The hundred is solely a marketing tool for the Women's game and has been launched at the expense of test cricket. There are not 18 female County teams so it wasn't possible to tag it onto the blast. We now have the best month for county and 50 over cricket being wasted on a format no one else plays. If they want to promote the women's game, using the mens to tag it onto, the men have to be worth watching, and the format being played needs relevance.
T-20 was really quite enough - but NO! ... We HAD to come up with something else like the 100 to pull some money away from the IPL, didn't we? Cricket be damned!
Does any English players play in the Sheffield shield in the winter months? There's plenty of Aussies playing English county cricket which means they get to play test cricket all year round.
Are they actually not allowed to play? I just thought it was the case that there are only six state teams and our players aren't good enough. They should go and play first grade cricket and work their way up.
It doesn't matter. Which Indian player plays in Australia or England? Players didn't apply themselves, plain & simple! County cricket isn't producing fast bowlers, spin bowlers nor opening batsmen!
They do; how else would they keep their £200 ties straight at the champagne gala. The problem is that they like what they're seeing and no one else does.
So weird seeing Gower like this. Not because he's short of opinions. Just because he was the one asking questions on Sky Sports for years. I must say, I really like it. It'd be great if Nass, Athers, Key, and Ward had Gower as a guest on one of their vodcasts.
It's safe to say that England's test cricket has hit the rock bottom. Inconsistent opening pair, too much dependency on Root, few bowlers limited to certain bowling conditions and so many players fighting for their place in the team.
The Australian team was in a similar state for a while after the great team of Waugh's era. After a few bad years, we found a very good core group of players in all formats. It might take a little while, but the same will happen for English cricket.
Indian test cricket also hit rock bottom losing to inexperienced sa side...middle order total flop...only pace bowling looking good...openers also inconsistent... captain is a choker
2005, McGrath says 5-0: England fans could say their team can prove him wrong, somehow they won as well! Had Cummins/ Hazelwood said 5-0 at the series start: England fans- "Absolutely!"
@@wwenov1830 the 06 team certainly had better batsmen. Cook, strauss, Collingwood, Pietersen and bell all averaged over 40. Only root does that in this team
I've hardly seen Gower being asked for his opinion before.... usually its him who's interviewing Boycott or Willis as a moderator 😃 happy that he kept banging on the real underlying issue like Boycott does - the red ball issues stemming from England's county system as well as the coaching and selection hierarchy.
I disagree with Gower when he talks about the IPL. Burns, Hameed, Crawley, Root, Pope, Wokes, Wood, Robinson, Anderson, Broad, Leach dont play the IPL. Stokes hasnt played any cricket for six months. They do play The Hundred though. The fact is England have themselves to blame for their horrible test form.
He's insinuating about Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes not playing in county and depriving counties of their quality. Honestly IpL has nothing to do with English players struggling in tests. Even the Hundred cannot be blamed because all the test players played just two games during the monsoon
@@seventhuser904 no. That's Indias thing for sure. + There's a bunch of players that would of been better in this squad who couldn't play because of the IPL. And now they only play white ball. Livingstone being an example of that
@@thegingerbread2241 Indian thing ?? Lmao thats irony 🤣🤣 ..... Now go and cry .. England can never beat Australia in Australia ..... Lmao it is not a cup of tea for every team especially England .... Go and find excuses for future games mate
As an Aussie, growing up from the 60’s through, I absolutely loved, admired & respected David Gower as a player! Now as a commentator, analyst of the game, David is fantastic! I’d really hoped the Poms could’ve turned things around during the series but obviously that didn’t happen. They were seemingly just not cohesive, interested as a team & relied on too few. I loved the days when The Ashes was a blood & guts contest! Hoping England gets back to the days of old, but not enough to beat us!👍🏼🤣
Their best players became journalists when they needed them in the coaching ranks. Gower, Nasser Hassain, Atherton, Vaughan and Cook are all pundits taking pot shots when they could use their expertise on the ground. Who's Silverwood? and Giles was an average spin bowler. At least with Langer we know we are getting a hard nosed street fighter, even Lehmann was pretty hard nosed and played a lot of games at the top level. We were down and out after sandpaper gate but look how quick we bounced back. Take their breath mints away and Mcgrath didn't roll his ankle and that series also would have been different.
Ian Kearns , I still say the answer for English lays with the old school boys, Boycott , Botham etc . I just commented on Gower and co because I used to pull sickies from work and go watch the ashes matches at the MCG when they are playing .
All things are cyclical. Yes there are issues in the county cricket system but the 4-0 loss could have been predicted. I was at the Edgbaston test when Australia last visited and it was clear, despite the drawn series, that England were miles off the pace and should have been beaten comfortably. Better batting and much better bowling lineup. This was in English conditions not the hard tracks of Australia. Broad and Anderson have continuously failed to take enough wickets in Australian conditions. For Australia we need pace. Wood performed well but we needed a fit on song Jofra Archer and A N other.
County cricket isn't to blame. ECB introduced the Hundred which in one year has destroyed county cricket. Also, scheduling the county championship in April, May and September is a massive mistake. They should be playing county cricket in June - August when the pitches are at their best.
I remember when Gower scored what turned out to be his final century in cricket (Hampshire vs Sussex at Portsmouth - when Hampshire used to play in cities and actually bothered with representing the whole county, rather than just the Borough of Eastleigh) and he got a standing ovation from the wicket back to pavilion. Was a very emotional moment, as it was very likely it was to be his final ton, coming 3 weeks before the end of his retirement season. Wonderful batsman, and a true gentleman too. His commentary during the latest THRashes series was some consolation for the appalling cricket being broadcasted. Great to see he is still at the top of his game with the microphone. My favourite England player ever.
