My father worked for BOAC/British Airways for 30 years. Flew all of the world, and was lucky enough to fly Concord from JFK to Heathrow when I was 15. Always loved that airline. It seems everyone who worked for them knew my father. I miss him so much. Thanks for the video. Cheers
@@ThatGuy182545 This reminds me of a video Boeing made on the retirement of the woman that voiced the cockpit warning sounds of the F/A-18 Super Hornet, also known as "Bitching Betty": ua-cam.com/video/yx7-yvXf6f8/v-deo.html
I can just imagine the talk between the estate owner and his insurance man. The insurance man with an incredulous look on his face while the owner tried to explain how a 747 knock down his trees.
@@foreverpinkf.7603 in most cases they likely would go after BOAC. not sure if Lloyd's covers them, or if they're self-insured (read: the Crown). but you ARE correct. you'll notice if there is a suit won by someone against your insurer, your next premium is a tad higher. we were a long ways from Andrew in florida, but our premiums jumped next month.
@@foreverpinkf.7603 Speaking of insurance,.. all the homeowners who have their house insurance built into the mortgage payment who have deferred because of Covid? I'm just curious to find out.. My guess is that the banks wouldn't have allowed the policies to lapse, but...?
@@shoesofemelda It was rumoured at the time that the entry in the tech log stated "there was a smell of burning wood emanating from the No. 2 engine". Interesting choice of words when you very nearly died.
I was on a go around on a 747 on approach to Heathrow a few years ago as we were just about to land - very impressive change in trajectory when those four engines roar up. My Japanese seat mate was bawling her eyes out!
BOAC and BEA were two separate companies that were merged by the government into BA. BEA was British European Airways. BOAC British Overseas Airways Corporation, a descendant of Imperial Airways.
Also, fun fact, BOAD is something you made up! Never existed. It was BOAC, Corporation not Division. 30 seconds of Google searching would have given you this info, I mean, come on, the photos you used said BOAC on the side of the plane for gods sake!
@@williamgreen5575 Regarding your original comment of some 5 hours ago on this video: There are many far more functional ways to draft a commentary on to a copyediting omission than you chose to demonstrate. I mean, come on, (sic)
@@Rishnai if he author hadn't have gone into detail on the BOAD business and then tried to pass it off as fact ('fun fact'), it wouldn't have been an issue, but the fact they never even bothered to check, just assume they must be correct, and just put the so called fact forward is what I was pointing out
I want to know what the F/O was thinking. Captain asked for flaps 25. He questions skipping flaps 20. Captain doesnt respond, so what does he do? NOTHING!!! Wtf dude?!? Why didnt he set 20? Why didnt he say “screw it he must know what he’s doing” and set 25? Why not ask louder? ‘Nothing’ was literally the worst response he could have gone with.
It's a bit confusing how he tells the story, but later part makes it clear that they went to flaps 25 ("F/O and navigator verified that the flaps were at 25", 4:10). It was just that they were already on a wrong trajectory, and no one was properly tracking the altitude, so it didn't help much at this point.
@@McFrax Didn't it make things spectacularly worse as the pilot had taken other action to slow the plane himself after the unnoticed failure to go to flaps 20?
"When in doubt, GO AROUND!" There's a big of luck, a bit of engineered sturdiness, and a bit of the trees being flexible enough and falling over to mitigate potential damage.
This is my go-to channel! I watch boat channels Jeep recovery channels a couple of other documentary channels. But this is the one I always compact to and enjoy the most. The narrator is such a humble man. He speaks well the research is spot on. To me, he's the kind of guy you'd like to meet!
I'd be interested to know if the pilots of the two aircraft were ex-military. Going through the records, researchers found some issues inherent with ex-military pilots who later become civilian pilots. Apparently, when emergencies develop, such pilots can be prone to defer to their military training, and try to deal with it 'on their own' as if they were in the cockpit of a fighter plane - and so not utilising the help of the other civilian crew, and even ignoring the help of co-pilots, etc. There's extra training suggested for ex-military pilots because of this. Does anyone know if this military-to-civilian conversion-issue was a factor in either of these incidents?
Don't forget that there are a lot of other types of military pilots as opposed to fighter pilots. My dad had a very easy transition to civilian flight because he had flown heavy cargo jets and had a very similar setup to those on an airliner.
Sound quality has improved noticeably from what it was 2-3 months ago. Content is excellent as usual. And not being afraid to revise and reupload if necessary is respectable.
Just proves how well-built the 747 is, that it could hit trees and still fly. Thank you for this post. Yes, I would love to see the Nairobi flight you mention.
I was in a military sim and demonstrating flight to an audience so to show off I crashed a 737 type plane at the tip of the empire state bldg. We all laughed but if that was real I'd have a heart attack or be dead. Actually it took quite precision to get the altitude lined up to just brush the antenna on top of the building. If it was a real miscalculation in real life it most likely would have been much lower and worse. I wouldn't want to try it.
When the lightbulb failed, I feel like that was enough reason to go around. Two people in the cockpit were completely out of the loop there, in a critical phase of flight.
True but then the pilot instructed flaps 20 and luckily the FO questioned him and the Captain ignored him. Had the FO selected flaps 20 at that moment they would have descended even faster and further and impacted the trees terrain and, well, fireball. Plenty of blame to go around here.
