from what I gather) better taste or workflow. I have not looked into the Apollo too much but don't see an advantage (not too worried about speed). I am intrigued by the Lido OE but I don't think I love the workflow. Lots of words. Seeking the best-fit for my needs... which is basically best filter coffee in the cup with some useful features and good performance in the picopresso.
Hey Jeremy, the K-Plus is the grinder you won't be disappointed in. It's unlikely you'll wish for any other grinder once you start using the K-Plus. It's going to be superb for your pourovers and work well for espresso with the Picopresso 😀
I have 2 questions about J Max grinder. 1. How long do burrs last? i.e. is there a recommendation to change to new burrs after a certain time? 2. The grinder starts at 0 setting and then one can adjust the dial. Does adjusting dial often to various grind settings reset the initial settings or once set to zero, it doesn't change?
Hi there, Thanks for your questions. 1. Burrs will last a very long time. AS in 10 years plus considering their treatment. It's likely you won't see any performance loss from the burrs dulling over this time either. It takes many many kilograms of coffee - 500kg plus to dull these burrs - if you're only grinding 20-50g a day. That's a long time. 2. Zero setting should not change once set. But periodically - if cleaning out the grinder - it doesn't hurt to recalibrate the zero point again. 😀
Hey I recently got the J-max, I really love how it works and it's my first time owning a handgrinder. I found it a little difficult to grind some lighter roasts at finer grind settings (aeropress) where I basically had to hold it almost horizontally to get a good flow. You seemed to do it quite effortlessly in your review, do you have any recommendations in terms of technique?
Sure 😀 Great purchase for your first HG btw. I would recommend titling the grinder almost upside down to - (once the beans are inside) and starting rotating the handle without any beans stuck between the burrs - than once you get a good motion, being the grinder the right way up and let the beans drop in to the moving burrs - this will help you get started - next - it's important to rotate both hands in a circular motion [ as oppossed to holding the grinder steady in one hand and just rotation the handle ] ... You want to rotate both hands and this will grind faster and make it easier to do !
I don't see it mentioned often, but the Q2 is definitely the best grinder that fits inside the aeropress! That was the reason I bought it, although I wasn't sure it would fit, but it fits great, with some space for filters. I find the adjustments irritating to switch between settings though, given the numbers are not from a 0 point of reference, it can be a bit tedious to track and change between brew methods.
It could be construed that way yes 😂 I do wonder what any less than 0.0088mm adjustments are gaining. Its adjusmtents are almost as if it's Stepless. I have found it easier to find a grind setting on other grinders vs that of the Jmax - you have to get used to the Jmax more than say the K-PLus because of its tiny grind size adjustments, yes.
thanks for review, i have a k-plus and i thinking if i need J-Max for espresso, honestly i'm satisfied, there are few changes in grinding uniformity. If a looking for sweetness point by adjusting weight only. Was it a mistake? is better way a new grinder with more grind uniformity (J-Max x K-plus)?
No I would stick tot eh K-plus for sure. You have a great grinder with which, yes, adjusting the recipe, the water, the speed at which you grind etc can assist in exploring and finding the characteristics your after.
Hi. Great video as always🔥. Quick question - I’m currently using Q2 (mainly v60 and Aero) as my daily driver and I fell my drinks are a little bit to acidic. I have budget to buy C40 MK4 (or MK3) as an end game grinder but… will it be a significant difference in taste to justify spending more $$$? Will it make my coffee more balance or sweeter? Looking forward to hear your thoughts. Cheers.
Yes. A bigger far better burr set will make the difference to the quality of the grind produced. I wouldn't say it's night and day, but you can see the difference and the coffee will have more clarity in flavour due to a better consistent grind produced. To alleviate some acidity in your coffee , try using hotter water too, or extending the brew time by pouring slower, using multi-pours or stop starting intervals and grinding a little finer too
C40 is better than the Q2 and I'm sure you'll notice a difference. Not a HUGE difference, but Yeah, a difference. I feel you're bit hesitant on dropping some cash on a C40 but let me tell ya the JX-pro does as good as the comandante for much less money and even beats it in many other aspects.
Thanks so much for the insightful look at 1zpresso grinders. Could you tell us more about the flavor profiles of each grinder in pourover, Aeropress and espresso?
I´ve bought the Q2 in May this year. Mainly because of its size. Well, may I say I disagree on some points mentioned in ther video. The Q2 may be able to grind at 200 microns (20 clicks and lower) but for a 14g dose it took me 30-40 minutes! That is absoilutely not practical. Weird thing is: same dose of the same coffee bean grinds at 30 clicks in "just" 7 minutes, at 60 clicks in around 2 min. I would not recommend the Q2 for Espresso.
For espresso yes - it works a treat once you dial your coffee in - however I just recently did a video on flavour comparisons - including the Comandante MK4 and the K-Plus was the standout for flavour
@@AlternativeBrewing flavor is all that matters I guess right? I'm really stuck man. Which one is easier to use? I'm still new to manual hand grinders so in general which one should I get, the J max or K plus?
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This is the best 1zpresso grinder comparison video i’ve seen after maybe 50 something videos. A very goal oriented, structured review and finally made me choose the correct one for my need.
