+Flash Man i think if you say something like that "ugly ass piece of shit gtr's..blabla" you're not really a car enthousiast..i like and appreciate all cars! Every car has its ups and downs! I dream of both the gt2rs and the gtr! But also every other sports/supercar...you have to appreciate all of they're technology and r&d and desigsn's..offcourse one can like one more than an other,but to say you hate it and its shit and all that? I dont know...
Ten years ago when these cars were new, the Nissan GTR was less than half the price of the Porsche 911 GT2RS. A more apt comparison would be the GTR vs the 997 911 Turbo. Those two cars were roughly equal in performance. Even then, the 911 Turbo was more expensive, so an even more apt comparison would be the GTR Spec V vs the 911 Turbo S. I have never seen those two cars compared, probably because the Spec V was only sold in Japan. Today, the 992 911 clearly outshines the twelve year old R35 GTR. Nissan needs to come out with the R36 soon in order to be relevant in the supercar market again.
True, however the 0-60 gives some idea as to how a car can get its power down... Although it means a little less these days, as its easily tweaked to sell cars (to a point).
@112namrepus Yes comparison with the GT3, GT3 RS, or Turbo S would make sense. Preferably on a dry track. I don't know how much it costs to lease the car, pay the insurance, and film these videos, but I think the guys at Autocar should do some more GT2 RS vs. comparisons
Its obvious that Jamie is having a great time in that car!! =D Nice comparison! Nice job! Ans since I don't want a race car for an everyday use, I'll stay with the Carrera for myself, please! :)
@benpowellfforddlas i think this is because the use LEDs in the rear lights and to save power consumption they power the LEDs around 100 times per second. With the naked eye you can't see it but trough a camera you see it flashing. Its just the same as you point a camera at a old computer monitor or tv screens.
Might just be me, but Jamie Castorphine comes across as a really competent and likeable presenter, along with Steve Sutcliffe. If only they had Chris Harris back, they could rival that programme on the BBC as a serious - but entertaining alternative. Keep up the good work Autocar, and I'll keep renewing my subscription : )
From a physics point of view the engine in the 911 is actually in the best place. It's the hardest layout to harness as it lends itself to knife edge handling at the limit but technically the best.
@eeeen321 lol well said by you to. the awd drive turbo really is just an absolute bomb shell! It just seems to be able to destroy every car and never seems to try and look over the top like a lambo, quietely confident. They raced it against one of our australian touring V8 supercars, turbo was leading first half of the lap, then fell down on gear ratio difference. Do u think the turbo could really beat the gt2rs cause of the awd?
It should be GT2 RS vs Carrera GT.Although the GT has a V10 and the GT2 a V6,they roughly have 612+ BHP.They're both made from light materials,both RWD and both can reach 200+ MPH,they are both neck and neck =)
I would wait a bit, and pick up a GT2 RS at a police impound auction for pennies on the dollar after the previous owner was imprisoned for a record breaking speeding ticket.
911 GT2 RS vs 599 GTO vs LP670-4 SV vs ZR1 on a dry day with a proper racing driver and similar tires. I would wet myself for that one :D Thumbs up if you would too
The line the two drivers are taking through the corners is completely different.... whoever was driving the regular 911 wasn't even trying (or has no skill)... not an even comparison ... still a great glimpse of the GT2 RS's amazing attributes though. What a car!!
@TheBehemod I thought they flash under hard braking, so drivers behind are alerted and aware. I heard about Mercedes putting this in their cars a few years ago, where the brake light was meant to be a brighter or stronger red under hard braking.
@rxs10000 I saw one too, on my Birthday. I was in Downtown, Vancouver walking to a building then I saw this beautiful silver GT2 RS and couldn't keep my eyes off it. Too bad the GT2 RS is extremely limited -.-
@Truemoderate $100,000 for a base Carrera? What have you been smoking? The Porsche website right now cites the base Carrera as having a starting MSRP of just over $77,000. The first car in the 911 line that goes six-digit is the Carrera S Cabriolet, and the first hard-top to cross the hundred-thousand mark is the Carrera GTS. A good half of the Porsche 911 range starts under $100,000 and while that may very well go up with their infamous options list, it'd be hard to get a $100k Carrera 2.
