'Overlooked' data workers who train AI speak out about harsh conditions
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2024
- AI has reshaped everything from medical diagnoses, to wedding vows, to stock market gains, but the technology wouldn’t be possible without gig workers across the globe.
However, analysts and advocates said the workers whose efforts help train AI are often denied knowledge of the end product they help create, or the company behind it. They also risk rejection of their work after it has been completed, which can leave them without pay or recourse to collect it.
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The irony is that emerging AI technology is intended to automate the repetitive and boring tasks that human beings currently have to do, yet human beings are forced (by their financial situations and limited options) to do repetitive and boring tasks in order to develop said AI technology. I'm all for deploying new technologies as soon as possible, taking into account safety considerations, privacy concerns, etc... I'm also for making sure that gig workers are treated fairly and not exploited like factory workers were in years past, and to some degree still are. I'm no Luddite, by any means. I believe in the ability of new technologies to help us reduce scarcity and suffering. But if we don't care enough to address the ethical and regulatory issues now, there's no guarantee we'll care enough to do it later. We can't wait for AI to cross some arbitrary threshold in order to address concerns about how workers are treated. Good faith and good will has to be there at all stages of the process, as we boldly attempt to level up human civilization for everyone's benefit.
This is how our economic system works, everything is running on the backs of the poor who are doing all of the work.
Everyone has a level of curiosity and drive they want in their work.
That's why population overgrowth is favorable by the socio-political-economic elite. More people to exploit. More reasons to print more money making their wealth worth even more than yours.
@@benb6527 its easy to make excuses that bring the blame onto the individual so people can pretend there isnt a problem with the overall system.
It’s not the employers job to offer purpose or drive, they pay. That’s it, if you don’t like it quit. They’re employers not babysitters
AGI = A Guy (in) India
Im screaming 😭
Legend 😂
💀💀
Guy or gal
You're pretty much training your own job replacement
This video is mostly a plug for an Amazon service.
“Doing menial, repetitive tasks on your laptop isn’t enjoyable”
I didn’t know that. You’re telling me now for the first time.
The term computer dates back 1613 which refers to people performing complex calculations such as mathematicians and bookkeepers. In the book and movie “Hidden Figures” three black women mathematicians working at NASA were used to generate complex calculation databases without being told what the database was to be used for since they didn’t the security clearance; history repeating itself with AI database!
This “news” piece is really confusing. UA-cam videos say AWS Turks pays peanuts. It doesn’t even seem worth the time for a person in a 1st world nation.
Back when I did MTurk, it was pretty common to be paid the equivalent of $1 to $2 per hr.
I tried Mechanical Turk. It was poor pay. Good to know she did well with it.
There's companies... Like Telus, which have a lot of AI rater jobs. I've done some fun gigs with them at an in person venue to train cameras/sensors on robots with facial expressions, but i haven't given the online remote jobs a try yet, and I'm not sure if i should. I think it could be good for my resume to show experience in this field at least at the very bottom level, but it is strange work for sure. The context of the jobs is secretive because it is probably R&D from big companies that don't want to give away the surprise of their new projects.
Wow they got scammed by an AI company! lost wages hurts the families. I hope they can find out why and get paid by bring them to the Courts.
When you get a job that requires basically no special skills or experience why would you expect it to be a good job? You’re gonna have to take it up with Adam Smith.
This video singles out these people as being exploited. In fact, they are privileged enough to be able to have a computer, an internet connection, speak English, and live in a place that is safe with necessities readily available.
The good news is that AI will ultimately replace these workers and they'll never be exploited again. They're training their successors.
We sure do want to believe that! Lol! But we have very little reason to believe this will actually be true because the world does not remain the same forever and AI will often need to be Re-trained, to re-recognize new things in the world and new situations. I imagine there is potential for it becoming hungry for ever more updates as the world evolves around it, as well as the greed of the companies that own it continuously growing. Unless they are forced to reckon with the limits of greed in a finite planet, we will likely destroy ourselves with AI's help, just trying to follow our misguided orders.
Sociopath tech bro overlords?
Anyone tired of this yet?
There are literally millions of jobs like this. Do you think the person cleaning toilets at ABC’s head office at 2 am has a meaningful career? Why aren’t you doing a story about them? And the lady half way through the video says she picks the work she finds enjoyable and that pays the most. This literally is not an option for tens of millions in the US.
We're all in the same boat in the big picture. We should all stick together and stand up for each other. There are many more of us than them. If we all work together, we can make it a better world.
Cope
It literally is if you think about it just a little bit harder. We generally select what we deem to be the best of the available options available to us, whether we're scrubbing toilets or performing spinal surgeries.
However, for gig workers in particular, many of whom it's essentially the only income stream available to them due to unfortunate life circumstances as mentioned in the video, there are no worker protections or guarantees in place. This makes them particularly vulnerable to exploitation and abuse.
