Stop your Samsung NVMe SSD from Overheating and Thermal Throttling
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- M 2 NVME SSD Heatsink Installation Guide. How to stop your Samsung M.2 NVMe SSD from Overheating and Thermal Throttling. Stop your NVme SSD from overheating. Stop your NVme SSD from thermal throttling. Samsung 970 EVO Plus overheating. Samsung 980 PRO overheating. How to properly apply thermal pad on Samsung M.2 NVME SSD. How to apply Grizzly thermal pad on M.2 NVMe SSD. How to solve NVMe SSD overheating problem. How to cool down NVMe SSD. Samsung 970 EVO Plus vs Samsung 980 PRO performance test. Samsung 970 EVO Plus vs Samsung 980 PRO temperature test. Samsung 970 EVO plus temperature. Samsung 990 PRO temperature. Samsung 980 PRO speed test. Samsung 970 EVO Plus speed test. Samsung 980 PRO vs Samsung 970 EVO Plus speed test. How to fix Samsung 990 PRO NVMe SSD overheating. Samsung 990 PRO overheating. How to apply thermal pad on Samsung 990 PRO M.2 SSD.
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I was the first one who made a video about this design flaw, but I'm not sure if I was the first one who noticed this problem. We received a bunch of laptops with fried controller chips on Samsung's SSDs that didn't have proper cooling and the chip didn't even touch the thermal pad. Later, Samsung came up with the 980 PRO with a built-in heatsink. And if you remove that heatsink, guess what you'll see inside? Yes, there will be several thermal pads with different thicknesses, just as I showed you in the video. But they went even further and made separate pads for small chips as well. You can check out the pictures: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
Thanks for the video and for showing the thermal pad height difference on a built-in heatsink. I want to point out a worse issue that it still going strong without a single try to be fixed by motherboard manufacturers. Because of the height difference between the NAND and the other chips (controller, ram etc) build-in heatsinks on the motherboards push the M.2 drives down resulting in bent PCBs (google "nvme bent under heatsink" to see pictures of the issue). Different height thermal pads or putty are necessary not only to maintain normal temperature on high load but to avoid damaging the drive physically by applying too much force on one side of the PCB.
OMG, found your video ❤, i have 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus in my Lenovo laptop and...one disk when im gaming reaches 84C (controller temp), now HWinfo64 is showing 3 temps for these 970 Evo Plus, and 3rd temp is controller (like in your video)! Looked for pads - these 0.5mm costs 26€ for 1 little pad (why so expensive) 😮? I will try my luck in aliexpress mby 😢
P.S. I noticed it ~year ago, now one amigo said that im crazy and these temps are super hot for SSD! A lot of forums here... When i installed it (changed my 970 evo 500gb to this 970 E P 2tb) i noticed that here are height difference on Samsung ssds!!! Thats annormal, Samsung, what are you doing?
@@KOT-ANGRY There are way better thermal pads nowadays like GELID: alii.pub/6t99o1
@@ElectronicsComputers very helpful and informative, thank-you. I'm curious though, would it be okay to just buy 1 thermal pad only, 0.5mm, and double-stack two 0.5mm pads on top of each other in place of the 1mm section, just to save a bit of money? Or would you highly recommend using the dedicated 1mm pad regardless?
Finally someone with a really good advice who does not force me to watch 20 min video. Big thanks!
Happy to help! Thank you for the comment!
@@ElectronicsComputers Appreciate videos like yours, direct and straight to the point, thanks.
Oh yes!!
Indeed nice video!
Yah well clicking for views is what it seems to be all about. if I were to create a video on this topic, I would have opened it showing what kind of data loading and or video editing it takes to get the drive even close to its thermal throttle speed of 80c. as the average users of this kind of hardware will never even get them close to the throttled limits. `if the drives temps were high, they would have been engineered / sold with heat syncs from the factory to ensure customer satisfaction, Ie like the high-end gen 5 drives all seem to have heat spreaders from the factory.
You just solved my mystery, bro. I also have a laptop with Samsung 970EVO Plus which gets hot like hell it even starts to smell like something's melting inside. I replaced the thermal pad twice and it didn't help. Today, I installed two cheap thermal pads 0.5mm and 1mm thick and OMG what a difference. And how as a regular consumer am I supposed to know that Samsung SSDs need two different pads to cool them down properly? Please Samsung tell me.