Wow, thanks! glad it was helpful
Great video. I'm very happy with my JX-Pro purchase. I've had it for all of 2 days and it's my first hand grinder, so after much research and procrastination before purchasing from AB, I'm very happy with the quality and the price of this unit.
I'm still dialling it in, but for those still deliberating - I've been using a Sunbeam grinder for about 4 years and can barely scrape in a decent espresso shot with this grinder. The JX-Pro's grind "fineness" (and overall range) exceeds the Sunbeam unit by such a large margin that it's not even in the same ball park. On the JX-Pro, after a fresh calibration and sitting on "0", it takes a full rotation (50 clicks) plus a further 10-15 clicks before I end up in the usable espresso range to pull a lovely 25s shot on my Sunbeam EM7000. Any grind setting below this (finer) results in my EM7000 choking and unable to get any water through the puck, which I've never been able to do with the Sunbeam grinder - this is with an 18g dose in the double basket. Obviously not an ideal outcome, but what it shows is how fine a grind the JX-Pro can produce. I've also used it all the way near 200 clicks for French Press and the consistency of this grind (to my untrained eye) is exceptional and resulted in a fantastic tasting cup.
I just ground 18.2g at around setting 70 (1 full rotation = 50 clicks, plus 20 extra clicks) and it took me 36s to grind with very little effort. You can't grind "casually" as it will get stuck, so you do need to give it some elbow grease to keep the momentum going but it's very easy, not a chore at all. This initially choked my machine before it eventually settled to 9bar and pulled a good shot, so there's still some dialling in to do. What I will note is that "0" on the adjustment collar can actually be ANY number. My "0" is actually "4", so just count the rotations/clicks from that point to know where you are in the grind range. I imagine this will be the case every time you recalibrate the Pro...so simply understanding what your new "0" is and then counting up from there seems to be the approach.
All in all - very big fan of the JX-Pro and would highly recommend to anyone looking for a fantastic hand grinder, at a fantastic price (in comparison to the others such as Comandante/Kinu etc).
Spot on James! totally agree, Glad you're enjoying the better espresso now 👍
@@AlternativeBrewing I just opened an Ethiopian blend and pulled a 36s/32g espresso shot. I've never tasted stonefruit/citrus & chocolate quite like this. Every single espresso shot I've had prior to this was bitter and strong. This one was sweet and fruity - blew my mind. I can finally relate to the coffee connoisseurs and actually taste the flavour profile on the bag!
Thank you for going to the effort of your detailed feed back, your long term experience comparatively with your new experiences found this extremely helpful and insightful. 😎 very cool Thank You xo
There's a small bolt you can turn to change what number the grinder shows when it''s zeroed (ideally, zero XD)
Got the K-Plus a few months back…love it. The adjustment gauge on the upper base is such an ingenious idea, not sure why others haven’t done the same. The overall machining and quality is second to none.
Perfect! Exactly the comparison on these grinders that was needed. Thanks so much.
You're welcome!
K plus is perfect for me. Being able to smash out a killer espresso and hitting my time perfectly. Then quickly and effortlessly switch over to a pour over, moka pot, aeropress and French, honestly is simply amazing. Couldn't recommend higher if you want a do it all grinder 👌
I agree completely. Love my k-plus.
JX-pro has been really great so far. Adjustable, easy and fast
love the review and the detail of testing. thanks a lot
No problem 👍
I drink only alternatives and I've been using Q2 for 1.5 years. It's great, cheap and handy grinder for my needs. French press, V60, Aeropress - no problem. I love 1zpresso Q2.
I've had the JXpro for over a month, and I am still amazed. It has really pushed me into experimenting will all kinds of brewing methods. I bought it because I mostly drank Turkish, but now I mostly do Moka-pot and V-60.
Great to hear! Thanks for sharing 👌
What grind size do you use for Moka pot? Just curious, i havent found my sweet spot yet.
you say turkish? does it grind well with turkish coffee? does it taste well? does it grind fast for turkish fine? i'm into turkish coffee as well nowadays since it's very convenient.
@@bjedsum902 I use grind setting 1 rotation and compared to the plastic hario grinder I was using - it is very fast. I love Turkish and this grinder makes the best I have ever had. I drink it all the time on the road
@@todor97vv I have a home roasted celebes kalossi dialed in at 2 rotations 4.2 and a slightly darker home roasted Kenyan AA at 2.5.0
It's funny. Buying one of these was like shopping for expensive jewelry for our wedding. I agonized over minutiae. But once I brought it home, it was the only thing I had. And it performed like a champ, and I never wondered about shortcomings in comparison to others.
Oh, I got a K-plus because I don't do espresso. I might on occasion need a fine grind for a moka pot, but it's mostly filter. I was really trying to decide between the JX and the K-plus, with my main deciding factor being I'm an adult and I never spend money on myself, so I decided to indulge.
I’ve got the J-Max and had it for a month, it’s a must for espresso for really hitting that perfect grind size..
right on!
J max or k max suits better for espresso
The Jx Pro is really on that sweet spot of performance to price.
I was about to buy timemore c2 for my aeropress but I thought maybe I want to do espresso in the future. I saved a little more and bought the Jx Pro, it's already a week and breezed a 250g coffee beans like it was nothing.
