SILVER AND GOLD BULLION GETS CLEANED! Does My Dealer Think I'm CRAZY?!
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In this video my bullion dealer weighs in on cleaning gold and silver coins and bullion. Should you remove the tarnish on silver? Does toning really come off with a dip? Do copper red spots come off gold? What about "milk spots" on silver? The answers may surprise you! Watch as I discuss with Tim Marschner of The Coin and Stamp Shop whether one should clean various gold and silver coins and bullion. And then witness the results of cleaning precious metals with E-Z-Est! Never before has stacking precious metals been as important to do as it is today. Protect yourself from out-of-control governments, evil central banks, and the failing US dollar's grip as the world's reserve currency. Make sure you build a stack of silver rounds, silver bars, silver coins, and gold coins as essential barter and wealth preservation!
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Thanks for taking me along, Yankee!! This was FUN!!!!
I honestly think it all looked better before it was dipped… After being dipped it had a chemical crystalline look to it. If that makes “cents” lol. Thanks for being the guinea for me on this one Yankee! I have a bunch of 2020 Libertad’s all denominations of that year. All my 1oz’s are starting to get that same black oxidation ring around the reed of the coin’s too.
Baking soda tin foil boiling water to clean silver can’t beat it.
It lets my cull silver eagles look Shiny New again...😅
I take it that you mean aluminum foil for this process?
That's right @@edb3877
pls do a vid for us @dudeguy914?
I've done it on just silver rounds, and it works great. Definitely do not want to clean any numismatic coins. 👍👍
I really prefer as is, no cleaning. To each his own.
Friends don't let friends clean coins.
You guys are always the best, times are difficult on a lot of us , Thank you Yankee and Tim for the smiles and the education.
God bless you both and all of you reading this 🙏🏼🕊️✝️
Back in the 70's and 80's I remember my dad and I cleaning nearly every coin we bought. Looking back, I wish we hadn't done that.
I don't have any of those coins anymore. Nowadays, I don't clean any coins, and I won't buy a cleaned coin.
maybe you just "restored" them, lol
@kabuti2839 Nope, we cleaned them.
My dad's type set is still at Mom's house. It makes me sad to think how much value we cleaned away from what would have been a very, very nice collection.
Bingo! Correcto Mundo! Glad to see lessons learned! Your last sentence is brilliant.
Actually looks like it made the milk spotted ones worse
I consider milk spots a security feature
That's what I was thinking too! It looked like it made the bad ones worse.
It did make them way worse.
I bought a whole roll of 1881S Morgan dollars recently. They had been in a house that flooded when the river got up. They were horrible-looking and I got the plenty cheap. I dipped them all and they came out looking like they were minted a week ago.
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I’ve noticed those black gasket capsules have toned up a bunch of my coins I wanted to keep from toning. I’ll never buy the gasket capsules again.
I too noticed a similar issue with black ring capsules. I have two silver rounds on my bookcase, the round in a capsule with black ring has toning around the rim, while the non-gasket capsule doesn't.
According to its datasheet, eZest coin cleaner is based on sulfuric acid and thiourea. Do not use it on jewelry it there's a steel spring in the clasp, or if the ensemble uses pearls, corals, opals, ivory, fossils and other fragile materials.
Baking soda hot water and tin foil is the best thing I've used.
Same here. If I may add:
•I use distilled water rather than tap water.
•I also use 2 glass containers in addition to the baking soda, foil and distilled water. One glass with distilled H20 as a first “rinse”. Then then the second container as a final rinse through. Air dry on a cotton towel and they look Fantastic!
@@healthywealthywise Thank you for the additional steps. I will definitely try that out.
@@healthywealthywise How is it with milk spotting?
Thanks. Interesting experiment. On the Libertad I would say I would not have dipped it, I actually liked the rim toning that was starting to form. Just my preference on that though. Some people also prefer the bars when they tone up. Each to their own.
you have shown me why not to clean coins thank you.
Tim is a good Guy, I’d do business with him all day any day.
Heat works wonders on the copper spots on gold coins. Tuli showed it in one of her vids.
Worked perfectly
Milk spots are a part of an improperly washed/rinsed planchet prior to striking. Nothing will remove them as they are a permanent part of the planchet/struck coin.
You can definitely remove most if not all milk spots. Yes you will have micro scratches but it’s better than milk. You must have never heard of a jewelers cloth.
When you line a bowl, or some other container that will hold water with aluminum foil, shinny side up. Then you sprinkle baking soda directly on top of the aluminum foil, then you put the coins you want cleaned on top of that. Then you add more baking soda on top of the coins. After that you boil water, and add the boiling water into the bowl lined with aluminum foil and baking soda surrounding your coins. It works every time! Just only use soft tissues to remove the excess baking soda, don't scrub the coins. And it will leave your coins you want cleaned shinny and bring out the luster. It works much better than this stuff. Don't clean numismatic coins. Only bullion, common stuff, or anything else that's only worth melt anyways.👍
thanks!
