Hey SP. Yet another great video, and one that saved me $20. I agree with most everything you said. The only thing I take issue with is that the fading on the DTM is actually more accurate then the freeware loco. I sent you a picture of the actual locomotives with that livery, and you can clearly see a dot pattern of fading colors. "Holy purple wheels Batman"! Still LMAO over that one.
The second best way is to look for DTM on any Train Sim dlc page. Those dlcs you absolutely avoid unless there are enhancements for them or they're fixed. This guy just needs to stop making dlcs period and let the professionals make them because clearly he's not fit for making high quality stuff. When I saw the P40DC dlc on the Steam store, I was thinking "Oh hell yeah, this is going to be fucking epic". Then I saw "DTM" as the devs. I was hesitant at first, but if it's a Pro Range, there's no way DTM could fuck anything up. I only say that because I was never able to get the UP U50 which looked really good in the screenshots and I only wanted that dlc for the freight and caboose anyway. Then, when I saw the light color of the P40DC's lights in the screenshots, I already knew this dlc was gonna flop. I had it in my cart too. The first thing our friend here picked on, that dlc was out my cart instantly. I swapped it for another pro range loco that's actually worth buying. I honestly almost feel bad for the guy, but I can't have sympathy for him until he realizes that the crap he releases is shit and needs to improve in terms of quality. I'll most likely get the P40DC, but only for the stock, the loco I won't even touch until there are enhancements for it. I get that locos are loud bitches, but NS GP38-2 High Hoods are quiet as hell if they're not moving. Their engines are almost dead silent.
I just realized, that the brake sounds are all taken directly from Smokebox's Big Boy. Steam sounds on a diesel locomotive. Steam sounds. On a diesel. Why. (Also, the engine sounds w/o HEP are the default Kuju GEVO sounds from eons ago.)
I mean it was an attempt at something new but everything of DTM is always rushed and likely broken. Imagine trying to sell a TV built in 1990 to someone with todays standards
I bought the DTM P40DC this morning, and it's incredibly loud. A bunch of stuff seemed off to me, but this is the first time I've seen a P40 done for Train Simulator, so I went ahead and got it. I purchased the pack mainly for the rolling stock, including the Material Handling Car (MHC) and the Superliner II series cars. I guess I wanted to see how it turned out. Overall, it gets maybe a 5-7 out of 10 for me.
100% agree with you on with stuff being off looking, I'm shocked you said great looking step up for DTM 🤣😂. Your attention looking at detail is Honestly what makes your Video's so Dam good to watch as nothing passes you without finding something Wrong which I love, it keeps me coming back for more every video you post, that and the funny humor wisecracks 😂Keep It Great Job. I can't get that sound of Air leaking out of my head when in cab horrible sounding, I was laughing sometimes you were when looking at the control brown ware & tare looking but the metal silver plate where the horn and bell & sand buttons look New. 😂Nice looking toggle switch & seats but everything else looks like ass. There's a horn I must have gone deaf because I don't hear anything besides Air. That is insane how far away you can hear that unit just sitting. For how bright those Lights are you should have tested it at night and seen if it made it look daylight or if they were weak looking.
Thanks for the review. :) Honest but needed. I agree that I'd expect better in 2023. To be fair, many of your sound issues are core issues, I notice them in various ways as well. For a year or two sound cuts out binary now, station ambience and most else, and you use zoom, so you are actually triggering it, when between the cars. Some of it is new to me, like when the horn and engine sound is coming from behind, it's not in the video, maybe you have a surround setup? By the way, the engine sound is the same as every Kuju GE - ES44AC, P30CH, SP 9-44CW...
I purchased these first thing in the morning, the passenger car sound and the locomotive sounds need tweaking because of how far away you can hear them, but the views in the superliners are very nice
My pitch of a Moffat Tunnel Subdivision Route (set in the early-mid 1990s) in the game features a built-in California Zephyr set. This includes a phase III P40DC that’s closer to the classic RSC P42DC, paired with some phase III MHC cars, a phase III baggage car, and two superliner sets; one phase III and the other phase IV which includes a transition car. I’m not a content creator for Railworks, but I’m doing some research to pitch an idea that could have massive potential, especially a better P40DC on Steam.
