6th Graders Made a More Interesting Tier List Than Any Content Creator
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All he wanted to do was have a fun reward for his students, but he inadvertently created a Zappa player. What a shame
Shame, he was a good student.
*lipsmack*
What a rotten way to play.
Setplay Detention for him
You hate to see it
A true fighting game player~ We either live as the scrub, or die enough and become the try hard good player.
@@leithaziz2716 why are you locked in the training room
"One kid asked his parents to buy the game so he could learn zappa"
Based kid
I suck at Zappa but I love the idea of the game play so I play him anyway
Absolute same @@am.bisonmain9077
These kids have gone to more locals at this point than some Twitter monsters smh
I was in bed reading the comments and this had me rolling, thank you!
FUCKING DEAD
The teacher: *having free time and setting up the projector for the class to see a +r clip*
The teacher: *pause the clip* Aaaaaaaallrighty classroom, Will it kill?
The origin story
Bruh that would be sick.
showing Dustloop to Zappa Kid would be in direct violation of the prime directive
tru
"Hello, small child, have these nuclear launch codes!"
The Zappa kid learning the game and rising at the top of his class rankings so he can defeat his teacher, which is amused at these kids not knowing how to properly play the game while still being super engaged and creating their own meta, sounds way too much like a shonen protagonist's backstory. The Zappa Kid would be an S Tier title actually
This would be a fantastic light novel or web comic....
Zappa Kid the new giant series of Shounen Jump
Kids Developing a Teirlist after putting time playing the game.... Must be nice.... Adults out here making teirlist on Day 1 of DNFs Beta
My DNF Duel Beta Tier List:
SSS: Everyone but Agent.
S+: Agent
@@BknMoonStudios nah where's inquisitor
these kids waited until a few tournaments happened, too. unimaginable patience.
@@BknMoonStudios who the fuck is agent? Hitman?
Duke Nukem Forever's meta...
Heartbreaking: Man creates wholesome reward for student, inadvertently gets his parents to spend $1000 dollars on a fight stick
This post was one of the best Guilty Gear posts I have ever seen. Super wholesome and cool, and the fact they have done multiple tournaments for the class is so awesome.
Most GG posts I find on Reddit are pretty nice compared to some other hubs I've been around. Wether its memes, fun tier-lists, discussing lore, or wholesome "thanks for getting me into fighting games" posts. It's a nice place when I wanna delve into GG gameplay, music, lore, predictions or thoughts without dealing with Twitter.
This is not related to what I've said above, but a fun tidbit. Today's Axl, Elphelt and Dizzy's birthday. Happy Birthday : )
If this ain't a reason to work hard in school and finish all the material in time I dunno what is
Teacher should really let the 6th grade meta evolve on it's own
This shit is like the Eternals you can't interfere in humanity's natural progression
_"Let the young ones learn with eyes unclouded by salt and dust loops."_
-Me, right now
Shut up...
@@SlickRick4EVER OKay... lol
Let them fight.
This is a super interesting meta, I love the idea of a natural progression of a fighting game by rank amateurs
"This is the one everyone has to be afraid of." As one does, with ghosts.
As an elementary education major right now, THIS IS SUCH A GOOD FUCKING IDEA. The whole “if we are ahead for the month we do a game tournament” idea is so good. The internal motivators at play here for these kids I’m sorry as a gamer as well this is sick and I will be stealing this idea and using it in the future.
Definitely let us know!
Hows it going so far?
@@QuestionMarks420 still on the grind boss
@@viper64jr how's it going?
For those that asked, I currently have one year left before I get my degree but these notifications continue to remind me about this idea so thanks so much!
The kid that got his parents to buy the game is next level grime lol
even in 6th grade, the soul of fight games is thuggery
Dude if I had asked my parents to buy me accent core in 6TH GRADE...
They would've looked it up and seen I-No
And I wouldn't be here typing this comment today lol
@@sefflikejeff1917...they would've killed you?
@@nisnast I would STILL be grounded as a 25 year old man
Somewhere, out there, exists a 6th grader that wants to learn GGAC+R more than most people, all because they wants to beat their teacher at the game.
That's amazing, this individual has unironically set forward a chain of events that will result in that student going on to become the next big thing.
Inadvertantly creates a Daigo
Literally an anime origin story.
Literally how most, if not all, fighting game players are born. There’s always someone u just can’t beat that makes u get better.