I’ll be sure to practice one current day currency coins until I dial it in!
Copper spots come off with a butane torch-easiest way/ezest works great 👍🏼
Yes to a butane lighter! On old gold red spots. Done it with no chemicals, just the heat.
Very interesting video about what is okay and not okay to clean. Although, it kind of looked like it made the milk spotting seem to become worse. The rest of the coins, bars came out much better looking for sure. Thanks for making this video with Tim's advice!
Is it just me but did "cleaning" these make every single one look worse.. lost the details and even the shine...
I agree. Some of them still had some of their original "mint luster" which they lost once they were cleaned. They looked "dull" to me after they were cleaned.
I collect vintage USSC one ounce art bar made from 1973-1975 and LOVE them with toning.
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I have destroyed copper coins by using E-Z-Est. I'm glad you're wearing gloves -- I learned that lesson the hard way. I let my coins soak in clean water for about 15 minutes after then run water over them (not well water). Failure to rinse adequately will result in awful black spots. I watched a video where a guy cracked out his graded coins, dipped them, then sent them back for grading. None of them came back as cleaned and a couple of them were graded a notch higher. I have dipped a lot of my coins. If you blast-white a well-circulated coin it will look a little weird -- just a matter of one's personal preference. I've never dipped any of the gold coins. Cautionary note -- the product will etch a stainless-steel sink.
Not for copper. Only for silver and gold.
Neat video ! FJB 💕😺😺 Thank you !
Looks like the fields get roughed up.
I know a guy that gets the copper spots off his gold with a small quick hit with a torch. Take the red out of the gold. No harm to the gold.
I have used ezest, and I dipped on average of 10 to 15 seconds for the best results. And I highly recommend rinsing and using dawn dish soap to completely remove the ezest.
Thank you gentlemen for the video.
Tim certainly was correct about the dip highlighting scratches and imperfections.
I've used the aluminum / baking soda method at home and have had excellent results with that!
I personally prefer cleaning junk silver with baking soda and hot water in an aluminum pie tin. It can clean almost any level of gunk. I get the whole circulated look thing, but sometimes the filth is overwhelmingly disgusting and the coin may even be more trusted for barter by newbs if cleaned to look like gleaming silver again.
That was fun to watch! Ty
Some of those pieces look worse! Maybe they need another rinse?
I don't know from personal experience, but I've read articles where acetone was used to remove milk spots. Those two pieces you had were more like a milk mess than milk spots. Give the acetone a try; you've got nothin' to lose with those two items.
Acetone is a good solvent for many things but should be used very carefully. It's incredibly flammable and easily forms
explosive mixtures with air that can be set off via a static electric spark. See the online MSDS for info on this before using.
Thanks Yankee for the demonstration
hi Yankee. I've been adding a roll of constitutional silver every week for the last two years to my stack. I put a roll at a time in a cleaning pot for 20 minutes and they come out beautiful every time.
Method description?
This was very interesting and informative. Thanks! I like the baking soda, tin foil and boiling water method too. Just resist the urge to rub the coin before giving it a good rinse. I like shiny Benjies. If they are toned I don't touch them. I figure with 90% Constitutional it's not going to hurt the value so why not have pretty silver ;-)
Thanks once again Yankee and Tim for an informative and entertaining video. God bless you guys.
It's good to have options.
I’m driving through Manchester NH tomorrow I’m gonna stop by Tim’s.
Wish I was doing a ride along, be safe on the road.
Thanks for sharing.
thanks for calling it constitutional silver and not junk silver.
Looks like the Libertad field came out grainy.
I would avoid Any cleaner on coins or bullion.
I bought a peace dollar for 25$. I cleaned it with warm water, baking soda, and aluminum foil. Cleaned it up real nice. Sold it for 60.
Worked incredibly well on some of those. I want some now for wifes jewelry and perhaps some coinage. Might use this for some minimal value wheat pennies and constitutional stuff just for a display piece on the wall. just do one or 2 of each pre 64 penny up to 1/2 dollar of whatever isn't rare/special. Would be cool to show folks who visit while it's in shadowbox on the wall. Conversation starter type thing.
Great video with Tim 😊 🇺🇸
I’ve been dipping a few cull and heavily handled bullion and coins for years. Always impressed with the outcome.
Wow so much information great people passing it on thank you
That was fun. Thanks Yankee
Great video and thanks for sharing👍
I use Simichrome Polish, works for me!