Great feedback and you’re not harsh enough about the details. Why are these lackluster half ass deployments. If it isn’t done to a 100% why even bother? The throttle and brakes are complete shit
It can perhaps work on any routes with third rail, like the Brighton Main Line. I tried the old one (with the early 21st century phase livery) on the route with a train to simulate the City of New Orleans train and run on AI.
Is it just me, or is this the first pro range locomotive to ever be terrible? I don't have the dlc myself, but hearing you talk about a shit show taking place just before your video review sounds like DTM fucking up was inevitable.
Hey man I have tried to get the free pack to work but can't get it My file names are a little different from what the read me said. Would you know anything to help out, I did contact them and still waiting to hear.
I have a few DTM add-ons myself (such as the SD50, U50, DD35A, GP30 and LWT-12 'Aerotrain'), and they're fairly basic for the most part. I remember the LWT-12 having poor sounds and acceleration. Out of sheer curiosity, I still follow DTM on Facebook, but I haven't bought anything from him in ages, so this bad reputation he's now got is new to me. If what a lot of commenters have said here is anything to go by, I won't get this P40DC myself.
In HEP mode, because the prime mover runs at a constant 900 RPM, the rhythm or beat of the engine remains the same, regardless of throttle position. However, the more electricity you demand from an alternator, the greater the magnetic field which makes it harder to turn. So, in order to maintain the 900 RPM the prime mover needs to add more fuel/power and that affects the sound. As you give it more throttle the base sound gets louder and the engine sounds "grouchier", giving you a more powerful "chug". But, like I mentioned before, the rhythm stays the same.
I am trying to install the freeware (UTS) pack and following the instructions but it is not showing up in the game, can you possibly do an install video for those?
Schnauzahpowahz, actually the "twin" is correct as there was always a second engineer in these locomotives. I'm not kidding. As for the lights and well the Genesis with injections, yeah DTM were off by a few inches.
The scripts were not broken. The fella doing the stream appears to have had insufficient practice beforehand and was moving the throttle/dynamic brake handle in the wrong direction. I wrote the script. It has no errors in it. The script error described in one of the review streams pertains to one of the items of rolling stock, not the locomotive.
That pulled stream must've been a disaster for even DTG to take it down compared to their usual fumbling and stumbling around issues. As for a new build and new software it looks just as bland and outdated as the rest of what DTM does. I'd like to know what makes it "Pro" though as what was shown isn't that complex compared to what's available already 🤷♂️
DTM fell hard. Very hard. I remember back in the day when the SD45 had just dropped and it was the shiznits. It really did add some freshness to Railworks. But now? Oof. Seems like they just don't care anymore. One would expect to get better as time goes on, but it seems like DTM is back peddling compared to the other American-content producers. Stand this next to stuff that's coming out at the same time, like the Kb? Lmao
I first heard of this locomotive on the dovetail site, I was excited, then I saw DTM, depression and now your video critiquing with 4 megabytes… (I then proceeded to go to the toilet and barf)
They're seriously charging for a freeware MSTS add-on quality model? Seriously, look up videos of *free* car mods for Assetto Corsa and then come back and compare to this model! Also, why is the alerter going off when the train is stopped and the brakes are applied?
Haha 😂that’s almost as bad as dewalt and their new battery zero mower at this big expo event getting unveiled and the whole big ordeal inside and whatnot and then outback where you can test them out, the thing caught fire and burned to the ground cause ya can’t put out a lithium fire 🔥 like normal fires 😂😂😂 that’s epic
Engineer Dave: "They're gonna pull out the roundhouse, put on the turntable, put on the track, guess who gets to drive (Laughing), Engineer Dave." ,,🚆🛤️
Lol I miss "There Goes A Train". Sadly, this train is not even worthy of being operated by a pretend engineer that likes touching a lot of buttons and levers on a stationary Genesis. No really, this loco dlc is NOT even worthy of being on the Steam Store.
![Engines of Amtrak - GE Genesis [REMAKE]](/img/n.gif)
This is bad.
SO RODE!!!!!!!!
Microsoft called. They want their MSTS model back :v
💀
Hey SP. Yet another great video, and one that saved me $20. I agree with most everything you said. The only thing I take issue with is that the fading on the DTM is actually more accurate then the freeware loco. I sent you a picture of the actual locomotives with that livery, and you can clearly see a dot pattern of fading colors. "Holy purple wheels Batman"! Still LMAO over that one.