True. Following the meta of kids on reddit is the funniest thing I've done this year lol
Also, a lowkey cool look into how fighting games are played outside of the fgc.
Testament kid about to roll up and teach these 6th grade fools the wrath of the old testament. God was wild in that shit man.
Perhaps, but that would require the Testament kid to grasp motion inputs. Granted if the Zappa kid could figure out how to unlock ghosts after being able to play the game at home I'm sure anyone else in the class could do the same, but the question of who else is gonna acquire the means to do their homework (lol) remains to be seen.
The teacher mentions in the comments that there's a dedicated "Robo-Ky fan club" of 4 students because funny robot man
The best part about this video is that the title 100% isn't clickbait. It's just straight facts.
I misread and I thought it was about amount of war crimes
That's such a nice story. That teacher is awesome.
I'm just imagining one of the kids goes to dustloop or other websites to learn about GG and they end up asking their teacher what half the words mean.
Love the TRS Zieg pfp friend
"I found some guy online who says a lot of funny words, how do I 'twerk' on Zappa kid with May??"
“Miss what’s a ‘Dead Angle?’”
And luckily today, we have an amazing fighting game glossary online with almost every term explained in one place
They'll go crosseyed as soon as they see their first combo actually written out, as is tradition. It's basically hieroglyphics.
This is downright amazing. I wouldn't tell them to let them experience the game at their own pace, but every chapter of this story is cooler than the last one
Part of me is surprised that Testament isn’t at least A-tier in their meta since he has pretty disjointed normals that could stuff other characters trying to poke at him, while other part me realizes that a group of players who still have trouble trying to do motions also probably have a more limited understanding of “footsies” as well 😅
Whoever ends up figuring out how to use Justice’s nukes is probably gonna be top-dog amongst them for a while lol.
whoever figures out justice's nukes will probably trigger the Crusades again, this time localized entirely within their classroom
I wonder if the meta would shift if they figured out that Baiken has a counter. Could seem pretty broken in their meta, the ability to just counter a strike. Like blocking but better.
You expect them to know what blocking is?
Then again, they might not know block strings.
It could very well be a poke/projectile heavy meta.
If you're hoping you'll see them do a reverse quarter circle during the blockstun window anytime soon i have bad news for you.
@@cloude8496 If some of these kids get their own version of +r to play at home, they might end up forming an elite next time. Doesn't have to be counters, but if there are suddenly like 3 kids in the class who can do motions to throw out projectiles or consistently do axl's unblockable or some shit, they'll dominate.
Lmao Baiken is always janky.
You still have to be decent at the game to really make use of her broken as fuck kit.
I should know, I'm a terrible Baiken!
The real S tier character here is this teacher who shares his joy of fighting games with his class.
A real Grade A fella. hope he doesn't get nerfed next patch.
It's all fun and games until the quiet kid discovers the intricacies of training mode and comes back with a vengeance, frame data and EVO level execution. Congress needs to tutor teachers into Celestial to keep these kids in check, smh
This reminds be of a tweet by Bafael, where he suggested tier lists for every level of play, based on knowledge of mechanics and techniques and overall ease of use
It was after people discovered that Capcom shows pick and win rates for all characters in SFV (divided by rank) on their website
yeah, it showed that e. honda, and bison were winning the most all the way to ultra silver which makes sense at a low level because of frame traps and reach
@@asterhogan1 frame what? flying headbutt unstoppable
T7 community been on the pulse with this for awhile now. They were introduced to char tier lists in endurance sets (FT10 by the Korean players) which is a departure to chars in 2/3 tourney settings where even power bottom chars like Lucky Chloe are still fearsome because she's high/risk damage. And you only have so many rounds to adapt so if you can't play your clean defensive game, you are getting slapped around. People also knew about how certain chars are VERY strong in wood/teal low ranks just because their play style preys on those players lack of movement and defensive awareness. So you had the Williams sisters being able to climb pretty high until an opponent could defend their pressure and punish them accordingly.
@@t4d0W Is Gigas a low ranking monster? I always got the impression that he's only terrible if the opponent actually knows what he can't do, but he's got such big arms to swing away
@@HellecticMojo Sorta. The Gigas player has to know how to exploit the spacing as means of offense as Gigas does have a nice button to hit. The problem is if the Gigas players' defense folds and they can't do anything once their low rank opponent starts to pressure them up close. So Gigas has to do a lil more work. Same came be applied to Jack as a long range poke/keep away guy. Except for Jack you end up knowing every range 3 attack when you can play that keep away game.