Put aluminium foil into a bowl. Lay the silvercoins you want to clean on top of the aluminium foil. Make a hot salt water solution with as much salt as possible. Poor the hot salt water into the bowl with the coins and the foil. Wait untill the water turned cold. Change the aluminium foil and reheat the saltwater to repeat the process until the coins are clean. Just flip em if you repeat it, because it didn´t clean enought. That takes a while but, it will become as clean as new ! Because this is reoxidizing the silver sulfate on the coin. While the coins are in the solution you can smell the sulferdioxide comming off ! You also can see small bubbles forming on the surface of the coins. That´s the best way to make Silver clean again !!! Good luck !
I don't get the big deal about Toning, I personally don't like the look
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If you can set your camera to use a fixed color balance, it will allow the gold coins to look gold even when the coin fills the frame. Even better is to shoot in RAW mode (if your camera has that) and then include a white card in a frame under the same lighting, and then when you convert the RAWs, use a "click white balance", using that "Click White Balance" value for all of the frames.
When you showed the whole set of coins on the blue background, the color balance seemed fine (auto WB, I'm sure, got it close to right). But when you showed the close-ups of the gold coin, it came out looking silver because the auto white balance makes the assumption that the main subject in the frame should be white. This is where some manual control can really make things look correct.
I've shot events where the lighting was quite variable and/or had mixed lighting, and a sneaky trick is to make up white name cards for the attendees to wear. Then shoot in RAW, and when processing the RAW files, just do a "click white balance" on each person's name card, and that corrects for the mixed or variable lighting with almost no effort. Since your light source was likely the same for all of your shots, you only need to shoot one frame with the white card, and then you can store and re-use that same "click white balance" for all of the shots, and everything will be corrected properly AND with exactly the same white balance.
Camera nerd stuff. Sorry.
A lot of people, including me, love toned silver eagles. It gives them more character, and IMO, it makes them look so much cooler, especially if they are the older ones. So, watch cleaning those, they can bring a hefty premium when that toning is deep and nice looking, or if has a certain pattern, you can make way more money as opposed to it not having it.
Everyone loves rainbows, but cleaning destroys the coins numismatic value and should never be done.
Aw yeah! Time for another great video🎉
seemed to make the milkspotting worse
I personally don’t mind a toned coin. I think it has character.
I cleaned my dimes and my local coin shop didn't want them back!
They looked good as if I just pulled them out of a roll that has never been opened. That's OK; they will be used one day.
Dimes will be perfect in a barter situation, and so will quarters. Both can be used at some farmers markets if the seller is into silver, which some are.
Hi everyone!
Jim in Alberta,Canada.
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
I would not have cleaned the
2 oz. Mexican Libertad. Those are collectable, with many years having low mintage. La Casa De Moneda does not strike many Libertads, compared to other sovereign mints.
Thanks for sharing 😊
Hot water, baking soda, and good tinfoil is all you need. There’s plenty videos on UA-cam how to use this to clean your silver. It’s the best method I use it for my chain my ring my rope chain.
the coin in the thumbnail fortunately was saved from the cleaning craze.
I just purchased this product and I also purchased this stuff called MS70 I just received it in the mail today and I played with it a little and my short assessment is the MS70 does a nicer job
Thanks Yankee!
ive been waiting for this video. very informative thank you
I've been told blow torch to a bright red glow will remove milk spots maybe try on a round before doing a semi numismatic then probably dip after. Would be interesting to see if it works
Thanks for the experiment.
I bought very dirty, circulated and worn Morgans. I dipped in E Z Est for a count of 15 seconds and then distilled water. For milk spots a LCS told me to use acetone which I did and it mostly works. I cleaned them all with Dawn dish soap before any other cleaning.
Interesting video. Good to know. Thank you Yankee!
I think the first few turned out great but the last few almost looked worse.
wow, that libertad got destroyed in the dip.
I've had fun with Morgan culls. Sometimes you can get red or black paint over them. Nice to bring them back to life.
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Thanks, I don’t like cleaned but the eagles turned out great!
I need that for my socks. lol
Geat video Yankee! That was fun!
Back to basics THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
I don't know if it was just the camera and light angle on the after photo, but did the libertad's surface look somewhat more porous somehow after you dipped it?
I've heard of people diluting ezest so it doesn't do so harsh a cleaning. It would be interesting to see some experiments with that using distilled water and how much is enough and how much is not enough. I've not seen anyone actually do that experiment yet though. I'd like to see that done.
chemicals permanently alter the crystalline structure of the surface, personally, I don't care for tampering with nature unless taking grease wax paint etc off somewhat. People are neurotic about this stuff.
I’d get some but my mint julep cup won’t fit in the container.
for milk spots you have to reheat the metal
I am totally confused one the toning issue. Some people say it's awful and clean it, other people pay higher prices for a toned coin.