What a great discussion about the GTR and the GT2 RS. Why don't you compare teh laptimes? Let's see how fast they are on the Nordschleife: GTR: 7:38 GT2 RS: 7:24 Looks like the Posche owned the japanese toycar.
the ceramic brakes that porsche offeres really puzzle me. the base carrera has porsche's lowly black coloured brakes. while the carrera s has the better red brakes. the gt2 rs has the $9000 ceramic brake option and it only stops 3 meters shorter than the carrera. this can only mean three things. 1. the ceramic brakes are not worth the money 2. the base carrera's brakes are already above par 3. if you do actually pay for the yellow brakes you're most likely paying for the yellow calipers.
On a track you only do a launch maybe once (if your actually racing) in the real world you stop all over the place, and i find myself quite often in a street light started drag race.
@edoloman24 umm because its made for the track with balance in mind, not just a science experiment to see how much power can be squeezed out of the motor....it doesn't have turbos so the power and torque distribution through the rev range is more linear...driving this car will definitely be harder to get all that power down and not lose control where as the gt3 rs 4.0 will be like a race car, i guarantee the gt3 will be like glue around the same corners where this car would spin out...
@saxaza97 and what you would have at the end of the day is still a Carrera that probably still isn't as quick as a GT2 RS. And even if it could match it in a straight line, which I doubt, it would still corner like a Carrera. Wouldn't you rather just save up for a bit longer until you get that 20k then buy a GT2 RS or something awesome
I fail to see why this comparison is based on the price difference. The price difference between these cars is irrelevant. Why you might ask? Simple. The GT2RS is a car that will be purchased by someone who can afford it. Someone who is going to drop that much money really doesn't care about the price. You're paying for prestige and exclusivity in that price range. The 911 on the other hand is a car that is attainable to your average enthusiast. Both cars meet different segment needs. Period.
I love the GT2 a lot but I genuinely thought it will destroy the humble base car. But Twice as fast and cost more than 3 times the price. I’d take the Carrera and be happy if I took the GT2 based on this test at nearly 4 times the price of the Carrera, I’ll feel like I was robbed!
true you pay for what you get but for 90% of the drivers and 98% of the time the base 911 is all that you need unless you just want to take it to the track and race it which even takes ore bucks as the wear and tear of tires among everything else.
@rxs10000 yeah. i definitely know what you mean. i live in America, you're about 10,000x more likely to see a corvette than a gt2rs. Ive only seen one in a gray color. it was amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AlexDeLarge90 Here you are right, too. When you buy a Porsche you also have to pay for the brand and its successes in motorsports. A bit like these expensive apples on some computers. ;)
if the weight to power is almost double the carrera and the diffrence is 3 sec around track..i could use the extra 100 grand and use it that is more usefull in real life
I'd still take a Cayman S over these two. The GT2 RS is too extreme to use on the road and the Cayman has been proven to handle better than the 911's thanks to its mid-engine layout.
People love talking about how the engine is in the wrong place on 911's at one point in time that might have been a reasonable argument...one thing you cant argue with is a 7:18 around the Nurburgring. aka faster than any road ferrari, lamborghini, pagani, maserati, mercedes, bmw, audi, ford, and chevrolet. Sometimes wrong can be right i guess
@MeisterYodarkus There's a simple explanation for that. It is called "the price of a brand". Levi's can charge more for their jeans despite them not being better qualiwise than many other brands. Harley Davidson were nowhere near the qualitylevels of japanese motorcycles in the 80's and 90's (and not now either), but since it was a Harley they could still charge a higher price. A Rolls Royce Silver Spirit wasn't three times better than a Mercedes S-class, but it was a Rolls Royce!! Get it??