I'm glad I could help you with your problem.
You can also put a thermal pad on the back of the PCB and place it (gently) against the mobo- the pad is electrically insulated, and the mobo itself is a giant heatsink.
The m.2 socket is a tiny spring loaded hinge, and it will not break.
same problem here I just hit 108°C
Love the fact that you made a base line stock vs stock + new thermal pads
For most situations where the original pad was 1mm, I needed to use 1mm and 1.5mm. I tried using 0.5mm at first, since thinner is better, but in a few applications this resulted in poor contact with the heatsink, or even none at all. Meanwhile, adding the thickness to the controller side has worked well every time.
You can use any combination of pad thickness that works with your cooling system, but the difference between pads should be 0.5mm just like in your case.
If you were to do it agian would you do 1mm and 1.75mm? Or does the 1mm and 1.5 work perfect?
Yes I also used 1 and 1.5 to be sure it was touching the enclosure. Like the video creator says: as long as the difference is 0.5 between the two.
This point, that the heights are different, is critical. Good video.
Thanks!
I just mounted one of this 980pro recently, but didn't realize about that different on surface. I'll update the thermal pad next weeks. Thanks for making this video.
Happy to help!
Thank you so much for the demostration! I am on my way to order this thermal pads to solve the overheating issues!
Glad it was helpful!
@@ElectronicsComputers on bottom side do we need to apply the 1 mm one or .5 mm one ? Want to install firecuda 530 with heatsink on ps5 ?
@@kingcobralive3081 If that heat sink requires a thermal pad at the bottom of the SSD, then use 0.5mm one. Otherwise I wouldn't use it at bottom of the drive.
Thank you for this great self help improvement. I did not know a Ruskie can be as detailed as a Gerry.
What are you talking about?
Thank you! I looked for differences between silicone thermal pads and there really isn't much information on them, I didn't really want to use what comes with a $15.00 m.2 heatsink so this showed me I'm right to get something better.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the demoinstration. Got those Grizzly pads and was able to level all chips on my SX8200 PRO. Without the extra 0.5mm pad, the controller, which is the chip that actually gets hottest, was not touching the heatsink at all ! For SX8200 PRO, you actually need both 0.5m and 1mm pads - 0.5mm over the controller and 1mm where the SSD board misses a chip (on one side near the pin end).
Happy to help!
@@ElectronicsComputers I have a question how do you wrap a Ram card with thermal pads on it and is it okay to slowly untape the brand Crucial per say and paste it on top of the thermal pad or would that just void my warranty not that I care I just want to put thermal pads everywhere doing a huge repasting of my laptop I have never done the M2 and Ram but this was educational thank you!.
Without any heatsink and thermal pad, i was pumping up to 98'c when stress testing on my NVMe Samsung 970 pro 1tb. Suprisingly, it has lasted a whole year without a heatsink, but the temperatures for sure, were making me very nervous when i discovered them. So:
Having now installed a heatsink after buying one, i am down to 75'c max under stress conditions. Still a bit hot, but this is faaaarr more normal, and i can have more confidence that i am OK to push the drive. Definitely invest in a heatsink for Samsung 970/980 nvme's. Knowing what i do now...i am SHOCKED that Samsung did not provide a heatsink with this particular product.
The temperatures are clearly Dangerous by design.
Totally agree with you! With such uneven surface design, they should have applied a built-in heatsink (just a custom built copper or aluminum stripe) like other manufacturers do. That would solve the problem.
What brand cooler did you buy? I am looking at a be quiet m.2 heatsink right now and want to know if yours is better
@@car3448 I bought a QIVYNSRY M.2 Heatsink from amazon for like £7 (US $9) and it solved all my temperature worries. It was cheap, all i wanted, and did the job.
Installation difficulty: 1/10 Its super easy to install, as easy as lego bricks. I used the One thermal pad method, and its fine.
They are not. I've used 960 Pro for over 5 years without heatsink, still works well and according to Magician the drive is still in perfect health.
970 is normal though wo heatsink it maxed at 60s (67 or smth)
I noticed this exact thing on the Kingston Kc3000 and was wondering if I should do something different with the heat sink. Very glad to find your simple solution
I'm glad I could help you!
Everything is clear and understandable. Thank you. I have 970s.
thank you for the comment!