This is like one of those big jars with a self-sustaining ecosystem
I love this tier list. I'm actually currently playing AC+R with potemkin against venom. Feels good to play a top tier against a D rank zoner ^^
I want to hear about the moment the Zappa kid summons Raoh and shows off a literal god in front of the classroom
Dude, these kids are gonna be godlike by the time they’re out of school, my god. What an absolute legend of a teacher
Molded by the flames of……….6th grade social studies 😱😱😱
This is so cool, I hope they continue to play.
In high school, my AP Language teacher brought TTT2 after we took our AP exam and the curriculum was over. I was "Zappa kid" but with Wang and Baek. Ended up watching a bunch of Aris for Wang tips lol. Eventually I won a set; hella hype. He was very proud and we started learning from each other. We stayed friends after my graduation and we delved into more fighting games. Def wouldnt have been who I am without him and that experience. He's got a kid now and I'm in med school so we dont have much time to jump online anymore. Wonder if he even knows about rollback?!
Hope that poster keeps us all updated and thanks for sharing Sajam! Def a good memory to relive.
That's awesome. Put a smile on my face.
Please tell me shouted "CHECK THOSE SHOES PLAYA" as you stomped em
I love this story. Recently my games design course has started hosting its own fighting game tournament because my lecturer and one of the other staff had a grudge to settle in street fighter vs x-men.
Neither of them made it to the finals lol, with my lecturer losing to someone using Poison in USF4 who had never played fighting games before. It's finally given me the motivation to try and get better and show off my (currently non-existent) skills.
I always look at tier lists as an estimation of the potential power of characters. When I look at the same characters from my perspective, I'm looking at it like "which characters will/do give me the most trouble and for what reasons?", which is a perspective that will shift over time as I improve. The meta of what I'm good at and what I'm weak against will always be evolving.
Wishing you good reads and strength of will
I love how out of all the games they could have played they chose +R and I love it
One of the sickest looking fighting games to ever exist, with probably the sickest roster.
@@samuelconnel2166 How can a roster be sick with such amazing doctor like Faust among them?
That's probably because it was teach's favorite or like easiest to set up in class.
@@StanNotSoSaint Rather low system requirements alongside with quite large cast of very varied and crazy looking characters and quite fluid gatling system is definitely a huge plus. I'd say it's a much better choice for what's a 99% pure button-masher community, than something like Street Fighter.
@@StanNotSoSaint Yeah, in the thread the dude said he would've done Strive but he runs it on an old laptop so +r is the only one that runs well.
What I love is how communal this is. It's locals without the grinding beforehand.
i love this so much
such a great microcosm of how the greater FGC goes about deciding what is good as the "class" explores the game over time. the line "the kids are rethinking pot's place" is so funny because it's so accurate to how every game gets figured out
I think this post is really really interesting because this is exactly how I felt with the DNF Duel beta having 0 training mode whatsoever, and that part of the fun of that beta to me was figuring stuff out on the fly instead of every other game where I just go "Alright, where are the combos, where are the setups, let's learn this shit"
Someone in chat was actually spitting. "Top 3 of the tier list are Sajam's demons. Lifejam, Lastcody and mcna"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA "One kid got his parents to buy him the game and he is determined to learn zappa" I'm dying.
Where were this great teachers when I was a school kid? Only had toxic mentally crazy teachers :(. Ok on second thought, there was a couple of great teachers but they quit teaching because of the bad environment.
Happens all too often to the best teachers 😕
@@TheChilaxicle I have family working as a teacher and they told me that in all the schools in the city there is no teacher that thinks about whats best for the kids. They are all there just to shit on other teachers. When a good person shows up, they work for a couple of years and realize what a toxic place it is and they start planning a change in career. She does this job just "as fun", her husband works well enough for both. But she got bored and decided to join teaching to have something to do during her days. She said she never saw a more toxic career in her life and she is already looking into doing something else.
My IT middle school teacher showed us Quake 3 Arena, loved that dude
@@doumanseiman2645 Tragic! Wish I didn't hear this same sort of story so often.
I'm actually in my 5th year of teaching elementary music. It takes a lot of will to stick around but I do it for the kids.
I think to young players, fighting games are actually very cool looking. We kind of undersell the cool factor of the games because we know how technical and complex they are (and we're too jaded by hearing all the complaints and scrub quotes).