My dad has met him many a time in the 70's while he was playing at Leicestershire. Apparently he's a real gent and always has time for people. He was fantastic for Leicestershire back in the day
LoL! He asked a very valid question! Unlike England India don't blame other factors like they do constantly. Don't try to paint it as one off event for England!
one can feel David Gower's frustration. A true genuine cricket brain. England's defeat is not good for cricket at all. This is extremely disappointing to see England playing like a club team.
I am not even a cricket fan but remember seeing him in a corner shop opposite the Cradock pub in Knighton, Leicester, chatting to the owner when I was a student at Leicester University in 1989. He seemed pleasant and there was a sense of presence about him. I think he lived not too far away at the time. He always makes thoughtful contributions to any programme he is on.
'Fine, we won a world cup, the first time in 8000 years of trying.' Lol. Someone had to take Bob Willis' king of cricket-sass throne. Glad it's Gower. About the IPL affecting test cricket: India's rise as a good/great test team that can win abroad - to a point where it is surprising if they lose - happened after the birth of the IPL. India and Australia have shown that it is IS possible to have some sort of balance between the two. Harder for countries that don't have the resources that India and Australia do, but England doesn't belong in the category of test playing nations with little resources. There really is no excuse or explanation other than the ECB's strategic focus on whiteball cricket - on and off the field - has come at the cost of not paying any attention to the red ball.
He didn't seem very detached to me. In fact, more fired up than I can ever remember. It's a pity he wasn't like that when he was batting, getting out to those lazy wafts outside off-stump.
When playing, Gower didn't like county cricket - he considered it almost a chore to play County Championship games. For him, the focus was always on playing for your country. What we need are players who are totally committed to achieving a level where they can be successful in tests as a priority, instead of working out how to play clever shots that allow them to score quickly in the short game, and bowlers who want to send the ball down with fire in their belly as opposed to concentrating on the line and length of the IPL or Hundred. As David says, tests should ALWAYS be considered the most important format of cricket. The Ashes is the crowning glory of any English or Aussie cricketer's career and anything, or anyone, who dumbs that down is making a mistake.
It's easy blaming T20 cricket and IPL but majority of English test players don't play much IPL. Domestic cricket is what matters. Do these guys have confidence to bat for long periods of time there
Australian players also play IPL. No need to downgrade our tournament. They need to focus on first-class domestic cricket. In the same squad, there are 5-6 Aussie players who have played IPL at the same time English players were playing IPL.
From the moment they decided to bat first on a green top at the Gabba the series was going to be an uphill battle. Joe Root a classy player but not a leader. Not a lot of belief in their abilities and showed no backbone when it really mattered as a team. Dismal all around.
Root still did carry Eng vs India all summer in 2021, leading from the front with his hundreds. Even with that, Eng couldn't do well. The main problem is the system no doubt. Everyone focuses in t20 cricket, all of England's best known players r in the IPL. The whole system needs to focus on setting a goal, win Ashes 2023, and win the WTC 2023-25 could be the benchmark. The white ball team set a goal to win WC 2019 and it worked.
The real reason is something else. It's the pitches that are played in the domestic competition that are too bowler friendly. As a result no batsman have the confidence to travel outside and score big runs. The exaggerated conditions makes some really ordinary bowlers completely unplayable. Aussies even had a whatsapp group while playing county cricket called `Stevo's gonna get ya` . No offence to the player, but this over importance given to keep the wickets more bowler friendly have led to the batsmen coming out of the system to have very little confidence to play outside England. Look at the batting average of some of the domestic players, are there any standout players that are banging on the door.
I’m an English man. How come on the same wicket, Australia managed to get from 3 for 12 to 303 all out yet England crumbled from 0 for 68 to all out for 124. Both teams batted and bold on the same wicket.
Gower is an old fashioned Cricketing Gentleman from England who are rare these days. Speaks the English language better than most of his countryman with every passing year less and less English people speak the English language well and always gives good analysis when it comes to cricket. Love listening to the guy. Also was wonderful batsman to watch. Thankfully we have youtube. Great technique and timing on the ball. Not a slogger at all. Yet keeps the scoreboard ticking along fast. His shots are all text book cricketing technique. To go to some of his late 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s knocks to see what he was like.
So England players played bad because they play in IPL? Wow! That's some point to note, didn't Australian players also played IPL? How come they performed so brilliantly? I agree that England cricket is focusing too much on white ball & even trying to go one up over IPL by introducing 100 but IPL has become hobby for these people. In short loss in India : Blame the pitch Loss in Australia : Blame IPL!! 👍
Pat josh smith Warner are really struggling in tests due to IPL and the English squad had so many playing IPL the openers are playing for MI aren't they .. lol
Someone correct me if I am wrong, I know about the covid situation , and apart from the fact that the Aussies were a superior side. We went there with hardly any prep. Normally an England side would play the state sides before and inbetween test matches. I think this tour was badly planned.
England were here for a month before the GABBA test. They played 2 games England vs England Lions and 1 game Australia A vs England A. The weather played a significant role this summer. We had Tropical Cyclone Seth playing havoc as well as another TC Tiffany. I think the stop-go decision making around covid restrictions also hindered plans. On the other side of the coin, England has had a lot more test cricket these last 2 years than Australia has..
Talking about IPL, the country that hosts it ,is number 1 in tests. India have never won T20 WC after after starting IPL. All the 11 Indian test players play in IPL, but few English players out of their test squad feature in IPL. Still IPL destroyed your test format. Ridiculous.
