The Worst MR2 Finally Goes to the Racetrack!
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
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Fix everything wrong with this car, forget about horsepower for a moment. This car has the potential to make you a better driver.
yeah, just do an overhaul on all suspension/braking.
Just take out useless weight, like the radio or the exhaust
It's his "86" basically. How DK Tsuchiya (or Takumi from Initial-D) taught himself to drive better and faster using the AE86 Trueno. They both ended up having admiration for the car, even saying it is his favorite car. Nothing will teach u how to race/drive better, than a lightweight FR/MR car!
@@cyanprince00 Keiichi Tsuchiya started driving in a Skyline 2000 GT-R (i think a sedan), not in a Corolla AE86
@@Giuliana-w1f still a low horsepower car for today’s standards
Driving 'slow' cars flat-out is the best feeling ever...
Cope with driving a slow car lol
@@tabryis cope with having no friends
Just got a 2.5l jeep. That thing is a turd, wide open everywhere but in town, and it has trouble getting past 100 without a hill and tailwind. So much fun.
@@fernank017 LMFAOO
@@tabryis you comment bullshit like this constantly go back to putting a splitter on your honda accord like a good keyboard warrior
There is enough Honda Ks on your Channel, go 2zzGe with the C60 trans. Easiest Toyota swap out there , you keep your engine mounts* , axles , wire harness , that Morosso oil pan will also fit and is a must for a track car. Mine made 185whp on an ultra safe trackable tune with stock engine , intake and full exhaust.
Yup, I agree already enough Ks for this channel... 2ZZ-GE(T) IS THE WAY!
You can never have enough K's. 2ZZ are trash motors
2ar would be more interesting. I even say that as I'm getting ready to K swap mine
@@givemefreespeechyoutubehitlers 2zz is good, but k is always better. But 2zz is also not even half the price.
3rd gen MR2 is so underrated. This one is a total piece of garbage yet still ran more laps in 1 day than the Evo did in an entire Gridlife season. 2zz swap would break the K-swap trend G&G has, although could always go 2ar/2gr. I think the stock car with a quality suspension setup would expose your shortcomings as a driver & only make you better while keeping you on the track for endless laps to hone your driving skill. Excited to see the MR2 build continue
Mark at Frankenstein motor works has engineered a swap kit for the 2ar engine and is doing some wild things with that platform and has been racing them successfully in endurance events for years. If seat time and not breaking is the goal that’s a great platform. Plus it’s 220hp N/A with his tune.
Cool swap idea. Never heard of this option before. How does it compare from a cost and ease of execution perspective to a 2ZZ swap?
you know what's better?
*L S S W A P*
@@speedacademydave with any swap there are cheaper and expensive ways to get it done. The engines are everywhere as they were found in the 2011+scion tc’s with a 6 speed manual and in the same gen camrys but those are rarely found paired with a manual. A wrecked parts car is typically cheaper than piecing the swap together and mark himself has found an entire parts car I believe as low as 1200. The 2zz would likely be cheaper to swap in if you can get it at a reasonable cost however a 2zz with heavy miles is hard to come by in the markets I’m in. Even those sell at a premium, one with reasonable miles you can really trust to make it through race day over and over is a bit of a unicorn these days. Those engines were fantastic for their time and can still put in amazing lap times but this option gives you 30+ horse power more, more torque, and it’s incredibly robust. Mark has over 40k race miles on one of his engines. With Frankensteins parts the swap can be done in a day and is essentially bolt in. I sound like a shill, but I respect what mark has done for the mr2 community and the knowledge and experimentation he shares for free with the world. I highly encourage anyone who is into Motorsports to check out his channel at the least. His technical knowledge of not just engines but engine and body controls is so vast anyone can learn from it and apply it to any engine and car.
dude, the AR swaps :-L . god tier
I’d be surprised at 220 HP. What other mods does it take to get there? My GF has a 2014 TC with the 2AR and I always thought that engine was a pig. Makes like 180 to the crank, and that car is slowwwww.
As a 914 owner, I completely agree. Low HP, mid engine cars can be some of the most fun. You can spend way more time wide open on the throttle and the handling is so good!