@@stevenspilly The issue was that the captain was trying to fly a speed that works with flaps 20 with flaps 10. When you extend flaps you don't just increase drag you do the flaps primary function, increase lift at low speed. If the aircraft was in the correct configuration, the glideslope would likely have been maintained due to the additional lift generated by flaps 20. However, instead of this, the pilot noticed he was going too fast and slowed with flaps 10. less lift, same speed, same pitch resulted in a greater sink rate and hey ho, the 747 did forestry work.
A flight years ago 3 in the cockpit one bulb of 3 out. 12 dollars angry capt. Sends FO down into dark hellhole to inspect for gear down configuration.no light. Nobody flying the plane. He hit the yoke with his elbow, auto pilot goes off & nobody notices quiet slow descent. Plane crashed gear down. Wrong focus.
@@Komrade_juice They do some approaches in a stair step fashion. Flaps 10 20 25 30. They skipped a step and ruined the continuity. A plane that large cannot respond as rapidly as a sport plane glider. Now things should be a bit better with CRM and thorough education on the subject. Thank you for making us aware of how the tree clipper got its name.
These mistakes are rare. You can fly with your eyes closed & wake up there. I see some people fall asleep before takeoff. I'm a window watcher and fly often. I find it exhilarating fun. I dont particularly love rollercoasters though even though they are on the ground somewhat. I flew to Las Vegas and got on one upside down ride. It was scary because I had never tried it before. Ill go again. But no plane ever felt like that plus you are inside in a plane. Try a short flight first to test the waters flutters. If you don't like it do not go back. My first trip was over water to Bermuda in 1973. Then whenever I could get off work. To puerto Rico then California Minneapolis Texas for military training on guess what? Planes F104 AD10 F15. Then cargo C141. With C130 next door in 1980. Then flight classes in Cessna 150. Then back to Las Vegas Hawaii & Florida & home to NY USA. Start local. Then expand. You'll see a lot of what you've been missing. Its fun. I never flew as a kid. I was 20. Now 69. Only watched planes land at JFK at 6 years of age.
Reminds me of some friends from Providence RI who had a circus elephant leave a parade and sit on their Volkswagen Beetle and crushed the front of it completely.
Most likely he didn't have to, the airline probably gave him up front whatever he asked for in order to avoid a much more expansive lawsuit (not only in terms of actual value, but also the associated PR headaches).
Kind of a juvenile joke. Vladimir may be right. I don't think it would have been a strange insurance claim at all, considering that the plantation was on the approach path to a major airport.
I think it was a Comet that touched down in the Nairobi Game Park 9 miles short of the runway. Pressure setting (QFE) issue (NBO 5,350 feet elevation).
That picture at the begining looks like a proud mother jet watching her baby jet go off on his first day as a passenger plane and now I can't stop squeeing internally.
In late June of 1988 or 1989 the was a near miss at heathrow. A 747 from Chicago almost hit a 757 that was already on the runway. It made the evening news that night. Could you do a segment on it? My father was on the 747 which is how I know about it. Please let me know if you do a piece about it.
Great presentation and very interesting. This happened 45 years ago when CRM training was not as developed as it is today. By today`s standards, you can call it total break down in crew coordination and teamwork. Also lack of closed loop communication. Seen smilar many times, but only from backseat in the sim.
@@V100-e5q Jibe....Oh !!! Interesting CRM arose from a David Beaty writing about accidents in 1969 - and he was in BOAC ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management also notes CRM developed and was adopted by NTSB and NASA especially after the disastrous Tenerife accident in 1977. We all make minor mistakes, but if they aren't picked up on an aeroplane they can become disastrous - or chop down a few trees if you spool up in time.
Probably so focused on other aspects his mind was shut off to that and because there were some flaps after the initial change in noise and aerodynamics he probably didn’t notice any more change equally if it was him flying he would feel the pitch change but possibly not if the plane is still on auto pilot
"It probably made the pilot's blood run cold" dude it made MY blood run cold and I'm just sitting here at my desk in sweatpants eating lo mein, holey moley
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I have leftovers from last night. I tried a place I've never been to before, and it turns out that instead of onions they use... fennel???? I've never even heard of such a thing before, but it was VERY NICE! Good luck in your lunch search :)
I love the graphics starting at around 0:38 with the sun light appearing to shine through the cabin and on through the windows on the other side. Looks very realistic.
Nice video, thanks! Just to let you know it’s BOAC (not D) - meaning ‘British Overseas Airways Corporation’. They merged with BEA ‘British European Airways’ to form present day British Airways in 1974.
By 1976 the airline was British Airways however they were still operating as separate airlines using the pre merger operating certificates. One of the first areas to be merged was the total purchasing function in an effort to get benefits of larger buys. It was many years before there was total integration.
@@ianoswald1605 Thanks, but then I’m not too bothered about operating licences - you’re talking about legalities. We all know airline mergers are complex and take time. Anyway as far as the consumer and what would’ve been on the news is that BOAC and BEA merged to form British Airways in 1974.
@@Wenlocktvdx Maybe that was a precursor to officially becoming BA. As we know, aircraft repaints can take a number of years. Eg AA and USAir, United and Continental. www.britishairways.com/100/story/heritage-liveries
The best computer generated video I have seen to date. Narration is easy to understand and well spoken. I have one comment: you spoke of the near miss at Nairobi. In point of fact, it was a near collision.
