We have a 1/2 ton RAM and its payload capacity is 1181...we looked at a Reflection a year ago and knew if we went with that we would have to get a bigger truck...most 5th wheels are NOT 1/2 ton towable...I think maybe Tradesman models could but who buys them? They are work trucks...There are not enough regulations in the RV industry and not enough people doing their homework, including salespeople...they should not be allowed to mislead people like that, not when that negligence could harm others.
I agree with you 100 percent. I would never tow with a half ton. The difference between the suspension and brakes on a 3/4 - 1 ton and a half ton is night and day different. When we started looking for campers and the salesman said I could tow the 40 foot fifth wheel in the showroom with my F250 if it was diesel I knew for sure I needed to do my own research.
@@maxcorder2211 - Most half tons max at about 1500-2000 pounds cargo/bed/hitch weight. The trailer + 5W hitch base + people + whatever else in there like tools, gas etc., and you are well over your GVWR.
These dealerships & salesman should be held accountable for misleading mostly newbie buyers in believing the can tow this units with a half ton, that goes for the manufacturers also, please do your homework before buying!!! Remember for the dealerships it’s all about the mighty dollar!!! Kinda sad, BTW.. I own a grand design, highly disappointed they preach these half ton fifth wheels
It is not the dealership responsibility to educate you about your vehicle. Anyone who is towing anything should know the numbers and limits of their truck. Stop shifting blame you woke lefty!!!
Please do not say “tons of counter space” loads of large storage,..Get out a measuring tape and measure the area!! What you might consider large, tons, big, may NOT be to others..Thanks Happy Trails!!
If your going to tow this with a half ton truck you have to make sure your truck has the heavy duty tow package or your asking for trouble. This guy never gave us the numbers you need to know! UVW, GVWR, PIN WEIGHT!
Current F-150 payload numbers: 1,310 to 2,238 lbs - so it’s safe to say that with cargo, MOST half ton models should not be towing this! Edit: this guy is talking about towing behind that “half-ton” unit as well? Don’t listen to this dude.
Nice unit with all the Options however, however layout not good for travel road access with slide closed. Cannot access bathroom and bedroom with slide in.
I don't understand why every single one of these RV designers think that the TV has to be on the f****** ceiling?! I don't know about the rest of you but when I watch TV that TV is chest height . My living room entertainment center doesn't have it clear up at head level it is at chest level so that when I sit down on my couch it is directly in front of my eyeballs. Every single one of these R v's eye look at things the TV has to be positioned so I have to Crane my neck backward sitting in their chair couch thing and look straight up that has got to be the most uncomfortable position to watch a movie and I've ever Conceived.
Overall very nice layout and appreciate the sub 7200lb dry weight. Nice to find firth wheel with no bedroom slide, allows for great cross ventilation while dry camping, less weight, less potential slide issues, not to mention less manufacturer build expense. Big consideration is bathroom & sleeping area accessible in travel mode?? Very important as we typically overnight in areas not conducive to slide deployment.
You are right about bedroom and toilet access in travel mode however, I do like the slideouts! If maintained/serviced properly they have little issues and greatly increase comfort on longer stay.
My goodness all you complainers, do your due diligence. Its not company or salesman responsibility to educate you in regards to the limits of your truck. Know your numbers and it never becomes a problem for you. There are plenty of 1/2 ton trucks that will pull this trailer and their are some that can not. Please learn the towing capacity of your truck and stop complaining in the comments.
Most half ton trucks cannot tow this vehicle because the payload will be way to much with even a modest load. All of these manufacturers and dealers are going to wind up in trouble selling these to a person and saying it's half ton towable. I had a sales guy at a dealership last week tell an older gentleman that all of the "half ton" series KZ 5th wheels were easily towed with his F150. Lawyers tend to go after everyone involved in putting a vehicle on the road and a good one will be looking at dealers.
For sure. If you are in an accident and you are over your max limits your insurance may not cover you, your truck warranty may not cover you and you will likely be sued by everyone involved. Are you feeling lucky? The problem is virtually all trucks parked in suburban driveways are half-ton 4 door crew cabs with all the options and short beds to fit into garages. Nobody buys a 3/4 or 1 ton to drive to the grocery store or work in an office. So, when they show up at the RV dealer, the only thing he can legitimately sell them is a fairly small travel trailer. So as not to limit their customers, they started slapping "Half-Ton" labels on everything. I know this from personal experience before I did my research. I had put down a deposit on a 5th wheel. I have a half-ton GMC truck. When I put the numbers into a spreadsheet I made, there was no way it would work. Took me months to cancel the deal and get my deposit back. The salesman kept insisting that my truck would "pull it down the road". BS
This thing might be able to be towed by a 1/2 ton . Doesn't mean it should be done . Most people don't have extreme package trucks . And as someone else mentioned you will have cargo , passengers , holding tanks etc . Towing safely well within control especially stopping in a hurry , if need be , is way more important !
Great video Dominic. You should have shown that you're able to squeeze by to access bedroom and bathroom when the slide is in 😏. It's a great sell wing point.
