My dad used to bounce on his seat whenever he wanted to get his car out of a sticky situation. Now I do it too. It never works but at least it feels like I am helping :)
The lack of weight over the rear wheels is definitely a disadvantage, and the longer wheelbase may be as well. It'll be interesting to see other similarly sized trucks in that spot.
@@johnt6673 I agree with driver input. Doesn't matter what speed you set the crawl control at if you're always the same distance away from the obstacle.... you won't get to 5mph on such an incline with only 10ft of room infront of you. Also, lane keeping does work relatively well on the ranger. You just need to turn up the sensitivity on the settings.... something you should do before making your opinion on the vehicle... figure out how to use it.
Its always the case truck VS SUV. An SUV is much better weight balanced front to rear compared to any pickup...unless you add weight to the bed of course.
I wonder if when he locked the Ranger's rear wheels when activating it's version of "crawl control" if it didn't inadvertently mitigate some of it's ability to transfer power only to the wheels with traction. (less hole digging with the rear)
He didn’t use the rangers trail control system correctly. He was still using his foot to control the input when the computer is able to do it just like the Toyota
@@JohnConnor636 I was scare to own American cars because I grew up around Toyotas and Hondas. I made the first leap to American cars and got a lot of hate for it from some of my family members. Now my brothers all have American trucks from F150, Ram Power Wagon, and Gladiator. I still own a few Toyotas but also still have my American car, my 19 Camaro Zl1 1le. I'm not brand loyal so it helps. I'm just waiting for the chip shortage to catch up and truck inventory to pick back up so I can hopefully get a new Power Wagon. I hate paying MSRP and I don't mind waiting.
With your hill/new course, you have the potential to make the best video demonstrating every offroad feature on the 4R that everyone always asks about (atrac vs crawl control vs mts, etc) all with the right terrain to showcase each and of course with slow motion and different angles. Look forward to that day!
Keys have a passive signal where you push it up to the push button with a dead fob battery and it will still detect and start. So, as long as the key can be placed next to the button, which is always a requirement for a physical key, then it will start just as reliably. . You are more likely to snap the physical key than to not get the active or passive fob to fail altogether.
@@ryzen397 questionable about what? This is an extremely mature technology. Tesla spare is a credit card not even a fob. The technology works extremely well and is extremely reliable.
Push button needs a transmitter and receiver and is thus more complex. With more complexity, you get more possibilities for breakage. However, in practice, I think it's reliable enough for people to like it. I definitely started my car with a dead or weak battery more than once with no problem. However, push-button start are also subject to hacking as well as injuries resulting from incorrect usage, which are less likely with a physical key (kept the engine running without realizing etc.). The problem with hacking is that a one time effort by one person to hack a fob can then be used by unskilled people easily. This is unlike picking/forcing the ignition lock, which requires skills. Remote hacking is also a growing concern, which is simply not possible with a physical key.
@@DavidDLee this is completely wrong. All vehicles now have transponder keys so you have a receiver receiving signal from either a fob or through the key itself. So both also have a way of transmitting the signal. . Also, hacking 1 car doesn’t equal hacking all cars, so it’s still extremely difficult to hack into any car. The ecu requires an encrypted signal to start regardless. Unless there is some obvious exploit where someone could use a mass produced device, you’re completely off base and lack an understanding of how electronics work. . A keyed ignition still requires a transponder and receiver, it also adds on the complexity of a lock cylinder and moving parts to start. Many push button start vehicles don’t even need the button to be pressed anymore to start.
Would love to to see a stock JLU, perhaps a sport or Sahara. Often times reviewers test the top of the line vehicles but I am curious to see what a basic off roader would be capable of without all the optional gadgets.
@@JimSpence I'll be keeping my "old school" Gladiator indefinitely. I want NOTHING electric, even if it's likely we'll ALL be FORCED to go EV at some point. -- BR
@@billredding2000 yeah man I hear ya. I’m not dissing- I drive around in a 17 year old V8 F150 FX4… just staying I feel EVs are far superior in almost every way for off-road use. Time will tell.
@@JimSpence They may be, in some ways -- but not others. Each has its Pros & Cons trade-offs (as do most things in life). One you-tube channel tested a Wrangler 4xe on the trail, runnig it in all electric mode -- it was able to go 3.6 miles (IIRC) before the battery "expired." Can't wait to see lots of charging-stations on all the trails/mountain passes we have here (in Colorado) and famous trails like the Rubicon Trail. And out in the West Texas desert where people off-road regularly. Just kidding... -- BR
Love your reviews, filming and editing. Something that would be nice to have you comment on that came to mind when testing a pick-up truck, when testing "any" SUV or even pic-up truck, when many of use use these off-road, we often have the back and roof with gear. This increases the weight that affects when on the trail. So when testing it might be good to let people know especially when up steep dirt roads or trails that the vehicle will respond differently unloaded versus with passengers and equipment. Just a thought to mention. Great show. Thank you.
Just bought a '21 Ranger Lariat Tremor and loving it. I find the on road qualities more that adequate for me. The power, to me, is fantastic. Very v6 like and once that turbo spools, it really gets moving. I LOVE the keyless ignition and entry. It was a lightly used truck and whoever had it before me but Firestone Destination AT/2 tires on it. At first I was like, EH, but after a week with them, I'm liking them. No road noise at all. Haven't had it off road yet. My single biggest complaint so far is the start/stop system. I pull into a parking spot and the ASS turns off the engine, and it restarts when I move to park. Otherwise, I'm loving it. I did not love the TRD Pro I test drove. Not at all. I also like the Lariat gauge cluster. I can get what i want including a tach, engine temp, and fuel level on one screen. Hitting the + button on the shifter in normal mode will show you the gear display. I like that.