But as a kid who doesn't know the difference between a deep game and a shallow one, they won't be scared by the depth, and will be attracted by the fact that these games are cool, violent, and fast paced, with sexy and badass characters. I know that's what drew me in as a kid. What teenage boy could see a game with babes like Millia or Baiken and badasses like Zato or Venom and not want to play?
It's all fun and games till those 6th graders learn what happens when I-no wins
It's not just when you're new. A tier list is invalid for almost everyone except pros. And even then, a low-tier can win if the opponent has no experience fighting her.
Tier Lists are extremely fun to make and discuss, but they aren't an excuse for winning or losing in a majority of cases
tier lists made by noobs is relevant for noobs though, skill floor is a thing
I like how you said "her" when referring to a low-tier character. Are you thinking specifically of A.B.A. here?
@@mattyryon I wouldnt really agree. Most tier lists for noobs simply place the characters by ease of use. They usually have a philosophy of "This character is easy to use and understand which makes winning with them easier so theyre top tier." But if you get a beginner that knows how to play a more complex character, that low tier is all of a sudden a huge problem because nobody understands how the character works so everyone starts getting bodied by that character.
This isn't really the case though. Tier lists quite often reflect something other than top end potential strength. They also often represent a reward per time invested ratio. If you spend your limited time playing say, Anji, you will be weaker per hour put in because of the general weaknesses in his kit. That being said, character simplicity can skew this. A very difficult to play top tier like fox in SSBM, you may not reap as much value. However another top tier, like Falco, who isnt easy to play mind you, is incredibly rewarding as a reflection of time put in, because his general moveset is so strong.
A tier list is an easy metric for people to see what will be the best use of their limited time. Sure Zain's Roy can beat 99% of the player base using the top tiers. However I would NEVER suggest a new player pick up Roy because the amount of time they would be required to invest would be dramatically higher as opposed to hell, 50% of the rest of the roster.
If my goal is to hit celestial, a stronger tool makes more sense to most people. I can hammer a nail with rock, but its much easier to use a hammer and even more so just use a nail gun.
There's a tierlist for every skill level, it's just they only get made for top level
This post and it's follow ups and this teacher's story is so fucking wholesome and cool. Glad Sajam is plugging it too.
The latest update on how one kid managed to figure out Zappa and his ghosts and started filling the screen with shit and being all smug thinking he had a chance in finals against the teacher was gold.
A teacher getting their kids addicted to +R and having them all ask for it for Christmas is hella wholesome
The 6th grade tournament posts have always warmed my heart when I see them. I have to wonder what the parents' reactions are to this. Your kid comes home from school and asks for a video game that just looks like metal album covers and costs the equivalent of $3.
this was actually awesome to see
Im striving (hahaha) to be a teacher, and honestly this is the best idea I've ever heard. Brings the class together, gets the kids wanting to learn and do well on their tests for a big friendly competition at the end of the month. Thats genius, I hope the teacher and all his students are doing great.
Coolest class experiment ever. Wish my 6th grade was that engaging. Wonder if any students dread "+R time" tho.
Seems super popular from the further posts, there are mini-groups dedicated to individual characters. Robo-Ky is so popular that the Ky player is also in the Robo-Ky group.
Even if you're not super into it/not that good compared to the rest of the class, it's school time where you're playing video games instead of doing work. Doubt any are too mad about it.
Love this. Tried 3rd Strike session with my students at our activities day recently and they went crazy for it. The first kid to figure out blocking and punishing was untouchable for a while. So fun to watch, totally gonna build on it and indoctrinate them.
This is so cool. I often forget how hard things were for me a couple years ago when I was first starting out, with Skullgirls on pad and a computer that could barely run it. I couldn't remember characters move lists and even if I did know how to do the move I wanted I might not get the motion right. basic bnbs took an eternity to get down. rather than play online I just went through the story with each character, where I mostly just used the normals and specials I could without worrying about combos. I now think that the game isn't really for me, I mostly play Arcsys games now, but I will always have fond memories of it and the other games I tried while still in the early beginner phase of my journey.
I would pay good money to see sajam commentating this tournament
Galaxy brain teacher. They found a use for tier lists!
My favourite piece in this exercise is that getting the class to make a tier list provides an opportunity to think about the classroom meta and learn. This is the stuff that instills the joy of learning into kids, which is the best side effect.
So funny that this dude introduced +r to a completely new ecosystem apparently and still somehow a Zappa player showed up lol
Life finds a way I suppose
I felt a spiritual connection with that Zappa kid, go get em champ!