Sadly, In developing countries, farmers don't necessarily insure their crop unless the government has raised awareness about such things. In most cases, the government comes to the the aid.
The thing about getting distracted is that it's nearly impossible to tell that you're distracted until something proves dangerous. Sometimes it's just a near miss and you can bring yourself back to focus but sometimes the very first indication that you're distracted is the end of your life.
Right. How many times did planes go down without the pilots knowing what happened or how? Tail fell off wing sheared off too close to ground before knowing it. Sudden drop.
@@slobberybog I worked for the newly formed BA. For a couple of years, during consolidation, the company was divided into the European and Overseas Divisions. I worked for ED but on night shifts, would eat in the OD canteen not far from the Concorde Maintenance hanger. Great times.
Perhaps one day you'll find the incident in Boston between 2007 and 2012 when another British Airways 747 had to realign its trajectory towards Logan International Airport from aiming at a tower in the communities of Everett and Chelsea.
Before buying tickets passengers should be able to see pilot’s records. In this case the captain just received a ‘marginal’ rating for this plane. Passengers risking their lives should know what kind of danger they’re facing before boarding a plane. That, or they should get huge airfare discounts if a pilot just crashed 3 planes.
@@rickbanet4830 Had a C-141 coming in to RAF Mildenhall in England. They called in an hour out: "Alpha-3 (broke) for deer strike" Huh? Bird strike?? Nope. Deer strike. Was Santa now missing Rudolph? These morons hit a deer on takeoff from Ft Campbell, Kentucky, and then flew across the Atlantic Ocean. The right wheelwell was destroyed.
@@rickbanet4830 The aircrew was grounded. There's no way in hell they should've continued on, knowing they had hit a deer on takeoff. It took us 3 days to repair all the damage to that wheelwell. When it landed there was cooked meat in the brake pads, guts everywhere, and a frozen rack of ribs on the rear wall!! Yummy!!
I love those videos. And I find it uncanny that the render at 0:19 looks so real. I wasn't paying so much attention and thought it was a real photo at first.
This happened in 1976. CRM was not practiced as it is now. Today, communication between cockpit crew is much better. Good thing aircraft was a 747, built tough, and almost idiot proof. I used to work for Boeing in Everett where 747 is built. Been all through aircraft during different phases of construction. Amazing plane.
On commercial aircraft, the turbofan engines are very resistant. They are designed to withstand foreign object damage (FOD) and continue to run to achieve optimum performance. Back in the early 90s, as a mechanic, I was called out to inspect an engine on a US Air 737-300 regarding a bird strike. It did quite a bit of damage to the C-1 fan section and the core compressor. The pilot was there also telling me during take off , he had injested a large bird and noticed his number 2 engine parameters all went down and came back to up to normal operating parameters. He told me that he wanted to continue on but thought the best of it and return to the airport. I couldn't believe it as I looked at the heavily damaged engine. My hats off to the pilots.
He would not have made it far. He's lucky you discouraged him from continuing to fly then. They showed us a damaged engine on the base after a bird strike. Bones & blood all over and bent compressor blades. Strikes are no joke.
I know Right? Such a quirky but lucky airline with great pilots. *Flying through volcanic ash & quad engine failure. *Cockpit window blowing off and sucking the pilot out. *Plane engulfed in flames before take off. *Hitting tree tops with the engine. *Double engine failure right before landing at Heathrow. Sadly, they had their fair share of deadly disasters during the BOAC/BEA days: BOAC 911 (destroyed by turbulent air) BOAC 781 (inflight break up) BEA 548 (pilot error)
BA ( strictly ) have only had one fatal accident iirc - the Zagreb midair which I don't think they could have prevented. The Mancheter 737 fire was with a subsidiary ( hence "strictly" ). A remarkably lucky record when there have been a number of crazy near misses...
British Airways didn't actually exist as we know before 1974. It was formed when 2 separate airlines were merged by the government to form BA. BOAC (British Overseas Airlines) and BEA (British European Airlines) Until 1974 both airlines were government owned but operated as separate entities. The airline was formed about 100 years ago but as British Airways has only existed since April 1974 as government owned and since 1987 as a private company.
Thanks for the story! As I know Asia, it was not customary for anyone to have any insurances in 1976.. so yes poor guy. The guy in Washington State who lost his almost new car to a flying lump of dead whale was however insured.
Actually it was Florence oregon. It's amazing no one was hurt in that. Maybe he could do a mini disaster video on that. It does involve a flying whale right?
Excellent. Perhaps it's just me but the voice narration has improved greatly from previous videos..far less artificial and more natural inflections. Great job on the analysis . Congrats for an extremely informative production.
Reminds me of a story my dad told me & mom many years ago. He was an airframe tech at CFB Cold Lake decades ago, just a few years before retirement (at 45). One day they thought they'd lost a jet and its pilot into the bulrushes outside the base. But the pilot pulled it out of the bulrushes (cattails), landed, walked white-faced, without a word, past the guys on the tarmac.