I still have to wait for my coffee beans to arrive, sadly I have to force myself with instant coffee, yuck!
Jmax also looks cool but it's already too expensive for me.
I got the Jx Pro as a brew method grinder that's capable of standing in when my Breville SGP dies. The ability to track changes in where you're at can be a bit arduous when switching from v60 size to espresso, but it's still fantastic. The distribution, clumping, retention are all good.
I agree.- clumping and retention are things I tend to overlook on hand grinders - it's so minimal, that if there was noticeable issues, than the HG has some serious problems. STATIC on the other hand, either under the buurs, or in the catch cup can be something that's a deal breaker. It's fairly well matched between these grinders.
What an informative video, thank you so much for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video, thank you for creating this
Thank you for this excellent video helping me decide which 1ZPRESSO grinder to get. I decided on the JMax because I liked the look of it; definitely the sexiest of the bunch.😀
I have the Jx, love it!
Thank you for the hard work you have done!!!
My pleasure!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🎵 Introduction to comparison of EasyPresso hand grinders.
00:16 👍 Encouragement to like, subscribe, and engage with the content.
00:29 🧐 Focus on comparing EasyPresso Q2, JX Pro, J Max, and K Plus hand grinders.
00:59 🏆 Emphasis on quality across all grinders; focus on individual preferences.
01:25 🔍 Comparison based on precision, range, and burr movement for various grind settings.
02:33 🌀 Different grind mechanisms and burr design for each grinder model.
03:43 ⏳ Q2's performance relative to its smaller burr size and efficiency limitations.
04:53 🛠️ Comparison of size, capacity, and build materials; emphasis on travel suitability.
06:44 💼 Accessories and additional features included with each grinder.
08:49 ⏲️ Performance comparison based on grind speed and particle size distribution.
11:48 📊 Interpretation of grind distribution results; recommendations based on brewing preferences.
13:11 ☕ Recommendations for different brewing preferences: espresso, filter coffee, travel.
14:35 🤝 Encouragement to share thoughts, questions, and comments in the comments section.
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Thanks for this video. Currently deciding between various 1Zespresso models. Which is surprisingly hard.
I don't know if the topic was intentionally avoided, but the J-series burr design is extreemly close to the Italmill burrs in the Kinu M47, while the K-series burr design is extreemly close to the Comandante burr design in the Comandante C40. I am surprised there was not a tasting portion of this video, because at least for pour-over, people are reporting that the K-series and J-series are noticeably different. Which I think is credible given the very different distribution of boulders and fines you found.
The JX pro vs. JX Max is also interesting. According to 1Zespresso that JX Max produces more fines than the JX/JX Pro. If this is true, then really the JX Max is almost to be treated as a different burr set entirely, with the Pro is actually likely the better grinder for pour-over, while the JX Max is the better grinder for espresso. Although the distribution in grind sizes is so close I'd love to see a blind test of this. Unfortunately when I e-mailed 1zespresso to get their thoughts on this, their recommendation was if I was primarily buying a grinder for pour-over, to get a K series and sidestepped this discussion.
The K Plus vs. K Max is infuriating. Obviously the K Max exists because they're trying to consolidate parts for grinders, which in the long run is good for both consumers and 1z Espresso so no complaints there. It's also much better looking than the K Plus in my opinion. But they got rid of the blind shaker options. And while I know that for pour-over a blind shaker is basically useless and even for espresso it's kind of a gimmick since a funnel and distribution tool in most cases is faster and better, it just irks me that if I paid $10 for the Plus over the Max I'd have a grinder with an extra feature. So why not just pay the $10 and get the Plus? But the Max looks so much better on the counter and it's cheaper. So why not just get the Max? But I *want* a blind shaker if in the future I decided to try espresso. So why not just get the Pro? Repeat in circles forever.
haha! Yeah that's partly why I mentioned early in the video - 1Zpresso have done a good job spreading out the features 😂 You don't really have the one grinder that has everything - yet you still have a pretty good choice. I agree with you the MAX versions look and feel way better than the PRO or PLUS..
I'll make sure to add some tasting in the videos, it's just me in the studio sometimes - so a blind tasting can be tricky to confuse myeslf 😂
The J-MAX grinds super fine, really easily - that was one of the discoveries I had - and as mentioned - what I thought was a comparable grind size was in fact much much finer on the JMAX than other grinders - at what should technically be almost identical burr gaps. So perhaps this is what 1Zpresso are referring too. I'd say it does have something to do with the titanium coating burrs.
The K-plus with the teeth running up the burr flanks is very much like the Comandante I agree ... and I wouldn't be surprised if they had similar performances in grind quality because of this. I'll have to do that test when I get my hands on a C40 MK4 soon.
The JMAX over the JX-PRO for espresso 100% I agree with you there - but they'll both do a really good job - it's just the JMAX is that much better for dialling in ... and I almost went with a different conclusion on the JX-PRO because of this, though from my limited time using them versus what the market is telling me, the JX-PRO is a very popular grinder as it's reasonably cheap and you get that value that is not seen in a hand grinder under $350aud. So I concurred that the JX-PRO is that budget precision grinder for all brewing methods, though notably espresso, where other grinders around the same price point don't even come close. For Filter Coffee ... it still outclasses everything around it, but it's a big jump for someone looking at the Timemore C2 for instances, at $109 to than suggest the quality is that much better for filter grinding to spend 1.5x more. I'm not sure I can make that argument.
