It's incredibly funny how they have a physician among them for literal years and no one even thinks about him, like, teaching anyone anything. My man keels over and they're just "oh damn that's our one doctor".
@Chadorni Not medicine per se but rather auto-docs and "chems". So they heavily rely more on natural remedies and old methods. Note that if you don't restore the auto-doc, you do the surgery yourself, using tools, which are accepted within the Legion. However, that doesn't solve the plot hole of lack of doctors, there should have been some but none of them experience or knowledge with the intricate details of a brain surgery, hence the Courier being tasked with either getting the parts for the auto-doc, doing it themselves thanks to their knowledge (or lackthereof but being able to convincingly lie or get super lucky) or sell Arcade, who is an experienced doctor
It always bugs me too, the RPG Age of Decadence fixed this issue with a heavily military faction called the "Imperial Guard". Basically, while the in-universe world is in the dark ages level of tech, whil it has doctors and healers. They are hard to come by, and basically in the army of this faction they explain how they form their healer. Its simply the people that are the best to make oinments and herbs and use them, within the ranks are elected and sorted out of the military life so they can learn and become better. While paying doctors and healers, no one is really loyal to the "Guards" they prefer to have one of their own in doing the healing. Also, like for the Blacksmith, its a role reserved for people too old to fight or infirmed. You cant quit the Imperial Army, so you better learn or you are crucified since you self injured to avoid to fight. I kinda wished it was the same for the Legion, it would fit their martial culture.
Good, the real brotherhood (not the bethesda knockoff to sell funko pops) are a group of evil tech hoarders, one step above raiders. House was right to do them in, Followers are just naive.
Arcade has over 10 different ending slides, if you sell him into slavery but Caesar dies, Lanius has him crucified. If you sell him into slavery but end up betraying the Legion for Yes Man he dies during the Legion retreat and gets thrown into a ravine
It’s cosmic and sad what happens to Arcade if you sell him to Caesar. Arcade is the only person in the entire legion left at this point (Ulysses and Joshua being the former) who is an intellectual match to Caesar (despite the weird stats he’s given in game. Never made cannon sense) so to Caesar I could imagine the first couple times Arcade mouthed off Caesar probably had him punished in some way. Probably lashings with a whip. But once Caesar noticed arcades philosophical, historical, mathematical, and linguistic inclinations as well as medicine he probably quickly began to treat Arcade like a treasured pet, doting on him and giving him what Caesar would consider lavish gifts and living arguments compared to the other servants. Almost certainly forcing him to play chess with him during philosophical and militaristic debate in his private living quarters. Giving Arcade cart Blanche to say whatever he wanted whenever he wanted due to how much he enjoyed his company. One could even go far enough to pontificate that Arcade probably was able to win small victories in his own right to Caesar agreeing with him on certain issues and possibly changing the way he went about certain things. History has many examples of rulers having their views softened for the better by someone they see as an intellectual equal. But while to Caesar this is a wonderful thing, to find someone he enjoys being around and talking to and respects, to Arcade this is a personal hell. To be in servitude to a man he despises so much and sees as a cruel and ruthless dictator. Knowing the atrocities Caesar had committed. Seeing first hand how other slaves are treated in the legion. Arcade will never know true peace or true happiness again that’s where the cosmic part comes in. Caesar will love him and Arcade will hate him. And once he takes his own life after years of being in that perpetual hell, Caesar will mourn him like he lost a trusted friend or advisor while Arcade will be relieved to be free of him.
I love Arcade. I love him for the same reason you postulate that Kaesar would love him. I enjoy his words. I recruit him every playthrough just to have him, and so It's hard to play Legion. For a lot of reasons, but chief among them because I disappoint my friend. He's a really good npc, and I live for such characters. Mr. Kitsuragi, anyone?
I think its both interesting and very sad that Ceaser took such a liking to Arcade and he chose to take his own life. I feel like they could have become friends had the situation been different.