If the English spent less time crying about the IPL and more time making competitive pitches at home they'd not be whining at the end of every away series, the IPL only goes on for 2 months a year and guess who else plays in it,the Aussies and Indians themselves, they don't seem to be losing series' because of it, pitches and the IPL are the top two reasons the old Englishmen have to hide their own team's shortcomings
"Root is not being supported. " Is that the reason why he makes horrible calls in the field?? Be it bringing in bowlers and setting fields? Have people forgotten Ahmedabad, Lords, Gabba??? He has no tactical awareness.. not one bit
No need to go Gaga over England .England is doing fine in cricket comparing that its not their most popular sport ! Cricket in India is the most popular sport enjoys top facilities , riches and pool of population but still we are not able to dominate ! What other countries achieve in cricket is what india would expect to do in Olympics or Hockey !
Get gower and botham to run the england test team. If nothing else, at least the players wud enjoy themselves in a relaxed enviroment.atm its toxic playing for england.
The entire setup is confused. The selections are misguided. It seems like there’s a culture of relying on stats which simply has to to stop. Whomever is telling them to bat on off-stump needs binning immediately. The ECB need to get their act together, and sharpish.
I remember asking for David Gower’s autograph at Trent Bridge. I didn’t have a pen with me, so he offered to go back to the studio to get one! Real class
well done David England test team and back room have lost their way as good as white ball cricket is TEST cricket is real cricket look back at its history body line nearly split the Empire,Jim Laker and his wickets the 3ws,The Don,,all the great batsmen from India and much more this is what cricket is built on 5 days of fight and skill
As a sort of occasional spectator at County Championship cricket, it is clear from the attendances that very few people are interested in it. It is hardly surprising that the most accomplished English cricketers see their priorities elsewhere.
Its not that they lost 4, 0 , its how they lost. It looks like they wherent even trying . These English legends have to watch on this debacle . Gowers comments are spot on, but Botham said they where gutless , i have to agree.
Blaming IPL for poor test performance ?? What abt Australia then ?? Also There are hardly any IPL contracted players playing test for England . Gower need to rethink
Australian players also play IPL, then just won t20wc and ashes, David gower can't say anything against the stupid Hundred, but always gives IPL as a reason for England's failure in tests.
Why blame the ipl ? Crawley, Broad, Burns, Anderson, Malan, Root, Leach don't participate in the ipl itself. Just accept, Australians were far better prepared and highly skilled
@@varunchauhan7267 All i hear in New Zealand is Indians making excuses for losing. Pitches , conditions and the weather. Kings of whinging and whining.
As an Indian, it has been amusing when everytime England loses in India it is the "poor pitches" but when India loses in England it's "can't play on seaming pitches". This attitude is least discussed by England experts and fans. And then all they have is blame the IPL when almost none of their test top order plays in the IPL.
As a die hard fan of test cricket, it's sad to see England's downfall as a test playing nation and it obviously has to do with players concentrating more on white ball cricket but more than that it's about England's reluctance to look beyond a few tried and tested players. Rory burns, Jos butler, Jack leech, Jimmy Anderson, Broad need to go... Bring in some fresh blood .
Morgan, regardless of form in red ball cricket, should have been a regular in the test team for the past 5 - 6 years as he has so much respect from the players, is a great cricketing mind and even if he isn't captain, is reliable to hold his cool under pressure.
I've been reading in the media over here in Australia they want to introduce a new first class team here and allow more english players per team in an attempt to strengthen english cricket
Worst I've ever seen England bat home or away...its that bad it's made the rest of England's game completely irrelevant...dosent matter how good we bowl or how good we field its irrelevant because of the batting...a new batting coach is needed for the short term that is for sure and some new faces...but long term I don't even know where to start 😔
It's the English sports mentality of bottling everything, no fight...no grit or determination. I've actually made a bit of money on England collapsing this Ashes tour, the only good thing is David Gower in this role excellent valid points 👌🏻
David Gower all so well stated and set out - why is the establishment still not getting a true selector or selection panel of your stature and of your fellow generation that spoke there minds
Covid excuse is nonsense. India toured australia in bio bubble and won the series. India toured England and are leading 2-1. The fact is this English team is holy sh it. Their priority has become leagues.
England moved all their focus towards the limited over games and they have had amazing results there. It did seem like it came at the expense of their focus on tests, but I’m sure they will figure it out and put out an amazing test team too! Bowling wise they are already well equipped with Archer and Wood, so they need to work on the bench strength a bit. Batting wise, then need a complete reset. Their current batsmen are the ones who have been letting them down consistently and that’s where the big changes need to be incorporated
Regarding how can England team be better prepared for Test cricket, and by extension any nation who wants to develop better test players - I think every red ball competition in each test playing nation needs to include a team or two made up of a mix of players from each country that could play in the domestic competitions. This could have the added benefit of people being more interested in the red ball domestic competitions. For example, The Sheffeild Sheild in Australia attracts only a handful of spectators, being able to see more internationals would help with this, as well as help up and coming players hone their skills. Further to this, the ongoing issue of teams not having sufficient preparation games when touring would not be as much of an issue. Each team made up of international players could switch to a different nation each season so that they would get experience in different climates and wickets. Or players could be moved around from team to team depending on their International test teams season play schedule.
Gower was kind to English cricket compared to many pundits l heard.. But most importantly he has offered solutions instead of just bashing them like so many. Australia made so many mistakes and won 4-0. Thats the scary thing.
I think his point was that English players are at the IPL during part of the English summer. Where as this isn't the case fot the Australian's as the IPL is in the cooler months when cricket isn't played.
Gower is right, of course. I just wish he had been this animated and shown this passion when he was England captain. He played in an era when England had a decent team and Australia were relatively weak. Slight exaggeration about winning The World Cup. 7,956 years to be precise. It only took 44 years of trying, not 8,000.
Blaming IPL again? What about hundred? It was ECB who invented T20 cricket. Nobody forces english players to IPL. biggest reason for decline in english test team performance is ECB took deliberate steps since 2015 to prioritize white ball/one day cricket and test cricket become secondary.
