Excellent review. Good job of categorizing the pros and cons and then detailing if a "con" really matters in the end (like the non-adjustable suspension.) It is refreshing to see a review that doesn't dismiss a bike as not worth buying if it is not the "best in class."
To have it priced almost the same as a Street Triple RS makes me smile. I owned a Streetfighter 848 for a couple of years, test rode the Supersport S and a couple of others and went and bought the STRS. If you actually ride, the Ducati will be a pain in the ass in the long run. If you don't ride that much, want something pretty to look at and money to burn, buy one you'll be really happy.
Other than the slip on being different to the other models is the manifold different? Great summary on the new bikes - other than dash im happy with my 2015 :)
The front looks quite squashy...as long as it doesn't compromise the feel too much. It's still pretty good looking, though, and has the grunty sound that conveys that distinctive Ducati exhaust/engine note.
That was mostly the stupidly bumpy roads, but the fork did well. It only compromises the ride initially, like a teeny tiny bit of understeer, until you twig to ride and steer the bike mostly from your hips and let the front just get on with it, that is. outboard it sounds okay, onboard it's very quiet.
Fast Bikes Magazine I like the sound of it with a competition werkes slip-on - a relatively cheap upgrade, way less than the termignoni, and sounds better.
Fast Bikes Magazine Then again, th3 street triple and the brutale both sound quite good with a slip-on. The brutale also gets the edge on styling and on having the most savage name, but I think most riders who 'know' would opt for the 765.
I always thought that those riding compilations were on closed roads, but i saw cars coming in the opposite direction! and he even pulled a wheelie in the direction of the car!
Chris GOONER I always assumed the "closed roads" claim was just made up to account for the speed/wheelies. Find it hard to believe a public road would be closed so some folk could test ride a bike.
Many are, many aren't, depends on the launch/test/whatever, trick is finding the balance on ones that aren't, been doing this a long time and so long as you don't take the piss, coppers etc leave you be. Well, mostly...
Mostly because of ground-clearance, but also as the bike is overly set-up for road use first and foremost. You could still have fun riding one on track, but then you could on anything really.
It is a shame, but they have found a pretty excellent compromise for a 'stock' setting, most folk won't ever want for anything else, didn't bother us slow or fast, only the lack of the option is a miss.
Fast Bikes Magazine Rockafella1690 Made a great point. This was my exact point about being comparable to the Competition. Over 10k+ out here in the US and no adjustable suspension. Back in the days when Ducati pulled stuff like this, they could get away with it. Now, it’s a different story. The Competition is bringing their A game at a lower price point, higher service intervals and some premium features and still priced lower than a Ducati. Which makes it a tough market once you look pass the Ducati brand recognition.
Our research done over decades shows very few ever do Gerhard, most just get on with the bike out of the crate and there's nothing wrong with that, manufacturers do spend huge amounts of testing time finding a balanced setup to suit most people, and while any setup can be improved to the personal taste (or use) of the respective owner, they tend to find a decent medium that keeps 99% happy.
Good looking bike. Would be nice to see what other bikes are in the same class, who the typical customer might be, and where this fits in Ducatis line up. I must say, reliability prejudice puts me off non Japanese bikes.
Something most Italian manufacturers still suffer from, even though reliability has been vastly improved. Funny enough, and we won't name names, but the two manufacturers with the worst reliability/recall record (in relation to numbers of bikes sold, to issues) are not Italian, believe it or not! In the next issue of the print edition of Fast Bikes, out in a couple of weeks, the 2016 Monster (which is the same as this bike minus the cosmetic upgrades), goes up against a whole bunch of rivals!