I flew for BA for 30 years and this was a story that we heard a lot. Very early on in my career I flew with a guy who was operating this flight. He was sat at doors 5 at the back and said he could see the trees from his jump seat on the approach, he really thought he was going to die.
My father worked for BOAC/British Airways for 30 years. Flew all of the world, and was lucky enough to fly Concord from JFK to Heathrow when I was 15. Always loved that airline. It seems everyone who worked for them knew my father. I miss him so much. Thanks for the video. Cheers
They let you fly the Concorde when you were just 15? Super!!
To fly to serve, the camaraderie on old BA was something different
Sorry about your dad. He must have been a special guy. But your memories will last forever. Nibody can take them away. Take care.
I've got a few trees in my yard that need to be removed. By any chance do you have the captain's contact info?
IM DEAD🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@moonprincess500 That's what I'll be saying when the captain misses the trees and hits my house instead
@@Pigletsyes lmao you got me rollin'
I also have a tree that needs to be trimmed up a bit
@@780brando I'll send him over once he's done with my place
Trees can sometimes be a good additional layer of ground proximity warning.
GPWS: terrain terrain
Trees: Thump Thump Thump
@@kommandantgalileo im fkn dying lmfao
Lol.
It’s a little like the flight computer saying “PULL THE FUCK UP ASSHOLE!”
@@ThatGuy182545 This reminds me of a video Boeing made on the retirement of the woman that voiced the cockpit warning sounds of the F/A-18 Super Hornet, also known as "Bitching Betty": ua-cam.com/video/yx7-yvXf6f8/v-deo.html
I can just imagine the talk between the estate owner and his insurance man. The insurance man with an incredulous look on his face while the owner tried to explain how a 747 knock down his trees.
🥴🙄😊👍
Insurances have been created to generate money, not to spend it, so in most cases, they find a tiny backdoor to keep their "hard earned" money.
@@foreverpinkf.7603 in most cases they likely would go after BOAC. not sure if Lloyd's covers them, or if they're self-insured (read: the Crown). but you ARE correct. you'll notice if there is a suit won by someone against your insurer, your next premium is a tad higher. we were a long ways from Andrew in florida, but our premiums jumped next month.
@@foreverpinkf.7603 Speaking of insurance,.. all the homeowners who have their house insurance built into the mortgage payment who have deferred because of Covid? I'm just curious to find out.. My guess is that the banks wouldn't have allowed the policies to lapse, but...?
@@messiahsbythesackful6267 Good question.
It's fortunate they were rubber trees really - just bounced off them 😏
I see what you did there 😏😂
That's why the planes are called Boings
@@chasarr i swear i just found the best fucking pun on the internet burried down among youtube comments
Whoops there goes another rubber tree plant!
@@chasarr
I'm waiting for some Internet scholar to come along and say "herp-derp but it's spelt Boeing!" 😂
Excellent pun sir, did make me chuckle!
Fascinating. Yes, please, let's see the Nairobi one, too.
Am Kenyan and eager to see the Nairobi case
Yes please please
I think it doesn't matter what Arun is referring to, if he asks if we want to see a video, the answer is always yes
@@Double0pi either way, the message got home :p
My friend is a squirrel, he lost his whole house in this incident..
lol
He had nuts squirreled away to cover his losses at another tree!
😂😂
My friend is a bat, he too lost his perch in this incident.LMAO!
hope his family was ok
At the time, some wag in the fleet nicknamed us as British Overtrees Airways.
"What is the angle of BOA?"
"I can't give you an angle but I'd say distance wise about 25 feet."
GPWS was also nicknamed the Game Park Warning System after the Nairobi incident and we used to refer to the Overtrees Division of British Airways.
boad tree trimming service
@@shoesofemelda It was rumoured at the time that the entry in the tech log stated "there was a smell of burning wood emanating from the No. 2 engine". Interesting choice of words when you very nearly died.
@@christophershrimpton7627 Thankfully the log neglects to mention the smell emanating from the captain’s seat cushion…
I was on a go around on a 747 on approach to Heathrow a few years ago as we were just about to land - very impressive change in trajectory when those four engines roar up. My Japanese seat mate was bawling her eyes out!
BOAC and BEA were two separate companies that were merged by the government into BA.
BEA was British European Airways. BOAC British Overseas Airways Corporation, a descendant of Imperial Airways.
And nothing to do with BA - British Airways - until the takeover
Also, fun fact, BOAD is something you made up! Never existed. It was BOAC, Corporation not Division.
30 seconds of Google searching would have given you this info, I mean, come on, the photos you used said BOAC on the side of the plane for gods sake!
@@williamgreen5575 Regarding your original comment of some 5 hours ago on this video:
There are many far more functional ways to draft a commentary on to a copyediting omission than you chose to demonstrate.
I mean, come on, (sic)
@@Rishnai if he author hadn't have gone into detail on the BOAD business and then tried to pass it off as fact ('fun fact'), it wouldn't have been an issue, but the fact they never even bothered to check, just assume they must be correct, and just put the so called fact forward is what I was pointing out
Don't forget BWIA!
I want to know what the F/O was thinking. Captain asked for flaps 25. He questions skipping flaps 20. Captain doesnt respond, so what does he do? NOTHING!!! Wtf dude?!?
Why didnt he set 20?
Why didnt he say “screw it he must know what he’s doing” and set 25?