I'd like to see a comparison of the GT2 RS vs. the Turbo S. According to the numbers, the Turbo S gets faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, with less power but how does that translate to the track? Is the GT2 quicker around a track. Is it worth giving up the plush interior for better track numbers? Or would it be better to get the Faster-in-a-straight-line 911 with full luxury??
I've discovered a 911 turbo 03 with x50 with 14k miles for 60 grand vs the Carrera s with 45k miles and 08 year for the same price, guess what I'm thinking???? I'll never have an opportunity to own a true sport car or race car all in one, If I don't take this 03 I'll never have a classic or your not so everyday driving experience to own in my life. this mean's everything to own a legend 200 mph race car that will flat out fly. see ya on the street.
There we go again and again! Every video with either Porsche, Corvette or GTR will just have other fanboys bashing and talk crap about each other. I'd love to debate about the GTR but because I love a Porsche alot I won't other wise people will get the wrong idea.
No, the GT2 RS couldn't be the F1 Safety car, because a lot of F1 team will protest against that, because the RS would be faster than their own F1 machines!
Worth half a Million now!!!!!!! And probably the best and fastest Porsche made to date! I know it's my favorite car on the planet!
I'm not particularly a Porsche fan, but the GT2 RS especially in black looks stunning and super aggressive
All you GTR fanboys bow down to your lord and master. The Porsche GT2..... RS!
but the GTR is...well crap
And everyone plz puke on the gtr
Sniff.. I'm so happy. I thought I was the only one.. the only one that hated that piece of shit ugly ass GTR. You're all beautiful people.
+Flash Man i think if you say something like that "ugly ass piece of shit gtr's..blabla" you're not really a car enthousiast..i like and appreciate all cars! Every car has its ups and downs! I dream of both the gt2rs and the gtr! But also every other sports/supercar...you have to appreciate all of they're technology and r&d and desigsn's..offcourse one can like one more than an other,but to say you hate it and its shit and all that? I dont know...
Ten years ago when these cars were new, the Nissan GTR was less than half the price of the Porsche 911 GT2RS.
A more apt comparison would be the GTR vs the 997 911 Turbo. Those two cars were roughly equal in performance.
Even then, the 911 Turbo was more expensive, so an even more apt comparison would be the GTR Spec V vs the 911 Turbo S. I have never seen those two cars compared, probably because the Spec V was only sold in Japan.
Today, the 992 911 clearly outshines the twelve year old R35 GTR. Nissan needs to come out with the R36 soon in order to be relevant in the supercar market again.
at the beginning that drift was amazing
The difference in the 0-150 mph drag race is just unbelievable!!!!!
True, however the 0-60 gives some idea as to how a car can get its power down... Although it means a little less these days, as its easily tweaked to sell cars (to a point).
That is by far the best 911 to date but i do love the new GT 3 RS too. With the grills in the front fenders....nasty!!
@112namrepus Yes comparison with the GT3, GT3 RS, or Turbo S would make sense. Preferably on a dry track. I don't know how much it costs to lease the car, pay the insurance, and film these videos, but I think the guys at Autocar should do some more GT2 RS vs. comparisons
I would do anything for this car, I swear one day I will own a GT2 RS
amazing car! been waiting for autocar to get hold of one of these. you are my fav car show. could've gone into a bit more detail but that's just me.
Its obvious that Jamie is having a great time in that car!! =D Nice comparison! Nice job! Ans since I don't want a race car for an everyday use, I'll stay with the Carrera for myself, please! :)
@benpowellfforddlas i think this is because the use LEDs in the rear lights and to save power consumption they power the LEDs around 100 times per second. With the naked eye you can't see it but trough a camera you see it flashing. Its just the same as you point a camera at a old computer monitor or tv screens.
GT2 RS cars appear to have appreciated in value quite nicely.