First time I ever played a fighting game outside an emulator was at my aunt's house with Street Fighter 4
I played against my dad and I picked Ryu and spammed hadoukens over and over and he had no answer no matter who he picked.
It got to the point where he outright said "if we're going to play this game, you can't pick Ryu"
So I picked Ken.
Then he stopped playing and I went to do the combo trials and failed miserably for hours
Fun memories
Imagine if you picked Dhalsim and just walled him out with your arms.
The rage would've been glorious.
This reminds me of when I played Blazblue with my friends who never played it before and we did a little tournament. It's really interesting and fun to see how people with close to zero FG experience react to a lot of stuff you're used to.
Imagine coming to math class and that day ur doing +R frame data learning plus and negative frame advantage… I would have actually done my homework lol
This is exactly what I always said, tier lists at highest levels are useless to medium level players or low level even... since nobody will be close enough to mix the enemy with a Millia or Chip as much as to justify being hit twice and exploding, and none of them will know exactly how to counter stupid stuff or punish it. I have few funny memories of my scrubiest days, when spamming in KOF the multiple kicks with Robert and people falling for it over and over lol, then the HDM in 2K2 being unblock-able, or shit like that, also how people were scary of Ralf punch because it can't be blocked, or how easy were some characters to use compared to others.
I will never forget when I was playing in the arcades (I sux with stick and at that time it was even worse since I was only used to play with Keyboard and trying to adapt to Joypad) I played against a guy who chose RUGAL and other 2 characters, while I was with Kyo, K' and Kula (being Kula the easiest to me for playing because the slow peace on its BNB combo), I basically destroyed the guy's two first characters and a friend of him at his said said "Woah man you are in trouble" but he answered "Don't worry, I still have Rugal" (oh that was a 2K2 with all gauges and Rugal unlocked), then he spammed some shit and went into full punishable mode, so I ran with Kula and... BNB (not even used the Super), so he woke up super and got punished again lol, until his Rugal died, it was SO FUN, but that is not the funniest part, because he stayed at my side after he lost watching me play against the IA, and I got rekt by the AI of stage 2...
So... for me it was easier to beat a guy using Rugal with max gauges and spamming supers while using only my BNB than beating the Stage 2 of KOF2002 against the AI, he then was shocked not able to understand what the heck was going on.
This is really interesting to me, because personally, I had zero fun with fighting games until I found out about trials. I hated hitting someone with a move and not knowing how to do anything after. Fighting games only became fun *after* I spent hours and hours and hours grinding combos. Then I tried to actually learn how to play the game.
Your the opposite of me, i try combos and setups in game, and rarely use training mode
Humans naturally like to just learn, even more so when there is no opposite force actively trying to stop what they are doing. Combo trials are great because you get to learn how to do something, as long as you are willing to put up with it. And all without any limits or adversarial interference. What is there to NOT enjoy?
@@ChimericWhite cant learn neutral that way
@@noobtuber10 That is obvious. Doesn't mean you can't just do the combo trials at any given time.
This is a bit unrelated, but I've always hated how there's some weird aversion among so many people with just playing the game instead of just fighting human opponents and labbing.
This is exactly me. I get bored to tears if I'm fighting someone with no idea on what I'm supposed to do. Mashing buttons and having no foundation to build upon just wastes my time.
When I have some foundation to improve on, THEN I have a lot of fun. I can feel myself getting better at what I'm doing, and learn more as I go.
This is a genius way of getting kids to play the game. If you just ask them to play some old fighting game chances are they'd say no, but if you say they can play it INSTEAD of doing class they'll take it 100%, because anything is more interesting than class.
This also draws away that weird relationship of treating how to learn FGs like 'homework' like how some new FG players approach the genre now. The kids are thinking of the game reactively based on what they know and what they can execute and trying to win off that. They aren't trying to punish themselves hitting the lab and feeling bad when they can't hit the combo they practiced for 2 hours straight on netplay when they need more in game reps to get a feel for the game. They understand its a marathon and they wouldn't be committed to doing it if it wasn't for the point of having fun to begin with.
this dude is literally training a new generation of fighting game pros
This warms my heart so much. Gives me life seeing stuff like this. The joys of getting into fighting games and watching the journey unfold is amazing.