@@tracy2928 that's about what I exptected. I went looking yesterday and the Honda place has a black edition, already tinted, ridgeline with many bells and whistles for 46k. I tried finding a nice tacoma but the Toyota place only had 2 base models.
You can make a fully optioned out XL & still get all the electronics & push button start but with vinyl flooring & the fx4 package then just buy a Fox or Icon suspension setup for less than this tremor package & have a more capable truck. These Rangers are highly underrated though & a great truck!
Great reviews and tests. Interesting comparison of crawl modes with the 4 Runner. I would like to see other pickup trucks in the same course and conditions!
LED headlites come standard on Lariat version of ALL Rangers. The stock Halogens on my '19 Ranger XLT FX4 are extremely bright & accurate as are fog lights.
The crawl control demo was amazing, it was just bizarre how well it did, pleeeeease toyota never ever ever turn the 4runner into a glorified highlander or something like that Also loving the new course, huge step up for the channel and seeing dedicated offroaders struggle is always a good sign, keep it up man!
Pretty sure the back also has Fox Shocks since this is the same system Ford offers for regular rangers, how ever this one is specifically tuned for the tremor.
Ex Locksmith here: I prefer key starts because the key/transponder is much less expensive to duplicate OEM (not to mention aftermarket keys) than a proximity fob. While the lock cylinder or transponder coil may fail, I've had so many issues with early Nissan group vehicles with one of the 12 ish receivers in the car failing preventing it from starting. Don't hang a load of weight off of your car key or open packages with it and they will last forever.
Tremor owner, good video, awesome course. Looking forward to trucks hitting that course. Science wise, I'm curious how much of that was a tire or tire pressure issue? 39psi factory is a bit high. I'm usually in the 20-26psi range for something like that.
Also curious how my lifted '16 Honda Pilot AWD would have done lol pretty sure it has better AWD electronics but no rear locker. Nitto Ridge Grapplers.
Yea neat test in all but not really realistic. Ask anyone who's driven on sand , tire pressure is the single most important element. In real life the driver would be at 20psi or lower and most likely would have cruised up
Normally, I'm not a fan of any drive mode on any 'proper' off road vehicle just because 95% of them are useless marketing gimmicks, but I gotta say; I've actually been pretty impressed with Toyota's sand mode (in the Tacoma - not sure if it's in the 4-Runner, but I would assume so), and the 4-Runner's crawl mode.
Perhaps you went in the wrong direction on the Ford wrt speed using Trail Control? You started at the 2 mph setting which had the Ford traveling visibly faster than the 4 runner was traveling with crawl control set to level 2. Then when the Ford tires broke loose you backed off and increased the speed setting. Had you instead dropped the Ford's speed to 1 mph or even 0.5 mph to help avoid breaking traction then it might have worked out better?
That is explained in great detail in the video. It’s not being used to compare against the Ford but to check the difficulty of the hill. That does end up telling something about the Ford, but it’s not about the 4Runner.
@@drivingsports I like the video reference points. I'd love to see even more of them. So many off road reviews I've seen, the vehicle looks pretty successful, but the presenter will say, "Oh this one really struggled" and as viewers we're basically like, "huh, okay, look like it got up fine to me, but I guess...we'll take your word for it?" But if we get a back to back shot of another vehicle say climbing the same stretch, and see how much easier it does the same obstacle, it makes the point really clear. Obviously, road/atmosphere conditions change, but as many of these "side by side" video demonstrations within a similar time frame I would love to see! PS The difference in off road capability, on that one stretch, between the Ranger and the 4Runner was BONKERS.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze That is one aspect we're really excited about, that is so much harder to replicate on public roads (which change faster than privately-maintained ones.)
It's clearly done to be a slight to the Ranger. If you've watched any of the other comparison videos against the Tacoma, or the Chevy/GMC twins the Ranger holds its own.
9:05 to me this is one of the most important things to have in an off-road vehicle. You need to be able to control the back wheels if your sliding down a hill
If you are out in the middle of nowhere at 2 am and the battery dies on your key fob on your push button only vehicle, then you'll wish you had a regular key! My wife's car has push button start but I just prefer a regular key. Seems like the Toyota crawl control works better than the Fords.
I wonder if he had lower air pressure on the 4runner’s tires? That would make a lot of difference in soft terrain. I think starting trail control at 4 miles per hour is just asking for the Tremor’s tires to break traction vs a slower tire rotation he used on the 4runner. Of Course the the truck has a disadvantage without as much weight over the rear tires vs an suv. Just some observations. Either way it was a good test!
Some of your comments make me believe you don't understand how limited slip works and that you still get it in 4 wheel drive. You don't get binding when in 4 wheel drive. You get it with locked differentials. And that does not happen in 4 wheel drive, you have to actually choose that after you are in 4 wheel drive. The reason you drive in 2 wheel drive on streets as normal isn't because of "binding" but because it is better on gas due to not having to "drive" the front wheels, they rotate freely. And your comment about not having a front camera is something any vehicle that says it is trail ready should have.... um.... no vehicles had then until pretty recently. LOL I understand, and love them, but.... that is not a feature that is a requirement for "off road ready" vehicles. Hell, I think 360 view cameras should be on all vehicles, and more so "off road" ones, but... again... not a requirement, nor even needed. Overall though, you need to really learn to drive.... all the issues you seemed to have were your fault IMO. People get lazy and expect their vehicle to do everything for them, and don't learn to drive. This video seemed like someone who has never actually driven "off road", don't understand momentum, or any other factor for moving along the trails or off them. And airing down helps.... yeah I get it, you don't air down because the manufacture does not want you to "alter"... air down. It was not a fair test or example of what the truck can do.