I mean Caesar after conquest of Vegas and subsequent campaign in NCR would rule an Empire. He would either be capable of replacing Arcade, or Arcade would exert giant influence, remember eunuchs in the Chinese Empires or Byzantine, or janissaries in the Ottoman empire. Disfigured, slaves, but because of proximity to Sovereign, - exerted giant amount of power. Arcade could've used it to promote public heathcare, education etc, but Caesar is "le ebil" so he can only have bad endings
@@amalekh It's supposed to be funny, the implication being that having to listen to Caesar regularly is so tortorous that it compelled Arcade into suicide.
love this little critter. he might not be the holder of all the sound ideas but surely he's one of the most interesting pieces obsidian ever done for this game
interesting thing to note that may make the legion seem like more of an actually reasonable choice is the fact that he says that the legion will reform into something different after they win the second battle. Potentially meaning the slavery and stuff will gradually be erased from the legion
I keep meaning to do the ending where you get the Enclave remnants to side with the NCR but you yourself side with Caesar and Arcade gets imprisoned for life as a war criminal because an NCR ranger recognized his armor during the retreat, but it seems like too much work for the payoff.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory It might be possible to just find a suit of the armor (you can, in fact, find Enclave power armor at the deathclaw promontory), but you can't find the specialized training needed to wear it.
He used a scalpel to disembowel himself. It must have been a brutal process. Less brutal, I expect, than preserving that snake. Ten hells on the legion, and ten cowardly deaths upon Kaesar.
I have played the game to completion several times, I can never find myself able to finish it with completely helping the Legion. I always end up in a killing spree inside their camp.
I start some runs by siding with Sea and Inculta, but I always turn the fort into a gravesite when I get there. Something about the little girl and her teddy bear turns me feral. Fuck the Legion. Fuck Kaesar.
It's incredibly funny how they have a physician among them for literal years and no one even thinks about him, like, teaching anyone anything. My man keels over and they're just "oh damn that's our one doctor".
Medicine is for profligates
any knowledge the legion gets is at the behest of cesar himself, and modern medicine in the legion is prohibited. that’s why the legion won’t last.
@Chadorni Not medicine per se but rather auto-docs and "chems". So they heavily rely more on natural remedies and old methods. Note that if you don't restore the auto-doc, you do the surgery yourself, using tools, which are accepted within the Legion. However, that doesn't solve the plot hole of lack of doctors, there should have been some but none of them experience or knowledge with the intricate details of a brain surgery, hence the Courier being tasked with either getting the parts for the auto-doc, doing it themselves thanks to their knowledge (or lackthereof but being able to convincingly lie or get super lucky) or sell Arcade, who is an experienced doctor
It always bugs me too, the RPG Age of Decadence fixed this issue with a heavily military faction called the "Imperial Guard". Basically, while the in-universe world is in the dark ages level of tech, whil it has doctors and healers. They are hard to come by, and basically in the army of this faction they explain how they form their healer. Its simply the people that are the best to make oinments and herbs and use them, within the ranks are elected and sorted out of the military life so they can learn and become better.
While paying doctors and healers, no one is really loyal to the "Guards" they prefer to have one of their own in doing the healing.
Also, like for the Blacksmith, its a role reserved for people too old to fight or infirmed. You cant quit the Imperial Army, so you better learn or you are crucified since you self injured to avoid to fight.
I kinda wished it was the same for the Legion, it would fit their martial culture.
Ceaser showed more humanity to the Followers than the BOS
Well they were his family.
Good, the real brotherhood (not the bethesda knockoff to sell funko pops) are a group of evil tech hoarders, one step above raiders. House was right to do them in, Followers are just naive.
Because they showed more humanity than the brotherhood
@@OttoKremlBe they ever so Twisted, even Legion scum has loved ones.
He was one of them
Arcade has over 10 different ending slides, if you sell him into slavery but Caesar dies, Lanius has him crucified. If you sell him into slavery but end up betraying the Legion for Yes Man he dies during the Legion retreat and gets thrown into a ravine
It’s cosmic and sad what happens to Arcade if you sell him to Caesar. Arcade is the only person in the entire legion left at this point (Ulysses and Joshua being the former) who is an intellectual match to Caesar (despite the weird stats he’s given in game. Never made cannon sense) so to Caesar I could imagine the first couple times Arcade mouthed off Caesar probably had him punished in some way. Probably lashings with a whip. But once Caesar noticed arcades philosophical, historical, mathematical, and linguistic inclinations as well as medicine he probably quickly began to treat Arcade like a treasured pet, doting on him and giving him what Caesar would consider lavish gifts and living arguments compared to the other servants. Almost certainly forcing him to play chess with him during philosophical and militaristic debate in his private living quarters. Giving Arcade cart Blanche to say whatever he wanted whenever he wanted due to how much he enjoyed his company. One could even go far enough to pontificate that Arcade probably was able to win small victories in his own right to Caesar agreeing with him on certain issues and possibly changing the way he went about certain things. History has many examples of rulers having their views softened for the better by someone they see as an intellectual equal.