"Simplicity is a prerequisite for reliability"
-Anji Dustloop
Back in the before times, I would set up freeplay USF4 in an office conference room on a projector. We had wide skill levels, including 'never played' level.
Never played were the best to watch, because the normal meta moved fast. I fondly remember the T. Hawk sweep meta that lasted a couple rounds which was trounced by the jump in meta.
Brand new players are pure fighting evolution.
Both posts are super wholesome. It's so funny that there's a roboky fan club!
I aspire to be this badass when I start teaching
I did something similar to this a while back. I had to stay with my cousins for a few weeks, one sister and two brothers, and I happened to have skullgirls on my laptop so I decided to see if they'd like it. I told them about motion inputs, showed them how to do a fireball a charge back and let them have at it. I was playing fukua so I already knew they'd develope a meta of trying to keep me out. First week their picks were beowulf, big band and parasoul. Third week, the day before I had to leave they the beowulf kid was playing exclusively eliza (even though he was very against picking the girl character at first), the big band kid switched to beowulf trying to beat his brother and parasoul kid was nearly keeping me out with peacock. All characters with either big buttons or spammable moves. They naturally developed tactics to counter me and even eachothers playstlyes and were adapting to their meta as it changed daily. Although they did ban me from using robo fortune because none of them could deal with the faster projectiles. Its amazing how much improvement you can have in three weeks just with someone who knows the basics and a desire to get good enough to beat them.
This is the most wholesome video on Christmas day 😂
Watching this video made me really happy
Looking at the tier list and a serious breakdown of how the 6th grade meta works is actually dope
Thats such a cool story. Alot of people all new to a game learning a developing a new meta. But also its probably way more enjoyable than school work, so its still a mostly positive experience even when road bumps like projectiles show up. Like even if you go 0/3 to some cheese no one understands, you can't be too tilted because its still a day off.
Wait until the kids learn how to dustloop
I just realized : the tournament is played on arcade sticks. The zappa kid also got a stick loooooooooooooooooool
This makes me wonder if the Teacher has ever brought his friend who also plays GG over during class, they fight each other and show their class some of the sheer craziness the game offers once they learn motion inputs, assuming they haven't already. That would blow the kids' minds to Space!
Having that match be the last thing these kids learn from the Teacher before summer would be so cool!
This was me and my tight pals for a long time in BB:CPE, We legit thought that Terumi was some legendary god for getting his meter in seconds then people like Hakumen where trash for having less obviously useful moves to new to fighting game players, and then, I became the ULTIMATE player in our little group through what I called... "The Snake Style", no not Hazama or Terumi... Azrael!!! I simply played Azrael and spammed his overhead and low heavy moves over and over, they covered insane range and for people with little to no reaction time, it was like an oki mixup every second where blocking just meant I did it again!!! I became the biggest fish in our teeny tiny pond of a few kids playing fighting games lol
Truly good tierlists don't matter at low levels of play. I'm a newbie UNIclr player. I once got bodied like 10 games in a row by Hilda, since I have no idea of what to do against her. I play with Wagner.
Other thing to remember about tier lists is different regions can have different ideas of tiers even if they're still at a more experienced level. Yu was never bad in BBTAG in the western tier lists, but he was so bad in Japan they gave him a complete overhaul in one of the big updates. I also heard something about Hilda being top tier stateside but bottom tier in Japan but I tend to avoid tier lists in general so I cant verify that.
From what i've heard, japanese metas tend to favor strong neutral and characters with versatile options. Where a lot of western metas tend to favor tools to bypass neutral, and force the opponent to play the game your way. It's interesting.
This is a very cool and wholesome idea! I love the internal meta and it reminds me of my early SFV games vs friends where we learned the game by just playing (it was all our first fgc game) and developed our own wacky metas that would change dramatically everyday thanks to someone learning a new move or strategy
Clearly they’re holding back the sword. Lull the class into a false sense of security. Everyone’s got to have a pocket ace.
I think that perception of "you have to learn everything on the planet before you go play the game" is a weird but unfortunate by-product of getting older. Kids play to play, because they haven't completely integrated that mentality of being incredibly prepared for everything, whereas a lot of older players may have that kind of sentiment ingrained deep within them from, well, being an adult, where everything needs (and kinda expects) preparation and research if you want to do the best.
