Paramore & Hayley Williams' Love-Hate Relationship with “Misery Business”
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- For many, the commercial breakthrough of emo-pop of the mid-00s was all about the bombast of My Chemical Romance, the wordplay of Fall Out Boy and the theatre of Panic! At the Disco. But fifteen years later, Paramore are the band whose impact is the most visible.
Singer Hayley Williams’ female point of view and impressive voice proved to be much needed in the sea of dramatic boys falling apart to songs about hips and hearts. To the pity party, Paramore brought a barrage of solid-gold anthems, recalling the best of Jimmy Eat World, with choruses that, rather than bitterly commiserating, uplifted and consoled. However over the years, their biggest hit proved to be contentious. This is the story of Paramore and their Uneasy History with “Misery Business.”
#paramore #miserybusiness #musicdocumentary
Hayley Williams quotes by @MaggieMaeFish
Fact-checking by Chad Van Wagner.
00:00 Introduction
00:48 The Beginnings of Paramore
06:35 Recording Riot! & "Misery Business"
14:10 The Controversies of "Misery Business"
18:27 The Controversies of "Misery Business" Part 2
21:53 The Legacy of Paramore & "Misery Business"
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Nice man this is like Haley asmr. Its not like her speaking voice allows her to do it herself
Nevermind her voice just kicked in and scared the shit out of me
*shite
Ever notice how good 4 u is the other girls perspective?
Hey there little lady... I didn't even know who "PARAMORE" was until U appeared in my feed. NEVER heard of EMO-POP. Definitely quirky and different muzik! One fact is absolute- U have a POWERFUL VOICE with ENERGY to match. Certainly doesn't hurt that Ur TOTALLY ADORABLE! If U like female vocalists and don't know her... give "SANDRA DENNY" a listen. She passed in 1978 under very sad circumstances. A memorable song of hers is "WHO KNOWS WHERE THE TIME GOES" She was a 1000 year old soul with the heart of a cherub. Her voice will send shivers down Ur spine.
She wrote it as a teenager. It's how teenagers can feel, their emotions are dialed up to 11.
Remember that the British tend to have a very shitty history of making exaggerated titles shitting on people when it comes to journalism lol
In some way, by attempting to stifle the song & its raw content, she became the 42 year old LA guy censoring lyrics into bland mush. A silly character arc for someone who started out as a reaction against exactly that persona. I’m glad at the end she came round.
exactly! i'm sure if my thoughts as a teenager were recorded and forever online they wouldn't be all rainbows and butterflies.
Yes and it sounds like your intrusive thoughts too like a high school girl being petty/jealous and projecting her insecurities onto the girl with the more developed body
Exactly, everything is so intense, I remember it well, it wasn't altogether enjoyable. I think it's very worrying how many old people forget what it felt like and look down on kids for being "dramatic" and "emo". It's a normal stage of development, you wouldn't look down on a baby for having to eat every couple hours, that's just how stuff works.
"And the boy who would be Skrillex" was an amazing phrase for some reason hahaha. As if "Skrillex" is a title passed from one generation to another. "There he is! The Skrillex!"
The artist soon to be known as Skrillex
Every 100 years, a random boy vanishes from the village, only to return different...as The Skrillex. If you misbehave, The Skrillex will be hiding under your bed or in your closet and will come to eat you.
@@deeelle6567 And you always know The Skrillex is coming because of the wuub wuub sound serving as a harbinger of doom.
Omg I love this! The lore behind the Skrillex... Thank you 🙏
Your comment is so cute I screenshot it 😂
I’m a dude that’s 27 and I have an older sister, and she blasted this shit all day as a teen, and I have to admit I always sang along.
What absolutely blows my mind is she wrote all those songs at such a young age. The whole band was pure talent. Rare.
@CLB Ronin dude I’m 25 and I’m starting to feel old af
31, and a dude.
Didn't like the 'emo' bands. Never liked panic, FOB (though I came back around on a few songs a few years back), or MCR; but paramore had something real.
I think it says a lot that even though i fell away from Rock entirely as a genre, there's maybe about 10 paramore songs that I keep listening to, and coming back to even a decade later. Considering about 99% of what I listen to is Soul, Dance (techno/house/disco), it speaks volumes about how special paramore are that I listen to even one of their songs now, not to mind 10.
They did not quit, back now it seems
Taylor always had this good boy, just doing his best energy and was a fav of mine when he was added. To now realize that he was the sole Paramore member for a moment, is both hilarious and reaffirms that Paramore would be NOTHING without him. The quietest member, added last, and possibly the least well known is the one of the main reasons they're still here and we must stan him for that always
Nothing without HIM ?