Sorry--can't access bathroom/bed with slide out in. We had GD w bunk beds and our biggest complaint was this--and could not access the fridge either. Our 1st 5th wheel was a Terry Quantum (old and used) but it was the best layout I've ever seen.
Do not use a 1/2 ton to pull this people. Get a 3/4 gasser or diesel. 1/2 ton is pushing the payload to the max before the camper and people are loadrd up
The only way you can tow a fifth wheel with a half ton truck it would have to have the heavy duty payload package on it we and according to Chevy Dodge and Ford 99.9 per cent of half ton trucks on the road do not have
We have a 1/2 ton RAM and its payload capacity is 1181...we looked at a Reflection a year ago and knew if we went with that we would have to get a bigger truck...most 5th wheels are NOT 1/2 ton towable...I think maybe Tradesman models could but who buys them? They are work trucks...There are not enough regulations in the RV industry and not enough people doing their homework, including salespeople...they should not be allowed to mislead people like that, not when that negligence could harm others.
I agree with you 100 percent. I would never tow with a half ton. The difference between the suspension and brakes on a 3/4 - 1 ton and a half ton is night and day different. When we started looking for campers and the salesman said I could tow the 40 foot fifth wheel in the showroom with my F250 if it was diesel I knew for sure I needed to do my own research.
1190 hitch weight. That’s really light.
@@andrewrichardson9883 A diesel has less payload than a gas engine due to the added weight of engine.
@@maxcorder2211 - Most half tons max at about 1500-2000 pounds cargo/bed/hitch weight. The trailer + 5W hitch base + people + whatever else in there like tools, gas etc., and you are well over your GVWR.
@@andrewrichardson9883 agree
These dealerships & salesman should be held accountable for misleading mostly newbie buyers in believing the can tow this units with a half ton, that goes for the manufacturers also, please do your homework before buying!!! Remember for the dealerships it’s all about the mighty dollar!!! Kinda sad, BTW.. I own a grand design, highly disappointed they preach these half ton fifth wheels
It is not the dealership responsibility to educate you about your vehicle. Anyone who is towing anything should know the numbers and limits of their truck. Stop shifting blame you woke lefty!!!
I believe thee is one Ford and one Ram ½ ton that can… but the bed weight alone puts it so close to capacity it’s Darwin’s Theory in action. 😊
Please do not say “tons of counter space” loads of large storage,..Get out a measuring tape and measure the area!! What you might consider large, tons, big, may NOT be to others..Thanks Happy Trails!!
Not a pocket door it's a barn door.
What is the major difference between the 150 and 100 series? Is the frame lighter or smaller? No ABS but is it an option?
If your going to tow this with a half ton truck you have to make sure your truck has the heavy duty tow package or your asking for trouble. This guy never gave us the numbers you need to know! UVW, GVWR, PIN WEIGHT!
Pin weight 1100…that’s going to be too much for vast majority of 1/2 tons.
Current F-150 payload numbers: 1,310 to 2,238 lbs - so it’s safe to say that with cargo, MOST half ton models should not be towing this! Edit: this guy is talking about towing behind that “half-ton” unit as well? Don’t listen to this dude.
Rv will be towing the dang truck if people listen to this salesman. Imagine wind or rv overtaking a lightweight tow vehicle smh.
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Very misleading to call this a 22 foot trailer.
Totally agree, but the industry widely does it. Wish they would call it by total length and could add living space separate if desired.
🤔 Annoying background music with an informative walk-through.
You did a great job with the review. I agree, it looks like a great couples coach but maybe better suited for a 3/4 or 1 ton. Thumbs up!
great video! Could a washer/dryer go in the bedroom closet?
Thanks! There is no washer dryer prep in this series of fifth wheel but with some customization a professional could make a combo unit fit.
Nice unit with all the Options however, however layout not good for travel road access with slide closed. Cannot access bathroom and bedroom with slide in.
I don't understand why every single one of these RV designers think that the TV has to be on the f****** ceiling?! I don't know about the rest of you but when I watch TV that TV is chest height . My living room entertainment center doesn't have it clear up at head level it is at chest level so that when I sit down on my couch it is directly in front of my eyeballs. Every single one of these R v's eye look at things the TV has to be positioned so I have to Crane my neck backward sitting in their chair couch thing and look straight up that has got to be the most uncomfortable position to watch a movie and I've ever Conceived.
Overall very nice layout and appreciate the sub 7200lb dry weight. Nice to find firth wheel with no bedroom slide, allows for great cross ventilation while dry camping, less weight, less potential slide issues, not to mention less manufacturer build expense. Big consideration is bathroom & sleeping area accessible in travel mode?? Very important as we typically overnight in areas not conducive to slide deployment.
You are right about bedroom and toilet access in travel mode however, I do like the slideouts! If maintained/serviced properly they have little issues and greatly increase comfort on longer stay.
He is a salesman. He lies. Do not tow this with a half ton truck. Do your own research.
When he’s talking about the numbers, you can tell he hesitates when saying it’s good for 1/2 tons. …he knows.