I clean all my constitutional silver. I just love the shiny stuff. Just toss them in a vibratory tumbler with fine walnut shells and some tumbler media additive. Leave for a day or two, rub them a bit with cotton gloves and WOW.
Good information. Thank you.
HowdieMy Friends. I have used "Shine Brite" from PMC that works well and comes gallon size. Even cast pieces don't tone as fast they still need a dip and dry on occasion. Still, the best bet is keep them Dry with a dessicant present and you have No, Nada for toning or snow storms eh. I use the ezest container with my Shine Brite container for the basket. Shine Brite in a sonic washer gives even a better job yet. Its always a good day when you fellas get together old friend. ONWARD EH !
I've cleaned a lot of US 90% silver because I don't like the look of the grime on some of the coins. Have no idea what that crud is, so would prefer to remove it (very gently) before
stacking it in the safe. I don't clean any of my BU or AU class coins because they simply don't need it. I would not clean any coin with numismatic value. I do collect Morgan dollars
but don't have any of the "CC" mint mark coins. I plan to get some of them at some point, so won't be cleaning them. In spite of all the hysteria over coin cleaning, almost all of the
ancient coins that have been recovered have been cleaned because they are recovered from under the ground or from under water where all sorts of useless crud becomes
attached to them. So, obviously, there are ways to carefully clean coins vs. beating them up with far too aggressive cleaning methods that actually damage the coins.
I have never tried E-Z-est coin cleaner but have used Tarn-X, which likely is similar. My favorite way to clean coins is in an ultrasonic cleaning bath containing distilled water and 1
or 2 drops of Dawn dishwashing soap, followed by a running water rinse. Depending on how dirty the coins are, I will zap them in the bath for up to an hour. At that point I might
or might not do a Tarn-X rinse followed by a running water rinse and pat dry with a soft clean towel.
Best thing about milk spots anti counterfeit feature
So Tim thinks no change on bullion price change for resale?
Goddards silver polish cloth will remove milk spots and prevent them from returning.
Oh NO, it was bound to happen. Amateurs always get around to "cleaning" coins.Just trying to "improve" them. NO. Leave cleaning to the professionals. And even then only on rare occasions, like the coin is likely to be damaged with certain chemicals on them. I have been collecting coins since 1962 and have seen everything. I was collecting when Real coins were still in circulation. No reason to clean bullion at all. Take the silver eagle on your thumbnail - Its a beautiful iridescent orange gold color. That is worth at least twice what a dipped coin is worth. Yes, even bullion coins are becoming collectible. The Mexican angel was nice in original condition and should not have been cleaned. The edge toning is nice - proves originality......Copper spots on gold can generally only be removed with a blow torch. Don't try that at home kids! Milk spots? Too bad.
I know a half dozen ways to clean coins and they are not listed here, and using the ezest is a sure fire way for you, Yankee, to have your subs go out and buy some and ruin hundreds if not thousands of beautiful collectible coins. And forget about copper, no way. Needs professional help. So now will you be responsible for someone to go and dip his 1909S VDB Lincoln cent? I know you were just using bullion, but that leads to a further addiction of "improving" (which means ruining) coins. Leave coins Original unless damage is likely. Old pliable plastic coin holders had pvc in them which ruined coins if they were left in too long. Those need to be cleaned if they have the tell tale signs, but not with ezest, or any silver cleaning dip.
So you have been scolded. Now "clean" up your mess! (Pun intended). You need to put a disclaimer in the strongest terms that you do NOT recommend cleaning, dipping or otherwise "improving" coins. Leave it to those who know what to improve, why to improve it, and how to improve it. Throw the ezest in the garbage, disposed of properly of course, and repent!!
Neurotic people have to 'clean' everything
What most don't realize is that dipped coins are ruined microscopically forever. The flow lines the mint put in are flattened out and removed, leaving a the coin cleaned for sure, but the integrity of the coin is forever destroyed. Just because the unaided eye thinks the coin is cleaned and nice and bright, doesn't mean that below the surface it is destroyed. Never use silver cleaning dips.
I get a cloth from jewelers it's amazing .
Interesting. I'd always heard that you should never clean your silver coins and rounds and that toning doesn't affect value. Not sure that's entirely true.
I have used eZest. The important thing to KNOW is to neutralize it with a baking soda solution and then rinse and rinse and rinse. Place it on a soft towel. Tamp down on each side. DO NOT RUB !!!!!!!!!!! And then hit both sides with a hot air blow dryer to evaporate the residual moisture DO NOT RUB THE COIN !!!!!
I like it when the shiny metal ain't so shiny
Baking soda and very hot tapwater. I find that the very hot type water helps with evaporating the water off faster so it doesn’t leave any water spots and only dab dry.
I would follow up with MS 70 solution but the solution you’re using is pretty remarkable !!