@kssarh You've summed up part of my myriad frustrations very well. I have a tonne of them around Kinu and Commandante as well. And now Appolo is there to further complicate matters.
It can be a real pain if you're looking for the perfect "one and done" grinder and you're a picky person - which let's face it, most of us coffee morons are... Well, at least it's all first world problems and an enviable position to be in. 🤷
@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks for your comparison (and videos in genral). Really helped.
Cheers! 😀
@@MuditBadlani Saaaame
Thanks AB for the comparison (and the other JX-Pro specific video), and I got my JX-Pro from you guys shortly after. The performance to price ratio was too good to pass.
I did find after about 1 month and 1.5 kg of espresso beans later, the grind settings loosened about 3 digits (12 clicks), and didn't go any further. Just something to note (likely to happen to any other grinder also). Otherwise, perfectly happy with it!
thanks so much! This might indicate the burr seasoning. It's not something readily discussed with Hand Grinders - but is no less critical to its final performance. Thanks again - great info 👍
This is the best 1Zpresso grinders comparison I have yet seen.
Hi ive been unsure on if I should get the q2 or the jx as I only do pour over and immersion different sources say the q2 with the heptagonal burr set is better suited while others say the jx is better what would you recommend?
The Q2 makes fantastic clean tasting coffee. it is great for filter coffee, using the Hept burrs. I would say , the JX is a better performing grinder overall however. It'll grind much faster, with a bigger burr set and a better grind adjustment. JX, or the X-Pro all day 👌 I'd only consider the Q2 if for travelling and looking to keep everything super lightweight and compact, I find it a bit small and slow to grind for everyday. - However as the profiles go, the Q2 may sneak in there to be slightly better for the filter range than the JX. Tough call indeed! X-Pro is almost that in-between here! sorry 😂
I can’t seem to find the J-max on your website?
The only kind of coffee I drink is Espresso, Moka and Turkish. Sounds like J-Max will be on my list of goodies to get along with Flair pro 2 and 9barista. Thanks Joshua!!
You're welcome !
Purchased Q2 water watching your previous videos. Thank you, it's awesome ✌🏻
Hope you enjoy it!
Whew. I ordered a J_Max before I saw this. I use a La Pavoni at home and travel with a Flair Pro. Pretty much only brew espresso so I'm confident I got the best grinder. Yay.
Good stuff!
Please do a comparison of the new K-Max against K-Plus
Jmax produces more fine parts than k plus and even jx right? So it's not good for v60? Only for espresso
Hi Josh, Is the K-Plus still available? Showing as Out of Stock at AB online.
Is there another option with both the Magnetic Catch Cup and the easy dosing option of a removable base? This seemed like a really neat design.
Am looking for something suitable for both Wacaco Nanopresso and 'simple' home espresso machine.
Thanks.
K-Plus is no longer available sadly! It has been replaced with the K-Max and K-Ultra which use the same burr, but different styles in the body and grind adjustment. I really loved this design as well with the removable base - though 1Zpresso have gone and removed this from all units.
My concern with the SMEG basket is it may even be tapered? Starts out wide, and thins? ... It would not be more the 58mm, I'd be surprised if it were even 58mm. Sounds more like 51mm - 54mm. Normcorewares have some great tools to fit both. Including a Dose Ring for the 54mm size.
The Timemore C3 looks to be the best priced for performance for what you're using it for. Or the 1Zpresso X-Pro, but that's getting up there for price.
I want their legacy grinder 'zp 6'. I want it for collection. It is said out of all the grinders they ever produced that produces more cup clarity, more than a comandante even, but they replaced those models with K models which are more all-rounders. Probably only place one can find one is in 2nd hand market in China, and I don't speak chinese so that's rough. :(
I'd like a Zp6 as well. So, if you find a place or method to get one, let me know. I gave up on that idea and found a way to get the JS model. It has the same burr set... I think. Anyway, in terms of pour over hand grinders, the JS is one of the best, in my opinion.
Отличное видео,спасибо! Мне нужна хорошая кофемолка для турецкого кофе в турке,какая из этих двух последних моделей будет лучше для этой цели,подскажите пжлста ?
Which one should i choose if im just making french press and moka pots? Jpro or kplus?
K-PLus. ... easier to jump between settings - makes great tasting coffee
J max or k max suits better for espresso?
both really - different burrs though
Can the J-max actually grind for french press (using the James Hoffman method)? I'm usually making french press, but I would like to get into espresso and pour over. If the grinder actually is able to do it all, it's perfect for me.
yes 100%
Is it recommended to clean hand grinder burrs with urnex tablets periodically?
Excellent review and interesting observations. I have a question, which one do you think is more suitable for a moka pot? Thanks
I would be looking a the J-series Grinders for this 👌 However you probably want to check out the most updated version of the Grinder range here: ua-cam.com/video/Np0pxwi8hi8/v-deo.htmlsi=No4nLXORfy-5I6aE
@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks a lot
Which 1zpresso is best for Pico Perso?