Silverwood definitely should go. I think Root could thrive as Captain with a different support network, coaching and selection. I'm an Aussie supporter but I really feel for him.
Gower was a quality batsman, without doubt. He could give experienced constructive lessons to the current horrible English national team. England deserves an end to cricketing embarrassment. Dismissal of the selectors is the obvious first step .
Spot on David! The idiocy of selections has key England down. The batting was appalling apart from a few cameos. The bowlers did their jobs but selectors were horribly wrong. Let’s hope they get their act together. Thanks
Mr gower Root doesnt play IPL So does broad, anderson Malan has played like 2 matches and so does mark wood Woakes,stokes,butler,bairstow,archer opted out of second leg of IPL Burns,Crawley,Popey wont even make to auctions.
Why blame it on the IPL? Aussies also play IPL and still did so well. Don’t find excuses for the fact that test team has been really bad for a period of time now and only competitive in England.
@@monamdulla1706 The real reason is something else. It's the pitches that are played in the domestic competition that are too bowler friendly. As a result no batsman have the confidence to travel outside and score big runs. The exaggerated conditions makes some really ordinary bowlers completely unplayable. Aussies even had a whatsapp group while playing county cricket called `Stevo's gonna get ya` . No offence to the player, but this over importance given to keep the wickets more bowler friendly have led to the batsmen coming out of the system to have very little confidence to play outside England. Look at the batting average of some of the domestic players, are there any standout players that are banging on the door.
@@monamdulla1706 Then why do they play ?? Just for money obviously... Lmao I think we should learn how to give excuses like Britishers When u guys play in India and lose then it is the pitch and when u guys lose to aus then it is ipl .... Wow
England test batting is reflection of their white ball game, which is too attacking for test format they don't have batsman like Pujara,Latham, elgar, karunaratne etc .who can control the game in a way and batsman can play around them.
As an Aussie, I've admired David Gower both as a player and commentator. He's a class act.
But introducing "The Hundred" was a marvellous idea because of all the practice it allowed our test players to get...
Just before a test series against a No. 2 ranked team.
England been playing t20 cricket in test matches
The hundred is solely a marketing tool for the Women's game and has been launched at the expense of test cricket. There are not 18 female County teams so it wasn't possible to tag it onto the blast. We now have the best month for county and 50 over cricket being wasted on a format no one else plays. If they want to promote the women's game, using the mens to tag it onto, the men have to be worth watching, and the format being played needs relevance.
T-20 was really quite enough - but NO! ... We HAD to come up with something else like the 100 to pull some money away from the IPL, didn't we? Cricket be damned!
@@echochamber8350 do u know Indian viewership???🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gower, one of my favourite players, so stylish, elegant, superb timer of a cricket ball, and also a fantastic commentator.
💯💯💯
👍 any Indian player who deserves such great words? 🙂
@@jknayak7132 Yes, little master Gavaskar and Dravid.
Weak captain though. He let Botham dominate proceedings.
@@portcullis5622 The only captain who could handle Botham was the great Mike Brearley!
Does any English players play in the Sheffield shield in the winter months? There's plenty of Aussies playing English county cricket which means they get to play test cricket all year round.
Dawid boi woke up and chose violence today 😆😆😆🙌🙌
Are they actually not allowed to play? I just thought it was the case that there are only six state teams and our players aren't good enough. They should go and play first grade cricket and work their way up.
It doesn't matter. Which Indian player plays in Australia or England? Players didn't apply themselves, plain & simple! County cricket isn't producing fast bowlers, spin bowlers nor opening batsmen!
I've been saying this for years too
@@varunchauhan7267 Indian players play in the county championship fairly often
David Gower, my favourite English Batsmen. Such an elegant, classy player.
Wonderful to see Gower so strident. Just a brilliant personality- miss him.
Miss him?? Did he die?
he's literally alive.
Miss him..😂😂hes there talking fine...
@@javaChai He's no longer on British TV unfortunately. I believe he "retired" last year.
@@magoop17 He's no longer on British TV unfortunately. I believe he was "retired" last year.
Gower spitting nothing but FACTS. ECB need to take a long hard look at themselves.
They do; how else would they keep their £200 ties straight at the champagne gala. The problem is that they like what they're seeing and no one else does.
Playing in IPL effecting their test cricket but not 100 ball tournament. Great thinking
So weird seeing Gower like this. Not because he's short of opinions. Just because he was the one asking questions on Sky Sports for years. I must say, I really like it. It'd be great if Nass, Athers, Key, and Ward had Gower as a guest on one of their vodcasts.
Absolutely. Well said.
Good Shout
Would definitely make a change from Rob Key's bleatings.
They're Sky, this is BT.
@@heliumtrophy Aw, I like Rob
and his bleatings. He's a bit of a throwback in many ways.
It's safe to say that England's test cricket has hit the rock bottom. Inconsistent opening pair, too much dependency on Root, few bowlers limited to certain bowling conditions and so many players fighting for their place in the team.
Well said
One good series post this and we forget what happened .. ups and downs do happen we should not get judgemental
Lowest we've been was in the 90s, but not much lower
The Australian team was in a similar state for a while after the great team of Waugh's era. After a few bad years, we found a very good core group of players in all formats. It might take a little while, but the same will happen for English cricket.
Indian test cricket also hit rock bottom losing to inexperienced sa side...middle order total flop...only pace bowling looking good...openers also inconsistent... captain is a choker
We were so bad even the Australian team looked like they wished the series had been more competitive!
England made Scott Boland look like the greatest test bowler of all time.
@@peternagy-im4be because he is🤣
18 wickets at 9.6 avg is godly stats😅
@@peternagy-im4be exactly
@@VMKAROUND365 Yes not bad.