I have a 821 2017, I haven't drove the speed tripple. I kind of get turned of by the look of it. On the other hand I love the look of the 675 Datuna. It's something I would love to try.
i got the 2012 evo 1100. In the beginning i question myself why have i bought this bike? but as time goes by im loving it more as i got used to the bike. I realize the potential of the bike and i can ride harder, brake harder, turn quicker than my previous bike which is a z1000. I hv no regret buying this bike. no regret at all. Everyday i ride it like its MotoGP
Would you recommend this bike to a new rider? I’m thinking of getting this bike in the future but I have no experience. I will say this though, I’d be a responsible rider and definitely take my time building up my skills. I’m 24
Daniel Pirone sure, great bike for fun and beauty. Get some rider safety books and just start reading and exploring. If your wildly meticulous with your attention you’ll stay safe. Read from “Twist The Wrist 2”. ✌🏽
It's definitely very friendly, very easy to ride, use and is not so sports focused or wheelie-bonkers as others in this segment, so it could make a great first bike after you've done all your licence and rider training - though there is slightly smaller Monsters also available, which would be even better as a first bike option.
Fast Bikes Magazine this truly is such a beautiful bike! But is it really true about Ducati’s having so many problems? Like they break down a lot etc.. also maintenance being super expensive? I can’t get a straight answer from anyone.
Every manufacturer has problems at some point, anything mass produced will really no matter the product, most of the 'issues' with Italian bikes comes from years ago, reliability has been improved hugely for a long time now. Servicing is more expensive generally than the usual fare, but then that's part and parcel with buying something considered by many as more exclusive. Plenty of other bikes to choose from, MT-07 or 09, Z800, GSX-S750 etc etc, if you'd feel happier with something considered more reliable, but you should be okay with a Monster too, they're pretty solid from what we can gather.
I started with a ducati scrambler as my first bike. I love it so much, it’s my baby :) I’m now looking for the monster due to the fact that they are different bikes.
Please help me, I getting a bike this week. But they're two bikes I love, One is the 2013 triumph Street triple, the other is a 2017 Ducati 821 Stripe with only 305 miles on it. The street triple had 1819 miles on her. I'm familiar with a triumph Street triple but I am not that familiar with Ducati would this bike make me a good dependable and fun bike to ride. Any advise, Freddy
Is it worth it? Well, in Canada it is competitively priced to the Street Triple. I've ridden both the older 821 and the 675 street Triple R and had a hard time deciding between the two. I liked the size of it as well. The comment about having to make the bike ride like a hooligan bike is ridiculous. It had incredible power that let me spin the rear tire at will. Given the cost I'll get a non current 821 and save a few grand. If I didn't have that as an option maybe a new Street Triple R 765 though.
Love that yellow, but for the money I’d take the Triumph Street Triple RS any day over this Monster. The 821 just isn’t that good. Save your money and get a 797 or step up to the 1200 if you must have a Monster. Here’s hoping for that yellow on both those models next year!
If had that much cash to spare I would go for the Speed Tripple S which has adjustable suspension and not to mention SSSA which is one of the reasons people like Ducati's. With no SSSA the bike is not that sexy :)
"It's a Ducati" is not a really helpful way to review a bike or to sum up. (Ducatis have negative connotation for many bikers too, just saying...) Let's get more objective rather than just trying to please the manufacturer for giving you guys a free stay in Italy and a ride on their bikes. The pros and cons should be listed more objectively rather than be apologetic about the cons and gushing over the small "pros". This is a mediocre upgrade, if you can all it that at all! Expected more from you guys.
Hey BK, thanks for the comments, Ducati's branding also has many positive connotations for people too we'd say, we know many people just happy to be riding a Ducati and also, as you say, many who the brand makes shudder too. I don't remember being apologetic about the cons, it's just that some of those 'cons' aren't really cons to the majority of bikers in the 'real world', only in a testing perspective. And even then, if we can't look at a perceived and highlighted 'negative' and then consider it from different angles, we're not doing our jobs properly. It's very easy, and lazy, to say 'that bit is pretty crap' and leave it at that - for example - the lack of fork adjustment, yeah it's a miss and would be nice but the fact remains the setting they've found is very good (as evidenced over an extreme variety of road surfaces on the launch), and will suit the majority of bikers especially given all the research we've done over decades points to the fact that such a small number touches their suspension anyway, and quite often a stock setup is simply good enough, so there's no need. So, con - no adjustment, but pro - to most it won't matter even if having the ability to is nice, of course it is! And yeah you're right it's not an upgrade, don't think we even said it is (hence " " at the start), but that doesn't stop the bike from being good, even if it does lag behind in a sporting sense compared to some of its rivals, which it clearly does as I'm pretty sure I said you have to make the bike do that kind of thing. Anyway, thanks again!