Taylor York is considered the least well known? I feel like he's more well-known than Zac and Jeremy (hell I just found out about the latter's 'rap' career)
I don't know about least well-known but definitely the most underrated member of Paramore
I AGREE, I love you Taylor
Taylor is responsible for Paramore's sound change in AL. Idk how much Jeremy contributed to writing for Self Titled but Taylor's been a main songwriter ever since he joined. So he's to thank for all the bops Paramore's given us lately! He is hugely talented and very stannable. And those curls? To die for.
This is PRECISELY the model of how to grow, learn and move on without giving up the good things that were problematic in your past. You can't re-write history, but you can give it context, and explain the lessons that you learned since.
It's clear that Hayley has grown since she wrote the song. But it's a bop! You can recognize the artistry in it and point out it's flaws in the same breath, that's adulthood.
Not everyone has something they made as a child follow them into adulthood. But this is a masterclass in reckoning with that.
Very well put ❤
Nothing even problematic about the song in the first place. The song is about shaming manipulative/narcissistic behavior that could come from anyone, not shaming a gender.
It is sad that Hayley has essentially been almost bullied into feeling ashamed of lyrics she wrote that captured a genuine anger she felt at the time. It has to be viewed as some kind of snapshot of her character when it wasn’t at all
Say that to the cancel culture nazi’s who want to ruin someone’s past over who they used to be! It doesn’t seem to matter to them that someone has changed.
@@Reaver1223 Also saying she used gods name in vain is how you know all those 'christians' only care about correcting someone rather than actually being correct because god's name isnt god bruh ☠ It's just a word to describe his position like how Zeus' name is that and not 1st name god last name thunder.
There nothing ‘problematic’. Tbh using the phrase ‘problematic’ shows the type of person who have issues with this. People who find problems in things when there is no problem is there.
Misery Business and Paramore were the voice of a generation of kids growing up and feeling a whole bunch of emotions they couldn't process
I've had their latest single "This is Why" stuck in my head for days, so thanks for that!!! 🤙
Stuck in mine too
Just watched your last vid. Awesome running into you here as well
@@Amarok41 (She also helped trash theory make this vid by voicing all the quotes from Hayley Williams)
You were perfect for this video! Been a fan since Cracked and I'm excited to keep watching you take over youtube on your own :D
Maggie Mae, I thought that was you! I love stumbling into all your cameos!
ok but the girl doing Hayley’s quotes???? her voice sounds great and did such a good job at conveying the emotions
The voice sounds so familiar too.
It's probably an AI voice.
@@ClaudioKamoda nope, it’s Maggie Mae Fish she’s tagged in the description of the video
thought that was her 😂
Good songs capture a moment, an emotion, a feeling. They’re not PSAs or Billboards. Sometimes we want to rage at that b that took “our man.” She seems really cut up and guilty about it, but she literally did nothing wrong.
Somehow this is monumental burden for bands or people to conceive. A thing can't just be a thing. It has to be everything for everyone or else you aren't being inclusive. Not that they (she) didn't have feminist standards to meet and enforce on her lyrics and standards to satiate a cultural standard as well. After all, no one with sufficient fame and fortune wants to be remembered for using the word 'whore' however agnostic or appropriate as it may be.
I was hoping the video would would go for more about why and when the member were rotated out. Rather than propagandizing her justification that it should be compared against other male led band when it actuality each case is unique. If she just wants to be average among a few then claim that's what it takes to be good but if it's misogyny then make a claim that's what it takes to stay on top.
I think you can be regretful of your actions despite them being amoral.
Hayley has expressed many times she has moved on from that mentality although she has done nothing wrong she doesn't want to compare herself to other woman no matter what extent or what purpose or motives. She was in a very toxic relationship for years with her ex husband where she was cheated on and off constantly and emotionally abused and lied to almost forced to have a child. Her moving away from the song doesn't mean the song was bad, it just means she's a different person now. Who she was almost 20 years ago isn't who she is now.
It's because she's turned into a feminist weirdo.
Funnily enough, she "stole" (allowed Chad to cheat on Sherri with herself) Chad from Sherri. She legit knew Chad was married to Sherri but didn't gaf. There are also TONS of rumors that Hayley cheated on Josh, and I personally don't doubt them.
Misery Business is a banger. Never stopped listening to it. I'm glad they're back to playing it because I'm seeing them on tour in a few months.
personally while i don’t enjoy the new stuff paramore releases, i understand why they changed their sound. their sound really just changed with their age and it’s completely understandable. paramore will always be one of my favorite bands. all we know is falling and riot are two of my favorite albums of all time.