Might just be me, but Jamie Castorphine comes across as a really competent and likeable presenter, along with Steve Sutcliffe. If only they had Chris Harris back, they could rival that programme on the BBC as a serious - but entertaining alternative. Keep up the good work Autocar, and I'll keep renewing my subscription : )
you can tell from the the title of this video that it's from another time. but the car featured in the video is still very relevant today.
simply the best, wet or dry. Requires a proper driver though.
From a physics point of view the engine in the 911 is actually in the best place. It's the hardest layout to harness as it lends itself to knife edge handling at the limit but technically the best.
@eeeen321
lol well said by you to. the awd drive turbo really is just an absolute bomb shell! It just seems to be able to destroy every car and never seems to try and look over the top like a lambo, quietely confident. They raced it against one of our australian touring V8 supercars, turbo was leading first half of the lap, then fell down on gear ratio difference. Do u think the turbo could really beat the gt2rs cause of the awd?
Why do the Carrera's rear brake lights flash as it drove away? I've seen this a lot on German cars.... can anyone fill me in?
It should be GT2 RS vs Carrera GT.Although the GT has a V10 and the GT2 a V6,they roughly have 612+ BHP.They're both made from light materials,both RWD and both can reach 200+ MPH,they are both neck and neck =)
Carrera to GT3 RS is made smart engineers in Germany, the GT2 and the GT2 RS is made by MADMAN... I JUST LOVE IT!!!
I would wait a bit, and pick up a GT2 RS at a police impound auction for pennies on the dollar after the previous owner was imprisoned for a record breaking speeding ticket.
@vvysoc 3 seconds are actually a huge number in racing, especially on such a short track like in this video.
@ZNOLMT That should be a fun comparison. Both are epicly fast and both have the same DNA but different purposes.
What is the name of this song @ 7seconds? Its amazing. I work for Porsche, and the GT cars are simply stunning.
911 GT2 RS vs 599 GTO vs LP670-4 SV vs ZR1 on a dry day with a proper racing driver and similar tires. I would wet myself for that one :D Thumbs up if you would too
@frank3c03 All 911's use a Flat 6, not a V6. Hence the boxer wail.
How does the 2014 Carerra stack up against the 2010 GT2 ??
The line the two drivers are taking through the corners is completely different.... whoever was driving the regular 911 wasn't even trying (or has no skill)... not an even comparison ... still a great glimpse of the GT2 RS's amazing attributes though. What a car!!
@TheBehemod I thought they flash under hard braking, so drivers behind are alerted and aware. I heard about Mercedes putting this in their cars a few years ago, where the brake light was meant to be a brighter or stronger red under hard braking.
@justforwatchingcraps in fact, the GT3 and the GT2 are from the 997 series..
Nice test :) Thanks!
(saving money for the 2013 Lotus Elise, though ... I can't afford a GT2)
Porsche 2012 4.0 gt3 is the best car under $180,000.If I was worth a few mil,it would be the first thing I would order tomorrow!
Other than the 993 turbo, this gt2 is the best looking Porsche I have ever seen
I wonder why 0-60 is so important. I should think acceleration while you're already moving would mean more in the real world.
@rxs10000 I saw one too, on my Birthday.
I was in Downtown, Vancouver walking to a building then I saw this beautiful silver GT2 RS and couldn't keep my eyes off it. Too bad the GT2 RS is extremely limited -.-
the beginning drift was EPIC
@mkampinga Judging by laptimes the Spec-V hasn't really been put through it's paces.
@JunkieJay3000 i agree. this is possibly the best performance car review i have ever seen
Youre right, the most important is from 50-150 i would say.
@Truemoderate $100,000 for a base Carrera? What have you been smoking? The Porsche website right now cites the base Carrera as having a starting MSRP of just over $77,000. The first car in the 911 line that goes six-digit is the Carrera S Cabriolet, and the first hard-top to cross the hundred-thousand mark is the Carrera GTS. A good half of the Porsche 911 range starts under $100,000 and while that may very well go up with their infamous options list, it'd be hard to get a $100k Carrera 2.