Interesting comparison of Crawl control vs. Trail control. Your test really Illustrated the difference. You can see how the Toyota was shifting power around to all four wheels, the Ranger seemed like it was just holding the throttle at a set RPM without trying to modulate it from wheel-to-wheel. I've used the crawl control on my 4Runner a couple times, nothing like this, but on a steep switchback on an icy dirt road, and it was very impressive, because I could feel the power shifting as each individual wheel slipped and then gripped. I was pulling for the Ranger though, I actually really like it. If I were to buy a midsize truck, this would be the front runner.
The electric switch in my Pontiac grand am ignition actually failed on me around 70k miles. The car would start but the accessories wouldn’t get power, so I was driving around without a functioning gauge cluster lol. Sometimes hitting a bump would cause it to come on. It would do the full gauge sweep and then jump to the current values 😂.
i love the fact you left in your errors when filming.. realism.. brilliant.. nice truck but i too cant understand how a mechanical ignition and key wont wear out quicker than a button being pushed
I have one with 2.0 biturbo diesel, and with the torque, the articulation, the drive modes and the 33inch KO2s, that steep turn wouldnt be an issue. I love the Ranger Raptor.
I am excited to see what this truck can do. I think I will be in the market for a Ranger in a few years once the new ones come to America and prove themselves.
Remember...4runner has the addition of HTrac which gives it a edge over what the Ranger doesn't have. Crawl control...it's like a Grand Cherokee mode lol.
A key has been proven time & again to be more reliable actually. If you get Ranger Lariat you get a push button start. Lol Who cares when the off rd ready truck is as good as this new Ranger Tremor! 👍💯
The Ranger's issues on the off road course kind of caught me off guard but then again these videos are more of an evaluation of the vehicle's electronical doo-dads which are designed to " help" you as opposed to actual off road ability. A 4x4 is still a 4x4 and if it can get you there without breaking shit then it's good in my book. Based upon the criteria of the test an old FJ-40 Land Cruiser which as we all know is basically regarded as the off-road GOAT would have failed miserably as well because those had no assistance at all. That said a four wheel drive Ranger purchase is in my future, most likely a FX4 and I feel confident about this decision.
Physical key vs Proximity key; as a mechanic I’m on the fence about that comparison. New cars (2009+) can suffer from starter hang which is you turn to start “ key or button “ and the starter motor won’t stop cranking even after the engine starts and when this happens with Proximity keys it will crank until the battery dies or starter motor burns up and the burnt starter is by far the most common and pushing off on the button start won’t do a damn thing where as the physical key will stop it. By far the most common problem these days is the power lock door actuator failure and it happens to all manufacturers and models but the most famous is 4Runner, Corolla and Camry. Actuator failure with a Proximity key can at times be a big issue even though most have a physical key in them but after years of pocket lint and oils from your skin and greasy grubby hands the cover won’t come off with out prying it off with a small flat screwdriver which I’ve yet to see anyone who walks around with that in their pocket and with a physical key you just use they which will lock and unlock all the doors and most of those people never fix that actuator when they find out how much those actuators cost ( $200-300 per door excluding labor…. Count on $500 per door) that’s a major con for proximity keys because you pretty much have to fix it. Reliability between the two is about the same as far as I’ve personally seen. I love my proximity keys and especially with remote start but I also like the physical key because of it’s secondary split second backup system and money savings over the years. My personal opinion isn’t so popular because it goes like this… if you’re to damn lazy to put a key in the ignition then your problems go far deeper than the key.
You have got to bring a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon up this course, and compare it to the 4runner with it's trail control. That party trick can't be understated! Wow! If you can bring the Bronco up that section with it's trail control, that would also be very interesting to see! I suspect both won't have a lot of luck at it. The 4runner just has a better trail control package which seems to be king in this very loose stuff.
The lighter pickup might have been a disadvantage, but I've seen on here, both FX4's and Tacomas dig themselves out, buried in beach sand using trail control at 1 mph. At the end of the day, do you think the Tremor is a "long term" vehicle, like a Tacoma? Will I still be driving it 20 years?
If you look at actual data the Ranger (along with every single vehicle other than maybe Fiat) are very reliable. The build quality and engineering across the board has come leaps and bounds. My 2010 Taco had rust issues as well as it had to have the entire blower for the heating/AC replaced at 8,000 miles. I doubt that would happen now. Reliability is almost becoming a non issue in new vehicles. My Ranger has 15,000 miles with zero issues.
@@drn13355 I do agree, I just have this stigma in my brain that a Tacoma is the long term "best investment". That said, I'm a Ford guy, and my '07 Ranger with 300 000 miles is working great. And I bet I haven't spent $1500 in repairs. I'm in the market for new, and I want 15+ years out of it.
@@drn13355 I think an overlooked aspect would be that of single components, such as transmission wear, sensors going out, or other such things. We don’t know since they are still so new
Crawl control has been around for years but still no other truck has a better system, yea it makes noise but the new land cruiser with newer crawl control does not make any noise
I think your 90% estimate of people who wouldn't use the aux switches is way high. If you're paying over $4k for the Tremor package, you're more likely to use that function.
don't understand why you keep stopping the truck on these tests. It would seem that you should continue at a slow pace instead of stopping as you would not have had any problem with the last log if just keep moving. Unless it is the purpose to try a get the truck stuck a little.