THANK YOU!!! My 980 Pro running on PCIe4 went from 67 degrees down to 46 degrees after doing this!! :D
Great job!
damn 😰🔥👍
You kidding? This is super helpful. Wow what a quick and simple thing to improve Temps of the M.2's
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, thanks. I’ll be sure to do this with my laptop. I was wondering if you’ve seen a big difference between thermal grizzly pads and other brands? Are we talking about only one or two *C or is it a bigger difference of say 5*C or more in the delta between stock pads and third party?
The difference between the expensive and cheap no name pads is no more than 3-5C
Biggest aspect should be durability
Thermal grizzly always amazes me. You have to be careful buying it though, a lot of Chinese knockoffs out there
@@ElectronicsComputers Hello, I have a laptop, I can also install it this way, or which nvme is not enough to warm up. which model will fit.
I went to re-pad my desktop and discovered the 970 Evo Plus doesn't measure the same as the 980 Pro. The controller was making contact at the same height as the memory, but with no contact in the middle where all those smaller components are.
This is in conflict with some other reports of the same model, it may be different for various capacities, or they could have updated the design at some point.
Same for me, the NAND and controller of the 970 Evo Plus are at the same height
@@trixniisamaso theres no need to separate / cut the pads?
You can put the pad between PCB backside, and against the mobo to act as a heatsink. You can also put a thermal pad on only the controller, that way only the nand flash runs "warm" (meaning between 15-45° C), while the controller stays cool.
Doing both allows you to cool the components that prefer cooling, while allowing the nand to stay "warm" - nand flash will actually degrade if too cold.
Yeah, so in theory using a worse thermal pad is the way to go on the flash and a high quality one on the controller for best "durability"
@@ImDembe BS it is NEVER a good idea to run memory hotter as long as you are above -30C. space operations is a totally different story. This is if you are using a real heat sink that moves heat and not a block of metal that is just a heat 'capacitor'
@@davebing11 -30c? Nandflash should not be to hot or cold, the controller is always better to have as cool as possible. The data on that was before, im not sure anything els have come out.
Even if you have a good headsink with active cooling it will still store heat. so the controller will heat up the rest of the components either way. Most people don't need shit anyway, few people do benchmark level stress on a regular basis nor write heavy data daily, for that little group of people they might need to care.
nand flash will perform worse when its colder (not very noticable though) but it will extend its lifespan
It will never reach the 'too cold' state when you are on earth dude, stop BS LOL
perfect! I had the same problem, thanks to your modification I'm 10 degrees cooler now! Many thousand thanks for this valuable video! :🥳💪👍
Great job! Glad it helped.
Great video. I feel it would make sense to do each chip separately. This way the conduction from the hotter controller doesn’t heat up the other chips. This probably isn’t possible in a laptop but in a desktop would be ideal.
This only makes sense if you have individual heatsinks. But it's actually better to have a large heatsink so that the controller and cache have a large shared heatsink to dissipate into. For SSDs, the heatsinks aren't really for continuous heat dissipation, but more as a temporary heat buffer for short bursts. Because the typical workload involves short burst transfers that will spike the chip temperature for a few seconds, rather than long sustained transfers, in which case your small heatsink included on most SSDs or motherboards isn't nearly enough to handle the ~3W heat output for long periods without airflow.
@@Fluvance So in otherwords you're saying I'm screwed xD. I want a drive to hold 1tb of gopro 4k footage.. seems transfering this footage the ssd gets hot in my laptop.. Gonna try bumping the fans and see if it'll help nexted time. Atleast once the data is on, it should be ok.
@@Fluvance it sounds like you know what youre talking about im in hotel now i cant get my tv to work, how i can change the source without the remote working properly on an old phillips tv that hasnt got a source button or full functionally on the device itself?
@@DavidsonLoops what ?
Today I found this video again, and after many searches and researching this video is the best way to do it.
The only thing to think of is that the memory chips don't like cooling they work beter with some heating.🤔
Well that's what I read.
Now it's time to see if massive heatsink from ICY box will help my 990 PRO m. 2
But I am impressed by how good the motherboard Z590-E can cool by design.
Because my first tryout with a heatsink and fan wash not working, and think this video show why that can be.
Thank you for the opportunity again to rethinking the best way to apply the heat patches.
👍💯
Thank you for the comment! I'm happy to help. And don't leave those NAND chips without a heatsink. There are no electronic components that like heat, well, maybe except for electron tubes/vacuum tubes. Even if there's some slight performance boost for a warm chip, which you'll never notice in real life, there's a bunch of other components around that definitely won't be happy with high temperatures.