That is not what I was alluding to- fine, you spent some time defending lack of adjustable suspension but there's a ton of other stuff that is more important to a lot of people- seat height, rider triangle, long-range comfort, passenger accommodation, sport-touring versatility, switchable ABS, heat management, engine heat on rider, pressure on wrists/body position, valve adjustment intervals, servicing, etc etc....Would be helpful if you could suss out what riders want to know about and include those in your review. There are some reviewers who do that and it feels more in touch with reality and what people want to know. Not everyone is a weekend carver- the suspension is only one thing. But, that said, despite your defense, not having adjustable suspension on a expensive bike is not cool considering many "low-end" bikes come with some sort of adjustability and it's not only to stiffen up the suspenders for twisties- many factors go into modifying suspension and considering Ducati's "sports" heritage, this is just being cheap. Anyway, hope to see more informed reviews in the future. Thanks.
Fair points all, but then there's probably as many who couldn't care less about a lot of those points you mentioned, and in nine minutes we have to try and reach a balance for everyone, not just one group of riders who crave the smaller details, nor those who just want to know how fast it'll go, or how it'd handle, or wheelie, or mpg figures, or comfort over long distance, or etc etc, I could go on - not saying they're not important, but this piece is specifically made for TV, don't forget that, which Bike World also posts here as well as appearing on their TV show, and if we were to delve into all those things it may be extra informative, you're right, but would hardly make for interesting or stimulating viewing. Usually I test bikes within Fast Bikes Magazine parameters, but with Bike World it's opened out wider, yet should we try and encompass every single facet, for every type of rider of every kind of body type or height, for every type of use, it'd be a very, very long piece, and we're pretty sure Bike World would agree on this. Plus, most of this information is readily available at the quick press of a button, the lack of it could inspire some to do a bit of research themselves, although we'll take it onboard and have a chat with Bike World as to how we could address this in future based on your feedback. As for the suspension, I agree with you, you're right, it is disappointing you can't adjust it. But for a 6'2", 15-stone bloke, the stock set up I thought was bang on with virtually nothing to complain about, and not stating this because of said lack of adjustability would be unfair, wouldn't it? Cheers BK, keep 'em coming, we can only get better through it ;-)
I think the smaller details and the bigger details- all count. A bike and its experience is the sum of its parts. In this era of "fake news", everyone has the right to get all the information to make an informed decision and it's pretty possible to include them in 9 minutes if fluff like Italians wearing shorts in summers etc were left out- I am not asking to explain rocket science here. It's the details which make people realize the shortcomings of a bike- and the decision to omit them just smells of bias. Plus, many see the absence of adjustable suspension in an expensive bike in its segment to be a definite oversight considering how everybody else has them- no matter it may work for most out of the box, the ability to change is important, even if once- rather than spending another grand "improving" the suspenders or just having another reason to complain. For me that is only tip of the problem- I have been a Monster fan for the longest time but their Harley-esque notoriety in maintaining them just doesn't bode well for a daily rider like me. I guess you don't make reviews for riders like me, or for who care about getting value for their money or for those who want adjustable suspension...are you saying TV reviews are for people who only care about brand image and how cool a bike looks and how it "generally" handles? Just for reference- Fortnine on UA-cam makes the informative stuff feel very interesting- and so do some other shows- maybe humor has something to do with it? Like i said, it's not rocket science (just a bike review) and judging by this video's production quality, I am sure you guys can do it too. So, good luck! Cheers!
coming from z1000 i switched to 1100 evo few months back, loving it more the more i ride it. It's a fun bike to ride. With its light weight, you can ride harder, brake harder, turn quicker than a Z1 and not to forget the beautiful exhaust note. You should hv a try.