Hi friend, check out their newest song The News, it feels so much like riot Paramore!
@@emilye6106 just gave it a listen, and yeah i like it! it sounds like a matured version of their original sound. i would definitely listen to stuff similar to this.
I just remember the intense Evanescence vs Paramore 'feud' that lasted years during the 2000's because they were (at that time) the only 'two' rock women who happened to lead a band. It's like, they couldn't even be around at the same time there could 'only be one.'
I was so torn up by this when I was a kid. Evanescence and Paramore were the first bands I can remember being obsessed with. I would watch so many vocal comparison videos between Amy and Hayley and try to defend both of them in the comments. Looking back on it, it's nuts how they were put against each other like that, especially when they didn't even make the same kind of music.
Dude... Tarja Turunen, Floor Jansen, Simone Simons, Sharon den Adel, Angela Gossow, Alyssa White-Gluz, Anekke Van Giersbergen... what are you talking about? :D
Iirc it was Avril vs Paramore, also note There's lots of female lead bands out there other than the two you mentioned.
Dude Evanescence was far from the only band with female vocal xDDD There were good ammount of bands with female vocalists. I am Evanescence fan and it is goth not emo, as what Paramore went for xDDD No room for comparison lol
For me, Misery Business will ALWAYS be the song I sing along to so loudly that I have no voice left at the end.
I'm a 51 yr old guy...I first heard of Paramore through a game called Rock Band, when they put the song "That's What You Get" on it. I used to think...WHO is that voice...my god! its amazing! I became a Paramore fan within a few plays of that track.
Later, other Paramore songs would get added my Rock Band game when DLC would come along from the band...one of those songs...
Misery Business
What a GREAT song!!
Maybe I'm just too old, but I don't see the problem with having "whore" in a song....like Hayley said "its a page from my diary" and its written by a literal teenager. Look...we've ALL said dumb things and did worse when we were teens...its time to let the song reflect that fact and move on. Hayley is all grown up now, but that doesn't mean she should allow her former teenage self to remain quiet when that young girl had so much to say to a world that was pissing her off....some of the best music ever written has come from that mindset.
50 and still love listening to them sometimes. I was Obsessed with them for quite awhile
47 now, but back when rock band was a thing, I was on drums, and my 5 yo niece singing along to “That’s what you get”. Such a fun song.
@@kashem425 Yea...I hear ya! My daughter was 7 back then, and she loved singing it too!!
Then you have bands like In This Moment who call out the misogyny with their song "Whore" which states "you're gonna love me for everything you hate me for" I haven't heard anyone complain about them
I had the exact same experience. 😂 I'd never even heard of Paramore until I heard, "That's what you get." Then another game had "Misery Bussiness" on it. I spent many drunken Saturday nights listening to the girls take turns singing those songs. I really grew to like the songs. I readily admit I haven't heard any other Paramore songs or know that the song caused any controversy whatsoever. I think it's a little silly to me that people want to hold a teenage girl to an impossible standard while she simply expressed an emotion she had one particular day. All the emotions you have are valid, even if some are irrational, hurtful, or even harmful. They are valid because they are real. And someone out there is identifying with it. No one should be shamed or canceled for it. Especially by a bunch of woke hipocrits who are guilty of the same feelings. I'm glad she chose to play the song again in the end. Even if she claims to no longer identify with much of the song. It's sad to me that she would disassociate with the song. If you can't identify with your younger self, even if only to see how you got caught in a few traps, how are you gonna identify with anyone else? That's where we learn to empathize with others and experience real meaningful growth as human beings.
I love that she sticks to her guns in regards to how she feels about the word itself while still accepting and even relishing what that song meant then, and what it means now.
I agree, no one goes after panic at the disco, and I write sins not tragedies is still considered an emo classic. But they do go after Paramore for saying the same.
I feel like it's the same with rap music. When male musicians sexualize women, no one really has a problem with it. But the moment there are artists like Nicky, Cardi, Megan, etc. That use their sexuality or sexualize men, suddenly everyone has a problem with it
That second point isn't true at all, rap as a whole is criticised and oversimplified for being about 'sex, drugs and money'. Also given Cardi used to seduce men and then drug and rob them, yeah I can see the problem with her in particular.
@spacemilk nah it happens
@spacemilk the people who go after those female rappers literally go after the entire rap genre. I've never seen someone who likes rap music judge any of those women, they applaud it if anything.
i don’t even stan paramore but the clip at 25:37 and when the beat drops made me almost cry like u can feel the excitement and the emotional weight of that moment for the ppl in the crowd
Yeah. Real musical moment.
that "fuck it", then Zac coming CRASHING in on the drums and the crowd absolutely exploding is so god damn cool.