I wish I could be in a local fighting game community... Oh my god having people live to play with, talk about the game casually, face to face, sounds so nice... I wish I could have a community like that
That's such a cool class! I had a similar, though small, case happen when I played Street Fighter 4 with my 2 young cousins. They didn't even have all the characters unlocked, but you could see they already created a meta. I don't know anything about Street Fighter so bear with me. Level 1 was Bison. He had this big ass punch attack that they loved to spam to punish approaches. I lost a few times, then started to counter it and they started to play a bit different. I must have poked the bear though, because then they brought out level 2. My cousin, after I start beating his Bison, swaps to El Fuerte. I almost immediately see why. Dude's got like a standing overhead or something to punish low blocks. After he hits, he's kinda spaces a bit so fast moves don't seem to help much. I ended up beating him there too after a few losses.
I think the coolest part of that experience was just to see how these kids were trying to figure this thing out and deal with these problems. They don't know about us nerds over here, so they work together to solve these problems and learn. Really cool to see how much fun you can have without just following whatever the real "meta" is.
Ngl the fact that the teacher manage to convince an entire class of 6th grader to play a 2d sprites fighting game from like 15 years ago is wild to me.
Speaking from experience, playing fighting games on a projector is godlike.
I remember when SF4 came out and people were coming out with laggy monitor character tier lists.
You gotta remember your environment.
God what a cool teacher wish I could’ve had him
This is also making me rethink my old character choices, how when I started I loved the big pokes and it was prevalent in all choices up until xrd where my play finally evolved from a basic level
Hmm, 6th grade is about when I stopped paying attention to fighting games when I was a kid. I don't think we got dial-up until the next year, so the only way I knew how to do MK3 and UMK3 fatalities was from my Game Informers. Now, I have this hilarious image in my mind of The Dustloop Encyclopedia sitting on the shelf at the bookstore and me trying to convince my mom to buy this 1000-page book for me. And I probably would have read have the entire damn thing just for the interest factor, learned little from it, still been terrible against non-computer components (a.k.a people), and I still would've been happy. I guess, trying to get back into my 6th-grade mind, in terms of introducing the kid to that level of information, these are my thoughts...
Yeah, I agree that everybody should probably be made aware of it, because otherwise, you've introduced favoritism into the tournaments, and that could sour a lot of kids and make the whole innocent enterprise fall apart. I would only do it as part of lesson on responsibility, restraint, priorities, etc. Tell the kids, hey, if you're really interested in learning more, you may eventually find very detailed resources on the internet. And tell them that it's not a good idea to lose perspective and get totally sucked into that. It's not worth starting to not do your homework, it's not worth getting so into it that it feels more like it's become homework instead of being fun, and so on. Like, always keep asking yourself, kiddos, "Am I having _fun_ with this _fun_ video game?" But it seems like the author is already so far along with fighting games in class and has such a cool relationship with his class that this isn't a weird, uncomfortable, bizarre, out-of-nowhere discussion to have with them.
An argument FOR telling them about this is that may fill a bit of gap in their intellectual lives if they're bored. Go watch "Why Gifted Kids Are Actually Special Needs" by Dr. K at HealthyGamerGG. It's pretty eye opening. School is very one-size-fits-all, and for certain kids, it so far below them that have feel no challenge, they don't what it's like to work for something, don't know how to deal with and learn from failure, and it has real detrimental effects later on. Ask me how I know. Video games, on the other hand he points out, move at exactly the pace of the child. You learn video games by trying, failing, succeeding, going a step higher, repeat, at your pace, and it made so much sense to me to hear that. So, some kids might really enjoy having that ability to take their own dive into the more detailed aspects. BUT, BUT, BUT, they need to be counseled up front on how to not let it take over their life, especially if they're doing it for wrong, non-healthy reasons. There's a hell of a lot more videos on his channel about video game addiction, especially in kids. But I definitely think it's worth responsibly throwing it out there since the whole situation has already been thoroughly primed with these tournaments. 99% of the kids won't care, but you don't necessarily know which kid will bite the hook. It may not be Zappa kid. Zappa kid may be very content where is. It might be the quiet kid in the corner that wants to beat Zappa kid and just doesn't know where to start. As an adult of too many years, I NEVER assume anymore that anyone will eventually find information. I have countless life experiences disproving that. Just properly advise and warn before giving opening the floodgates, though.
Wait until the quiet kid in the back mains Testament.
This is amazing, I hope teach lets it evolve naturally and doesn't tell them anything.