Thanks so much for this! My laptops 980 Pro temps have dropped to 54c on the same benchmark and even after running Samsungs magician benchmark right after the max temp was only 63c!
It is only on pci gen 3 but still impressive as the m.2 is next to my cpu and only uses a thin aluminium heatsink.
Good job!
I don't know why I end up in this video but I love the fact that this is straight to the point and full of useful informations.
Thank you for the comment!
Today I installed my Samsung 970 EVO Plus with ELUTENG M2 heatsink on my Z170A MB. At first it ran pretty hot at idle 53C and 65C max. Then I added the second silicon warmth pad and measured again: idle: 47C and 63C max. Still a bit too hot to my taste, but then after closing my PC cabinet the proper airflow was re-established. Now I measured 39C and 54C! So now I am happy. I also installed a Crucial NVMe on a PCI board and that one runs a lot cooler still with the same type of heatsink: 25C idle and 35C max! No additional ventilators needed. The on-board airflow is cooling both NVMe’s more than sufficiently.
Great job!
Very enlightening. I would not have thought to worry about the different thickness of the chip-set and the controller. I might just pick up a Samsung 980 Pro, (or two.)
I just got the 970 EVO 2tb installed in my Alienware m15 R4 in the last week and noticed immediately that I was having extreme heat problems. It was even affecting my cpu. I've had to undervolt the cpu by 100.6 to get the temps under control but the 970's Drive Temperature 3 is still running at 76 minimum. It's freaking me out. Thank you SO MUCH for this information. I was worried I was gonna burn out the whole laptop if I couldn't figure it out.
Yeah, 970 gets really hot. try to use two pads with different thickness. In my laptop I use two 2TB 980EVO and it's a big difference in terms of temperature.
What actually makes this particularly egregious is that the nand modules actually like being hot while the controller performs best at low temps, so without varying the pad sizes the cooling is super inefficient.
I think being used already make the Nand hot.
Except first boot
This is a good follow-up from your "Upgrade your Dell XPS 9500 Series" video, which I followed to upgrade my 9510 with the 980 and am now experiencing even worse heat than I was before!
What thermal pads did you use? There's a 0.4-0.5mm difference between chips. So you need to put for example a 1mm pad on the controller chip and a 0.5mm pad on the memory chips.
@@ElectronicsComputers I didn't know I needed thermal pads, I just put a heatsink that seems to have one already
Great video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Glad it was helpful!
Height differences in chips on the SSD circuit board.....learned something again, thanks!!
@@playonkorg Always welcome!
What a great video. I'm currently looking into acquiring a pcie slot for SSD and researching all the needed info.
Thanks a lot. This was so helpful.
I'm glad I could help you!
Works fine also with 990 - 10% plus in performance for both reading and writing!
Great job!
Спасибо за видео, очень полезная информация!
Happy to help!
Really short and informative!
Thanks for the video!
Glad it was helpful!
Cheers buddy, this video was awesome!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bought a 250GB 970Evo in 2018 that just burnt out in 2022.. after hundreds of hours of video editing/adobe aftereffects rendering, etc. It was worth the performance though. Next time, I will add the thermal pads/heat sink. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for sharing
Muy interesante que ese pequeño espacio haga la diferencia, gracias por compartir. Saludos.
Just got my idle temperature from 41 degrees down to 30 degrees idle. Id call that a win! Thank you so much
Great job! I'm happy to help.
Great video and thank you for your detailed explanation. In my case, I have a 970 pro samsung nvme in my desktop. Is the procedure the same if I purchase the thermal pads (0,5 & 1)and a EKWB EK-M.2 NVME Heatsink? I am having serious temprature problems with the controller of the nvme.
Yes, 0.5mm and 1mm pads will do the job.
@@ElectronicsComputers Do I have to buy both? I am using the nvme in a tower not a laptop. I think that you mentioned in the video that a thick thermal pad should do the trick.
@@aidenreaper4196 If your cooling solution allows you to use 1-1.5mm thick thermal pad then in most cases no need to use two thermal pads.