Poor ranger. Def would like to see the Subarus wilderness outback and forester give it a try even though I have a feeling that section will be an issue too
I'm only 29 and honestly all of this electronic BS in the truck really makes it look more like a Korean sedan than a truck. Not to mention, with a price of $40k, it's just crazy. What happened to the simple, reliable, small 2door truck that will last forever.
My favorite Tires in the world(General Grabbers AT/X).. I use these, all the time.. Not bad looking for a Ford lol But I wholeheartedly agree.. NEEDS updated headlights.. Also an updated interior.
Real world edit: from the beginning, rear seat space is miles better than most midsize trucks. Im short at 5’8 and literally cannot fit appropriately in the rear of a tacoma. The driver position in a Taco is also garbage. Yes, there is a mechanical key. Generally though with the ford connect app, i turn my tremor on with my apple watch. The powertrain is a straight up beauty to drive. No where near as sluggish as the Taco trd pro i was driving. Im averaging 21 mpg tested. I got 375 on an 18 g tank. Not sure how as its tested to 19. The taco was giving me 17 in the city!! 20 on the hwy. in this one use case the suv did better. Crawl control is magic. Still why not compare an empty bed taco. I can almost assure you thered be some rollout before it got going up and over. Also 1,500 lbs additional tow capacity on the tremor. and its over 10k cheaper. Nowadays probably 12-13k. Sorry dude. Biased much.
Most systems I’ve used have a passive signal so when the battery is dead you just put the fob next to the push button and it works. Battery is only needed to keep in your pocket.
I love the look of this truck but no push button and seems pretty generic overall maybe I’m just spoiled in the fact my 22 tundra has all kinds of features
Usually a loud yell of C’MON will get you out of any stuck situation 😂
Man. You forgot to add MAN
My dad used to bounce on his seat whenever he wanted to get his car out of a sticky situation. Now I do it too. It never works but at least it feels like I am helping :)
The lack of weight over the rear wheels is definitely a disadvantage, and the longer wheelbase may be as well. It'll be interesting to see other similarly sized trucks in that spot.
Nah fords version of crawl control just sucks. It’s a gimmick
@@snazari1994 You're just a gimmick.
@@johnt6673 I agree with driver input. Doesn't matter what speed you set the crawl control at if you're always the same distance away from the obstacle.... you won't get to 5mph on such an incline with only 10ft of room infront of you.
Also, lane keeping does work relatively well on the ranger. You just need to turn up the sensitivity on the settings.... something you should do before making your opinion on the vehicle... figure out how to use it.
@@baddriversofcolga haaaap I agree
@@snazari1994 what are you smoking? I want some
I think because the back of the Ford Ranger is lighter than the 4Runner it had a harder time climbing the hill
Its always the case truck VS SUV. An SUV is much better weight balanced front to rear compared to any pickup...unless you add weight to the bed of course.
The crawl control was impressive on the 4 runner.
It's excellent on the Ranger too. In a TFL video, a Ranger was able to climb over an uphill situation that a Gladiator got stuck on
I wonder if when he locked the Ranger's rear wheels when activating it's version of "crawl control" if it didn't inadvertently mitigate some of it's ability to transfer power only to the wheels with traction. (less hole digging with the rear)
He didn’t use the rangers trail control system correctly. He was still using his foot to control the input when the computer is able to do it just like the Toyota
@@jstrig I remember that. I am trying to figure out why the Ford had so much more trouble on this test?
4 runners typically do better than trucks in those situations cause they have that extra weight in the back
I just received my RAV4 Hybrid. 47MPG! Even though I don't need a new car anymore, I enjoy your videos, like ToyotaJeff Reviews
I came here watching the Ranger but now I want a 4runner. 😁
I'm right there with you 😂😂
Better listen to your Hmong dad.
Toyota last forever don't buy America vehicles.
@@warhmonger nah, I actually like American vehicles. I've owned a few and they've been reliable.
@@JohnConnor636 I was scare to own American cars because I grew up around Toyotas and Hondas. I made the first leap to American cars and got a lot of hate for it from some of my family members. Now my brothers all have American trucks from F150, Ram Power Wagon, and Gladiator. I still own a few Toyotas but also still have my American car, my 19 Camaro Zl1 1le. I'm not brand loyal so it helps. I'm just waiting for the chip shortage to catch up and truck inventory to pick back up so I can hopefully get a new Power Wagon. I hate paying MSRP and I don't mind waiting.
@@warhmonger Everything lasts forever if you maintain it..
Would love to see the Outback Wilderness on this course
I am a Subaru owner and fan myself, but it´s probably too much for an Outback or Forester Wilderness.
I’d also like to see this!
Same here.
So what you are saying is ypu want to see it fail the course
@@kohsman313 Sure, if that’s the outcome.
The aux switches are a very nice touch. I'm impressed they avoided the bean counter hatchet.
I THINK ITS YOUR DRIVING NOT THE FAULT OF 4X4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With your hill/new course, you have the potential to make the best video demonstrating every offroad feature on the 4R that everyone always asks about (atrac vs crawl control vs mts, etc) all with the right terrain to showcase each and of course with slow motion and different angles. Look forward to that day!
yes but the push button has to detect the presence of the key, thus making it less reliable than the regular key.
Keys have a passive signal where you push it up to the push button with a dead fob battery and it will still detect and start. So, as long as the key can be placed next to the button, which is always a requirement for a physical key, then it will start just as reliably.
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You are more likely to snap the physical key than to not get the active or passive fob to fail altogether.
@@KTMcaptain Yes but the passive signal is questionable to me.