2005, McGrath says 5-0: England fans could say their team can prove him wrong, somehow they won as well!
Had Cummins/ Hazelwood said 5-0 at the series start: England fans- "Absolutely!"
England test batting is the where all the problems are
The Aussies were 1 wicket away from winning 5 nil this time. England got lucky it rained most of the time in Sydney
@@hez5354
Statistically now they won't be the worst English team to tour Australia but it's obvious they are
@@nitlover8319 2006/7 England the worst ... while Aussies were the strongest as well
@@wwenov1830 the 06 team certainly had better batsmen. Cook, strauss, Collingwood, Pietersen and bell all averaged over 40. Only root does that in this team
I've hardly seen Gower being asked for his opinion before.... usually its him who's interviewing Boycott or Willis as a moderator 😃 happy that he kept banging on the real underlying issue like Boycott does - the red ball issues stemming from England's county system as well as the coaching and selection hierarchy.
Gower has been so straight forward and to the point at BT sport
England has neglected test cricket for a long time and now enduring the punishment. It's time to hit the reset button.
I disagree with Gower when he talks about the IPL.
Burns, Hameed, Crawley, Root, Pope, Wokes, Wood, Robinson, Anderson, Broad, Leach dont play the IPL. Stokes hasnt played any cricket for six months. They do play The Hundred though.
The fact is England have themselves to blame for their horrible test form.
IPL is a soft target for everyone.Funny thing is that Bairstow is one of few who play IPL regularly and he is the only centurion for England.
He's insinuating about Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes not playing in county and depriving counties of their quality.
Honestly IpL has nothing to do with English players struggling in tests. Even the Hundred cannot be blamed because all the test players played just two games during the monsoon
Typical English Attitude. Never take the responsibility and blame it on somebody else.
@@seventhuser904 no. That's Indias thing for sure. + There's a bunch of players that would of been better in this squad who couldn't play because of the IPL. And now they only play white ball. Livingstone being an example of that
@@thegingerbread2241 Indian thing ?? Lmao thats irony 🤣🤣 ..... Now go and cry .. England can never beat Australia in Australia ..... Lmao it is not a cup of tea for every team especially England .... Go and find excuses for future games mate
Wonderful by Gower..exactly made the point..
As an Aussie, growing up from the 60’s through, I absolutely loved, admired & respected David Gower as a player! Now as a commentator, analyst of the game, David is fantastic! I’d really hoped the Poms could’ve turned things around during the series but obviously that didn’t happen. They were seemingly just not cohesive, interested as a team & relied on too few. I loved the days when The Ashes was a blood & guts contest! Hoping England gets back to the days of old, but not enough to beat us!👍🏼🤣
Wow! It was good to see one of the English greats again with David Gower .
Their best players became journalists when they needed them in the coaching ranks. Gower, Nasser Hassain, Atherton, Vaughan and Cook are all pundits taking pot shots when they could use their expertise on the ground. Who's Silverwood? and Giles was an average spin bowler. At least with Langer we know we are getting a hard nosed street fighter, even Lehmann was pretty hard nosed and played a lot of games at the top level. We were down and out after sandpaper gate but look how quick we bounced back. Take their breath mints away and Mcgrath didn't roll his ankle and that series also would have been different.
Ian Kearns , I still say the answer for English lays with the old school boys, Boycott , Botham etc . I just commented on Gower and co because I used to pull sickies from work and go watch the ashes matches at the MCG when they are playing .
@@iankearns774 I heard from Mike Atherton & co, being I think Keys?… He reckons we as in the Poms need Ponting!💪🏻😡👍🏻
All things are cyclical. Yes there are issues in the county cricket system but the 4-0 loss could have been predicted. I was at the Edgbaston test when Australia last visited and it was clear, despite the drawn series, that England were miles off the pace and should have been beaten comfortably. Better batting and much better bowling lineup. This was in English conditions not the hard tracks of Australia.
Broad and Anderson have continuously failed to take enough wickets in Australian conditions. For Australia we need pace. Wood performed well but we needed a fit on song Jofra Archer and A N other.
Great insights from Glenn McGrath.
County cricket isn't to blame. ECB introduced the Hundred which in one year has destroyed county cricket. Also, scheduling the county championship in April, May and September is a massive mistake. They should be playing county cricket in June - August when the pitches are at their best.
I remember when Gower scored what turned out to be his final century in cricket (Hampshire vs Sussex at Portsmouth - when Hampshire used to play in cities and actually bothered with representing the whole county, rather than just the Borough of Eastleigh) and he got a standing ovation from the wicket back to pavilion. Was a very emotional moment, as it was very likely it was to be his final ton, coming 3 weeks before the end of his retirement season. Wonderful batsman, and a true gentleman too.
His commentary during the latest THRashes series was some consolation for the appalling cricket being broadcasted. Great to see he is still at the top of his game with the microphone. My favourite England player ever.
My dad has met him many a time in the 70's while he was playing at Leicestershire. Apparently he's a real gent and always has time for people. He was fantastic for Leicestershire back in the day
This is David Gower.
Imagine what Boycott or Bob Willis would have said.
Boycott would've had steam coming out his ears
Where is boycott for this series
Yes. Oh I miss Bob Willis tear downs
@@hez5354 he has an article in Daily telegraph today
If only I could hear Willis. He would have gone to town.
He was the most elegant left hand batsmen of my childhood. A gentlemen of the game. Love David Gower!
Lose in India: blame the pitches
Lose in Australia: blame the IPL
Exactly! Easy to blame India!!
just like india always find excuses to hide their defeat.....
and dont bring player from uk....that's it
LoL! He asked a very valid question! Unlike England India don't blame other factors like they do constantly. Don't try to paint it as one off event for England!