Whats the song playing in the background during the comparison
So a more powerful and more sporty version of a 911 is faster than a standard 911.
Now then it is quite the info you've got there.
I dont think people in the UK are sure what system to use most of the time. I'm from Canada and it's the same way there, a mix of both systems.
@flimper1 I agree. It's like to compare a E90 325i with a E92 M3 DCT.
What a great discussion about the GTR and the GT2 RS. Why don't you compare teh laptimes? Let's see how fast they are on the Nordschleife:
GTR: 7:38
GT2 RS: 7:24
Looks like the Posche owned the japanese toycar.
the ceramic brakes that porsche offeres really puzzle me. the base carrera has porsche's lowly black coloured brakes. while the carrera s has the better red brakes. the gt2 rs has the $9000 ceramic brake option and it only stops 3 meters shorter than the carrera. this can only mean three things. 1. the ceramic brakes are not worth the money 2. the base carrera's brakes are already above par 3. if you do actually pay for the yellow brakes you're most likely paying for the yellow calipers.
If i could have any car on earth it would be the GT 2 RS! I just don't know what color i would choose black, silver, red?? Maybe silver!
@12389h the GT-R has satnav, 11 stereospeakers with subwoofer etc dont forget to mention stuff like that :p also got the GT-R specv btw
On a track you only do a launch maybe once (if your actually racing) in the real world you stop all over the place, and i find myself quite often in a street light started drag race.
@edoloman24 umm because its made for the track with balance in mind, not just a science experiment to see how much power can be squeezed out of the motor....it doesn't have turbos so the power and torque distribution through the rev range is more linear...driving this car will definitely be harder to get all that power down and not lose control where as the gt3 rs 4.0 will be like a race car, i guarantee the gt3 will be like glue around the same corners where this car would spin out...
Never in my life did I think a normal 911 would seem slow...
@dailyforman
Hmm thats raw engine sound. Porsche dont use noise changing exhaust. Its their signature
You should have made a dogfight between the GT2 vs the GT2 RS.
I'd have both Carrera PDK for weekdays and GT2RS for weekends :-)
@saxaza97 and what you would have at the end of the day is still a Carrera that probably still isn't as quick as a GT2 RS. And even if it could match it in a straight line, which I doubt, it would still corner like a Carrera. Wouldn't you rather just save up for a bit longer until you get that 20k then buy a GT2 RS or something awesome
I fail to see why this comparison is based on the price difference. The price difference between these cars is irrelevant. Why you might ask? Simple. The GT2RS is a car that will be purchased by someone who can afford it. Someone who is going to drop that much money really doesn't care about the price. You're paying for prestige and exclusivity in that price range. The 911 on the other hand is a car that is attainable to your average enthusiast. Both cars meet different segment needs. Period.
@rxs10000 I heard that in real life they really do sound very similar to a jet fighter, good observation. :D
Why would anyone compare a GT2 RS to a simple BASE Carrera? Instead, compare it to the GT3 or maybe the GT3 RS?
I love the GT2 a lot but I genuinely thought it will destroy the humble base car.
But Twice as fast and cost more than 3 times the price. I’d take the Carrera and be happy if I took the GT2 based on this test at nearly 4 times the price of the Carrera, I’ll feel like I was robbed!
true you pay for what you get but for 90% of the drivers and 98% of the time the base 911 is all that you need unless you just want to take it to the track and race it which even takes ore bucks as the wear and tear of tires among everything else.
Please the name of the song?when start the video.thak you
@rxs10000 yeah. i definitely know what you mean. i live in America, you're about 10,000x more likely to see a corvette than a gt2rs. Ive only seen one in a gray color. it was amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Epic powerslide at the begining and end
hows the regular 2 or 2s in the rain?
@AlexDeLarge90 Here you are right, too. When you buy a Porsche you also have to pay for the brand and its successes in motorsports. A bit like these expensive apples on some computers. ;)
@speedenforcer918 What V6? it's a flat six.