@@ryzen397 questionable about what? This is an extremely mature technology. Tesla spare is a credit card not even a fob. The technology works extremely well and is extremely reliable.
Push button needs a transmitter and receiver and is thus more complex. With more complexity, you get more possibilities for breakage.
However, in practice, I think it's reliable enough for people to like it. I definitely started my car with a dead or weak battery more than once with no problem.
However, push-button start are also subject to hacking as well as injuries resulting from incorrect usage, which are less likely with a physical key (kept the engine running without realizing etc.).
The problem with hacking is that a one time effort by one person to hack a fob can then be used by unskilled people easily. This is unlike picking/forcing the ignition lock, which requires skills. Remote hacking is also a growing concern, which is simply not possible with a physical key.
@@DavidDLee this is completely wrong. All vehicles now have transponder keys so you have a receiver receiving signal from either a fob or through the key itself. So both also have a way of transmitting the signal.
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Also, hacking 1 car doesn’t equal hacking all cars, so it’s still extremely difficult to hack into any car. The ecu requires an encrypted signal to start regardless. Unless there is some obvious exploit where someone could use a mass produced device, you’re completely off base and lack an understanding of how electronics work.
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A keyed ignition still requires a transponder and receiver, it also adds on the complexity of a lock cylinder and moving parts to start. Many push button start vehicles don’t even need the button to be pressed anymore to start.
Would love to to see a stock JLU, perhaps a sport or Sahara. Often times reviewers test the top of the line vehicles but I am curious to see what a basic off roader would be capable of without all the optional gadgets.
There’s some great things about the Ranger, like the powertrain, especially up here in Colorado. But nothing new compares to the 4Runner. Love my 4R!
Well, I ended-up choosing the Jeep Gladiator (Rubicon) for "up here in Colorado" -- So far, so good. :-)
-- BR
Also in club CO - where they’re testing the Rivian. The EVs will lay all these old school off road machines to rest
@@JimSpence I'll be keeping my "old school" Gladiator indefinitely.
I want NOTHING electric, even if it's likely we'll ALL be FORCED to go EV at some point.
-- BR
@@billredding2000 yeah man I hear ya. I’m not dissing- I drive around in a 17 year old V8 F150 FX4… just staying I feel EVs are far superior in almost every way for off-road use. Time will tell.
@@JimSpence They may be, in some ways -- but not others. Each has its Pros & Cons trade-offs (as do most things in life).
One you-tube channel tested a Wrangler 4xe on the trail, runnig it in all electric mode -- it was able to go 3.6 miles (IIRC) before the battery "expired."
Can't wait to see lots of charging-stations on all the trails/mountain passes we have here (in Colorado) and famous trails like the Rubicon Trail. And out in the West Texas desert where people off-road regularly.
Just kidding...
-- BR
Man i love that you made your own course! best car channel on youtube!
Love your reviews, filming and editing. Something that would be nice to have you comment on that came to mind when testing a pick-up truck, when testing "any" SUV or even pic-up truck, when many of use use these off-road, we often have the back and roof with gear. This increases the weight that affects when on the trail. So when testing it might be good to let people know especially when up steep dirt roads or trails that the vehicle will respond differently unloaded versus with passengers and equipment. Just a thought to mention. Great show. Thank you.
Found your channel and love the “course “ testing. Adds so much more to a review. Plus from the NW.. gotta follow you.
Just bought a '21 Ranger Lariat Tremor and loving it. I find the on road qualities more that adequate for me. The power, to me, is fantastic. Very v6 like and once that turbo spools, it really gets moving. I LOVE the keyless ignition and entry. It was a lightly used truck and whoever had it before me but Firestone Destination AT/2 tires on it. At first I was like, EH, but after a week with them, I'm liking them. No road noise at all. Haven't had it off road yet. My single biggest complaint so far is the start/stop system. I pull into a parking spot and the ASS turns off the engine, and it restarts when I move to park. Otherwise, I'm loving it. I did not love the TRD Pro I test drove. Not at all. I also like the Lariat gauge cluster. I can get what i want including a tach, engine temp, and fuel level on one screen. Hitting the + button on the shifter in normal mode will show you the gear display. I like that.
What was the out the door price?
@@jonathanisenhour7923 45k with extended warranty. More than I wanted, but a deal these days.
@@tracy2928 that's about what I exptected. I went looking yesterday and the Honda place has a black edition, already tinted, ridgeline with many bells and whistles for 46k. I tried finding a nice tacoma but the Toyota place only had 2 base models.
You can turn that auto start stop off with forscan.. and a lot of other cool stuff.
@@DemsRdisguisedredcoats I'm not willing to disable the trucks charging system and have th AGM battery charging full time. Not good for it.
Ready to see all of these in the snow up there. Love your content ladie(s) and gents
The key is a mechanical function. It’s simpler than relying on a frequency signal coming from a key FOB
You can make every video about the 4runner.
You can make a fully optioned out XL & still get all the electronics & push button start but with vinyl flooring & the fx4 package then just buy a Fox or Icon suspension setup for less than this tremor package & have a more capable truck. These Rangers are highly underrated though & a great truck!
Great reviews and tests. Interesting comparison of crawl modes with the 4 Runner. I would like to see other pickup trucks in the same course and conditions!
LED headlites come standard on Lariat version of ALL Rangers. The stock Halogens on my '19 Ranger XLT FX4 are extremely bright & accurate as are fog lights.
Well done on the new course! Excited to see future car reviews on this!