What I wouldn't give to have been sitting in a basement listening to Elliot Smith with Hayley Williams in my teens
@ghost mall go listen to their new tunes. Doesn’t sound so ’chartyˋ anymore
Yeah, they sound so bland.
@ghost mall wouldn't have thought they had such influences, but there's always been something special about them. I don't think any band sounded quite like them during those emo years, and Hayley has so much charisma. I do prefer their later work though.
Me too homie
For real!!!
Watching all this on-stage footage of aughts-era rock bands, I forgot how ATHLETIC they could be!! I can barely sing, play my instrument and keep my head up at the same time, these guys were doing freaking BACKFLIPS!!
I just saw Hail The Sun a couple months ago and Holy hell, their vocalist jumps off the kick drum and flies around the stage, and even plays drums for a few songs, all while doing great vocals!
@@MrTomservo85 Billy Joe Armstrong was like that when I saw him in 2013. Running, jumping, singing AND playing guitar all at the same time, and not once did he lose breath or momentum (though unfortunately that may have had more to do with the fact that he was on cocaine at the time).
I remember hearing stories about Sonny Moore (pre-skrillex) climbing the scaffolding during From First to Last shows while singing. I can't even imagine what that level of energy must feel like.
@@raven_moonshine39 Adam Lazzara from Taking Back Sunday used to do the same thing, hang upside down from his legs above the stage while singing. They probably all were doing cocaine at the time, but it was dope.
I saw Dillinger Escape Plan end one gig with one guy leaping off a 15 foot amp stack, one guy hanging upside down from the light rig, and one guy kicking everything off the bar that ran along the side of the room. Happy days.
I am a gigantic Paramore fan. I honestly think that it'd good she confronted her uneasy feelings with what she had internalized as a teenager but I was against not singing it because of a single line - especially because it became such a special moment in their shows in terms of fan interaction. So the re-framing of it as a product of a young teenager expressing things she internalized in a heavily male dominated scene and making sure that it stands a show of evolution is really important but allowing the fun and connection of that song to live on as well is the best scenario.
Paramore also deserves a ton of respect compared to most of their "emo counterparts" by the way they evolved. It cam more through trauma and lineup changes but the result was a sound evolution and diversification that made them the most interesting of the bunch and the most durable in the quality of their music. After Laughter is one of my absolute favorite records and it turned Paramore from a band I liked in my teenage years to one I love nowadays. It's that evolution and quality of recent output that made them be re-evaluated with a much more positive light than others - and I think it's fair to say, looking back, they were always a quality band.
@ghost mall I think it was Hayley herself. She did not feel comfortable with the use of "whore" and therefore she stopped singing the line and for a while considered not performing it entirely. I never really understood the decision to not play the song but I respect her having to work through this and feeling that she feels too disconnected from who she was then.
@ghost mall On the subject of edgy, comments like yours aren't contributing to a healthy atmosphere for discussion. Please consider some introspection.
@@martimpardal She partially retired it for herself because shew didn't feel comfortable singing 'whore,' but also every couple of years somebody would start discourse about Misery Business and how it was "proof" that Hayley can't be a feminist even though she has loudly professed that she is for ages. I'm sure she was extremely tired of being in the middle of that discourse and always having to defend a song she wrote when she was 15. Misery Business is absolutely a product of its era, of the scene at that time. Every pop punk and mall emo band from that time had albums full of misogyny, but the only band that was constantly reprimanded for having one misogynistic song was Paramore.
It's awesome when a band grows up with you. I feel the same way about VNV Nation: they were doing the FLA-scary-samples-and-war-themes in the late '90s, then from industrial to dark wave you can dance to, and now they're doing symphonic stuff. Same thing for NIN: the evolution of an artist as they grow up and into their art. Good to see this for Hayley as well.
i'm not into those band and never will be but... paramore is actually an excellent band. hayley is an incredible vocalist. i wouldn't call them emo as i really don't like emo. i find it too whiny but paramore at least has humor.
A song is a song, a story is a story, and "Misery Business" was written by and about a young girl, and as long as the writer does not endorse it's meaning it doesn't have to be taken as apologetic or as trying to set some sort of example... like she said, if she just had a dick, I mean, I don't see that amount of energy wasted into Depeche Mode for "A Question of Time" for that matter.
Bullshit. No one gives a fuck as much as they pretend to about that songs meaning. The only person who holds onto that is Hayley and because someone questioned it once because of the growing fad of shitting on male singers for making similar songs. Also Paramore fans and Depeche Mode fans are two different things and men hear it too, they just ignore it because you arent supposed to be dancing to make your critics feel better.