The best way to tell what’s a great dlc is if it has this man’s seal of approval
The second best way is to look for DTM on any Train Sim dlc page. Those dlcs you absolutely avoid unless there are enhancements for them or they're fixed. This guy just needs to stop making dlcs period and let the professionals make them because clearly he's not fit for making high quality stuff. When I saw the P40DC dlc on the Steam store, I was thinking "Oh hell yeah, this is going to be fucking epic". Then I saw "DTM" as the devs. I was hesitant at first, but if it's a Pro Range, there's no way DTM could fuck anything up. I only say that because I was never able to get the UP U50 which looked really good in the screenshots and I only wanted that dlc for the freight and caboose anyway. Then, when I saw the light color of the P40DC's lights in the screenshots, I already knew this dlc was gonna flop. I had it in my cart too. The first thing our friend here picked on, that dlc was out my cart instantly. I swapped it for another pro range loco that's actually worth buying.
I honestly almost feel bad for the guy, but I can't have sympathy for him until he realizes that the crap he releases is shit and needs to improve in terms of quality. I'll most likely get the P40DC, but only for the stock, the loco I won't even touch until there are enhancements for it. I get that locos are loud bitches, but NS GP38-2 High Hoods are quiet as hell if they're not moving. Their engines are almost dead silent.
Mighty kind of you to say
@@schnauzahpowahz it’s the truth
@@colbylawson5331 ......
@@colbylawson5331facts but we still gotta give them a chance nobody else is putting in the work what if we still only had kuju models
I just realized, that the brake sounds are all taken directly from Smokebox's Big Boy.
Steam sounds on a diesel locomotive. Steam sounds. On a diesel.
Why.
(Also, the engine sounds w/o HEP are the default Kuju GEVO sounds from eons ago.)
I was just telling one of my friends that I was waiting for your video Sean. Wonderful job!
Dude I soooo nearly bought this but thought I'd better check your review out, pleased I did!
I mean it was an attempt at something new but everything of DTM is always rushed and likely broken. Imagine trying to sell a TV built in 1990 to someone with todays standards
I've waited all day for this. Glad to see you didn't hold back Sean!
I’ve been waiting to get your reactions of these locos😂
I can't wait to wath your reaction to the upcoming DTG TSW3 "American DLC Bundle" hahaha. Cheers pal.
I bought the DTM P40DC this morning, and it's incredibly loud. A bunch of stuff seemed off to me, but this is the first time I've seen a P40 done for Train Simulator, so I went ahead and got it. I purchased the pack mainly for the rolling stock, including the Material Handling Car (MHC) and the Superliner II series cars. I guess I wanted to see how it turned out. Overall, it gets maybe a 5-7 out of 10 for me.
I’d kill to see that dovetail stream
Same it must have been glorious
im crying, this is too beautiful😭
🦢
@@schnauzahpowahz 🦆!!
6:33 god i love your jokes! i got my wisdom teeth removed today and i’m trying so hard not to laugh at this shit. 🤣
Seems like of the few photos I’ve found of the P40DC’s in Phase 3F did have the dot fade.
i bet it was a lot cheaper to paint a dot halftone than a smooth gradient
Yeah they did but not like this lol
I’m overall glad we get Superliner 2’s rather than the reused Superliners 1’s
100% agree with you on with stuff being off looking, I'm shocked you said great looking step up for DTM 🤣😂. Your attention looking at detail is Honestly what makes your Video's so Dam good to watch as nothing passes you without finding something Wrong which I love, it keeps me coming back for more every video you post, that and the funny humor wisecracks 😂Keep It Great Job. I can't get that sound of Air leaking out of my head when in cab horrible sounding, I was laughing sometimes you were when looking at the control brown ware & tare looking but the metal silver plate where the horn and bell & sand buttons look New. 😂Nice looking toggle switch & seats but everything else looks like ass. There's a horn I must have gone deaf because I don't hear anything besides Air. That is insane how far away you can hear that unit just sitting. For how bright those Lights are you should have tested it at night and seen if it made it look daylight or if they were weak looking.
Thanks for the review. :) Honest but needed. I agree that I'd expect better in 2023.
To be fair, many of your sound issues are core issues, I notice them in various ways as well. For a year or two sound cuts out binary now, station ambience and most else, and you use zoom, so you are actually triggering it, when between the cars. Some of it is new to me, like when the horn and engine sound is coming from behind, it's not in the video, maybe you have a surround setup?