I'd love to see an update where the teacher loses and the kids put the winner's character in SS tier
I think this also brings up a good point about playing against others around your skill level as well
Tier lists at different levels of play also reminds me of other games like Dota, where at low levels heros with invisibility feel stronger. And not only does skill level affect character strength perception, but as a game matures, the average skill level of most players increases. So even low skill players become better as a whole, and it changes perception too. Such a cool video, put a smile on my face :)
To anybody who misses this kind of thing, just find a buddy and boot up random shit on fightcade. Building out your own meta and ideas about character strength is super fun.
Holy shit that teacher deserves an award
I wonder how these kids would react seeing the EX versions of the +R characters.
Tier lists are interesting cause I think most people go to them to answer the question "who should I play?". A lot of times people just say pick who you think is cool, but that can be a hard thing for a new player to answer, especially if they're new to fighting games. All they'd have to go off is character design which based off your tastes could give you a real rough start.
Alright story time, when Smash 4 came out I had a friend who was adamant that he had to play Diddy Kong cause "he's the best character". I assume he got it from an early tier list or something. It was his first Smash game and he didn't have fun with it, probably cause Diddy was too technical and all his cool stuff was locked behind that. I tried to get him to just play someone else, but he refused cause 'Diddy was the best'. Within a week he never touched the game again.
When Smash Ultimate came out we played on my copy without him really getting a chance to look things up. He ended up just jumping around the cast until he found Bowser's suicide throw and that was the greatest thing in the world to him. If he was able to pull that off once in a match he was happy, win or lose.
To go back to the question of, "who should I play?", I think it be interesting to change the way tier list are done. Instead of ranking characters on a single axis of how good they are you could give them different ratings. I.E. Fun, Strength, Difficulty ect.... That way new players could sort the cast based off what they're looking to get out of the game. I don't know maybe people would still hone in on who top player said was the best.
Man, I found the original post when it came out and it was such a fun read.
I honestly love this little story going on. I love to see the much younger generation getting into Guilty Gear and in such a fun way. I can't wait to see how they improve over time, maybe even the teacher could record footage of a tournament to see how they play during matches! (Also can someone maybe send the link to the Reddit thread. I wanna continue to follow this through the following months)
The link is in the video description!
@@ericbloodsmith5161 Yeah I noticed it right once I finished posting the comment lol. I hope Sajam might continue to cover it as it goes on
Something I've been doing is buying up steam keys for this game whenever I see it drop below 5 bucks and send them out to my non FGC friends and help them learn. Worst case scenario, I waste a few bucks. Best case scenario, I ignite a lifelong passion for fighting games in someone who's never really given them a real shot.
I'm a teaching major, and if I ever get the chance to do this with students I am going to. I love fighting games, and I love sharing my love for fighting games with people who are willing to learn those games. If we could hang out on a free day and have a strive tournament or even some other game like third strike, that would be great.
It’s honestly fascinating to see how a fighting game meta develops in a vacuum with players who know little to nothing about fighting games
About a year ago I started playing tough love arena much more with a friend. A month into us playing (and me beating his ass) I asked him to make a tier list. Unsurprisingly, my character was at the very top and his was at the very bottom. A week ago I asked him to make another one and it looked so different. Not related much to the video but I love this story a ton
That's more relevant than you think it is. Tier lists are based on knowledge and experience. The longer you play, the more you discover. The more you discover, the more your opinion may differ. This tier list story, along with yours, prove that tier lists don't mean much if you don't play the game for value other then leisure. Knowledge about the best character in the game (at that moment )only goes so far. And once that character goes down the list, the concern goes away. Playing the game for fun shouldn't care about who's the best character. It's in the third word of the last sentence. Fun.
Reminds me of playing brawl in 5th grade. Some kid brought a wii on the last day of school and the meta was a disaster. Meta knight was top tier but not because normal meta knight stuff but because his rapid jab went all around him and noone could space attacks. The counter was projectiles and ppl didnt know how to do side bs so they went samus and ran away and spammed charge shot, then pit and zelda went way up but noone knew how to switch back from sheik so zelda players were effectively playing with 2 stocks and they could randomly turn into a effectively useless character.
God, this video takes me back to when I was in 8th grade and a teacher brought an mvc3 setup and we were all playing with simple controls. Dante was banned after a couple hours since everyone was using him. It's been 8 or so years so my memory is hazy, but the characters people saw the most success with outside of dante was Deadpool, haggar, Spider-Man, wesker, and viewtiful Joe. I kinda want to try an experiment now with people unfamiliar with the genre to see what meta they come up with