@@dj69321 This is quite a naive view. The majority of low paying jobs in North America are vulnerable to exploitation and abuse. If you have the skills to work at this job, then there are literally thousands of other on-line jobs you can do at home - even with the terrible circumstances that this person has. There are millions of people employed in the US that have much harsher conditions than shown here - and probably over 25% of the world's population would find this to be a dream job. The story is clickbait and poor journalism.
The companies that want data should supply glasses with dual cameras (for 3D) to people. When they upload the data from the glasses to the companies, they should then pay people for the time they were recording their activities. Supplying everything needed would make it so poor people could have an income no matter who and where they are. It would also be nice to have some 'deny recording in this area' devices. This would benefit everyone.
This is actually genius. There is such a deficit of video data to train AIs. Providing an income to the poorest in the nation to generate this data is a solid idea.
This is only one lady’s experience. Amazon Mechanical Turks is not employment. It’s the equivalent of doing paid online surveys. The fact the lady was able to work from home while she was sick means the tasks actually paid pretty good. Not sure why People don’t get that gig work means you are not an employee. You work for yourself. You get set what time you work, how long you work, and you can take any time off working you want. Of course it doesn’t offer improvement for the worker. Doing menial tasks that anyone can do isn’t going to help you find a high paying career or improve your current career. This is to get paid for doing simple but tedious tasks. It pays accordingly. Gig work is not for everyone. Some people can make a living off of it. But for most it is a side hustle for extra money. It’s way better than working two jobs. It’s easier to accommodate your real job, and still have some work, life balance.
What would the lady be doing for money had AMT didn’t exist?
I agree. In my country people would kill for a job like this but Mechanical Turk isn't available.
Turk is cool, if you want a $1 an hour.
Thank you for your service! 😎🤖
Awesome report
Yeah not really understanding how this isn’t just a critique of the foundational principles of capitalism. You think CEO pay should 10000x the janitors salary? I’m not a fan of whataboutism in general but this particular criticism seems bizarre. People sign up for an opportunity they wouldn’t have otherwise had at an agreed upon rate of pay and in general with the exception of limited scenarios get paid per the stipulated contract and are now complaining that…what exactly? The stuff they were doing makes more money than they thought it would be? Like you’re okay with the job as long as the person asking for you to do it is only getting whatever value you think they should get?
Honestly this video made very little sense to me, and garners very little sympathy outside of those that were not paid for the work they did-and the monolithic nature of the system denying the ability to dispute edge cases
It's an entitlement problem, really.
I suppose all the great poetry and songs and stories of the world owe a whole lot to those who inspired them based upon the framework suggested and this narrow scoped scoop. Which of course they do. But not contractually or monetarily.
Labor laws need to catch up
So how much of AI is really AI then?
All of it; this job is needed to for the training process of AI, wherein it needs to know what photos of a "car" look like, and what photos of a "human" look like, among everything else, until it knows these things well enough to be able to draw its own conclusions from novel data. Think of it like how a parent might teach child their to identify animals with various picture books.
If you don’t like the task then don’t accept it.
Like Googles AI Gemini being incapable of producing images of Caucasians 😄
@@omi_godBecause people come in different colors, and Abe Lincoln wasn’t BLACK!
@@LadieKadie I thought y'all didn't see color...
@@elijahtrenton8351 Kinda noticeable when AI turns out black Abe Lincoln’s don’t ya think?
@@omi_god When I tell AI to give me an image of Abe Lincoln, I don’t expect it to be so diverse it’s brains fall out and produce a black Abe dummy.
Cameras on babys..?
I have made a custom gpt
it can get physics problems correct
Its unlike any GPT made before and is ready for new vision features for 4o
and also an example i’ve been \using is upload an image of a cloud that looks like multiple things but it can be interpreted, the one i have made recognised it was a rabbit every time now on 1st shot so it knows when something is unusual about an image even if you dont say anything is, it can also do iq test image reasoning pattern questions
Its called Smarter Vision Multimodal image/text analysis
just gotta follow the instructions given to get the right seed its 1 in 2 chance or so i have absolutely no idea why it needs that.
Lol whaaaaaa whaaaaa babys cry
These people sit at home in comfy chairs and choose to get paid to label a cat from a dog, label a sentence that has correct grammar, and do the most benign things possible to get paid AND still complain??!?
Please, by all means, refuse these tasks that a 5 year old can do and let someone who actually needs the money do it, what a ridiculous segment ABC. Do better.
The major issue here is that the pay is pathetic. You'll always find someone desperate enough to do the job.
And btw, a 5 year old couldn't do most of the annotation tasks designated. I've seen the work 1st hand.
Can you imagine working $0.300 an hour? Yes, a lot of these annotation microtasks pay people that fee.
Yes, the work is low effort, though excessively repetitive, but that shouldn't be the criteria of a decent minimum wage for time spent labouring away, otherwise, the digger and farmer should be one of the wealthiest in the world because of high effort, economy sustaining work.
@@kamu747 then don't do it. In a free market YOU can choose to refuse work. YOU can choose to work better paying jobs. If it does not meet your economic needs, YOU can move your labor elsewhere. There are desperate people who would gratefully take this work and get paid *anything* for their labor. If these tasks were priced higher, the people who need the work will be outcompeted and continue to not have work.