We'd say they compete on all fronts, but do things their own way of course, which ends up often being quite different from most others (not that there's anything wrong with that), so in that regard you're right. Yet at no point did they say this was a 'new' model, it's just an update (mostly cosmetic) of the existing 821 which is still fairly new in model year terms.
Fast Bikes Magazine Very true. This is by no means to knock Ducati because I’m a Ducati guy. I’d just like to see them be comparable to the competition when it comes to their bread and butter line “the Monster”. They are definitely cutting edge when talking about Super bikes though. Triumph is slowly creeping up on Ducati in the elite spectrum. In this vid you guys made mention of the TFT Dash but take a look at the new Triumph Speed and Street Triple. They are ahead and exceeding.
Oh yes indeed, the Trumpet dash is a wonderful thing, class leading within this class for sure. Do get what you're saying about their bread and butter stuff though, understood.
All motorcycles should be sold without those rediculous cats and mufflers leaving us a choice for exhausts and cutting the price by a grand. That shit gets pitched day one anyway and they are always too quiet, too big and too rediculius
This review sounds a lot like the presenter doing his best to not say bad things about the bike, but bad things sneaking out anyway. Basically, it sounds like there are a lot of caveats for what he says is a great bike at the end, and then just implies you should just ignore the faults because it says 'Ducati' on the tank. M'kay, I'll pass.
Excellent review. Good job of categorizing the pros and cons and then detailing if a "con" really matters in the end (like the non-adjustable suspension.) It is refreshing to see a review that doesn't dismiss a bike as not worth buying if it is not the "best in class."
Grazie Timothy!
Fun review. Looked like our host was having a laugh and thrashing the hell out of it. Lovely stuff.
I was, and thank you!
Beautiful ride ! The colour is perfect match!
Beautifully shot video.
Thanks, another great job from Bike World!
Thanks!
Wow you really wheelie well on this machine
To have it priced almost the same as a Street Triple RS makes me smile. I owned a Streetfighter 848 for a couple of years, test rode the Supersport S and a couple of others and went and bought the STRS. If you actually ride, the Ducati will be a pain in the ass in the long run. If you don't ride that much, want something pretty to look at and money to burn, buy one you'll be really happy.
Why a pain in the long run.?
3:07 LOL Public road, Bro
Great review - thank you.
Other than the slip on being different to the other models is the manifold different?
Great summary on the new bikes - other than dash im happy with my 2015 :)
It is a bit weird all the hype over a color, I actually thought it's the same bike they just added a new color, didn't realize it had updates.
Mostly cosmetic
Hey that's the hotel in Rimini I stayed at when I went to the DRE at Misano. Highly recommend
Like staying in an i-Pad with a Penguin enclosure for a swimming pool!
Great Hotel, we might head back there for WDW next year.
You had a big room though, with a bath!
The front looks quite squashy...as long as it doesn't compromise the feel too much. It's still pretty good looking, though, and has the grunty sound that conveys that distinctive Ducati exhaust/engine note.
That was mostly the stupidly bumpy roads, but the fork did well. It only compromises the ride initially, like a teeny tiny bit of understeer, until you twig to ride and steer the bike mostly from your hips and let the front just get on with it, that is. outboard it sounds okay, onboard it's very quiet.
Fast Bikes Magazine I like the sound of it with a competition werkes slip-on - a relatively cheap upgrade, way less than the termignoni, and sounds better.
Fast Bikes Magazine Then again, th3 street triple and the brutale both sound quite good with a slip-on. The brutale also gets the edge on styling and on having the most savage name, but I think most riders who 'know' would opt for the 765.
Great looking film loved it
Thanks Rob!
I always thought that those riding compilations were on closed roads, but i saw cars coming in the opposite direction! and he even pulled a wheelie in the direction of the car!
Not on purpose, er, ahem...
Chris GOONER I always assumed the "closed roads" claim was just made up to account for the speed/wheelies. Find it hard to believe a public road would be closed so some folk could test ride a bike.