The crawl control demo was amazing, it was just bizarre how well it did, pleeeeease toyota never ever ever turn the 4runner into a glorified highlander or something like that
Also loving the new course, huge step up for the channel and seeing dedicated offroaders struggle is always a good sign, keep it up man!
Yeah that crawl control was an amazing demonstration for the 4Runner. Blew the Tremors capability out of the water rather efficiently and quickly.
I have a 2021 Ranger Tremor and it appears to do has advertised. My issue was just getting my hand on the truck.
Pretty sure the back also has Fox Shocks since this is the same system Ford offers for regular rangers, how ever this one is specifically tuned for the tremor.
Fox Dampers yes, however still Ford leaf springs.
Would love to see a regular Cherokee trailhawk or even a limited on this trail as they are considering the most offroadable vehicles in their class
Ex Locksmith here: I prefer key starts because the key/transponder is much less expensive to duplicate OEM (not to mention aftermarket keys) than a proximity fob. While the lock cylinder or transponder coil may fail, I've had so many issues with early Nissan group vehicles with one of the 12 ish receivers in the car failing preventing it from starting. Don't hang a load of weight off of your car key or open packages with it and they will last forever.
Tremor owner, good video, awesome course. Looking forward to trucks hitting that course. Science wise, I'm curious how much of that was a tire or tire pressure issue? 39psi factory is a bit high. I'm usually in the 20-26psi range for something like that.
Also curious how my lifted '16 Honda Pilot AWD would have done lol pretty sure it has better AWD electronics but no rear locker. Nitto Ridge Grapplers.
Both vehicles were at the same pressure, about 40psi hot.
Yea neat test in all but not really realistic. Ask anyone who's driven on sand , tire pressure is the single most important element. In real life the driver would be at 20psi or lower and most likely would have cruised up
Normally, I'm not a fan of any drive mode on any 'proper' off road vehicle just because 95% of them are useless marketing gimmicks, but I gotta say; I've actually been pretty impressed with Toyota's sand mode (in the Tacoma - not sure if it's in the 4-Runner, but I would assume so), and the 4-Runner's crawl mode.
The ranger is tight asf. I got a 96 but the bronco is my move man.
Perhaps you went in the wrong direction on the Ford wrt speed using Trail Control? You started at the 2 mph setting which had the Ford traveling visibly faster than the 4 runner was traveling with crawl control set to level 2. Then when the Ford tires broke loose you backed off and increased the speed setting. Had you instead dropped the Ford's speed to 1 mph or even 0.5 mph to help avoid breaking traction then it might have worked out better?
Great test. Hopefully you will be able to test both versions of the ZR2's soon on your new course
HOW EVER I ENJOYED YOUR VID. UP TO THE POINT OF YOU DRIVING . THANKS FOR YOUR VEIWS ON THE TRUCK. IT REALLY HELPED !
Why in the H#%l is everyone comparing the Ranger to a 4Runner? One is an SUV and one is a truck...
That is explained in great detail in the video. It’s not being used to compare against the Ford but to check the difficulty of the hill. That does end up telling something about the Ford, but it’s not about the 4Runner.
@@drivingsports I like the video reference points. I'd love to see even more of them. So many off road reviews I've seen, the vehicle looks pretty successful, but the presenter will say, "Oh this one really struggled" and as viewers we're basically like, "huh, okay, look like it got up fine to me, but I guess...we'll take your word for it?" But if we get a back to back shot of another vehicle say climbing the same stretch, and see how much easier it does the same obstacle, it makes the point really clear. Obviously, road/atmosphere conditions change, but as many of these "side by side" video demonstrations within a similar time frame I would love to see! PS The difference in off road capability, on that one stretch, between the Ranger and the 4Runner was BONKERS.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze That is one aspect we're really excited about, that is so much harder to replicate on public roads (which change faster than privately-maintained ones.)
It's clearly done to be a slight to the Ranger. If you've watched any of the other comparison videos against the Tacoma, or the Chevy/GMC twins the Ranger holds its own.
I can’t wait to watch a Subaru Wilderness package negotiate this course!
I’m sue it will because this channel is an extension of Subaru’s marketing department.
9:05 to me this is one of the most important things to have in an off-road vehicle. You need to be able to control the back wheels if your sliding down a hill
If you are out in the middle of nowhere at 2 am and the battery dies on your key fob on your push button only vehicle, then you'll wish you had a regular key! My wife's car has push button start but I just prefer a regular key.
Seems like the Toyota crawl control works better than the Fords.
Nice to see an open engine compartment.. no stupid plastic covers!
This is a really good test. Id like to see more!
Please keep the last portion of the trail (if possible, make it even harder) to separate wheat from the chaff.
Halogen headlights on any vehicle these days in unacceptable! Especially a new F-150. The price of these vehicles demands better headlights.
The 4Runner has Halogen. Just in a projector. 😂
I wonder if he had lower air pressure on the 4runner’s tires? That would make a lot of difference in soft terrain. I think starting trail control at 4 miles per hour is just asking for the Tremor’s tires to break traction vs a slower tire rotation he used on the 4runner. Of Course the the truck has a disadvantage without as much weight over the rear tires vs an suv. Just some observations. Either way it was a good test!
Both were set to street PSI
Great work as usual My friend. With that being said, anyone that spends $43k on a Ranger should spend some time in a padded Room.
I hope you say that about every midsized truck in that price range.
Dude it's not 2001 anymore, this is a standard mid sized truck price these days
Vehicles aren't getting cheaper in case you havent noticed..
the avg price for a new vehicle is 40K now. That Ranger is an old design and a whole new truck is coming.
I hear what everyone is saying but gimme an F150 with a 5.0 at that price.