Are we so entitled that we truly believe this benign, low-effort, infrequent, mindless work requires a full minimum wage? No company would in their right mind offer such a thing and would instead refuse to offer the work, only hurting the most needy amongst us. Get a grip of reality.
@@hihihi5367
You need perspective. There's nothing remotely close to entitlement to demand for reason over ultraexploitation.
I spoke about desperate people, and they don't gratefully take these jobs. They painfully accept them. They take what they can get and, in the process, grow miserable.
You must not know desperation to speak about choice and free markets the way you do.
Free markets leave room for vultures to pray upon the desperate, and that's what these task masters are doing.
A minimum wage is what's called for, no matter where anyone lives, no one should be paid $0.300 for an hours worth of work however low effort it might be. It's low effort but demanding, no break time in that hour.
At the very minimum, for such a task, pay someone $2 (which is still low but damn more reasonable a quarter of a dollar). No one is saying pay a fortune.
Furthermore, a certain level of education is required to be accepted to do these tasks. These jobs are offered to educated masses with a minimum of high school education.
Lastly, these companies are in dire need of this labour. That's how valuable it is. Without them, there's no AI progress. Without them, it'll would have taken 50 years to get to where we are.
@@hihihi5367
My message keeps getting deleted. Here it is again:
You need perspective. There's nothing remotely close to entitlement to demand for reason over ultraexploitation.
I spoke about desperate people, and they don't gratefully take these jobs. They painfully accept them. They take what they can get and, in the process, grow miserable.
You must not know desperation to speak about choice and free markets the way you do.
Free markets leave room for vultures to pray upon the desperate, and that's what these task masters are doing.
A minimum wage is what's called for, no matter where anyone lives, no one should be paid $0.300 for an hours worth of work however low effort it might be. It's low effort but demanding, no break time in that hour.
At the very minimum, for such a task, pay someone $2 (which is still low but damn more reasonable a quarter of a dollar). No one is saying pay a fortune.
Furthermore, a certain level of education is required to be accepted to do these tasks. These jobs are offered to educated masses with a minimum of high school education.
Lastly, these companies are in dire need of this labour. That's how valuable it is. Without them, there's no AI progress. Without them, it'll would have taken 50 years to get to where we are.
@@hihihi5367 You need perspective. There's nothing remotely close to entitlement to demand for reason over ultraexploitation.
I spoke about desperate people, and they don't gratefully take these jobs. They painfully accept them. They take what they can get and, in the process, grow miserable.
You must not know desperation to speak about choice and free markets the way you do.
Free markets leave room for vultures to pray upon the desperate, and that's what these task masters are doing.
A minimum wage is what's called for, no matter where anyone lives, no one should be paid $0.300 for an hours worth of work however low effort it might be. It's low effort but demanding, no break time in that hour.
At the very minimum, for such a task, pay someone $2 (which is still low but damn more reasonable a quarter of a dollar). No one is saying pay a fortune.
Furthermore, a certain level of education is required to be accepted to do these tasks. These jobs are offered to educated masses with a minimum of high school education.
Lastly, these companies are in dire need of this labour. That's how valuable it is. Without them, there's no AI progress. Without them, it'll would have taken 50 years to get to where we are.
This report makes no sense? Its an online job that pays $1 to $11 an hour. It is not meant for people in the U.S. There are many other options for online work. Its like saying to clean house people are getting paid only $15 dollars.. Yes in other parts of the world that is true. and other parts of the world they are paid $1 dollar to clean a house.
I'm surprised that ABC uploads a video with a bad audio Mix. The voices are not correctly leveled.
Probably a job handled by AI.
If you don’t like it quit?
This is a stupid video.
First, work is primarily for money and not for enrichment. This is one reason why immigrants often cross socioeconomic barriers but natural born Americans complain about American dream is dead. How is the work of most adult entertainers enriching ? How is the job serving at Burger King or cleaning vomit and gum from high schools or pubs enriching job ? If you don’t want to do this job and prefer doing these blue collar alternatives, people are welcome to do so.
Second, if you don’t do it, there will be people in India, S.E. Asia will do.
All of these people are grossly overestimating the public enthusiasm and underestimating the public understanding of A.I.
Stop complaining and start collectively bargaining.
If we were making things like paper, tires, pencils, pens, etc here in America. Instead of China an bring back Newspaper instead of t Al ,,,People would have good jobs. People would have jobs that would be an AC a little physical And that's good a little exercise never hurts Look at this lady she has sucked down too many donuts, she needs a job. Where she can get a little physical. If we bring back newspapers then people would read more And that gives countless jobs AI is not the way to go. And the reason is nobody is really going to be interested in it. Because you're going to have to learn how use it And we don't need it We need to read more And be more physical for our health. Hell no to AI.
Quit, Quit, Quit. Why suffer? Such people will happily live with Diddy.