I just bought a hand grinder, Kactus Kitchen brand. Other than the logos, it looks identical to the 1Zpresso Q2. I'm wondering if they are the same. I know that is common practice for inexpensive Chinese made appliances to be sold under a variety of brands.
I have no idea sorry - a quick google nad I couldn't bring up anything that looks similar to the 1Zpresso but I doubt it - just because the 1Zpresso are reasonably unique in their build - not carbon copies of other grinders
Very comprehensive review and well presented. You're ok with me if you reference James Hoffman. I'll be looking in for more of your videos.
😂 haha thanks! We've all learnt so much from James! OG fan here 😀 Was reading his jimseven blogs back in '07 and they helped me takes leaps with making better coffee as a Barista ✌️
Another great video Josh. Just purchased (after watching this video) my new K-Max for and am currently dealing in for my AeroPress. Great grinders.
Thanks Iain! Good choice! 👌 Amazing coffee to come
@@AlternativeBrewing just ordered the PicoPresso after watching your video. The combo should make a great travel coffee pack. Just wish we lived in AUS so we could order from you guys.
@@AlternativeBrewing PicoPresso make a v nice double shot - once I could make one without making the kitchen look a RIGHT mess. Followed your guide and it works a treat. Thank again man. Ps. Can you ship to Singapore? Getting all these great reviews, hints and tips from you and then go buy elsewhere. Doesn’t seem fair.
Really great video @alternativebrewing question: Royal Flair? Or Jx Pro?
Jx-Pro 👌
Any thoughts on what electric grinders could provide a comparable grind quality to a jx pro or jmax?
It's really any Stepless grinder - You could consider the Baratza Sette series - mainly the 270 and 270wi, and they fall in similar price brackets, but I'd say neither the Sette's would be as good for Filter grinding as the 1Zpresso grinders are. For Espresso - it's hard to beat an automatic grinder for shear power and ease. Eureka Grinders are decent, there's some models that do well in both espresso and filter - but ultimately I think a great Hand Grinder at the moment - is better than an average Electric Grinder - considering they fall in the same price brackets.
@@AlternativeBrewing really appreciate it.
Currently I'm overthinking, as we do, and debating between a j max, a lagom mini (very little info out there), a eureka Notte or trying to wait for a eureka mignon zero whenever it gets released.
Wouldn't mind paying up to say $350 if I can get a comparable range and grind quality but more convenience. Otherwise I'll grab a j max and deal with the few times a year I have guests visiting either buy preground or use a drill on it...
great work
Thank you! Cheers!
Will you be stocking the J Max?
shortly yes, 👍 Keep an eye out
What is the grind setting you use on Q2 for espresso? I found it difficult to grind under 25 clicks. Is the 30 clicks setting fine enough for a picopresso shot?
I also found there was a reasonable margin between what I suggested in the video sorry - and when the beans actually started to come out. - You should still be able to get a grind out around the 100-200µ size - I would naturally get to a reasonable fine setting like 25 - see ho it brews out in the picopresso - use the 10-14 pumps on the Picopresso -before you see coffee coming out - as your guide for if you have the fine up or coarsen the grind 👍
What about the JE-Plus vs J-Max? Great video. Thank you.
Coming soon!
@@AlternativeBrewing I'm waiting too... 😊
Love my k-plus. Worth every penny. Although I just now got a Flair Pro 2 and find espresso very finicky. Although not sure that's the grinder in any way shape or form.
Are you able to make fine espresso using the flair pro to and the k plus?? I'm asking this because I just bought a flair pro 2 as well!
@Max B I got so frustrated due to other factors outside the grinder that I gave up for a few weeks until I got good coffee and a wdt.
This morning I just started the dial in process. An I have it narrowed down to around grind size 4. Now I'm going to dial in even more next weekend. But the manual machines are so controllable I know you can make good espresso with a k-plus. Between grind size, dose, water temperature, tamp pressure, and brew pressure you can dial in just about anything.
To those wondering about the K-Max: It is just a K-Plus without the blind shaker, different colour (matching the J-Max colour) but still using the same 48 mm burr of the K-Plus. Literally, I got that response from 1Zpresso when I emailed them (great customer service by the way!) asking specifically for the difference. The color of the K-Max really got me.
That being said; the video is spot on, and I love that Joshua keeps it fair amongst each. I tried the J-Max after a jealous mate bought one immediately after seeing my K-Max. My only issue with the J-Max is that dialing it in when you change beans can be tricky. Imagine you switch from one roast to another, there's a difference in density, so now you have to take a few more minutes to dial it in, pull the shot, calibrate as needed.... That being said, IMO too much precision can be a bad thing. Yes, you'll get the shot you want but at a cost of a lot of calibrating if you're switching beans. With the K-Max I only need about a 5 click range (somewhere between 28-33 clicks from 0; or 2.8-3.3 on the turn dial) to dial my espresso in.
Just my experience with them, I dislike the fines for the J-Max as well on pour over, BUT again, as Joshua said - if you're only using it for mainly Espresso, it will do the job. K-Plus and K-Max still have my heart as the all-arounders and Comandate contenders!!!