Why not ask louder?
‘Nothing’ was literally the worst response he could have gone with.
It's a bit confusing how he tells the story, but later part makes it clear that they went to flaps 25 ("F/O and navigator verified that the flaps were at 25", 4:10). It was just that they were already on a wrong trajectory, and no one was properly tracking the altitude, so it didn't help much at this point.
@@McFrax Didn't it make things spectacularly worse as the pilot had taken other action to slow the plane himself after the unnoticed failure to go to flaps 20?
That part was particularly baffling
"When in doubt, GO AROUND!"
There's a big of luck, a bit of engineered sturdiness, and a bit of the trees being flexible enough and falling over to mitigate potential damage.
and the engines didn't ingest tree limbs.
"when the runway isn't there - go around"
@@johneyon5257 as long as you don't wait too long. I saw a couple of videos where the pilots did TOGA too late, both disasters.
This is my go-to channel! I watch boat channels Jeep recovery channels a couple of other documentary channels. But this is the one I always compact to and enjoy the most. The narrator is such a humble man. He speaks well the research is spot on. To me, he's the kind of guy you'd like to meet!
I'd be interested to know if the pilots of the two aircraft were ex-military.
Going through the records, researchers found some issues inherent with ex-military pilots who later become civilian pilots.
Apparently, when emergencies develop, such pilots can be prone to defer to their military training, and try to deal with it 'on their own' as if they were in the cockpit of a fighter plane - and so not utilising the help of the other civilian crew, and even ignoring the help of co-pilots, etc. There's extra training suggested for ex-military pilots because of this.
Does anyone know if this military-to-civilian conversion-issue was a factor in either of these incidents?
At least he didn't try to eject.
@@V8King770 ...or bomb anyone...
Most British Airways - BOAC Pilots have a civilian flying background
Don't forget that there are a lot of other types of military pilots as opposed to fighter pilots. My dad had a very easy transition to civilian flight because he had flown heavy cargo jets and had a very similar setup to those on an airliner.
Good question, even fascinating, how early training can carry over instinctively.
Sound quality has improved noticeably from what it was 2-3 months ago. Content is excellent as usual. And not being afraid to revise and reupload if necessary is respectable.
The rubber trees were rubber-stamped by competing rubber tires on the landing gear.
You did a magnificent job with this story! A++
He's great at being informative but concise 👏
A great investigator and storyteller.
Just proves how well-built the 747 is, that it could hit trees and still fly. Thank you for this post. Yes, I would love to see the Nairobi flight you mention.
Such a beastly workhorse!!
Yeah the 747 can fly through a field of rubber trees, but the A300 can survive being hit by a missile
Here in Germany, I've never seen a 747 doing forestry work :(
Probably a good thing tbh 😂
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation true 😂 I Wonder if they had a deal with John Deere for special attachments for the 747🤔
@@GhostSheep96 Chainsaw 747?
@@kommandantgalileo for example 😂
just use scythes as winglets
I love how in the sim, the plane hits trees just before landing at the actual runway.
Well there is a Clipper version of the 747, so a little clipping here and there, is only to be expected XD
I was in a military sim and demonstrating flight to an audience so to show off I crashed a 737 type plane at the tip of the empire state bldg. We all laughed but if that was real I'd have a heart attack or be dead. Actually it took quite precision to get the altitude lined up to just brush the antenna on top of the building. If it was a real miscalculation in real life it most likely would have been much lower and worse. I wouldn't want to try it.
When the lightbulb failed, I feel like that was enough reason to go around. Two people in the cockpit were completely out of the loop there, in a critical phase of flight.
i agree, too little critical thinking in a critical moment
Anything that requires the gear position to be verified AGAIN as I'm landing? Forget vu nn
TBF the Captain called flaps 20 and the FO ignored him. Everything else stems from that omission
True but then the pilot instructed flaps 20 and luckily the FO questioned him and the Captain ignored him. Had the FO selected flaps 20 at that moment they would have descended even faster and further and impacted the trees terrain and, well, fireball. Plenty of blame to go around here.
@@stevenspilly The issue was that the captain was trying to fly a speed that works with flaps 20 with flaps 10.
When you extend flaps you don't just increase drag you do the flaps primary function, increase lift at low speed.
If the aircraft was in the correct configuration, the glideslope would likely have been maintained due to the additional lift generated by flaps 20. However, instead of this, the pilot noticed he was going too fast and slowed with flaps 10. less lift, same speed, same pitch resulted in a greater sink rate and hey ho, the 747 did forestry work.
The captain didn't get a response and ignored that. It's on both of them.
A flight years ago 3 in the cockpit one bulb of 3 out. 12 dollars angry capt. Sends FO down into dark hellhole to inspect for gear down configuration.no light. Nobody flying the plane. He hit the yoke with his elbow, auto pilot goes off & nobody notices quiet slow descent. Plane crashed gear down. Wrong focus.
@@Komrade_juice They do some approaches in a stair step fashion. Flaps 10 20 25 30. They skipped a step and ruined the continuity. A plane that large cannot respond as rapidly as a sport plane glider. Now things should be a bit better with CRM and thorough education on the subject. Thank you for making us aware of how the tree clipper got its name.
Thank you for including incidents where it’s not all death. Gives me hope I can fly one day. I have severe phobia.