The location of your m.2 socket will matter also. On the mobo under a GPU is awful. Mounted up on a PCIe AIC the cooler gets more air flow. If you have a GEN4 socket away from other components use that. If you have the clearance an air cooler with heat pipes is best. Or of coarse a Corsair water block is the best solution right now. I agree with E&C match the pad height to the chip height and use the best pads you can find. 12W/kM or 8WkM, standard pads are just 1.5WkM.
The EK m.2 heatsink already comes with thermal pads with different thicknesses.
I always wondered why my 980 pro was so dang hot. I used better pads, and added a fan and was able to greatly reduce it from 95c to 75c which isn't harmful anymore. but dang it makes so much more sense now.
Thanks! I was getting crazy with the choose of the right thermal pad's thickness for the nvme upgrading of my Dell XPS 9370. Are three 0.5 mm pads a bad solution to obtain one of 1.5 mm thick?
Don't do that, those 0.5 mm pads stacked together is not gonna perform even close as good as a one 1.5 mm pad.
@@ElectronicsComputers so the more thick it is, the better.
@@hikosan7563 No! There's 0.5mm difference between two surfaces and that's how you can level it.
Спасибо!
Раньше не обращал на такие, казалось бы, мелочи внимания.
Hi. Do you need two heatsinks for M.2 NVME (one for the bottom and one for the top? What's the thickness in mm for both heatsinks?)? And should we remove the sticker for better contact with the thermal pad?
What's the thickness in mm is the big heatsink you used in this video?
Thank you.
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The pad for the controller chip is 1mm thick and the pad for the memory chips is 0.5mm thick. There's no need to remove the sticker from the SSD because it will void the warranty and there won't be any dramatic difference in the temperature.
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thank you for useful video, i try this and bought cooler master thermal pads for my precision 5570, conductivity is 12 w/mc . i bought samsung 990 pro 1TB and gigabyte 2500E 1TB. i checked thermal sensors, IC controller temperature for samsung in above 76 C during "software crystal disk mark" check. so is it high or normal? my NVME read speed is 5500 not 7450 for 990 pro. i guess controller reduce speed for decreasing temperature. i check heat sink but i cannot check visually for heat sink contact to the thermal pad. do you have any solutions for checking thermal pad contact to heat sink? how? other question, i install 990 pro on SSD2 slot if i relocate samsung from SSD2 to SSD1 slot, it may be better to reduce 990 pro temp.?
It doesn't matter in which slot you put your SSD, both have the same PCIe Gen4 speeds and other specs. If you applied a 0.75-1mm pad on the controller and a 0.5mm pad on the NAND chips, then all your components are making proper contact with the heatsink. 76°C under heavy load I'd consider a borderline high temperature, but in real life, even when gaming, you won't reach those temperatures on a constant basis. Also, in my case, I deliberately used a Gen 4 SSD on a Gen 3 capable laptop to lower temps; in your case, to do the same trick, you'd need to use Gen 5 SSDs. Overall, just monitor the temperature for a couple of days doing your regular tasks, and if the temperature stays in the range of up to 59°C, I wouldn't worry about SSD overheating and thermal throttling.
Didn't know about the gap :-/ Thanks man ! Just ordered my pads.
Happy to help!
Thank you for sharing this. I've been doing this on some of my SSDs after noticing that the controller is almost always a different thickness from the NAND and doesn't make contact with the heatsink.
Glad it helped
This is a GOOD video. No.. Its a GREAT video. Brings a murky problem into specific relief. Concise. Bravo Sir
Glad it was helpful!
I just bought 250GB 970 Evo Plus, manufacture date Oct 2021, its layout is exactly the same as the 2TB one here (which is August 2020) but all four chips are at the same height, so it appears Samsung revised it in late production (unless it's just that the smaller NAND chips are thinner). Silly oversight for such a huge concern I have to say - assuming it was an oversight and not just a lazy "nah, it'll be fine" attitude.
ETA >> I have a 500GB EVO Plus as the system drive in the PC I'm typing on, I used a 3rd party heatsink (instead of the flat piece of alloy Asus provide) with two thicknesses of pad from the get-go, but was surprised to find it was still idling in the high 40's°C and getting well into the 60's°C under load (NAND a few degrees cooler) - so I wedged a 40mm Noctua fan (set to run at 2500RPM/50%) in the cabling adjacent to it, blowing down its length from the socket/controller end and they dropped at least 10°C. I shudder to think about the temps it would run in a laptop.