Thanks!
What's a blind shaker?
@@ex0ja I don't really understand why it's called that, but it's shown at 08:20 in the video.
@@JensThestrupToft thanks. It's funny, at my local shot the K-Max is more expensive, when it apparently comes with less functionality, lol. K-Plus is sold out though and I don't plan on using it for espresso so will probably just get K-Max.
@@ex0ja I'm currently debating between those two and Comandante myself - and really also Q2 for its travel capabilities.
@@ex0ja basically the catch cup bottom part removes and you can place it straight into a portafilter and shake it out to get the espresso right into the basket neatly. OR if you don't have one that does that, such as the K-Max, you can just put the portafilter upside down on the catch cup then flip it, so kinda not important to have the blind shaker.
Hey guys, I was wondering, since everyone is talking about how good the jx pro is at grinding for espresso, can it also grind that good for a pour over? Is it that big of a difference between jx and jx pro at grinding quality when we are talking about pour overs? Thanks in advance
Not really. JX-Pro is good for Espresso yes, but can easily highlight very good cup qualities in filter coffee too No worries
I have JX (not pro) for coffee drip, so should I upgrade to other one? and which one that I could upgrade?
I'd go a K-series Grinder for your next choice 👌
What grind setting do you recommend for J Max for pourover?
Around 3 full rotations from Zero 👍
got the j-max for decaf duties. amazing. simply impressive. and i am comparing this to my specialita.
Amazing! Yeah, the fine tuning of grind is equal to that of many electric grinders 😀
Hey that's awesome, I have a Silenzio and am considering the Jmax for decaf and travel.
How much of a headache could be to get a JMax for espresso and French press?
not at all - this would be a smart practical choice for a grinder 😀
@@AlternativeBrewing thank you so much, I placed my order based on your video, this helped me a lot. Thanks again!
Woww!! Finally after yesterday left a comment on ur video🔥
Legend! thanks for sharing
Thanks for all of this! Which grinder has the smallest circumference, if they vary? I have small hands, and the JX-Pro was uncomfortable to hold. (I only grind for espresso, by the way.)
THe K-plus than for sure. Has the smaller grip compared to the rest.
Hello coffee grinder in which country is it made??
Have you had the experience that the MAGNETIC grind cup came OFF during grinding?
P.S. Why do you call the 1ZPresso - EASYPresso?
Yes, I have had the experience that the grind cup coming off, happened once or twice - and once you're aware of it slipping you can adjust to ensure it doesn't happen again.
My belief on this is - 1(one) translated in another language is "Eey" ... So rather than saying One-Zhee-Presso, you say Eey-Zhee-Presso. ... also everyone else I know calls it Easy-Presso. So it kinda caught on 😂
Thanks for the in-depth comparaison ! How about speed? The K-Plus (37sec on 20g of 800 microns) seems to be much quicker than JMAX (57sec) and JX (54sec) according to Kyle Rowsell, but he did not compare the JX Pro.
So, just quickly - my thoughts on grinding speed has recently been divided into two camps. The underlying factor is 1) Ease of grinding (helped on by burr size, burr geometry, hande length, any other parameters still exploring) ... and 2) simple speed at which you are able to grind comfortably at based on the ease of grinding. These could well be two separate things - but in the case of the Jmax and Kplus. The Jmax is a faster grinder - but geez it's hard to get the crank handle at a consistent speed. Whereas the Kplus, is only slightly slower - but is much much smoother to crank the handle on. I would much prefer to grinder an extra 10 seconds on the Kplus than struglle each time on the Jmax for example. So I believe the Kplus can be faster - given it allows to grind more easily as well. But i would say in my findings - that the Jmax ground quicker than the Kplus did, at the same pace.
The JX-Pro is a little harder to grind than the K-plus but no where near as hard as the Jmax - so for speed and ease, it sits somewhere in the middle 😀 Hope that answers your question?
@@AlternativeBrewing It does, tremendously, many thanks !
Also wheres the x pro ?
came out after this video - probably due for a re-visist 👌
Thanks for a very useful video. What click should I use for cold brew/cold drip on Jmax?
Go 4-5 Full rotations - so as coarse as it can go basically
Great video! I have read that the J-max produces more fines than the Jx-pro. Did you find this to be true in your testing? I am looking for something to make filter coffee with, but in the future may venture into espresso.
I didn't come across any more significant fines with the JMAX vs JX-Pro though - the JMAX tends towards grinding much much finer than compared to the other grinders - at what I would expect to be the same grind size.. I've also attempted Espresso brewing and had to coarsen up the grind with the JMAX each time ...
What is the Q2 best for? I’m considering it for my pour over routine as i have a specialita exclusively for espresso. Would it be a good choice? Also what other options would you recommend? Thanks
Good choice! For the price - you can't go wrong 👌
I own the 1zpresso JX, JE, and Q2. The JX is for people who like acidity in their coffee. The JE is creamy and balanced being 1zpresso best kept secret. The Q2 tends to bring out acidity as well. There are definitely taste differences among these grinders
Thanks for sharing. That's an impressive collection 👍
@@AlternativeBrewing I will say, after tasting the JE I no longer use the JX
@@donh1572 is that the normal JE or the JE-Plus?