Lol. It's the feminists in the first place trying to shame her for using the word whore - if she had a dick and used the word whore then the feminists wouldn't have cared? Your comment doesn't make any sense. Plus, Depeche Mode released that song 20 years before Misery Business came out in a time before armies of blue-haired Twitter SJWs; it's a totally false comparison. Teenage Hayley did nothing wrong in Misery Business and to even say "As long as she acknowledged what she did is wrong..." is a bizarre statement to put in a comment where you blame misogynists for shaming Hayley for using the word whore while simultaneously shaming her for using the word whore. Jeez.
Hayley was the only female singer I identified with in those days. I always say she and Patrick stump taught me how to sing ❤️
Those are some GREAT teachers
All she does is screech.
folie a deux catches a lot of flack but i think it has some of patrick’s best vocal performances. i love when he gets into soul/blues bag lmao
@@maplelatte3366 apologies, you suffer from weird ears
Let’s take it from the top
There's an absolute beautiful energy to that video that came out where Hayley just goes "fuck it" and they play it.
There's this knowledge that the internet is semi-eternal, and everywhere. That she doesn't need to explain this time, because the system shock will hit everyone online. And then, a few shows later, she can give the speech. And everyone who cares will see that.
everytime i listen to misery business, it always makes me feel so...good
hayley is a wonderful role model. i looked up to her so much when i was a young teenager. it's a shame she beats herself up so much about this song, she has clearly grown so much. also so glad zac is back in the band and taylor has stayed. they're an incredible trio and work so well together. love to see how taylor and zac's style has evolved.
@@charlieberry7562 the first line you referenced is mocking men, and the second like is followed up by “i refuse” lol
There's something so powerful about their re-adoption of the song as an example of internalized misogny that they use as a tool rather than hide in shame.
Jesus fuck thats a special comment.....
@@bmagada probably a woman lol
I'm in the business of misery
Let's take it from the top
She's got a body like an hourglass, it's ticking like a clock
It's a matter of time before we all run out
When I thought he was mine, she caught him by the mouth
I waited eight long months, she finally set him free
I told him I couldn't lie, he was the only one for me
Two weeks and we had caught on fire
She's got it out for me, but I wear the biggest smile
Yea Misogrny.......
Hayley said that their upcoming album "This Is Why" is very influenced by Bloc Party (another band who a video of yours made me reappreciate) and that got me really excited. This band really said "oh, there's a pop-punk revival right now that we could very easily capitalize on on our next album? Fuck you, welcome to the post-punk revival... uh, revival".
oh she said it? no wonder i heard bloc party the moment i played this is why, i instantly went "oh this is soo british indie rock", bloc party in particular
From what I remember most of the "controversy" came from non fans. Actual fans were mad that they stopped performing it. I think the band realized they were pissing off the people who were actually buying tickets/music so they brought it back.
Right? I loved Misery Business. When they decided to drop it, for the reasons they did I was like "Jesus it's just a song lyric".
There's so much worse music out there, with more vile and disgusting lyrics, or messages.
@HauntingSpectre I think part of it is down to the artist. I like the line because it feels so cathartic, but I'm not the one who has to sing it and relive in it
That’s cancel culture for you. It runs rampant now days.
That's a weird statement, with all due respect. I mean, I don't think that a lot of kids just stopped listening to them because they wouldn't perform one song, people would still enjoy the entire concept of the band, the charisma, and literally all of their other songs. And it's very unlikely that after like 5 years Hayley would think "We are going so bad... (which they weren't, they got awards indications) I better bring that one song back"
The thing is with Paramore is that the music is timeless especially growing with the band. The music sound may have changed but the lyrics are still incredibly relatable and you can always feel that they are speaking directly to you.
Even the fact that after laughter had a lot of upbeat and funky sound but the lyrics are incredibly dark.
Also, I do want to speak on the fact Hayley has had thoughts about previous songs and had the gall to actually stand up for her beliefs as an artist and even take out their most popular song in order for herself to begin her own healing process. It’s character growth and I’m not sure how anyone can’t see that.
Stuff like that only makes me like Hayley more. It's so nice to see someone's personal journey alongside their musical journey. And you can tell she's really smart and thinks about stuff well through her decisions and solutions. The tutting to the crowd was so funny and it allows her to keep the sentiment for why she felt the need to remove the song in the first place. She has found a balance with it now.
I so totally agree and relate to this comment ❤
As a fan of their old school stuff, I will always approve of misery business. I was in a dark place and their music allowed me to feel and process all my emotions which included anger when my crushes didn't work out and when my bisexuality was a problem to many in my grade that I kept it to myself.