Oh man, you lucky guy! A buddy had a 914 in high school. I never cared for the looks of them, but once I went for a ride in my buddy’s car, I fell in love. I wish I could find one at a reasonable price.
A 2ZZ-GE from a Matrix XRS, Vibe GT or a Celica GTS and the accompanying 6-speed manual transmission is ideal imo, representing GE-cylinder-headed Toyotas. Heck, Lotus used that motor in their Elises.
Wtf the Vibe GT had a 2zz? TIL
@@Snacksu yea it's a sleeper fr
@@Snacksu mhm, the vibe GT and XRS had the best ecu in 03-04 as well. Lift hits sooner and harder.
Plus you get like an 8k redline. all the revs in the world
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The MR2 is actually pretty fast.....if you watch the video at 2x playback speed!
And there was me, wondering why Ben speaks with such high tonality...
😂
Try watching on x0.75 instead!
Lmfaooo you funny as shit.
if you play it in -2x speed, hes even faster! hes passing everybody
In a lot of ways this is a perfect track car. You can go flat out and have a lot of fun and not worry about the what ifs of track days. Obviously there are some mechanical/safety improvements that should happen, but otherwise seems like a load of fun!
Exactly! It's the perfect car because it doesn't matter what happens to it
Love the track vids keep up the great work guys 👍
Big Fan
@fullboost when is the gsr gonna be back on track ?
100% dem bushings are flogged haha.
Sneaky 2ZZ swap with the expected handling refresh throughout and she'll be literally one of the funnest cars you have.
Super glad Ben is well and ok, and expected to make a full recovery.
what happened to him?
@@petrolmonkey1973 covid
@@petrolmonkey1973 spent 42 days in the hospital because of Covid
@@THEKNIGHT108 damn yeah glad he's okay from that
Good to hear
I had one of these and autocrossed a bunch. 2zz or k24 swaps are easy ;) there's even supercharger options. When cornering at the limit maintenance throttle is key! you need to commit to the corner and not back off abruptly. Ideally you should be able to not give steering input and tighten your radius by lifting or open it up by applying more throttle.
Since you had one I will ask you this. Do you thing it is worth it to trade my turbo Miata for a 2zz mr2?
@@v8_sami depends what you're into. if its a factory miata NB turbo it's definitely worth more money than the aftermarket swap mr2. If they're both home brew then what experience are you looking for? Miata can be more comfortable while still handling (double wishbone) and safer to drive in terms of spinning out. MR2 will have that mid engine experience which is a different way of driving. It's comparable in acceleration to the NB turbo I guess, though the high RPM v-tec vs turbo experience is different too. One thing to ask: the 2zz can mate to a 5 spd, or 6 spd, and either can have open or torsen diff. best combo is 2zz+6spd+torsen. Def worth it parts! more so than many other gimmicks. Ultimately if you put really sticky rubber on it though you have to do static camber and more roll stiffness, which diminishes your ability to deal with bumps. At high levels it will always be more of a compromise between performance and comfort/bumps upset performance than a miata.
@@v8_sami yes. In a heartbeat.
My 1zz blew up at 149.8k lmao boutta hit 150k with a 2zz heart swapped in it next year...
a k swapped tiny mid engine car sounds scary
“Do I have insurance on it? No. Do I have track insurance on it? No”
-My favorite lines of the whole video.
Bruh when he converted mile to knots😂😂😂
I want another MR2 really bad...
I would prefer this model (with a Widebody kit and facial Modifications) given the weight is MUCH better balanced than the previous Models being "light" in the front!
@B. Chan as do I. 91, widebody turbo
Running 2:22 on 200 TW tires in a car with strange braking and only 107 whp is quick! Excited to see you go even faster as you get this thing sorted out
2:22 is a very respectable time, you were hanging with the Porsche in the tight corners !!
I have a 2ZZ swap and the sounds is amazing. You really need a 6 speed for the gear ratios. A K series is no doubt better but the 2ZZ is more unique and would probably make you a better driver.