Many are, many aren't, depends on the launch/test/whatever, trick is finding the balance on ones that aren't, been doing this a long time and so long as you don't take the piss, coppers etc leave you be. Well, mostly...
They stop to watch, especially in Italy.
Great review, great host, welcome to bikeworld mr.fastbike :)
Cheers!
I don't get it. You explain how nimble and good it is at turning, still you don't think it should be ridden on a track?
Mostly because of ground-clearance, but also as the bike is overly set-up for road use first and foremost. You could still have fun riding one on track, but then you could on anything really.
When you’re riding, the frontal area makes it look like a Grom!
Ha!
A sad statement, riding modes on an 800. Gotta like that fishtail at 3:00 where you almost highsided into that car lol
Was a depression in the road which the rear hit just as the front came off the floor by a whisker, felt a lot worse than it looked!
Non adjustable suspension on a ten grand bike? No thanks.
It is a shame, but they have found a pretty excellent compromise for a 'stock' setting, most folk won't ever want for anything else, didn't bother us slow or fast, only the lack of the option is a miss.
Fast Bikes Magazine Rockafella1690 Made a great point. This was my exact point about being comparable to the Competition. Over 10k+ out here in the US and no adjustable suspension. Back in the days when Ducati pulled stuff like this, they could get away with it. Now, it’s a different story. The Competition is bringing their A game at a lower price point, higher service intervals and some premium features and still priced lower than a Ducati. Which makes it a tough market once you look pass the Ducati brand recognition.
CLUTCH1st I reckon the brand association is the only draw when comparing against say a Street Triple RS.
How many riders really adjust the suspension, unless they arent an average human being?
Our research done over decades shows very few ever do Gerhard, most just get on with the bike out of the crate and there's nothing wrong with that, manufacturers do spend huge amounts of testing time finding a balanced setup to suit most people, and while any setup can be improved to the personal taste (or use) of the respective owner, they tend to find a decent medium that keeps 99% happy.
Good review Beej !!
I'll stick with my AirCooled Monster :)
Thanks Barry!
Good looking bike. Would be nice to see what other bikes are in the same class, who the typical customer might be, and where this fits in Ducatis line up.
I must say, reliability prejudice puts me off non Japanese bikes.
Something most Italian manufacturers still suffer from, even though reliability has been vastly improved. Funny enough, and we won't name names, but the two manufacturers with the worst reliability/recall record (in relation to numbers of bikes sold, to issues) are not Italian, believe it or not! In the next issue of the print edition of Fast Bikes, out in a couple of weeks, the 2016 Monster (which is the same as this bike minus the cosmetic upgrades), goes up against a whole bunch of rivals!
At the end of the day, it's a Ducati. #TRUTH
Hi could someone tell me the advantages of getting the quickshift? Never used a bike with one fitted in
Changes up the gears faster allowing you to keep the throttle wide open.
Bike sounds good !
It's actually really quiet onboard, can hear lots of ticking at speed but very little engine, Euro4 for you!
I'd still take the street triple.
every single day of the week. I've ridden the new RS and in my opinion, it's the only game in town in the middle weight roadster class 💪
1066Rider I meant the new 765. Game changer.
go for the z900 mates.
I have a 821 2017, I haven't drove the speed tripple. I kind of get turned of by the look of it. On the other hand I love the look of the 675 Datuna. It's something I would love to try.
I love Ducati's but the only way to buy them is low mileage/used. I bought a 2013 EVO 1100 with 624 miles for $7200.00. Love the bike.
Bargain!
i got the 2012 evo 1100. In the beginning i question myself why have i bought this bike? but as time goes by im loving it more as i got used to the bike. I realize the potential of the bike and i can ride harder, brake harder, turn quicker than my previous bike which is a z1000. I hv no regret buying this bike. no regret at all. Everyday i ride it like its MotoGP
I love buying used bikes but I'm terrified of buying Ducati used. Is the maintenance very taxing? I love the monster and the new scrambler.
now ducatis are becoming more reliable
please change the headlight design. The monster used to have such an iconic look.