@@tonynurrahman3467 the normal JE. They both use the same burrs
@@donh1572 thank you
Thank you AB for a great review but it has left me alittle confused as i saw your review with the niche v hand grinders. I drink espresso. You had dialed in and tasted jmax, kplus and c40 amongst others. The end result your were amazed at kplus and c40 but did not even rate the jmax. In watching i thought the texture of the c40 looked nice. You had chosen the kplus as your choise. I love the fact that jmax has the greatest adjustment capabilities but the ta0ste is of most importance. In this vid your rec for espresso is jmax which it clearly wasnt your other vid.. please explain🤔
Thanks for watching and taking notice! It's a great question - I totally agree with you that "the taste is of the most importance" The retrospective of my change of mind came after tasting many more Espressos between these two particular grinders (Jmax, Kplus.) Also - I guess I delivered the Jmax in this video as the best suited for Espresso -based on the numbers alone, being the ridiculous VBM (Vertical burr movement) of 8.8µ microns versus that of the Kplus's 24µ.
In choosing a Grinder to be the winner - there'll be 2nd best - but in terms of performance or value for money - there's really no 2nd best. - all the 1zpresso Grinders are fantastic. The flavour aspect is very nuanced with many factors - and I hope I do a good enough job presenting what differences I perceived the Grinders provide for flavour. The K-style burrs do, in my experience provide more clarity - more sweetness and highlights brighter notes compared to the J-style burrs - and this is information from 1Zpresso - as well as similar findings by myself and others who have tried both side by side. J burrs are similar to Comandante - though I would say there - Comandante Burrs are better in creating that rich, heavy texture espresso.
The purchase scenario for the Jamx would be - if you're sold on the aesthetics, love to dial in espresso (or filter coffee) to perfect the recipe - and perhaps drink most of your coffee with Milk - and usually use a Blended Coffee, or nutty/chocolate forward noted coffee. Everything else - Kplus 👌
Thank you for such a detailed review. It helped but where I live, only Jx pro is available and not the Jx. I mainly brew pour overs and origami, and sometimes the odd aeropress. For me would you suggest a jx pro? Or should I look for something else?
I am using Baratza encore since last two years and the consistency of the grind size has degraded a lot and hence I want to now move away from it.
In terms of quality - the JX-Pro is up there and you'd not be disappointed in it for your brew methods at all. I couldn't recommend a better grinder for the same price or less. So go the JX-Pro ... also we ship worldwide 😀
I use also Baratza encore at this moment, but I can't get a good shot espresso. Im looking for a hand grinder (good electric grinder is very expencive for me). The mechanisme for grindsetting of Comandante is terrible. I like to the system of 1zpresso. I like that.
@@ahmettanriverdi5238 How is it terrible?
J-max or k-pro?
JMAX 👌
Greetings and thank you for your knowledge and video! I'm currently using an entry level ceramic burr mill that holds a max of 20-21g and takes forever to grind. Looking to grind 42g (2 cups @ 21g) for use with my V60 and stay around $150US. What would be your "hands-down" choice?
Timemore Chestnut is well under that budget but has a small capacity - otherwise you won't be disappointed in an 1Zpresso JX-PRO and spending a little more.,
Thank you!
@@AlternativeBrewing if it's for pourover use only the 1ZPRESSO JX would do the same job under 150, it's 129 currently
I am looking for a hand grinder for home and travel. I just got a QM Vetrano at home for espresso and ordered a DF64. I will still do some V60 at home, and for travel (which happens a lot) I would use a V60 mainly (or an aeropress/french press/chemex on occasion), or PicoPresso for espresso. What do your recommend in the 1Zpresso lineup (I am guessing you say K-plus if price is OK - which it is. But if saving >$75 gets me similar cup-taste and workflow I'm ok saving some bucks). And the big question is if the Kinu or C40 is a better choice - so far in my reading they are not. Slight price premium without (from what I gather) better taste or workflow. I have not looked into the Apollo too much but don't see an advantage (not too worried about speed). I am intrigued by the Lido OE but I don't think I love the workflow. Lots of words. Seeking the best-fit for my needs... which is basically best filter coffee in the cup with some useful features and good performance in the picopresso.
Hey Jeremy, the K-Plus is the grinder you won't be disappointed in. It's unlikely you'll wish for any other grinder once you start using the K-Plus. It's going to be superb for your pourovers and work well for espresso with the Picopresso 😀
@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks. And BF pricing didn't hurt. Got one!
@@jlubkin solid 👍
I have 2 questions about J Max grinder.
1. How long do burrs last? i.e. is there a recommendation to change to new burrs after a certain time?
2. The grinder starts at 0 setting and then one can adjust the dial. Does adjusting dial often to various grind settings reset the initial settings or once set to zero, it doesn't change?
Hi there, Thanks for your questions.
1. Burrs will last a very long time. AS in 10 years plus considering their treatment. It's likely you won't see any performance loss from the burrs dulling over this time either. It takes many many kilograms of coffee - 500kg plus to dull these burrs - if you're only grinding 20-50g a day. That's a long time.