This song will never die. Hayley / Paramore created an instant monster. To this day, I can play this at any party, and it always works. Instant nostalgia hits everyone, regardless of lyrical content.
Dude, you make some of the best videos on the internet, your passions bleeds through the screen. Keep it up!
I was at the concert from the last five seconds of this video...Beacon Theater, NY. It was an incredible show!!!
I saw them at ACL this year and can say that most people only knew their newer songs, BUT everyone went crazy with Misery Business. It reminded me of being at Warped in 2009. It was amazing.
Amazing that a song that a literal teenage wrote that by todays standards isn’t that bad caused her so many issues
I was 22-ish when After Laughter dropped, and I professed against it so hard. Riot! and BNE were everything to me, and I hated the deviation in sound, lyrics I thought to be on the nose and lacking in word-play, and heavy, emo dynamics. But then, at 26, I listened to "26" again, and cried. I cried so fucking hard. Though I knew she was writing to her past self, it was like she was talking to me about how cynical I'd become, and not just about Paramore's music, but about life in general, my belief about who I was and who I "should" be. I'd been strangling myself into a paralysis that's barely let up even to this day. "26" was the gateway into After Laughter, and now the only reason I can't listen to it is because it's still so raw, still hits way too close to home for me.
I can't really describe how much I've always loved this band more than any other. When I daydreamed about being in a band, it was Paramore I saw in my head, who I looked to for guidance. I had hair like Hayley off and on for years. I tried so hard to sing like her. I know every word to their first three albums. Her solo work is phenomenal, and the band's new single is fantastic.
This video is everything. Even though they're not a British band, I'm so glad you made it. Thank you.
Oh man I relate to the point about 26. After Laughter came out when I was 26 and that song still gives me chills every time I hear it.
Same. I didn't like it at all. Then it clicked all of a sudden.
Do you not find that with a whole heap of bands newer albums?
It took me easily 10 years to get past anything alexisonfire did after watch out or causal dressed by funeral for a friend. In fact I was so against anything FFAF after that album it’s taken until this year to really get into the newer albums and for the most part they are rad, my loss.
After Laughter is my favorite Paramore period.
I personally got temporarily turned off from Paramore when I was 11, at the start of my horrific emo years, completely obsessed with the older music by the band, and instead of teenage angst saw self titled get released. However, after hearing This is why when it was first released I started rediscovering their past two albums and grew to genuinely love them. However, for me it was Fake Happy and Rose Coloured Boy that really drew me into After Laughter rather than 26
The depth of research and level of cross referencing Paramore's music to the surrounding pop culture is supreme! Thanks for actually sampling all references into this piece and not just mentioning them. That makes it so much comprehensible. And the framing of Haley Williams specific young and female perspective on that music is so insightful and much needed in that genre. You can see how much work went into every bit of this piece. Chapeau!
I think one day i'm going to be a 90 year-old in a nursing home, some kind soul will put on Misery Business and my body and mind will catch on fire just as it did in 2007 when i heard it for the first time.
Literally crying watching this video. I didn't realize I grew up with Paramore for so many years. I love Misery Business because I grew up with it listening to it on repeat because I couldn't buy a lot of songs on my iPod at the time. We stan Paramore.
Your music docus always leave me with a wonderfully wistful nostalgic feeling, even if I didn't grow up with the music you talk about. I don't know what it is about them, but you hit the mark everytime. Thanks for all the hard work and passion you put into these videos!
Misery Business is a great song, for sure. And it certainly was Paramore's most popular song (alongside Decode, because of its relationship with Twilight). Even so, I think I enjoyed All We Know, Pressure, Emergency, and Ignorance more from that same 2005-2009 era.
In fact, it is the slightly heavier songs like Ignorance that helped mold me into enjoying so much of the female-fronted heavier rock that I ended up enjoying later on, such as Marmozets (even from as early as their Passive Aggressive EP), New Years Day, Red Handed Denial, etc.
Marmozets are such a sick band, and incredible live, too! I miss them big time
@@ViolentMoth you will be glad to know that Marmozets announced earlier this year that they are making music again. They only took a break because Becca (the lead singer) had a baby in 2019.
Also, you are right, they are so good live. Seeing Marmozets live in 2012 blew me away and I ended up seeing them live about 10 times in the following 18-24 months until they released the Weird and Wonderful Marmozets
They took another Bands sound to make Ignorance band is called Billy talent
@@liammiddleton3064 I am aware of Billy Talent - in fact, I saw them live in 2007, 2008, 2012, and Afraid of Heights was one of my albums of the year for 2016. There is nothing wrong with being influenced by other bands.