Guys definitely 2zz swap it with a c60 6spd lsd trans that’s what I’m running on my Mr2 spyder and it’s amazing. Also run an apexi power fc from Monkeywrench racing so jermaine can tune it!
I'd be willing be bet most of the ball joints/sway bar links and bushing in that whole car are toast. I'd also be willing to guess an arm or two might be lighty kinked or twisted. *PS Best feeling engine swap I've felt in that MR2 platform I think was a 2zzGE from a Celica GTS iirc (that wasn't k swap or heavy tight V6)*
"So what do I need to do in your professional opinion to go faster?" "Put a K-series in it." 😂😂😂😂😂
I love it! Honestly I think a factory K24 would be fantastic. Just a 160hp/162tq crv engine, with minor mods, would be a blast and pretty cheap!
an engine swap isn't ever cheap, unless it bolts right up to the frame and transmission. you have to figure in custom engine mounts, subframe mods, transmission adapter plate, new clutch, electronics, hoses etc etc.
the only "cheap" swap is a like for like one. fortunately Toyota made plenty of fun engines that'd bolt right on and provide 170-210hp for the price of the engine and time invested
I think he said no Honda swaps because that's the other Ben's thing and he wants to differ from that
@@StanleyKubick1 no. Kswap it's same hoses and same subframe. There are kits to do it easy.
I love how this shows that a car like this is actually faster than everything in the corners. Braking is so late and grip so high. Just stay off the high speed tracks like VIR and you can hold your own with a cheap "race" car. This is definitely the way to learn.
Stock mustang dynos for the Spyder are usually around 115whp. Nevermind that's a hub Dyno which would be more generous. That's one hurting 1zzfe
I literally laughed out loud at :42 with the defeated trumpet sound after the fast paced build up. Very comedic! Excellent content as always! Thank you 😊
Sort this car out and swap in a 2ZZ.
Yessss
Sometimes, I feel kinda bad for the previous owner of this car, getting roasted so hard by Ben. But also, the experience of buying a nugget from someone who does everything you wouldn't, and taking it out on the track to really push the "limit" is good TV. I'm so conflicted, but also so very entertained. Keep it up gang, your channel is instant-click every weekend.
That looks like a lot more fun than with something with twice the cylinders
2zz with the super charger. Give it the lotus Elise SC treatment.
love the transition music at 0.40 sec, sets the scene perfectly !!
I love this low power high grip track day stuff, its a nice change of pace for a youtube video and super relatable as i just got a brz and threw some rt660s on it today
I'd just go with tightening the suspension/chassis up and strip it down to the bare necessities. See how the times go from there, then just do a swap. Not sure how much potential there is at 107WHP for modifications to boost output(I'd think maybe being optimistic, you could reach about 160?), but I'm pretty sure a swap would probably be cheaper than massaging the current block...
I love my mr2, the 1zz may have grenaded in August on my way to a car meet. But once I have it 2zz swapped it will be making some decent power.
Love this series. Pls do a k swap!!! I’d love to see if it’s worth doing.
there are so many bolt-on engine options for this little roadster, a k-swap is probably $7-10k. Just put some decent brakes and suspension on it and square it up a little, and you'll have a fun little track beater
Is a 7-10k k-swap considered a bolt-on?
Wayyyy less than 7-10k. You can K swap one of these for pretty cheap if you take your time and find some deals.
@@dpedd12 yep...
Just got an entire swap kit for $2800 for cyber monday.
Just gotta grab a k24 out of a tsx for cheap and grab an rsx 5 speed.
More than likely will be a sub $5k swap.
Love seeing VA guys making their mark. Dig the channel guys. Great episode.
For a beat up car it held up quite well. Definitely worth the price of admission.
Subbed to this channel after watching the K swapped Civic. Top end content! Loving these track videos. Going soon myself
They're usually like that when you first get them. Coming from the SW20, people really underappreciated this car even though it's probably the best track car. Twosrus end links, beefy sways and things REALLY improve. Glad to see it's not getting scrapped, have fun!!!
Need to see every step of this MR2s progress. Please keep them coming.