My goodness all you complainers, do your due diligence. Its not company or salesman responsibility to educate you in regards to the limits of your truck. Know your numbers and it never becomes a problem for you. There are plenty of 1/2 ton trucks that will pull this trailer and their are some that can not. Please learn the towing capacity of your truck and stop complaining in the comments.
Thank you Ahmad. We appreciate your viewpoint.
It's also not their responsibility to mislead you either
I current live in a Serria by Forest river Sliver eagle 24 foot fifth wheel 2005 love it!!
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Ditch the background music.
Most half ton trucks cannot tow this vehicle because the payload will be way to much with even a modest load. All of these manufacturers and dealers are going to wind up in trouble selling these to a person and saying it's half ton towable.
I had a sales guy at a dealership last week tell an older gentleman that all of the "half ton" series KZ 5th wheels were easily towed with his F150.
Lawyers tend to go after everyone involved in putting a vehicle on the road and a good one will be looking at dealers.
For sure. If you are in an accident and you are over your max limits your insurance may not cover you, your truck warranty may not cover you and you will likely be sued by everyone involved. Are you feeling lucky? The problem is virtually all trucks parked in suburban driveways are half-ton 4 door crew cabs with all the options and short beds to fit into garages. Nobody buys a 3/4 or 1 ton to drive to the grocery store or work in an office. So, when they show up at the RV dealer, the only thing he can legitimately sell them is a fairly small travel trailer. So as not to limit their customers, they started slapping "Half-Ton" labels on everything. I know this from personal experience before I did my research. I had put down a deposit on a 5th wheel. I have a half-ton GMC truck. When I put the numbers into a spreadsheet I made, there was no way it would work. Took me months to cancel the deal and get my deposit back. The salesman kept insisting that my truck would "pull it down the road". BS
Why you gotta have all that ignorant noise in the background.
No pantry!
Very small shower
This thing might be able to be towed by a 1/2 ton . Doesn't mean it should be done . Most people don't have extreme package trucks . And as someone else mentioned you will have cargo , passengers , holding tanks etc . Towing safely well within control especially stopping in a hurry , if need be , is way more important !
Great video Dominic. You should have shown that you're able to squeeze by to access bedroom and bathroom when the slide is in 😏. It's a great sell wing point.
Do you own this trailer? How easy is the slide by 6"?
@@peggyzettlemoyer-sm5dgWe do not. We went with a 22MLE travel trailer.
@@luccoulombe thank u. Looks like you can, found a better video..😊
@@peggyzettlemoyer-sm5dg I'm 5'9" 200lbs and I can slide thru the slide no problem.
Overall nice. Dislikes can’t access the bathroom with slide in. Stove not accessible with slide in. Deal breaker for me
I have this unit, bed & bath is accessible with slide in
Sorry--can't access bathroom/bed with slide out in. We had GD w bunk beds and our biggest complaint was this--and could not access the fridge either. Our 1st 5th wheel was a Terry Quantum (old and used) but it was the best layout I've ever seen.
Is it prepped for a second A/C in the bedroom
Hi Randall, yes it is prepped and you can option in a second AC from factory if you like. Thanks for watching :)
Love this trailer it checks all the boxes for a couple's trailer. We ended up purchasing the 2023 model that comes with ABS brakes.
Enjoyed your walk through. For me, I'm not crazy about the schwintec slideout or the limited travel access when the slide is closed.
No pantry. Too bad. Hope they can rethink that reality. dOtherwise, looks good for a couple or single.
Steps on the wrong side you have no access to bathroom when traveling.
I can access the bathroom in mine
1190 pin weight is not bad for half ton fifth wheel, my ram 1500 classic
has 1400 payload could work if no water in it
And no passengers or gear in the cab.
Anyone who tows a 5th wheel with a half ton is a complete moron.
Do not use a 1/2 ton to pull this people. Get a 3/4 gasser or diesel. 1/2 ton is pushing the payload to the max before the camper and people are loadrd up
Not sure I'd be tall enough to reach the fan controls above the kitchen😉I like the layout though.
You and me both! We sell a lot of folding step stools for FW clients ;) - thanks for commenting!
The only way you can tow a fifth wheel with a half ton truck it would have to have the heavy duty payload package on it we and according to Chevy Dodge and Ford 99.9 per cent of half ton trucks on the road do not have
Need soft close🤗
Bay window???😂
Candace, this will be towed by a bistep half ton pick up truck
I have a 12 foot garage door opening and need to find out if this camper will fit.
I have a second question what’s MRSP on this camper?
Are on demand water heaters getting into the RV industry soon? Seems like perfect sense.
TV is 1/2 the size it needs to be and not visible when dinning!
Who the heck need FOUR tv’s?!😮
That was a great walk through young man.
Not luxury
Precise and fast. Great tour!
It sure is a shame that they do not have a private entrance from bedroom.. I have one and it’s priceless! Very private too!!
that would be a pretty high door!
Hiw tf would you get up to the bedroom entrance?🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