@@inception7216 Kindly throw light on any excuses india made after their defeat 🙏🙏
@@abhishekkarn8869 last south africa tour
one can feel David Gower's frustration. A true genuine cricket brain. England's defeat is not good for cricket at all. This is extremely disappointing to see England playing like a club team.
Love David Gower. Brilliant batsman. In my opinion even better commentator. Great analyzer. Cricket legend
I am not even a cricket fan but remember seeing him in a corner shop opposite the Cradock pub in Knighton, Leicester, chatting to the owner when I was a student at Leicester University in 1989. He seemed pleasant and there was a sense of presence about him. I think he lived not too far away at the time. He always makes thoughtful contributions to any programme he is on.
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Those who beat England also play IPL
Warner Smith Cummins Hazelwood etc
Root Burns Crawly Robinson are not Playing IPL
England is worst cricketing team😂😂😂 they are know only for inventing cricket and have always struggled while playing outside england
blaming it on IPL is idiotic when 100 ball cricket is played at home
'Fine, we won a world cup, the first time in 8000 years of trying.' Lol. Someone had to take Bob Willis' king of cricket-sass throne. Glad it's Gower.
About the IPL affecting test cricket: India's rise as a good/great test team that can win abroad - to a point where it is surprising if they lose - happened after the birth of the IPL.
India and Australia have shown that it is IS possible to have some sort of balance between the two. Harder for countries that don't have the resources that India and Australia do, but England doesn't belong in the category of test playing nations with little resources. There really is no excuse or explanation other than the ECB's strategic focus on whiteball cricket - on and off the field - has come at the cost of not paying any attention to the red ball.
Well said David Gower. It takes a detached person to give an honest assessment of the state of english cricket
He didn't seem very detached to me. In fact, more fired up than I can ever remember. It's a pity he wasn't like that when he was batting, getting out to those lazy wafts outside off-stump.
Gower is a polite, elegant Gentleman. His passion is contagious. I admire him as an Australian
When playing, Gower didn't like county cricket - he considered it almost a chore to play County Championship games. For him, the focus was always on playing for your country. What we need are players who are totally committed to achieving a level where they can be successful in tests as a priority, instead of working out how to play clever shots that allow them to score quickly in the short game, and bowlers who want to send the ball down with fire in their belly as opposed to concentrating on the line and length of the IPL or Hundred. As David says, tests should ALWAYS be considered the most important format of cricket. The Ashes is the crowning glory of any English or Aussie cricketer's career and anything, or anyone, who dumbs that down is making a mistake.
Man, this dude is even elegant when he's tearing into stuff.
It's easy blaming T20 cricket and IPL but majority of English test players don't play much IPL. Domestic cricket is what matters. Do these guys have confidence to bat for long periods of time there
McGrath was there listening to Gower and having that “laughter in his mind”
It's interesting how Gower, Hussain and Atherton found same punching bag (IPL) and all of them are supposed to be independent thinkers
Australian players also play IPL. No need to downgrade our tournament. They need to focus on first-class domestic cricket. In the same squad, there are 5-6 Aussie players who have played IPL at the same time English players were playing IPL.
From the moment they decided to bat first on a green top at the Gabba the series was going to be an uphill battle. Joe Root a classy player but not a leader. Not a lot of belief in their abilities and showed no backbone when it really mattered as a team. Dismal all around.
Root still did carry Eng vs India all summer in 2021, leading from the front with his hundreds. Even with that, Eng couldn't do well. The main problem is the system no doubt. Everyone focuses in t20 cricket, all of England's best known players r in the IPL. The whole system needs to focus on setting a goal, win Ashes 2023, and win the WTC 2023-25 could be the benchmark. The white ball team set a goal to win WC 2019 and it worked.
The real reason is something else. It's the pitches that are played in the domestic competition that are too bowler friendly. As a result no batsman have the confidence to travel outside and score big runs. The exaggerated conditions makes some really ordinary bowlers completely unplayable. Aussies even had a whatsapp group while playing county cricket called `Stevo's gonna get ya` . No offence to the player, but this over importance given to keep the wickets more bowler friendly have led to the batsmen coming out of the system to have very little confidence to play outside England. Look at the batting average of some of the domestic players, are there any standout players that are banging on the door.
Nailed it
Stop talking about pitches mate. Irrelevant.
@@peternagy-im4be why not talk about the pitches Peter ?
Didn’t we used to say that about the Aussies? Pitches too flat here, unlike English pitches?
I’m an English man. How come on the same wicket, Australia managed to get from 3 for 12 to 303 all out yet England crumbled from 0 for 68 to all out for 124. Both teams batted and bold on the same wicket.
Incredible to think Sky let Gower go!
I love the analysis of David Gower. Spot on.
Gower is an old fashioned Cricketing Gentleman from England who are rare these days. Speaks the English language better than most of his countryman with every passing year less and less English people speak the English language well and always gives good analysis when it comes to cricket. Love listening to the guy. Also was wonderful batsman to watch. Thankfully we have youtube. Great technique and timing on the ball. Not a slogger at all. Yet keeps the scoreboard ticking along fast. His shots are all text book cricketing technique. To go to some of his late 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s knocks to see what he was like.
So England players played bad because they play in IPL? Wow! That's some point to note, didn't Australian players also played IPL? How come they performed so brilliantly? I agree that England cricket is focusing too much on white ball & even trying to go one up over IPL by introducing 100 but IPL has become hobby for these people.
In short loss in India : Blame the pitch
Loss in Australia : Blame IPL!! 👍
Pat josh smith Warner are really struggling in tests due to IPL and the English squad had so many playing IPL the openers are playing for MI aren't they .. lol
Must say THE HUNDRED has done a very good job to enhance the quality of English batters in test cricket.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, I know about the covid situation , and apart from the fact that the Aussies were a superior side. We went there with hardly any prep. Normally an England side would play the state sides before and inbetween test matches. I think this tour was badly planned.