Bands as big as The Beatles were influenced by Buddy Holly and Elvis, Metallica were influenced by Iron Maiden and Motorhead... and bands like Paramore were likely influenced by Billy Talent among others. Similarly, since then, Marmozets were influenced by Blackfish, Red Handed Denial were influenced by Protest The Hero.
What makes something creative is being able to take what you like about others' art and make it into something new, in your own style.
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Impossible not to shake my head with misery business intro, not even today it still moves me
This was a video I put on to play in the background while I did other things but I found myself mesmerized! Thanks for adding other song clips for context and thanks for the great video!
Thanks for an amazing video. This was perfect and I loved every minute of it.
This has just made me cry, but in a good way.
As a 43 Yr old I missed out on emo but paramore were such a thing for me and this has really pulled a lot of emotions out
Lol 😆 what? Emo didn't begin with these knuckleheads. Emo has been available for literally decades. Since the mid 80s. Are you just speaking on the bubble gum emo era of 05' -2010s?
so cool to hear maggie narrate hayley's interviews!!!
@@ghostmall2421 Maggie Mae Fish is an amazing youtuber please do yourself a favor and check out her channel!!
@@ghostmall2421 She’s a UA-camr who brings a very interesting and eloquent perspective to her content.
Maggie was an inspired choice to narrate Hayley’s quotes. Good get, as they say in the biz 😁
this video is so well done, I really appreciate the effort put into it, as you explain from the beginning and all the songs from the mentioned artists playing so that we can get to know each one of them (btw I know almost everyone besides Paramore, i'm such an emo). Good job! I am absolutely subscribing now.🖤
Quality work as always; having guest voiceovers is a really good addition - thank you!
Truly wonderful, well-researched, well-written and insightful video here. Congrats!
The Only Exception is one of the few songs that will bring me instantly to tears and made me feel peace in my soul. Paramore, in all their glorious messiness, will forever have a place in my heart.
Maybe you're not gonna read this, but I've spent the last month (almost every day) seeing your videos. I absolutely adore them and I think they give (among other things like my family and friends and some books that I have read recently) the strength to keep up with my daily life. After a hard day working at the library I am part of, seeing this videos and searching for the music you talk about has helped me a lot. Thank you so much. Happy new year and greeting from México!
Such a great and all round video, thank you for this work! One thing that I really loved about it was the woman voice narrating Hayley's interviews, nice touch!
the song/band that truly got me into emo/pop punk.
this song is PURE NOSTALGIA !
This is my first time watchiing one of your videos. When it was done, I subbeed immediately. Great work! Thank you!
Extremely well made, high quality video sir. You've brightened my morning. Thank you
I love this channel so much! It's great to hear the history of these iconic songs and get some background on the bands involved and the context of the music scene at the time they were recorded.
Hayley is probably one of the most inspiring women in popular music (I won't call that one, since I'm not a girl), especially since she wrote her own songs "from the heart." Everyone was getting sick of the manufactured solo girl acts that followed the manufactured boy band acts coming out of the '90s. I always respected Hayley for never tarting up or sleezing out. Not that I don't enjoy myself a little Lords of Acid or Lady Gaga; they were doing their thing and didn't change because of outside pressure and neither did Hayley. And I'm not even a fan, I probably know like 3 Paramore songs and have enjoyed Hayley's side projects. My point is the girl has integrity and it shows in her artistry. Respect.
Are we not gonna talk about how this whole video was so well written. Heck to call it "well-written" is an understatement. This is my first video from this channel and you just gained a new sub. Keep it up. Love Paramore and how they've grown.
Good video. Very well put together and yes I will always listen to misery business because it is a throwback to my younger years. Just a classic you can't get rid of. How does it mean nothing with the words but means everything as a song.
I got into Paramore so much later in life, way after the release of Misery Business and not too long before they released Hard Times. I felt bad for not giving them a chance earlier, instead scoffing and dismissing them because so many of my peers were obsessed with them. I regret being such a snooty teen, bc it's not like my music taste back then was something to write about 🤣 but you live and you learn.
great work you are the only one who can make me watch 30 minutes vidéos about artist i don't really know or care about, only because so much documentation and informations !
As you talked about NOFX in this one, could you do a video abou them ? because i would love to learn more !
your videos are always such a treasure trove of new music to check out!
Thanks a lot for this eye-opening video, I really enjoy your work, and this just confirms your writing talent, and diligent research !
Misery Business and Riot! itself holds such a special place in my heart. Riot! was the first album that I bought in my life and is one of my favorite albums all time.