After having just spent a weekend at Laguna Seca, this is hilarious to see. My e36 is broken right now and I had to take my mini, and while it wasn't too slow, there were a lot of high power cars in the run group I had originally signed up for and there was one session I spent the entire time just giving point bys. I'd love to see what kind of work gets done to this MR2!
I’ve been starting to fall in love with the mr-s and how it looks
Looked like a lot of fun. You should connect with fellow UA-camr DannyDC2 as he has built and raced one of these for a full season in the UK with many interesting learnings on how to make them faster as well as points of weakness to address.
Love this series, and would like to see more of the MR2. Maybe an engine swap soon when the other things have been fixed?
SOOOO many AMAZING moments in this video where i'm just dying LMAO. The porsche giving you the thumbs up after you playing disk jockey with the wheel trying to keep it on track was F'ing comedy!!!
“I wish I had one more horsepower ☝️”
Haha that got me! It’s fun watching you have fun, great video!
the intro went exactly how i thought it would. love it😂😂😂
My daily driver since 2000. I have driven over 325000 miles in my MR2s and still love driving it. It 4 wheel drifts wonderfully and it's horsepower helps keep the tickets away. Mine has been lowered and has a short shifter, much recommended. I have much faster cars to drive, a taycan and countach, yet the mr2 is my daily fun.
Honestly 2:22 at VIR in that car is really solid, nice driving 👍🏼
You see a Miata coming towards you and it looks like it is smiling.
The MR2 has a look of "I can't decide if I should be enjoying this or having some existential dread"
Giving the immediate point by after drifting the entry, apex, and exit of Oak tree was my favorite part of this video. Can't get much better than that.
Love how fun your guys enjoy the MR2. Great video, keep up the good work.
a mod-ed 2ZZ-GE + VVTL-i for that MR-S would do wonders for sure.
when I finally thought you were going to convert, you gave me this one. Epic
You counter steer with the best of them. That mid-engine rwd set up seems like it wants to drift... lol. Great driving sir. 🚗
As a MR2 Spyder owner myself, this series is gold.
Driving slow cars fast is always a blast. I did autox in my Camry for years before jumping into my best friends MRS. Too much fun in a lighter mid engine car
the guys at my track days who drive cars that are just "bad" are usally the fastest drivers ive seen so far its wild
I also bought an MR-S in february 2019 in the UK. It took me a some time to get the car sorted. Some repairs were needed, alignment stuff and so on. I drove it like a daily and really hard on the streeet. If the street gets wet with some semislicks it's a lot of fun to drive this car. Of course it's lacking power but after i saw your videos i started to cut out parts and reduce weight. I unregistered it so i can just run it on the track and it needs a turbo but still never gave up on me even if i kick it sooo hard ;)
MR2 aka MRS in Asia is a very fun car with 50:50 weight distribution. Perfect car to keep. Price surely would go up!
MR-S doesn't have 50/50 weight distribution, it's 43/57 which is what gives the MR-S it's willingness to rotate and stability under braking
It deserves a good fixing, fresh paint, some minor aero bits n pieces. Cool little car.
Make it an electric car and play engine noises from the stereo.
There would be no place for batteries. LOL!!!! These things are so tiny.
Yay! An onboard of a complete lap! Loved it
You already know it's getting the supercharged carolla engine boys! Please oh please! I can feel it in my bones! Loved the vid, great driving! I'll be waiting... hahahaha😆
Theres 20hp and 1000rpm available in the 1ZZ for about $1500total but a 2ar/1ar swap or a 2ZZ swap is the power solution, new factory bushings and a few alignment parts, rear 245s fronts 225s and that seat change.
The Red Turd is my spirit animal.
Can't wait for more of this MR2 build!
For more speed but keeping it Toyota, 2ZZ is a popular and super rewarding swap- or 2GR if you’re looking for bigger power. Love to see you enjoying the MR2!
Literally 10x more enthralling than the “proper car” track content. Because this is something me and the mates can do for cheap!!!
Love the mighty car mods reference @ 11:06 😂 sneaky
This is an endearing car. A complete underdog and who doesn’t love those?