Impossible to have it in Italy road tax for 600 cv = 6000€
5:08 very nice drift!!!!!
testing conditions far from ideal = normal british testing conditions
is the carrera with pdk or did it use launch control?
Why to they blame that poor Carrera? It is very good, too!
gt2 rs vs gt3 rs?
Perhaps it's to show just how much faster the GT2 is...
if the weight to power is almost double the carrera and the diffrence is 3 sec around track..i could use the extra 100 grand and use it that is more usefull in real life
the fact is: UK is not the place to test cars lol.
I'd still take a Cayman S over these two. The GT2 RS is too extreme to use on the road and the Cayman has been proven to handle better than the 911's thanks to its mid-engine layout.
@Towelman20
So right. No matter how much better the GTR is in numbers. Porsche Engineering is always the best!
@RamboLambo002 The problem is the aerodynamics. And also business contract with mercedes.
do a video of a porsche 911 GT2 RS VS ferrari's 599 GTO please!!
both cars are awesome, but also too damn quiet. the GT2 RS in particular. I wouldn't want it sounding like a vacuum cleaner.
Get an exhaust. But to be fair the sound isn't coming out well on video. Sounds fairly good IRL.
People love talking about how the engine is in the wrong place on 911's at one point in time that might have been a reasonable argument...one thing you cant argue with is a 7:18 around the Nurburgring. aka faster than any road ferrari, lamborghini, pagani, maserati, mercedes, bmw, audi, ford, and chevrolet. Sometimes wrong can be right i guess
@ratmtbola yea if it is your carreer to race but not to just own even on track days once in a while...but yea it is a big diffrence in long run
i would def have the 911 gt3 rs 4.0...best 911 so far
@MeisterYodarkus
There's a simple explanation for that. It is called "the price of a brand". Levi's can charge more for their jeans despite them not being better qualiwise than many other brands. Harley Davidson were nowhere near the qualitylevels of japanese motorcycles in the 80's and 90's (and not now either), but since it was a Harley they could still charge a higher price.
A Rolls Royce Silver Spirit wasn't three times better than a Mercedes S-class, but it was a Rolls Royce!! Get it??
This car went by a ducatti at 211 MPH!!!!!!!!!
gt2 rs or gt3 rs ?
I'd like to see a comparison of the GT2 RS vs. the Turbo S. According to the numbers, the Turbo S gets faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, with less power but how does that translate to the track? Is the GT2 quicker around a track. Is it worth giving up the plush interior for better track numbers? Or would it be better to get the Faster-in-a-straight-line 911 with full luxury??
Wheres vicki...?
Its been a while tht i havent seen her..:-(
I've discovered a 911 turbo 03 with x50 with 14k miles for 60 grand vs the Carrera s with 45k miles and 08 year for the same price, guess what I'm thinking???? I'll never have an opportunity to own a true sport car or race car all in one, If I don't take this 03 I'll never have a classic or your not so everyday driving experience to own in my life. this mean's everything to own a legend 200 mph race car that will flat out fly. see ya on the street.
There we go again and again! Every video with either Porsche, Corvette or GTR will just have other fanboys bashing and talk crap about each other. I'd love to debate about the GTR but because I love a Porsche alot I won't other wise people will get the wrong idea.
The Carrera is even slower than the Cayman R, how the hell it can beat out the GT2-RS in straight line acceleration.
Its a measure of torque and grip.
dam who the driver?? drift run soo smooth_ takes some awsom skills to drift wet
that drift was sick
dont forget there are traffic lights in the real world too :P
No, the GT2 RS couldn't be the F1 Safety car, because a lot of F1 team will protest against that, because the RS would be faster than their own F1 machines!
Both of these cars are stunning, I'd take either of them if your reading this santa......
@GR3B3N yeah and because of that the designers of the corvette are thinking of making it mid-engined...which will kill off the corvette in my opinion
Value!? Lol! Aren't these things $400K+ now?