These mistakes are rare. You can fly with your eyes closed & wake up there. I see some people fall asleep before takeoff. I'm a window watcher and fly often. I find it exhilarating fun. I dont particularly love rollercoasters though even though they are on the ground somewhat. I flew to Las Vegas and got on one upside down ride. It was scary because I had never tried it before. Ill go again. But no plane ever felt like that plus you are inside in a plane. Try a short flight first to test the waters flutters. If you don't like it do not go back. My first trip was over water to Bermuda in 1973. Then whenever I could get off work. To puerto Rico then California Minneapolis Texas for military training on guess what? Planes F104 AD10 F15. Then cargo C141. With C130 next door in 1980. Then flight classes in Cessna 150. Then back to Las Vegas Hawaii & Florida & home to NY USA. Start local. Then expand. You'll see a lot of what you've been missing. Its fun. I never flew as a kid. I was 20. Now 69. Only watched planes land at JFK at 6 years of age.
I actually laughed out loud when you got to the part about the plantation owner having to fill out an insurance claim!
Reminds me of some friends from Providence RI who had a circus elephant leave a parade and sit on their Volkswagen Beetle and crushed the front of it completely.
Most likely he didn't have to, the airline probably gave him up front whatever he asked for in order to avoid a much more expansive lawsuit (not only in terms of actual value, but also the associated PR headaches).
@@billolsen4360 Did their Volkswagen have elephant coverage on their insurance policy? 🤔
@@daviddunsmore103 nooooo, they weren't with Farmers.
Kind of a juvenile joke. Vladimir may be right. I don't think it would have been a strange insurance claim at all, considering that the plantation was on the approach path to a major airport.
Would love to see the Nairobi one too
Great work as ususal. You are improving with every upload 👍
I think it was a Comet that touched down in the Nairobi Game Park 9 miles short of the runway. Pressure setting (QFE) issue (NBO 5,350 feet elevation).
That picture at the begining looks like a proud mother jet watching her baby jet go off on his first day as a passenger plane and now I can't stop squeeing internally.
Lmaooo
In late June of 1988 or 1989 the was a near miss at heathrow. A 747 from Chicago almost hit a 757 that was already on the runway. It made the evening news that night.
Could you do a segment on it? My father was on the 747 which is how I know about it. Please let me know if you do a piece about it.
Great presentation and very interesting. This happened 45 years ago when CRM training was not as developed as it is today. By today`s standards, you can call it total break down in crew coordination and teamwork. Also lack of closed loop communication. Seen smilar many times, but only from backseat in the sim.
Kind of astonishing. I do sailing and there you have clear commands because otherwise you might get hit by the boom and go overboard.
@@V100-e5q Jibe....Oh !!! Interesting CRM arose from a David Beaty writing about accidents in 1969 - and he was in BOAC ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management also notes CRM developed and was adopted by NTSB and NASA especially after the disastrous Tenerife accident in 1977. We all make minor mistakes, but if they aren't picked up on an aeroplane they can become disastrous - or chop down a few trees if you spool up in time.
As a passenger you can feel the flaps lower, how the captain, who was flying the approach, couldn’t sense he had no flaps extended is beyond me.
Probably so focused on other aspects his mind was shut off to that and because there were some flaps after the initial change in noise and aerodynamics he probably didn’t notice any more change equally if it was him flying he would feel the pitch change but possibly not if the plane is still on auto pilot
"It probably made the pilot's blood run cold" dude it made MY blood run cold and I'm just sitting here at my desk in sweatpants eating lo mein, holey moley
Now I want lo mein 😭
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I have leftovers from last night. I tried a place I've never been to before, and it turns out that instead of onions they use... fennel???? I've never even heard of such a thing before, but it was VERY NICE! Good luck in your lunch search :)
I was gonna say some stuff until I realised you said fennel and not fennel seeds
@@Tuere816 yeah, I opened the container and was like, good god, what's with these MONSTER slices of onion, and... I was pleasantly surprised!
It was called BOAC. British Overseas Airline Company. It may have been Corporation, but it certainly wasn't Division.
The Knights of Ni were somewhat disappointed with their Amazon-air-drop shrubbery . . .
It's a shrubbery
@@nongdarko
"Ahhh! 'E said it again!"
Hahaha - nice one! And they didn´t even get a path!
Actually they received 4 paths between the shrubbery…. They cut down the mightiest rubber tree in the Forrest with a 747
Aaahh Herring!!!
I liked your reenactment of the pilot scanning for runway lights with no luck, it was a really subtle but effective little bit!
I love the graphics starting at around 0:38 with the sun light appearing to shine through the cabin and on through the windows on the other side. Looks very realistic.
Nairobi one please. Great work on this as always!
Always happy to see an upload from you
Yes, could we have a video on the Nairobi near miss please?
That just goes to show you how large a 747 is... They took out so many trees but the pilots didn't feel a thing!
On the first photo, that VC10 (at least I think it is) looks like some corporate jet compared to the 747 behind it.
@@senilyDeluxe It's a BAC One-Eleven. It's quite a small aircraft.
That would be a good ad... the plane is such a smooth ride that you can brush trees and not know it. Come on down.