But while to Caesar this is a wonderful thing, to find someone he enjoys being around and talking to and respects, to Arcade this is a personal hell. To be in servitude to a man he despises so much and sees as a cruel and ruthless dictator. Knowing the atrocities Caesar had committed. Seeing first hand how other slaves are treated in the legion. Arcade will never know true peace or true happiness again that’s where the cosmic part comes in. Caesar will love him and Arcade will hate him. And once he takes his own life after years of being in that perpetual hell, Caesar will mourn him like he lost a trusted friend or advisor while Arcade will be relieved to be free of him.
I love Arcade. I love him for the same reason you postulate that Kaesar would love him. I enjoy his words. I recruit him every playthrough just to have him, and so It's hard to play Legion. For a lot of reasons, but chief among them because I disappoint my friend. He's a really good npc, and I live for such characters. Mr. Kitsuragi, anyone?
I think its both interesting and very sad that Ceaser took such a liking to Arcade and he chose to take his own life. I feel like they could have become friends had the situation been different.
I mean Caesar after conquest of Vegas and subsequent campaign in NCR would rule an Empire. He would either be capable of replacing Arcade, or Arcade would exert giant influence, remember eunuchs in the Chinese Empires or Byzantine, or janissaries in the Ottoman empire. Disfigured, slaves, but because of proximity to Sovereign, - exerted giant amount of power. Arcade could've used it to promote public heathcare, education etc, but Caesar is "le ebil" so he can only have bad endings
@@amalekh It's supposed to be funny, the implication being that having to listen to Caesar regularly is so tortorous that it compelled Arcade into suicide.
Peggie
Tempting but if you’re familiar with the Hannibal Lector movies you’d know. Only thing worse than an evil who hates you is one who likes you.
That's hilarious how caesar ragdolls after the botched operation
He launched into the roof and was spazzing out on one of my play throughs
@@TaterCat00That ain't no brain tumor. My man is fucking possessed
love this little critter. he might not be the holder of all the sound ideas but surely he's one of the most interesting pieces obsidian ever done for this game
interesting thing to note that may make the legion seem like more of an actually reasonable choice is the fact that he says that the legion will reform into something different after they win the second battle. Potentially meaning the slavery and stuff will gradually be erased from the legion
I keep meaning to do the ending where you get the Enclave remnants to side with the NCR but you yourself side with Caesar and Arcade gets imprisoned for life as a war criminal because an NCR ranger recognized his armor during the retreat, but it seems like too much work for the payoff.
@@desertdude540 I might do this
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@@outpeer Nice.
Yeah, because it's impossible to find enclave armor in an abandoned base or something.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory It might be possible to just find a suit of the armor (you can, in fact, find Enclave power armor at the deathclaw promontory), but you can't find the specialized training needed to wear it.
Arcades final words to the courier:
Victrix causa deis placuit sed victa Catoni
Translated:
Victorious in the cause of the gods, but defeated by Cato
He used a scalpel to disembowel himself. It must have been a brutal process. Less brutal, I expect, than preserving that snake. Ten hells on the legion, and ten cowardly deaths upon Kaesar.
Victrix causa dis placuit, sed victus placuit Catoni.
The victorious cause pleased the gods, but the defeated one pleased Cato.
I have played the game to completion several times, I can never find myself able to finish it with completely helping the Legion. I always end up in a killing spree inside their camp.
The Legion are pretty unlikable yeah
They have VERY shootable faces.
I start some runs by siding with Sea and Inculta, but I always turn the fort into a gravesite when I get there. Something about the little girl and her teddy bear turns me feral. Fuck the Legion. Fuck Kaesar.
What? I didn't know that handing Arcade to the Legion is possible. Hmmmm, I guess time for another playthrough 😂
He's also a member of the Enclave
@@wesss9353 like what percent of the player base actually completed 'For Auld Lang Syne', like 5% or something right?
@@wesss9353 Yep I know his side quest For Auld Lang Syne, it's just that I didn't know that we can hand him over to Legion 😂
@@DeSaxofoonVanPeter yeah few people know
Did you know you can feed Boone to the white gloves
So fucked up to do that to him.
What does he say?
“The victorious cause was pleasing to the gods, but the lost cause to Cato”
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