Perhaps they changed the chips and evened out the surface. Samsung also implements similar methods to what I demonstrated in the video on some of their SSD models equipped with heatsinks. However, they've gone a step further by applying thermal pads with varying thickness to all chips: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
nice info thanks! i saw some people complaint about the pro not performing well under heavy load :)
Thanks for watching!
I used mx-6 paste instead of pads instead, its messy but its non conductive and didn't really need to measure just eyeballed it and temps are much better.
Instead of using a thermal pad, you can opt for thermal putty. It’s slightly more viscous than regular thermal paste, tends to last longer, and is less messy. However, thermal paste will also get the job done effectively.
Hey, someone called "PC Presupuestos" stole your content, the video is called "CÓMO COLOCAR DE FORMA CORRECTA LOS THERMAL PADS A LOS M.2" , you should take a look. Very good video by the way.
Thanks for the info!
Many thanks. I just installed thermalpads and external radiator on my 970 Evo Plus in Acer Nitro 5 laptop. Maybe the parts were not expensive (ordered from amazon) but the difference is undisputed.
Now I need repeat in on second disk Lexar NM800Pro, which reguires different thermopads shape.
Great job! I'm happy to help.
I've actually ran the computational fluid dynamics (CFD) analysis and found that it is actually better if you cut the thermal pad even further such that EACH of the individual components that needs to be cooled, has is own thermal pad.
I'll have to check my data, but I think that I vaguely recall the delta being somewhere between 0.5-1.3 C, I think?
Not huge, in the overall grand scheme of things, but if you want the absolute best performance (measured as the lowest temperature), then having the individual thermal pads for the indivdiual components is the best way to go.
Totally agree with you.
Or how about a row of pin-fin heatsinks, each glued on to the local contour. Far more effective than a flat heatsink.
Bought some items from your links so I hope I helped a bit.
Thanks for the video tutorial!
I'm happy to help and thank you for your support!
I bought an Enermax heatsink to go with mine. The difference in height between the controller chip and NANDs is so tiny, I just piled a 1.0mm thermal strip across the top and used a 0.5mm on the bottom. I'm only using the drive for gaming, not constant writing, so I'm not too concerned about the effects. My max temps after the same CrystalDiskMark test are 58C on the controller and 49C on the NANDs, but my airflow in that area of the case isn't great. My controller at max runs 5C hotter than yours, but still 5C better than your application with the gap. I'll live with it. My idle temps are 45C controller/39C NANDs (8C/2C hotter than yours, but 5C/2C better than with your gap).
Great job!
very good video. may i suggest removing that labelling cover from the ssd and applying the pads directly onto the onto it
Removing the label will void the warranty and it doesn't make any real difference in cooling your SSD.
Yeah, the memory usually doesn't mind being hot at all, but the controller does, and they're thinner and lack contact often.
So i always wondered why they don't just use two different pads, small thicker one clearly for the controller, and longer thinner one for the memory modules, stick those on, and done.
Should be fine, should work better.
I'd almost say if they made the M.2 heatsink so only the controller gets a pad and is cooled that would be fine too, as long as maybe the heatsink doesn't touch the memory modules at all, so it doesn't squeeze those, might be bad, and it should work better ?
It would also almost certainly be even better if you remove the sticker first. You might not be able to see what drive is which from the outside afterwards, but i doubt most people will do that if at all after installing, most people just install it and keep it there.
I've just actually done that in two laptops. I used a thermal adhesive patch on just the controller of a 970 EVO Plus, which allows the heat sink to float a fraction of a millimeter above the memory modules. It's in contact only with the controller, which gives the controller sole benefit of the heat sink thermal mass. I'm can't push it above 70C under load and it's running only 40C at idle.
It's actually the other way around: flash memory getting hot can get damaged, while controller is just a chip and will just throttle (by software).
You can argue that controller being not in contact with the heatsink acts as a safety switch for ssd, because heat stays on it, it goes hot (70C+), while flash is still just warm, like 45C, ssd slows down, cools and this way flash stays in warm temp range.
But if both flash and controller are in contact with heatsink, flash will go higher temp (65C) and controller will stay also at 65C, which may be bad for flash.
@@nilsfrahm1323 But the flash memory can handle heat a little better, doesn't get as fast, the controller gets hot faster, lower safe peak temperature i think, and is more likely to be damaged by it. Throttling is the safeguard, sure, but that means it'll go slower than the memory might be able to. Not so useful.