Nice video, thanks! Just to let you know it’s BOAC (not D) - meaning ‘British Overseas Airways Corporation’. They merged with BEA ‘British European Airways’ to form present day British Airways in 1974.
By 1976 the airline was British Airways however they were still operating as separate airlines using the pre merger operating certificates. One of the first areas to be merged was the total purchasing function in an effort to get benefits of larger buys. It was many years before there was total integration.
You clearly didn't pay attention to the video
British Airways was in use when we flew to Melbourne in May 1973
@@ianoswald1605 Thanks, but then I’m not too bothered about operating licences - you’re talking about legalities. We all know airline mergers are complex and take time. Anyway as far as the consumer and what would’ve been on the news is that BOAC and BEA merged to form British Airways in 1974.
@@Wenlocktvdx Maybe that was a precursor to officially becoming BA. As we know, aircraft repaints can take a number of years. Eg AA and USAir, United and Continental. www.britishairways.com/100/story/heritage-liveries
I've seen the aftermath of several planes that have done forestry work, but it often resulted in fire and funerals.
yeah the end result of airplanes doing tree-trimming gigs is usually deadly. was not in this case , happily
Marvellous work sir!!
AND a happy ending!!!
Hopefully that dude with the trees had Farmers Insurance because they’ve seen almost everything.
Dum-da-dum-da-dum-dum-dum!
Seriously, you are a natural at this. Almost every video is very well presented, interesting and entertaining.
The best computer generated video I have seen to date. Narration is easy to understand and well spoken.
I have one comment: you spoke of the near miss at Nairobi. In point of fact, it was a near collision.
I expect they were compensated with a rubber cheque 🥳🥳
Well, they were flying a 'Boing' after all! (Joke stolen from another poster somewhere above and cannabilsed/ruined to suit my own janky joke!)
and I bet the cheque bounced too! :-D
Sadly, In developing countries, farmers don't necessarily insure their crop unless the government has raised awareness about such things. In most cases, the government comes to the the aid.
Is the airline the party liable? They (their pilot) did the damage.
Great video! I'd love to see the Nairobi video. Keep up the good work :)
These videos are fantastic. It's clear you work really hard on them.
The thing about getting distracted is that it's nearly impossible to tell that you're distracted until something proves dangerous. Sometimes it's just a near miss and you can bring yourself back to focus but sometimes the very first indication that you're distracted is the end of your life.
that is why i would never be a pilot. I get distracted too easy
Right. How many times did planes go down without the pilots knowing what happened or how? Tail fell off wing sheared off too close to ground before knowing it. Sudden drop.
Great job once again!
Beautiful visuals !!!
Hello from Nairobi Kenya! Love your videos, so informative and entertaining!... please do the Nairobi Near miss, i'd love to see that!
Absolutely loving your content sir. Great documentaries and the CGI video really adds to it. Nice work.
Amazing story. Loving your channel! So many incidents I'm just learning about. 👏
Lol I like watching ur vids before i go too sleep cause you have a very awesome story telling voice lmao
Thank you as always for another great video sir! You really create some great quality content.
Excellent video. Seeing the BOAC livery brings memories back.
I was not aware that BOAC took care of international routes... Awesome video ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you!
Not BOAC - BAOD. BOAC was British Overseas Airways Corporation and was merged with BEA in 1971 to form British Airways.
Montego Bay
@@slobberybog I worked for the newly formed BA. For a couple of years, during consolidation, the company was divided into the European and Overseas Divisions. I worked for ED but on night shifts, would eat in the OD canteen not far from the Concorde Maintenance hanger. Great times.
@@martinc199 TBJ/TBK? Best canteen!
Never even heard of this, thanks for posting!
Very nice video. Like more of these. Thanks.
Perhaps one day you'll find the incident in Boston between 2007 and 2012 when another British Airways 747 had to realign its trajectory towards Logan International Airport from aiming at a tower in the communities of Everett and Chelsea.
I'm a simple man, I see MACI post, I grab popcorn and watch
Fantastic Video. Thank you for sharing with us all. 🙏
Made in America! Your doing a good job,Thanks.
This channel is great
Before buying tickets passengers should be able to see pilot’s records. In this case the captain just received a ‘marginal’ rating for this plane. Passengers risking their lives should know what kind of danger they’re facing before boarding a plane. That, or they should get huge airfare discounts if a pilot just crashed 3 planes.
One of our C-130's had a bird strike like this. Unfortunately, the bird was sitting in a tree when it happened.
Funny!!! 😁
From a 130 guy!!
@@kolasom Hey - it happened.
@@rickbanet4830 Had a C-141 coming in to RAF Mildenhall in England. They called in an hour out: "Alpha-3 (broke) for deer strike"
Huh? Bird strike??
Nope. Deer strike. Was Santa now missing Rudolph? These morons hit a deer on takeoff from Ft Campbell, Kentucky, and then flew across the Atlantic Ocean. The right wheelwell was destroyed.
@@kolasom LOL - Now that there, that's funny.
@@rickbanet4830 The aircrew was grounded. There's no way in hell they should've continued on, knowing they had hit a deer on takeoff. It took us 3 days to repair all the damage to that wheelwell. When it landed there was cooked meat in the brake pads, guts everywhere, and a frozen rack of ribs on the rear wall!! Yummy!!