Did you use the gravel setting? This usually makes the ranger go through stuff like this...
Some of your comments make me believe you don't understand how limited slip works and that you still get it in 4 wheel drive. You don't get binding when in 4 wheel drive. You get it with locked differentials. And that does not happen in 4 wheel drive, you have to actually choose that after you are in 4 wheel drive. The reason you drive in 2 wheel drive on streets as normal isn't because of "binding" but because it is better on gas due to not having to "drive" the front wheels, they rotate freely. And your comment about not having a front camera is something any vehicle that says it is trail ready should have.... um.... no vehicles had then until pretty recently. LOL I understand, and love them, but.... that is not a feature that is a requirement for "off road ready" vehicles. Hell, I think 360 view cameras should be on all vehicles, and more so "off road" ones, but... again... not a requirement, nor even needed. Overall though, you need to really learn to drive.... all the issues you seemed to have were your fault IMO. People get lazy and expect their vehicle to do everything for them, and don't learn to drive. This video seemed like someone who has never actually driven "off road", don't understand momentum, or any other factor for moving along the trails or off them. And airing down helps.... yeah I get it, you don't air down because the manufacture does not want you to "alter"... air down. It was not a fair test or example of what the truck can do.
20:12 That is precisely why I think a manual transfer case lever will always be superior.
Interesting comparison of Crawl control vs. Trail control. Your test really Illustrated the difference. You can see how the Toyota was shifting power around to all four wheels, the Ranger seemed like it was just holding the throttle at a set RPM without trying to modulate it from wheel-to-wheel.
I've used the crawl control on my 4Runner a couple times, nothing like this, but on a steep switchback on an icy dirt road, and it was very impressive, because I could feel the power shifting as each individual wheel slipped and then gripped.
I was pulling for the Ranger though, I actually really like it. If I were to buy a midsize truck, this would be the front runner.
Crawl only modulates brakes on the front wheels with the axle locker engaged.
Wow the 4Runner is awesome.. was considering a ranger ..not anymore thank u for this
The electric switch in my Pontiac grand am ignition actually failed on me around 70k miles. The car would start but the accessories wouldn’t get power, so I was driving around without a functioning gauge cluster lol. Sometimes hitting a bump would cause it to come on. It would do the full gauge sweep and then jump to the current values 😂.
Hoping to see your opinion of the new Frontier in the near future!
6:13 Not in the Maverick
22:40 To make matters worse, it's the Pentastar Overland
Looking forward to see your Frontier review
The Maverick is also substantially cheaper. You can get the turbo and for less than $30k with the FX4 package so similar to the Tremor
Would love to loan you my outback wilderness to test it on this track
i love the fact you left in your errors when filming.. realism.. brilliant.. nice truck but i too cant understand how a mechanical ignition and key wont wear out quicker than a button being pushed
Still waiting on that Raptor Ranger!
I have one with 2.0 biturbo diesel, and with the torque, the articulation, the drive modes and the 33inch KO2s, that steep turn wouldnt be an issue. I love the Ranger Raptor.
@@kadimsilahtar lol, sure just rub it in for us in North America w/o the Ranger Raptor. We'll never see the diesel in any event.
I am excited to see what this truck can do. I think I will be in the market for a Ranger in a few years once the new ones come to America and prove themselves.
Remember...4runner has the addition of HTrac which gives it a edge over what the Ranger doesn't have.
Crawl control...it's like a Grand Cherokee mode lol.
A key has been proven time & again to be more reliable actually. If you get Ranger Lariat you get a push button start. Lol Who cares when the off rd ready truck is as good as this new Ranger Tremor! 👍💯
We love to see surprise 4Runner content lol
The Ford Raptor and Thunder are wow for me
4 Runner for the win!
Please do a review on the 2022 Frontier PRO-4X
Cool truck, now Ford may we have the Ranger Raptor please.
The Ranger's issues on the off road course kind of caught me off guard but then again these videos are more of an evaluation of the vehicle's electronical doo-dads which are designed to " help" you as opposed to actual off road ability. A 4x4 is still a 4x4 and if it can get you there without breaking shit then it's good in my book. Based upon the criteria of the test an old FJ-40 Land Cruiser which as we all know is basically regarded as the off-road GOAT would have failed miserably as well because those had no assistance at all. That said a four wheel drive Ranger purchase is in my future, most likely a FX4 and I feel confident about this decision.
I’m surprised the truck was not fitted with more tech features considering it’s a “special edition” It does look nice though.
I wish they put the little v6 eco boost like the bronco just for extra power
Physical key vs Proximity key; as a mechanic I’m on the fence about that comparison. New cars (2009+) can suffer from starter hang which is you turn to start “ key or button “ and the starter motor won’t stop cranking even after the engine starts and when this happens with Proximity keys it will crank until the battery dies or starter motor burns up and the burnt starter is by far the most common and pushing off on the button start won’t do a damn thing where as the physical key will stop it. By far the most common problem these days is the power lock door actuator failure and it happens to all manufacturers and models but the most famous is 4Runner, Corolla and Camry. Actuator failure with a Proximity key can at times be a big issue even though most have a physical key in them but after years of pocket lint and oils from your skin and greasy grubby hands the cover won’t come off with out prying it off with a small flat screwdriver which I’ve yet to see anyone who walks around with that in their pocket and with a physical key you just use they which will lock and unlock all the doors and most of those people never fix that actuator when they find out how much those actuators cost ( $200-300 per door excluding labor…. Count on $500 per door) that’s a major con for proximity keys because you pretty much have to fix it.