By the way, the engine sound is the same as every Kuju GE - ES44AC, P30CH, SP 9-44CW...
I was gonna buy this thanks for talking me out of it
Look at those Dash 8's with their Amtrak fancy outfits...! 😀
WHY IS THIS ON THE PRO RANGE???
I purchased these first thing in the morning, the passenger car sound and the locomotive sounds need tweaking because of how far away you can hear them, but the views in the superliners are very nice
The real P40 and 32 had that reverse notch throttle
It did and thats fine, but its not necessary to reverse it on the keyboard
Lol the drivers heads keep going left and right
That brake release at 49:26 sounds *suspiciously* like the brake sounds from Smokebox's engines, which iirc were recorded off of a D&RGW K class.
The sound of a GE 7FDL12 would have done very nicely for this set
the prototype has a 7fdl16
My pitch of a Moffat Tunnel Subdivision Route (set in the early-mid 1990s) in the game features a built-in California Zephyr set. This includes a phase III P40DC that’s closer to the classic RSC P42DC, paired with some phase III MHC cars, a phase III baggage car, and two superliner sets; one phase III and the other phase IV which includes a transition car.
I’m not a content creator for Railworks, but I’m doing some research to pitch an idea that could have massive potential, especially a better P40DC on Steam.
Great feedback and you’re not harsh enough about the details. Why are these lackluster half ass deployments. If it isn’t done to a 100% why even bother? The throttle and brakes are complete shit
This pack gets atleast a 7/10 for me.
I appreciate your scientific descriptions: “looks like ass”
I'm happy youre happy
We're happy
So the alerter still goes off when stopped and the brakes are set....
it also happens to every amtrak to "empire builder" and every other train in train simulator steam store😭
Thank you for this video, I just saved about 14 Euros.. 😀
It can perhaps work on any routes with third rail, like the Brighton Main Line. I tried the old one (with the early 21st century phase livery) on the route with a train to simulate the City of New Orleans train and run on AI.
Did you guys know that "DTM" is Finnish for "shovelware?"
The only thing I like is the cab and rolling stock. The locomotive looks like its from MSTS.
You should check out the new PRR S1 by DSGDDR guy makes excellent models
Is it just me, or is this the first pro range locomotive to ever be terrible? I don't have the dlc myself, but hearing you talk about a shit show taking place just before your video review sounds like DTM fucking up was inevitable.
Ever seen the U50? because that's just as bad...
.. and also by DTM
@@LP_LP_LP_LP Wow. Good thing that's last on my list of pro range shit to get from Steam.
There is also the DTG TGV that got pulled like 2 years after release.
@@Killer-Of-Night I forgot about that. Why did the DTG TGV get pulled? Was it as bad as this?
@@colbylawson5331 maybe not quite as bad in terms of visuals but it was definitely broken
I can hear the superliner cars at distances I shouldn't be able to hear them.
Hey man I have tried to get the free pack to work but can't get it My file names are a little different from what the read me said. Would you know anything to help out, I did contact them and still waiting to hear.
I have a few DTM add-ons myself (such as the SD50, U50, DD35A, GP30 and LWT-12 'Aerotrain'), and they're fairly basic for the most part. I remember the LWT-12 having poor sounds and acceleration.
Out of sheer curiosity, I still follow DTM on Facebook, but I haven't bought anything from him in ages, so this bad reputation he's now got is new to me. If what a lot of commenters have said here is anything to go by, I won't get this P40DC myself.
In HEP mode, because the prime mover runs at a constant 900 RPM, the rhythm or beat of the engine remains the same, regardless of throttle position. However, the more electricity you demand from an alternator, the greater the magnetic field which makes it harder to turn. So, in order to maintain the 900 RPM the prime mover needs to add more fuel/power and that affects the sound. As you give it more throttle the base sound gets louder and the engine sounds "grouchier", giving you a more powerful "chug". But, like I mentioned before, the rhythm stays the same.
I am trying to install the freeware (UTS) pack and following the instructions but it is not showing up in the game, can you possibly do an install video for those?
Here in Germany, this DLC costs "only" 13.99 euros via Valve/Steam and not 20 like you do in the States.