Can't believe I hadn't heard of this one before. Another great video as always.
I love those videos. And I find it uncanny that the render at 0:19 looks so real. I wasn't paying so much attention and thought it was a real photo at first.
MACI, you get better with every new video investigation. Excellent explanation!
What a Great Report and Video,,, Spectacular,,,, Job Well Done,,,
Estate owners sign in the tree tops: Please call this number when you land.
Lucky escape!👏
This happened in 1976. CRM was not practiced as it is now. Today, communication between cockpit crew is much better. Good thing aircraft was a 747, built tough, and almost idiot proof. I used to work for Boeing in Everett where 747 is built. Been all through aircraft during different phases of construction. Amazing plane.
On commercial aircraft, the turbofan engines are very resistant. They are designed to withstand foreign object damage (FOD) and continue to run to achieve optimum performance. Back in the early 90s, as a mechanic, I was called out to inspect an engine on a US Air 737-300 regarding a bird strike.
It did quite a bit of damage to the C-1 fan section and the core compressor. The pilot was there also telling me during take off , he had injested a large bird and noticed his number 2 engine parameters all went down and came back to up to normal operating parameters. He told me that he wanted to continue on but thought the best of it and return to the airport. I couldn't believe it as I looked at the heavily damaged engine. My hats off to the pilots.
He would not have made it far. He's lucky you discouraged him from continuing to fly then. They showed us a damaged engine on the base after a bird strike. Bones & blood all over and bent compressor blades. Strikes are no joke.
Im doing my very first 747 flight in 3 wks- so excited to ride this majestic monster!
Congratulations on over 100.000 subscribers
Awesome video, I’d love to see a video about the near miss in Nairobi!😸
The MINI-ACI registration is such a nice detail
Montego Bay is a song that mentions boac
So does “Back in the USSR”.
I swear every time there's a video about a British carrier it magically ends up relatively intact after a notable incident or crash
I know Right? Such a quirky but lucky airline with great pilots.
*Flying through volcanic ash & quad engine failure.
*Cockpit window blowing off and sucking the pilot out.
*Plane engulfed in flames before take off.
*Hitting tree tops with the engine.
*Double engine failure right before landing at Heathrow.
Sadly, they had their fair share of deadly disasters during the BOAC/BEA days:
BOAC 911 (destroyed by turbulent air)
BOAC 781 (inflight break up)
BEA 548 (pilot error)
BA ( strictly ) have only had one fatal accident iirc - the Zagreb midair which I don't think they could have prevented. The Mancheter 737 fire was with a subsidiary ( hence "strictly" ). A remarkably lucky record when there have been a number of crazy near misses...
So was the plane in line to the runway but too low? Is that why the pilot couldn't see the runway so he pulled away?
Yes, over corrected due to previous errors by the Commander and co-pilot
British Airways didn't actually exist as we know before 1974. It was formed when 2 separate airlines were merged by the government to form BA. BOAC (British Overseas Airlines) and BEA (British European Airlines) Until 1974 both airlines were government owned but operated as separate entities. The airline was formed about 100 years ago but as British Airways has only existed since April 1974 as government owned and since 1987 as a private company.
Also a stunning testament to the strength of the 747
Excellent, look forward to your next tale of aviation mishaps !
Yes I would like to see a vidio of the near miss at Nairobi, and I really like watching your channel as it's so informative.
I’m amazed that after hitting the tress, the B747 still flew to land. Kudos!
Excellent video as always!
Thanks for the story! As I know Asia, it was not customary for anyone to have any insurances in 1976.. so yes poor guy. The guy in Washington State who lost his almost new car to a flying lump of dead whale was however insured.
Actually it was Florence oregon. It's amazing no one was hurt in that. Maybe he could do a mini disaster video on that. It does involve a flying whale right?
@@lightningdemolition1964True, I remembered it wrong ... yes the Whale that Crashed would be great to have!
GREAT JOB...WELL DONE!
British Airways was formed from BOAC, BEA and two regional airlines in 1974. BOAD was a fairly short-lived, transitional structure of BA's operations
I should add this accident occurred in 1976, the graphics in this video gives the impression it could be much more recent!
Another vid upload yessss!
Excellent. Perhaps it's just me but the voice narration has improved greatly from previous videos..far less artificial and more natural inflections. Great job on the analysis . Congrats for an extremely informative production.
Reminds me of a story my dad told me & mom many years ago. He was an airframe tech at CFB Cold Lake decades ago, just a few years before retirement (at 45). One day they thought they'd lost a jet and its pilot into the bulrushes outside the base. But the pilot pulled it out of the bulrushes (cattails), landed, walked white-faced, without a word, past the guys on the tarmac.
I flew for BA for 30 years and this was a story that we heard a lot. Very early on in my career I flew with a guy who was operating this flight. He was sat at doors 5 at the back and said he could see the trees from his jump seat on the approach, he really thought he was going to die.
Fortunately they were rubber trees. They'll bounce right back.
Awesome to be flown around by a marginally competent captain.
Yeah we want a video on Nairobi incident... we'd love that..!!!! #flysafe
The flaps numbers are the angle in degrees. I think most people know degrees right?
In imperial, 20 degrees is 43 3/16 shlobons
Can you do a video on a DC-10 crash?