Reliability between the two is about the same as far as I’ve personally seen.
I love my proximity keys and especially with remote start but I also like the physical key because of it’s secondary split second backup system and money savings over the years. My personal opinion isn’t so popular because it goes like this… if you’re to damn lazy to put a key in the ignition then your problems go far deeper than the key.
You have got to bring a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon up this course, and compare it to the 4runner with it's trail control. That party trick can't be understated! Wow! If you can bring the Bronco up that section with it's trail control, that would also be very interesting to see! I suspect both won't have a lot of luck at it. The 4runner just has a better trail control package which seems to be king in this very loose stuff.
You should work for toyota. Personally 4x4 functions on the ceiling is not ideal
Came for the Ranger, stayed for the 4Runner.
Big and true
Appreciate all the hard work
The moment I’ve been waiting for!!
The lighter pickup might have been a disadvantage, but I've seen on here, both FX4's and Tacomas dig themselves out, buried in beach sand using trail control at 1 mph.
At the end of the day, do you think the Tremor is a "long term" vehicle, like a Tacoma? Will I still be driving it 20 years?
If you look at actual data the Ranger (along with every single vehicle other than maybe Fiat) are very reliable. The build quality and engineering across the board has come leaps and bounds. My 2010 Taco had rust issues as well as it had to have the entire blower for the heating/AC replaced at 8,000 miles. I doubt that would happen now. Reliability is almost becoming a non issue in new vehicles. My Ranger has 15,000 miles with zero issues.
@@drn13355 I do agree, I just have this stigma in my brain that a Tacoma is the long term "best investment".
That said, I'm a Ford guy, and my '07 Ranger with 300 000 miles is working great. And I bet I haven't spent $1500 in repairs. I'm in the market for new, and I want 15+ years out of it.
@@drn13355 I think an overlooked aspect would be that of single components, such as transmission wear, sensors going out, or other such things. We don’t know since they are still so new
Crawl control has been around for years but still no other truck has a better system, yea it makes noise but the new land cruiser with newer crawl control does not make any noise
I think your 90% estimate of people who wouldn't use the aux switches is way high. If you're paying over $4k for the Tremor package, you're more likely to use that function.
don't understand why you keep stopping the truck on these tests. It would seem that you should continue at a slow pace instead of stopping as you would not have had any problem with the last log if just keep moving. Unless it is the purpose to try a get the truck stuck a little.
Poor ranger. Def would like to see the Subarus wilderness outback and forester give it a try even though I have a feeling that section will be an issue too
Less weight is always an advantage though
I'm only 29 and honestly all of this electronic BS in the truck really makes it look more like a Korean sedan than a truck. Not to mention, with a price of $40k, it's just crazy. What happened to the simple, reliable, small 2door truck that will last forever.
My favorite Tires in the world(General Grabbers AT/X).. I use these, all the time.. Not bad looking for a Ford lol But I wholeheartedly agree.. NEEDS updated headlights.. Also an updated interior.
I'm no stranger...That's a FORD F-KING RANGER!
lariat has the push button start!
Real world edit: from the beginning, rear seat space is miles better than most midsize trucks. Im short at 5’8 and literally cannot fit appropriately in the rear of a tacoma. The driver position in a Taco is also garbage. Yes, there is a mechanical key. Generally though with the ford connect app, i turn my tremor on with my apple watch. The powertrain is a straight up beauty to drive. No where near as sluggish as the Taco trd pro i was driving. Im averaging 21 mpg tested. I got 375 on an 18 g tank. Not sure how as its tested to 19. The taco was giving me 17 in the city!! 20 on the hwy. in this one use case the suv did better. Crawl control is magic. Still why not compare an empty bed taco. I can almost assure you thered be some rollout before it got going up and over. Also 1,500 lbs additional tow capacity on the tremor. and its over 10k cheaper. Nowadays probably 12-13k. Sorry dude. Biased much.
That dash and steering wheel remind me of my 13 Flex Limited I recently traded.Same manual override as well.
Amazing videos, keep them going. When can you review f150 tremor on your course, please?
Still waiting for Ford to send us one. And waiting. And waiting.
I knew when I saw the 4Runner poke its nose around the corner it was about to show out a little bit!
@Driving Sports TV -Watch any video on how easy it is to steal a vehicle with push button start and key less entry.
On the push-button starting: no for FOB failure or dead FOB batteries. Many will remove the push-button for that reason.
Most systems I’ve used have a passive signal so when the battery is dead you just put the fob next to the push button and it works. Battery is only needed to keep in your pocket.
@@KTMcaptain LOL, you've memorized that sentence by now huh
@@IamGroot786 for sure!
Not sure if the terrain mode, the manual configuration 4L with rear lock, and the trail control was properly set.
A key doesn't require a battery.. key fob with push button does (coin cell in the fob). Is this the reliability that is being questioned?
maybe the back of truck is too light for enough tractioin
Might be. It is surprising how a single car door and glass weighs. Not to mention the additional metal sheets the 4runner has
I subscribed... I like the read world testing
Excited 4 the new course!
Pitty you guys don't get the ranger raptor like we do here in Australia it's head and shoulders above all the other rangers. Looks better too...
You are above average in terms of height so the fact that you do fit in the rear seats is a good thing overall.
I prefer a key a family friend had trouble with the button start and came out more expensive to fix then just having a key to twist
That’s a gnarly course u got there
I love the look of this truck but no push button and seems pretty generic overall maybe I’m just spoiled in the fact my 22 tundra has all kinds of features
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Push start is better coz the key system brake after some time and dust stuck to the system dealing with one now