The key factor here is the FUN factor! I would just do engine maintenance and overall fixes especially related to handling components. Then go ahead and enjoy the car (and learn about being a better track racer too). The nice thing about low-powered cars are being able to do stuff like what you mentioned i.e going flat out for long distances and basically doing drifts! LOL. If the car had more power, you definitely would not be recovering so easily from all the under and oversteers. That Porsche owner gave you a thumbs up for a reason: he wouldn't have been able to do the same in his car!!
At the end of the day you had fun and that's all that matters...love this channel and love the content.
If you wanna go a different route than a K-Swap, as many other have suggested, try the 2ZZ-GE engine. You'll make at least 70 more hp and you'll have a screaming top-end at ~8,200 RPM. Yamaha head, a great replacement for your 3rd gen chassis. My dad has a Matrix XRS with that engine, it's so much fun with the 6-speed manual transmission, feels faster than I thought it would be.
I would love to see this MR2 turn into a poor man's Lotus Elise or Exige.
I do t think I’ve ever laughed so much watching a G&G video 😂😂😂
This video is incredibly hilarious for me! I was waiting so long for this haha, love it!!
Looks fun, thanks for showing us a full lap!
That car is like starting on Gran Turismo. Pretty soon you'll have everything on it and still get gapped by an MX5.
Every time you guys do a track based video. Gridlife, random track day, time attack coverage, you should put the best lap at the end like this. Love that
With your history with K24 swaps surely this will get one too it’s the perfect motor for this platform, certainly what I’m doing to mine
I love how this video progresses 1:05 “ I have no confidence in this car whatsoever “ 9:58 “ probably one of the best track days I’ve ever done” …. 14:44. “Porsche hunting!!!!!” 😁😁😁😁
That last clip was great catching up to a Porsche in the turns and that is a great feeling because once upon a time I did the same thing to a bmw m2 in my 03 rav4
Love the track sesh vid! It's awesome to see a 'realistic' car build for some people. Although even then, its still a costly thing to tackle, but definitely inspo to one day have a project to wrench on.
Kswap’d and sorted out, this thing could be a little monster.
The crazy part about the little 1zz is that it actually sounds pretty good for what it is. I agree with the other people in these comments saying do a 2ar swap. If you take the junkyard 2ar-fxe hybrid motor and play with the cams (frankenstein motorworks has a video on them) you can get them to 250 bhp. Would be a little riot of an engine to have in an MR2, without ruining that flat out feeling
This is one of the reasons I track a Honda Fit, slow cars going as fast as they can is an absolute blast!
This is the beauty of cheap Toyota. Literally never have to worry about fixing it and you just send anyone and everyone in the car for some fun seat time. Its the ultimate car to get friends to a track day even if they aren't into racing.
The crazy part is that it was keeping up with the other stuff in the corners.
KSWAP. It’s easy, and reliable. K24 for the extra torque
I will say, PPE headers and a PowerFC with a Monkey Wrench Racing tune on it really woke mine up. This video makes me wanna fix it.
can’t wait to see a k series in it
I love all my miata brothers there, and the Snap Oversteer MR2 :D
😂 Small Ben laughing after the K swap comment from Jermaine 😂🙌
"I feel like he put this car in a spoon, and heated it up" I lost it 🤣🤣🤣
I say put some good coilovers on it, an aftermarket set of brakes and rotors, put a small turbo kit on it (or even a centrifugal supercharger), and take it back to the track and see what it'll do.
He has fortune auto coilovers on it
Adding boost to that engine will just blow it up. So unless that is the goal, the money is just better spent K-swapping it. A supercharger kit would cost more then a K-swap would. He could more then double the HP with out boost with a K-swap. And the sky is the limit with boost on a K-series.
watch the first couple episodes on this build. they did most of what you mentioned.
@@Fordman7575 Yep, K-Swap is the way to go.
I like that mr2 super slow but just fun to whip around at the limit!
Love this so much, the track footage is actually so satisfying to watch. Awesome video as always!
The k swap was suggestion was 100% expected