Would you recommend this bike to a new rider? I’m thinking of getting this bike in the future but I have no experience. I will say this though, I’d be a responsible rider and definitely take my time building up my skills. I’m 24
Daniel Pirone sure, great bike for fun and beauty. Get some rider safety books and just start reading and exploring. If your wildly meticulous with your attention you’ll stay safe. Read from “Twist The Wrist 2”. ✌🏽
It's definitely very friendly, very easy to ride, use and is not so sports focused or wheelie-bonkers as others in this segment, so it could make a great first bike after you've done all your licence and rider training - though there is slightly smaller Monsters also available, which would be even better as a first bike option.
Fast Bikes Magazine this truly is such a beautiful bike! But is it really true about Ducati’s having so many problems? Like they break down a lot etc.. also maintenance being super expensive? I can’t get a straight answer from anyone.
Every manufacturer has problems at some point, anything mass produced will really no matter the product, most of the 'issues' with Italian bikes comes from years ago, reliability has been improved hugely for a long time now. Servicing is more expensive generally than the usual fare, but then that's part and parcel with buying something considered by many as more exclusive. Plenty of other bikes to choose from, MT-07 or 09, Z800, GSX-S750 etc etc, if you'd feel happier with something considered more reliable, but you should be okay with a Monster too, they're pretty solid from what we can gather.
I started with a ducati scrambler as my first bike. I love it so much, it’s my baby :) I’m now looking for the monster due to the fact that they are different bikes.
which color Ducati u would suggest?
Ducati Monster?
+Bike World yes monster 821
Yellow all the way!
+Bike World thanks man
Please help me, I getting a bike this week. But they're two bikes I love, One is the 2013 triumph Street triple, the other is a 2017 Ducati 821 Stripe with only 305 miles on it. The street triple had 1819 miles on her. I'm familiar with a triumph Street triple but I am not that familiar with Ducati would this bike make me a good dependable and fun bike to ride.
Any advise,
Freddy
Get both. Sell the one you don't like
@@sunnyghosh8725 lol,,, got the Street Triple and I love her.
@@streettriplesstoney5534 couldn't have gone wrong with either one
What’s the purpose of that lever thing at the tank?
Mohammad Faizal to pop the tank open
Tank clamp! Retro design only.
white on red was the best color combo and they axed it smh
Yeah that was sweet.
True!
Our fav also.
no single sided swing arm?
Not this time around it seems.
Is it worth it? Well, in Canada it is competitively priced to the Street Triple. I've ridden both the older 821 and the 675 street Triple R and had a hard time deciding between the two. I liked the size of it as well. The comment about having to make the bike ride like a hooligan bike is ridiculous. It had incredible power that let me spin the rear tire at will. Given the cost I'll get a non current 821 and save a few grand. If I didn't have that as an option maybe a new Street Triple R 765 though.
Top presenter!!!
Blushing...
Love that yellow, but for the money I’d take the Triumph Street Triple RS any day over this Monster. The 821 just isn’t that good. Save your money and get a 797 or step up to the 1200 if you must have a Monster. Here’s hoping for that yellow on both those models next year!
Where is the single sided swingarm
Allah Turbo on the 1200
Tuyen Hoang then it’s a dang downgrade, used to be on 796
On both sides! :-)
I Would wait for the new KTM Duke 790.....
Hey, a bit more respect for the presentations! ;-D
Spending that money I would expect adjustable forks.
Great review, loved this host
Blushing... thanks!
If had that much cash to spare I would go for the Speed Tripple S which has adjustable suspension and not to mention SSSA which is one of the reasons people like Ducati's. With no SSSA the bike is not that sexy :)
They really should have kept the SSSA. The 796 had it, and that was also the middle weight Monster.
Guys what exactly is SSSA?
kolokolok 2016
Sex, sex, sex and Ass.
Short for single sided swing arm.
CapZ, thank you sir!
Presented like a man under duress! What’s your real opinion?
A man under-slept more like...