England were here for a month before the GABBA test. They played 2 games England vs England Lions and 1 game Australia A vs England A. The weather played a significant role this summer. We had Tropical Cyclone Seth playing havoc as well as another TC Tiffany. I think the stop-go decision making around covid restrictions also hindered plans. On the other side of the coin, England has had a lot more test cricket these last 2 years than Australia has..
@@MELODYMUNRO Hi, thanks for that, but again, I think England v England Lions is not a great prep.
@@martinklein4651 Well, the England Tigers were not available.
@@VV-lq4di lol
@@VV-lq4di very good.
Talking about IPL, the country that hosts it ,is number 1 in tests. India have never won T20 WC after after starting IPL. All the 11 Indian test players play in IPL, but few English players out of their test squad feature in IPL. Still IPL destroyed your test format. Ridiculous.
How is IPL Responsible for Englands Ashes drubbing in Australia ???
Test will always be the ultimate, beautiful, purer form of the game ❤️
If the English spent less time crying about the IPL and more time making competitive pitches at home they'd not be whining at the end of every away series, the IPL only goes on for 2 months a year and guess who else plays in it,the Aussies and Indians themselves, they don't seem to be losing series' because of it, pitches and the IPL are the top two reasons the old Englishmen have to hide their own team's shortcomings
Miss Gower on sky, still staggers me why you'd let such a brilliant presenter, anchor, commentator, leave your coverage unbelievable really.
David Gower is suggesting england players should play psl instead of IPL to get better at test cricket !!
"Root is not being supported. " Is that the reason why he makes horrible calls in the field?? Be it bringing in bowlers and setting fields? Have people forgotten Ahmedabad, Lords, Gabba??? He has no tactical awareness.. not one bit
No need to go Gaga over England .England is doing fine in cricket comparing that its not their most popular sport ! Cricket in India is the most popular sport enjoys top facilities , riches and pool of population but still we are not able to dominate ! What other countries achieve in cricket is what india would expect to do in Olympics or Hockey !
Mcgrath laughing inside😂
Get gower and botham to run the england test team. If nothing else, at least the players wud enjoy themselves in a relaxed enviroment.atm its toxic playing for england.
He is not, any cricket fan wants to see a good contest
The entire setup is confused. The selections are misguided. It seems like there’s a culture of relying on stats which simply has to to stop. Whomever is telling them to bat on off-stump needs binning immediately. The ECB need to get their act together, and sharpish.
I remember asking for David Gower’s autograph at Trent Bridge. I didn’t have a pen with me, so he offered to go back to the studio to get one! Real class
Thanks for your opinion Glenn.
He is blaming IPL 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 how intelligent and thought provoking
well done David England test team and back room have lost their way as good as white ball cricket is TEST cricket is real cricket look back at its history body line nearly split the Empire,Jim Laker and his wickets the 3ws,The Don,,all the great batsmen from India and much more this is what cricket is built on 5 days of fight and skill
They're still running away from the Root cause, It's Not IPL or The Hundred. It's the quality of players.
Yes it’s the fault of IPL. There are more Australian players playing in IPL than English players. Wondering why genius didn’t mention about Hundred.
As a sort of occasional spectator at County Championship cricket, it is clear from the attendances that very few people are interested in it. It is hardly surprising that the most accomplished English cricketers see their priorities elsewhere.
Classy player and Classy Comments and we need real competitive test matches and not this farce.
Spot on mate 💕👍
Its not that they lost 4, 0 , its how they lost. It looks like they wherent even trying . These English legends have to watch on this debacle . Gowers comments are spot on, but Botham said they where gutless , i have to agree.
Atherton summed up it saying the defining image was Robinson getting bowled while backing away so much he was barely on the cut strip.
Blaming IPL for poor test performance ?? What abt Australia then ?? Also There are hardly any IPL contracted players playing test for England . Gower need to rethink
Very glad to see BT has picked up Gower
Australian players also play IPL, then just won t20wc and ashes, David gower can't say anything against the stupid Hundred, but always gives IPL as a reason for England's failure in tests.
Absolutely strongly agreed what David grower saying
Gower teared it up gracefully
Why blame the ipl ? Crawley, Broad, Burns, Anderson, Malan, Root, Leach don't participate in the ipl itself. Just accept, Australians were far better prepared and highly skilled
They were better because they play more first class cricket in Australian conditions…England players do not and had no prep
@@jakehowie442 did the India team play first class cricket in Australia? Plain excuses!
he is blaming the focus on white ball cricket not specifically the ipl
Malan plays in IPL
@@varunchauhan7267 All i hear in New Zealand is Indians making excuses for losing. Pitches , conditions and the weather. Kings of whinging and whining.
As an Indian, it has been amusing when everytime England loses in India it is the "poor pitches" but when India loses in England it's "can't play on seaming pitches". This attitude is least discussed by England experts and fans.
And then all they have is blame the IPL when almost none of their test top order plays in the IPL.
Not only this when match finishes in 3 days in India we have enquiry because pitch was not good. But if it happens in ashes it's good cricket.
As a die hard fan of test cricket, it's sad to see England's downfall as a test playing nation and it obviously has to do with players concentrating more on white ball cricket but more than that it's about England's reluctance to look beyond a few tried and tested players.
Rory burns, Jos butler, Jack leech, Jimmy Anderson, Broad need to go... Bring in some fresh blood .
Morgan, regardless of form in red ball cricket, should have been a regular in the test team for the past 5 - 6 years as he has so much respect from the players, is a great cricketing mind and even if he isn't captain, is reliable to hold his cool under pressure.