Thats roughly $15 and it still aint worth that either 😉
£11.99 GBP
$29.50 AUD 🤢
I want the pack just for the MHC boxcar I really cant seem to find one for freeware
Schnauzahpowahz, actually the "twin" is correct as there was always a second engineer in these locomotives. I'm not kidding. As for the lights and well the Genesis with injections, yeah DTM were off by a few inches.
Not always. That depends strictly on the crew base. For runs under I believe 8 hours, they run engineer only in the cab. 8 and over, two engineers.
@@thetrainshop Oh okay. Shit, I barely know a thing or two about the P40s.
He meant twin as in both the crew members look 100% identical
@@BNSF1238 Oh. Well I'll be damned.
Wait how do you disable alerter again
Where can I pick up those Amtrak super liner phase 4 cars?
I rate this DLC 3/10 doesn’t sound good but what did I expect it’s DTM
I hope they don't screw up the Amtrak Chargers
They're doing the Amtrak Charger units? That's Awesome!!!!!!
No.
Noone is
Ever
@@schnauzahpowahz I hope someone does the Amtrak Charger units for Train Simulator Classic someday soon!
Think it’s time for DTM to retire.
The scripts were not broken. The fella doing the stream appears to have had insufficient practice beforehand and was moving the throttle/dynamic brake handle in the wrong direction. I wrote the script. It has no errors in it. The script error described in one of the review streams pertains to one of the items of rolling stock, not the locomotive.
That pulled stream must've been a disaster for even DTG to take it down compared to their usual fumbling and stumbling around issues. As for a new build and new software it looks just as bland and outdated as the rest of what DTM does. I'd like to know what makes it "Pro" though as what was shown isn't that complex compared to what's available already 🤷♂️
"You can depart now"
Lol that's it?
Fr took him like 50 minutes
Honestly, I am curious about a SUPER BIG What if… Mike from Smokebox decided to do diesel locomotives as well… eh I can dream
DTM fell hard. Very hard. I remember back in the day when the SD45 had just dropped and it was the shiznits. It really did add some freshness to Railworks. But now? Oof. Seems like they just don't care anymore. One would expect to get better as time goes on, but it seems like DTM is back peddling compared to the other American-content producers. Stand this next to stuff that's coming out at the same time, like the Kb? Lmao
Assuming you mean the New Zealand KB class, then that locomotive is very good.
I first heard of this locomotive on the dovetail site, I was excited, then I saw DTM, depression and now your video critiquing with 4 megabytes…
(I then proceeded to go to the toilet and barf)
Can't stand audible horn loops. Can AI extend them and make them not so loopy now? ugh.
They're seriously charging for a freeware MSTS add-on quality model? Seriously, look up videos of *free* car mods for Assetto Corsa and then come back and compare to this model!
Also, why is the alerter going off when the train is stopped and the brakes are applied?
Rushed train.
If anyone does buy this, i hope they have the good sense to get a refund immediately.
I get the payware one was bad, but good lord dont use the back of the freeware one as a example cause it is really really wrong.
What do ya expect from DTM? This game is an endless money pit for them. Sadly I'm just as much to Blame because I buy their crap too.
Those screaming bearing noises is always 3.5gb of random scripts lol
WHO LIKES AMTRAK?
Me
Lol😂 40:48
How is this so much worse than freeware
Haha 😂that’s almost as bad as dewalt and their new battery zero mower at this big expo event getting unveiled and the whole big ordeal inside and whatnot and then outback where you can test them out, the thing caught fire and burned to the ground cause ya can’t put out a lithium fire 🔥 like normal fires 😂😂😂 that’s epic
I was so excited for this train as it really fills me with nostalgia but this is just painfull to even watch not going to buy this
I don't like this new unreal 5 engine stuff...looks too realistic!
Engineer Dave: "They're gonna pull out the roundhouse, put on the turntable, put on the track, guess who gets to drive (Laughing), Engineer Dave." ,,🚆🛤️
Lol I miss "There Goes A Train". Sadly, this train is not even worthy of being operated by a pretend engineer that likes touching a lot of buttons and levers on a stationary Genesis. No really, this loco dlc is NOT even worthy of being on the Steam Store.
@@colbylawson5331 Yeah what a wasted money project for that backlogged missing scripts.
@@jakkrapholsingraksatrakul9378 I know.
@@colbylawson5331 I see, thank you very much.
"There's no steering wheel!"