It's kinda a nice bike but kinda expensive at £10k for this kinda bike. Kinda prefer the new Scrambler.
Michael Chase entirely different bikes though, no?
"It's a Ducati" is not a really helpful way to review a bike or to sum up. (Ducatis have negative connotation for many bikers too, just saying...) Let's get more objective rather than just trying to please the manufacturer for giving you guys a free stay in Italy and a ride on their bikes. The pros and cons should be listed more objectively rather than be apologetic about the cons and gushing over the small "pros". This is a mediocre upgrade, if you can all it that at all! Expected more from you guys.
Hey BK, thanks for the comments, Ducati's branding also has many positive connotations for people too we'd say, we know many people just happy to be riding a Ducati and also, as you say, many who the brand makes shudder too. I don't remember being apologetic about the cons, it's just that some of those 'cons' aren't really cons to the majority of bikers in the 'real world', only in a testing perspective. And even then, if we can't look at a perceived and highlighted 'negative' and then consider it from different angles, we're not doing our jobs properly. It's very easy, and lazy, to say 'that bit is pretty crap' and leave it at that - for example - the lack of fork adjustment, yeah it's a miss and would be nice but the fact remains the setting they've found is very good (as evidenced over an extreme variety of road surfaces on the launch), and will suit the majority of bikers especially given all the research we've done over decades points to the fact that such a small number touches their suspension anyway, and quite often a stock setup is simply good enough, so there's no need. So, con - no adjustment, but pro - to most it won't matter even if having the ability to is nice, of course it is! And yeah you're right it's not an upgrade, don't think we even said it is (hence " " at the start), but that doesn't stop the bike from being good, even if it does lag behind in a sporting sense compared to some of its rivals, which it clearly does as I'm pretty sure I said you have to make the bike do that kind of thing. Anyway, thanks again!
That is not what I was alluding to- fine, you spent some time defending lack of adjustable suspension but there's a ton of other stuff that is more important to a lot of people- seat height, rider triangle, long-range comfort, passenger accommodation, sport-touring versatility, switchable ABS, heat management, engine heat on rider, pressure on wrists/body position, valve adjustment intervals, servicing, etc etc....Would be helpful if you could suss out what riders want to know about and include those in your review. There are some reviewers who do that and it feels more in touch with reality and what people want to know. Not everyone is a weekend carver- the suspension is only one thing. But, that said, despite your defense, not having adjustable suspension on a expensive bike is not cool considering many "low-end" bikes come with some sort of adjustability and it's not only to stiffen up the suspenders for twisties- many factors go into modifying suspension and considering Ducati's "sports" heritage, this is just being cheap. Anyway, hope to see more informed reviews in the future. Thanks.
Fair points all, but then there's probably as many who couldn't care less about a lot of those points you mentioned, and in nine minutes we have to try and reach a balance for everyone, not just one group of riders who crave the smaller details, nor those who just want to know how fast it'll go, or how it'd handle, or wheelie, or mpg figures, or comfort over long distance, or etc etc, I could go on - not saying they're not important, but this piece is specifically made for TV, don't forget that, which Bike World also posts here as well as appearing on their TV show, and if we were to delve into all those things it may be extra informative, you're right, but would hardly make for interesting or stimulating viewing. Usually I test bikes within Fast Bikes Magazine parameters, but with Bike World it's opened out wider, yet should we try and encompass every single facet, for every type of rider of every kind of body type or height, for every type of use, it'd be a very, very long piece, and we're pretty sure Bike World would agree on this. Plus, most of this information is readily available at the quick press of a button, the lack of it could inspire some to do a bit of research themselves, although we'll take it onboard and have a chat with Bike World as to how we could address this in future based on your feedback. As for the suspension, I agree with you, you're right, it is disappointing you can't adjust it. But for a 6'2", 15-stone bloke, the stock set up I thought was bang on with virtually nothing to complain about, and not stating this because of said lack of adjustability would be unfair, wouldn't it? Cheers BK, keep 'em coming, we can only get better through it ;-)
I think the smaller details and the bigger details- all count. A bike and its experience is the sum of its parts. In this era of "fake news", everyone has the right to get all the information to make an informed decision and it's pretty possible to include them in 9 minutes if fluff like Italians wearing shorts in summers etc were left out- I am not asking to explain rocket science here. It's the details which make people realize the shortcomings of a bike- and the decision to omit them just smells of bias. Plus, many see the absence of adjustable suspension in an expensive bike in its segment to be a definite oversight considering how everybody else has them- no matter it may work for most out of the box, the ability to change is important, even if once- rather than spending another grand "improving" the suspenders or just having another reason to complain. For me that is only tip of the problem- I have been a Monster fan for the longest time but their Harley-esque notoriety in maintaining them just doesn't bode well for a daily rider like me. I guess you don't make reviews for riders like me, or for who care about getting value for their money or for those who want adjustable suspension...are you saying TV reviews are for people who only care about brand image and how cool a bike looks and how it "generally" handles?