There's a reason they say the memory getting hot is not so much the problem but the controller getting hot is, and it's mostly that that needs cooling, or are you going against just about everything everybody knows about M.2 ssd's ?
You know He knows what he's talking about when He has that Heavy European Accent.
Excellent video!! It makes a lot of sense too. Thanks for the information. I have found this problem recently with my Dell XPS. It has been causing me issues. Now, I have it on the run.
Glad it helped! Samsung actually fixed the problem with their SSD heat sink version in the same way: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
Thank you for posting this video 🎥🍿🍺🇺🇸. You have a new subscriber 🎉. Keep up the great 👍 work 🎉.
Thanks for the sub!
Thank you for sharing this. I use a 2tb 970 evo on my desktop with a bequiet heat sink. The ssd is fitted under the gpu which is not good for the air flow. The temperature dropped from 60 to almost 70c under load to under 58c on idle and max 62c under usage. Samsung says these temperatures are ok and no problem. I will check the thermal pads on the heat sink again and see if I can use your idea to improve the temperature even more.
Well, 60°C is a borderline for electronics components because at such temperatures and higher, the degradation of the semiconductors and PCB starts to occur. By the way, Samsung recently released an updated version of their SSD that comes with a heatsink. If you remove that heatsink, you'll see that they did the same thing that I did in the video, but they went even further and made different thickness pads for all the chips: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
@@ElectronicsComputers Samsung support told me that everything up to 70c is within the limit and normal. At least I could reduce t(e temperature to below 60 in idle and low usage scenario. The ssd I use has no heatsink so I bought the be quiet aftermarket sink.
What about removing the ssd label aswell? Surely that would improve thermal conductivity to the pad and heatsink
Removing the label will void the warranty and it doesn't make any real difference in cooling your SSD.
The label is actually designed to act as a heat sink, although not the most effective it's better than nothing
@@ElectronicsComputers Yeah apparently it's made of a thermal conductive material. Seeing some comparison benchmarks would still be good for the maximum performance user, I'm sure you can remove the sticker easily with care using a hair dryer or heat gun and even stick it back on later, how would anyone know?
I did remove the label and there is difference in temperature.
Hi @Electronics&Computers, thanks for the great video. One of the best tutorials in the last decade.
My question is can and „shall“ I use the 0.5mm Thermalpad method on my samsung oem 980 pro (pm9a1) 2TB and my 980 pro 1tb.
I am going to use both under the thermal guards (onboard heatsinks) in my desktop gigabyte gaming x z690 ddr5 mainboard. Both heatsinks have pre installed thermalpads by gigabyte. My plan is just to use the cutout 0,5mm thermalpad on the controller side to align with the height of the nands to make it even. The thermalguard of the mainboard with the pre installed thermalpads would then overlap/sync with both the nands and the 0.5mm controller compound. Are u seeing any issues with doing so or any better idea to close the controller gap under a pre installed mainboard heatsink. Thanks in advance.
thank you, been fighting the heat problem for a few weeks on a new unraid build.
Glad I could help
thank you very much. I did exactly like you suggested. I cannot test the temperature because the 980 pro is in a usb housing and not in a computer but I just trust it will be better for the ssd. :)
Good cooling will prolong the life of your SSD. Samsung actually started doing the same thing after my video :)) i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
Thanks alot. You helped me alot with this. Squared away my overheating issues with my new drives.
Happy to help!
15C drop in temperatures! Thank you so much!
Nice work!
Actually, the controller needs cooling and NOT the NAND memory chips. The memory needs to run warner when reading or writing.
Heat is number one enemy of electronic components. The temperature of your SSD shouldn't go above 50C.
Question - what is the main problem of M.2 SSD:
NAND flash temperature or the ASIC controller temperature?
Which should be most important for me to cool down?
Well, heat is the enemy of any electronics. If components are exposed to temperatures over 50°C (122°F), they start to degrade and will eventually fail. When components operate at extreme temperatures like 80-90°C, their lifespan is significantly shortened. We deal daily with data recovery from NVMe drives with fried controllers or NAND chips, and in most cases, it's due to poor cooling. Simply applying a good thermal pad or thermal putty to the drive will drastically extend the lifespan of the drive.
Hi man! First of all, thanks for the video all answers you gave in comments))
Also I'm curious, is it acceptable to place two 0.5mm pads on each other, to create 1mm layer?