2. Zero setting should not change once set. But periodically - if cleaning out the grinder - it doesn't hurt to recalibrate the zero point again. 😀
@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks! Much appreciate your guidance.
1zpresso JE 也是十分出色的產品，謝謝您欣賞並肯定台灣的工藝品質!
Hey I recently got the J-max, I really love how it works and it's my first time owning a handgrinder. I found it a little difficult to grind some lighter roasts at finer grind settings (aeropress) where I basically had to hold it almost horizontally to get a good flow. You seemed to do it quite effortlessly in your review, do you have any recommendations in terms of technique?
Sure 😀 Great purchase for your first HG btw. I would recommend titling the grinder almost upside down to - (once the beans are inside) and starting rotating the handle without any beans stuck between the burrs - than once you get a good motion, being the grinder the right way up and let the beans drop in to the moving burrs - this will help you get started - next - it's important to rotate both hands in a circular motion [ as oppossed to holding the grinder steady in one hand and just rotation the handle ] ... You want to rotate both hands and this will grind faster and make it easier to do !
I don't see it mentioned often, but the Q2 is definitely the best grinder that fits inside the aeropress!
That was the reason I bought it, although I wasn't sure it would fit, but it fits great, with some space for filters.
I find the adjustments irritating to switch between settings though, given the numbers are not from a 0 point of reference, it can be a bit tedious to track and change between brew methods.
Great point!
From a practical point of view, do you think the J Max has possibly too much adjustability?
It could be construed that way yes 😂 I do wonder what any less than 0.0088mm adjustments are gaining. Its adjusmtents are almost as if it's Stepless. I have found it easier to find a grind setting on other grinders vs that of the Jmax - you have to get used to the Jmax more than say the K-PLus because of its tiny grind size adjustments, yes.
thanks for review, i have a k-plus and i thinking if i need J-Max for espresso, honestly i'm satisfied, there are few changes in grinding uniformity. If a looking for sweetness point by adjusting weight only. Was it a mistake? is better way a new grinder with more grind uniformity (J-Max x K-plus)?
No I would stick tot eh K-plus for sure. You have a great grinder with which, yes, adjusting the recipe, the water, the speed at which you grind etc can assist in exploring and finding the characteristics your after.
Impossible to follow the different models with out in-image labeling
is true ! so many! you can check all the ones we have here 👉 alternativebrewing.com.au/collections/1zpresso
I got the K-Max
Thanks! Now I know what to compliment my Commandante grinder!
You bet!
Why?
J Max all the way!
Hi. Great video as always🔥. Quick question - I’m currently using Q2 (mainly v60 and Aero) as my daily driver and I fell my drinks are a little bit to acidic. I have budget to buy C40 MK4 (or MK3) as an end game grinder but… will it be a significant difference in taste to justify spending more $$$? Will it make my coffee more balance or sweeter? Looking forward to hear your thoughts. Cheers.
Yes. A bigger far better burr set will make the difference to the quality of the grind produced. I wouldn't say it's night and day, but you can see the difference and the coffee will have more clarity in flavour due to a better consistent grind produced. To alleviate some acidity in your coffee , try using hotter water too, or extending the brew time by pouring slower, using multi-pours or stop starting intervals and grinding a little finer too
C40 is better than the Q2 and I'm sure you'll notice a difference. Not a HUGE difference, but Yeah, a difference. I feel you're bit hesitant on dropping some cash on a C40 but let me tell ya the JX-pro does as good as the comandante for much less money and even beats it in many other aspects.
I got Jx-Pro for less then 150 US so im happy with my choice. Travel bag is on my wish list.
Thanks so much for the insightful look at 1zpresso grinders.
Could you tell us more about the flavor profiles of each grinder in pourover, Aeropress and espresso?
Hi there - It's not each of the 1zpresso Grinders - but the pick of the bunch - and taste tests here - ua-cam.com/video/j6q5cbr8RjE/v-deo.html
@@AlternativeBrewing awesome! Thanks for the heads up and great info
pls re 1zpresso q air
I´ve bought the Q2 in May this year. Mainly because of its size. Well, may I say I disagree on some points mentioned in ther video.
The Q2 may be able to grind at 200 microns (20 clicks and lower) but for a 14g dose it took me 30-40 minutes! That is absoilutely not practical. Weird thing is: same dose of the same coffee bean grinds at 30 clicks in "just" 7 minutes, at 60 clicks in around 2 min.
I would not recommend the Q2 for Espresso.
30-40 minutes!! Something is wrong! I grind 14 grams in 40 seconds for espresso
In conclusion... Buy the J max guys, lol
For espresso yes - it works a treat once you dial your coffee in - however I just recently did a video on flavour comparisons - including the Comandante MK4 and the K-Plus was the standout for flavour
@@AlternativeBrewing flavor is all that matters I guess right? I'm really stuck man. Which one is easier to use? I'm still new to manual hand grinders so in general which one should I get, the J max or K plus?
@@maxb5947 If you want a grinder to do more than just really well dialled in Espresso? The Kplus., otherwise the J-Max for Espresso ONLY.
Bad review, just some basic overview over specs.
What would you like to see?
Excellent review!!! Thank you! Really helpful!
Glad you enjoyed it!