Just for reference- Fortnine on UA-cam makes the informative stuff feel very interesting- and so do some other shows- maybe humor has something to do with it? Like i said, it's not rocket science (just a bike review) and judging by this video's production quality, I am sure you guys can do it too. So, good luck! Cheers!
Hey, get all your points but this was a launch review, there's only so much we can do in one day.
Are monsters for dwarves or can normal size men ride them too..?
I'm 6 foot 2", and was fine with it.
I'll pass on Ducati, no regrets with my Z1000 naked.
Cracking bike the Z! Forcing us to choose bettwen the Z and a Monster 12' may be a bit trickier though, bar the huge amounts of money saved of course!
Agreed.
coming from z1000 i switched to 1100 evo few months back, loving it more the more i ride it. It's a fun bike to ride. With its light weight, you can ride harder, brake harder, turn quicker than a Z1 and not to forget the beautiful exhaust note. You should hv a try.
Typical Ducati! “We’ve done nothing but everything is new.” They don’t even acknowledge and compete with what competitors are doing.
We'd say they compete on all fronts, but do things their own way of course, which ends up often being quite different from most others (not that there's anything wrong with that), so in that regard you're right. Yet at no point did they say this was a 'new' model, it's just an update (mostly cosmetic) of the existing 821 which is still fairly new in model year terms.
Fast Bikes Magazine Very true. This is by no means to knock Ducati because I’m a Ducati guy. I’d just like to see them be comparable to the competition when it comes to their bread and butter line “the Monster”. They are definitely cutting edge when talking about Super bikes though. Triumph is slowly creeping up on Ducati in the elite spectrum. In this vid you guys made mention of the TFT Dash but take a look at the new Triumph Speed and Street Triple. They are ahead and exceeding.
Oh yes indeed, the Trumpet dash is a wonderful thing, class leading within this class for sure. Do get what you're saying about their bread and butter stuff though, understood.
They have really fucked it up design -wise!...
give me a striple or ktm super duke any day.
Fair point, Monsters aren't for all!
stop doing power wheelies, u almost crash every time u do them
No, no I don't...
please, learn first, how to properly ride a bike!
Only been doing it as a job for two decades, but okay, will hook myself up for some proper training... ;-)
Fast Bikes Magazine Good idea!
Will get my high-vis vest and flip-up lid ready! :-)
Fast Bikes Magazine Now I see the light at the end of the tunnel for ya.;-)
@@fastbikes BB wolf probably has stabilisers on his bike. Great review mate and super riding BTW
All motorcycles should be sold without those rediculous cats and mufflers leaving us a choice for exhausts and cutting the price by a grand. That shit gets pitched day one anyway and they are always too quiet, too big and too rediculius
This review sounds a lot like the presenter doing his best to not say bad things about the bike, but bad things sneaking out anyway. Basically, it sounds like there are a lot of caveats for what he says is a great bike at the end, and then just implies you should just ignore the faults because it says 'Ducati' on the tank. M'kay, I'll pass.
Too expensive, has no water cooling.
the most idiotic bike !!