Yay finally someone touches on this band. This band is amazing 👏
We love this band for its uniqueness.
I respect Hailey for writing about true vulnerable feelings.
Really great content. Unbiased reporting, really well edited and presented smoothly with story.
🙏👍🤟✅ awesome work man
I definitely did not expect to sit through this whole video. Well done.
“Heart on sleeve pop-songs with a bubble pop crunch”- thank you for so succinctly describing a sound I know I love but have a hard time defining!
I learnt so much in this video. I was never that into the 00's emo scene as I was already in my 20's by then, but I think I would like so many of their influences cited early on in this video. Not knowing anything about Hayley Williams it's very refreshing to see someone who was able to be so rational and not a massive diva, especially at such a young age. Perhaps Taylor Momsen continues this attitude?
What a great vid man. Can't thank you enough for all your work. Cheers!
Fantastic video, gave me goosebumps multiple times
Been super into paramore since day one I feelnlike ive grown with the band. They sound great playing live too. Overall I love the band the members even have solo careers that I love too. Over all they are all very talented.
Wow, now I feel old! Seeing in this video, how many current artists have been inspired by Paramore, & for me, Paramore was one of the last bands that I actually cared about, before I checked out of popular music, back in the early 2010s. My opinion of them hasn't changed, they are still awesome, & personally, I love misery business!
So excited to watch this as this has been top of my mind lately!
VERY well done and very impressive production value! Good stuff!! 👏🥰
Love this band for so long.
I like so many other unappreciated Paramore songs that to me, this isn’t even in my top 5 songs. I appreciate it because it came out at a time I felt misunderstood and could relate being a teenager but I feel like Paramore shouldn’t be defined by one song when their overall discography is amazing.
Agreed! Some of their best songs (at least in my opinion) weren't even officially released in full albums. :)
I really sat here and watched all 30 minutes.... wow.. good video.
Beautiful video. You continue to never miss
This era of music was the best!
I don't think I even listened to Misery Business until it was controversial. That alone is a good reason why I never thought much of it (I just want to like something without having to defend it...). "Pressure" will always be my favorite of theirs, but I LOVE their new song!
I'm baffled you didn't mention the Misery Business / Good 4 U mashup someone did, it sounds seamless and the songs complement each other perfectly
Right video about the right band coming at the right time. Pure and simple.
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Thank you. ✌️
I listen to metal 90% of the time and this is one of the bands I still dig. I was in my 20s when that shit came out and it is a solid song and always will be.
It makes me sad to see that Hayley felt that way about the song, but I understand why. It must've felt heavy when people were questioning her faith at the time. I just see the songs that come out now from other artists, and I give Paramore so many props for dealing with some of the bs they dealt with before so others don't have to. Misery Business is so iconic and broke so many barriers back then for future songs. I also had no idea Hayley had left for a point in time, Taylor York is amazing for sticking it through!
Great video, superb quality and fabulous for people that enjoy music.
Great video! Never stopped listening to Misery Business
Holy shit! Lucy Dacus got a clip alongside all of these amazing artists. I know her act has grown across the world, but I remember seeing her in the middle of bills at Gallery5 and having floormates from college play in her band. Will never stop saying it: so proud to see her grow as big as she has. She deserves it and more #RVAAllDay
that's awesome.. what I would give to see that progression from the beginning.
@@Amakiseul a lot of stuff is still online! Just gotta do some digging.
Did I just watched a video about band I´ve never listened to? Yes, I did and it was very informative, entertaining and well crafted documentary!
The funny thing is that when Paramore hit it big I was in my own teenage "not like other girls" phase (just discovered techno and house music so all of this "emo stuff" was soooo below me 😆). I didn´t grow up with Misery Business and I´ve learned about the controversy surrounding that song like two years ago.
i suggest watching mic the snares deep discog dive on the band if youre interested in knowing what they make
Really interesting video. Thanks for making this, learned a lot through this.
wow. this video was incredibly well made, kudos to the team!
Only really became a fan of Paramore when After Laughter came out. Got a lot of respect for Hayley having watched this, can see why she's so proud of the band.
Whew what an absolute musical hell the 00's were.
First video in this channel. Gotta say, I'm impressed with the production value and the and the minutia of quoting the sources, very thorough!
The resurgence of paramore is important. Another great video..
That wasn't Hayley who was voicing those lines? It sounds just like her, she did a great job!
wow. the whole time i was wondering where he got the sound bites of her saying that stuff.
great video as usual, you're a great writer
bro thanks for the greatest youtube short documentary abaout my forever all time love
Thank you for making this. I'd never heard the full story before.