Love David’s voice/accent 👍
Every word of Gower is Gold. Save Test Cricket, it's Men's game.
I've been reading in the media over here in Australia they want to introduce a new first class team here and allow more english players per team in an attempt to strengthen english cricket
Worst I've ever seen England bat home or away...its that bad it's made the rest of England's game completely irrelevant...dosent matter how good we bowl or how good we field its irrelevant because of the batting...a new batting coach is needed for the short term that is for sure and some new faces...but long term I don't even know where to start 😔
This is as bad as the dark days under Atherton when we were bottom of the world
Sack the head coach Chris silverwood the day he has entered as a coach England has only lost games completely why can't ECB understand.
11 tail enders
Hopefully things get better.
all the same things were said after the last ashes series in Australia. Nothing will change.
Well said and spot on.
It's the English sports mentality of bottling everything, no fight...no grit or determination. I've actually made a bit of money on England collapsing this Ashes tour, the only good thing is David Gower in this role excellent valid points 👌🏻
David Gower all so well stated and set out - why is the establishment still not getting a true selector or selection panel of your stature and of your fellow generation that spoke there minds
Covid excuse is nonsense. India toured australia in bio bubble and won the series. India toured England and are leading 2-1. The fact is this English team is holy sh it. Their priority has become leagues.
One of my favorite batsman.
England moved all their focus towards the limited over games and they have had amazing results there. It did seem like it came at the expense of their focus on tests, but I’m sure they will figure it out and put out an amazing test team too!
Bowling wise they are already well equipped with Archer and Wood, so they need to work on the bench strength a bit.
Batting wise, then need a complete reset. Their current batsmen are the ones who have been letting them down consistently and that’s where the big changes need to be incorporated
Regarding how can England team be better prepared for Test cricket, and by extension any nation who wants to develop better test players - I think every red ball competition in each test playing nation needs to include a team or two made up of a mix of players from each country that could play in the domestic competitions. This could have the added benefit of people being more interested in the red ball domestic competitions. For example, The Sheffeild Sheild in Australia attracts only a handful of spectators, being able to see more internationals would help with this, as well as help up and coming players hone their skills. Further to this, the ongoing issue of teams not having sufficient preparation games when touring would not be as much of an issue. Each team made up of international players could switch to a different nation each season so that they would get experience in different climates and wickets. Or players could be moved around from team to team depending on their International test teams season play schedule.
Gower was kind to English cricket compared to many pundits l heard.. But most importantly he has offered solutions instead of just bashing them like so many.
Australia made so many mistakes and won 4-0.
Thats the scary thing.
'they're at the IPL..'
urm so are the Aussies and Indian players and they're doing just fine in test cricket..?
I think his point was that English players are at the IPL during part of the English summer. Where as this isn't the case fot the Australian's as the IPL is in the cooler months when cricket isn't played.
@@aaronspargo4222 yeah
@@aaronspargo4222 Ah okay. Yes that makes sense 👍
@@aaronspargo4222 spot on
@@aaronspargo4222 then why play hundred and t20blast in the middle of season pushing county schedule
Gower is right, of course. I just wish he had been this animated and shown this passion when he was England captain. He played in an era when England had a decent team and Australia were relatively weak.
Slight exaggeration about winning The World Cup. 7,956 years to be precise. It only took 44 years of trying, not 8,000.
David Gower ❤️
Blaming IPL again? What about hundred? It was ECB who invented T20 cricket. Nobody forces english players to IPL. biggest reason for decline in english test team performance is ECB took deliberate steps since 2015 to prioritize white ball/one day cricket and test cricket become secondary.
Silverwood definitely should go. I think Root could thrive as Captain with a different support network, coaching and selection. I'm an Aussie supporter but I really feel for him.
I wasn't that dissapointed, we drew one match, overall above expectations.
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Gower was a quality batsman, without doubt. He could give experienced constructive lessons to the current horrible English national team. England deserves an end to cricketing embarrassment. Dismissal of the selectors is the obvious first step .
Spot on David! The idiocy of selections has key England down. The batting was appalling apart from a few cameos. The bowlers did their jobs but selectors were horribly wrong. Let’s hope they get their act together. Thanks
Bob Willis would be proud of his words
Mr gower
Root doesnt play IPL
So does broad, anderson
Malan has played like 2 matches and so does mark wood
Woakes,stokes,butler,bairstow,archer opted out of second leg of IPL
Burns,Crawley,Popey wont even make to auctions.
Why blame it on the IPL? Aussies also play IPL and still did so well. Don’t find excuses for the fact that test team has been really bad for a period of time now and only competitive in England.
Because the seasons are different. What with England and Australia being on opposite sides of the world... Not that hard to work out is it.
@@monamdulla1706 so then don't participate in auctions simple as that
@@monamdulla1706 who from this english team plays IPL except bairstow , they just want to blame IPL for everything .
@@monamdulla1706 The real reason is something else. It's the pitches that are played in the domestic competition that are too bowler friendly. As a result no batsman have the confidence to travel outside and score big runs. The exaggerated conditions makes some really ordinary bowlers completely unplayable. Aussies even had a whatsapp group while playing county cricket called `Stevo's gonna get ya` . No offence to the player, but this over importance given to keep the wickets more bowler friendly have led to the batsmen coming out of the system to have very little confidence to play outside England. Look at the batting average of some of the domestic players, are there any standout players that are banging on the door.
@@monamdulla1706 Then why do they play ?? Just for money obviously... Lmao I think we should learn how to give excuses like Britishers
When u guys play in India and lose then it is the pitch and when u guys lose to aus then it is ipl .... Wow
England test batting is reflection of their white ball game, which is too attacking for test format they don't have batsman like Pujara,Latham, elgar, karunaratne etc .who can control the game in a way and batsman can play around them.