It will work but it will reduce thermal conductivity.
I'm sorry for a few newbie questions. Can I only use the the heatsink without the thermal pad? Or the heatsink and thermal pad have to use together to reduce heat? I need to upgrade my laptop M.2 2280 NVMe SSD to 1TB from 256BG. It looks like the M.2 2280 NVMe SSD on my laptop doesn't have the heatsink or thermal pad on top of it. My Dell laptop manual said that it doesn't come with the SSD thermal bracket. Is the thermal bracket and heatsink are the same?
Thanks so much
You can't use a heat sink without a thermal pad because the last one conducts heat from the surface of your SSD to the heat sink. What's the model of your laptop?
@@ElectronicsComputers My laptop model is Inspiron 7506 2-in-1 Silver. Thanks so much for your help
What about cutting the heatsink itself into two parts?
As to my knowledge, the thinner the thermal pad is, the better it will perfom.
Great information, rebuts another UA-camr who claims no performance improvement in using heat sink, which is clearly wrong, as taught in this video.
Samsung SSD 980 Review - Fast But Affordable? - Gen 3 drive does not need a heat sink but Gen 4 does need a heat sink, at 1:45 mark in another video. So it depends on your model and heat sinks probably won't hurt regardless of the model.
The stock thermal pads usually have really poor thermal conductivity compared to aftermarket ones like Thermal Grizzly
to see the real difference between the different styling methods, the same thermal spacers had to be used. And it's so easy to advertise the thermal grizzly... But overall thanks for the video.
You can use any thermal pad you want. They're all pretty much similar. This video was about using two thermal pads on Samsung NVMe SSDs to make a better contact with a heat sink surface.
all it matters it is the controller, you can add one of those little heatsink on that, and not the rest
Great video. I have 980 pro on my desktop and I’m going to use your method. But I saw some comments said that 0.75mm is better than 0.5mm, and the other one still use 1mm. Now I’m so confuse that I should buy 0.5mm or 0.75mm, I haven’t any professional tools to measure that.
There's about 0.5mm difference between the chips. So 0.5mm and 1mm works just fine. You can also use 0.5mm for the controller and 0.75mm for NAND.
That label on the SSD is thermally resistive. You'll get better heat transfer is you remove it before applying the conductive pads. The warranty will not be affected.
Removing the label will void the warranty and it doesn't make any real difference in cooling your SSD.
I made some measurements of elements on PCB of SSD and here is result:
Controller: 17x17 mm
DRAM: 14x8 mm
NAND: 18x14 mm (each)
I used 0,5 mm Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8 on NAND and 1,0 mm GELID GP-Extreme on DRAM and Controller. It was what left from meintanance of GPU.
My results in CrystalDiskMark v8.0.4 - 52C on NAND and 60C on Controller (just simple run from cold boot). SSD used in PCIe 4.0 mode.
Update: Full Performance Mode (set in Samsung Magician)
My results in CrystalDiskMark v8.0.4 - 67C on NAND and 72C on Controller!
P.S. My system have no case right now and GPU most of the time at fan stop mode. So, SSD basicly no airflow. I use heatsing from my motherboard - ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero.
I’m going to do this on my Msi itx mobo. It has 3 NVME slots, 2 that stack on top of one another on the front, and 1 on the back. Hoping this helps. Have the same drives, 2 980s and a 990. Thanks for this!
Happy to help!
This is good information about cooling. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Just got my hands on a Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1TB) - manufactured 2023-02-22. The NAND memory chips seem to have a lower profile than the ones in your video now, or at least the controller chip + heatspreader and sticker is slightly higher than the memory chips with the ruler test. I understand that the controller chip is the most critical component to cool, and the memory chips are lower by ~0.2mm using a cheap, rudimentary feeler gauge. So there was nothing I felt could be improved with different thermal pads in my situation. Perhaps Samsung have solved this design flaw?
Thank your for the video and I did everything like in the video and even ordered the expensive 'Grizzly Thermal pads' but the heat is not coming down. Unfortunately this is not the solution.
You can just use one 1,5 mm pad and screw the heatsink down tight. The pad will be pressed together so that it will touch both parts.
I only have one pad on my 980 pro and the temps are quite good. These grizzly pads already provide quite an improvement from stock pads. The lower temps you show here might as well just be from the upgraded pads.
One thick pad works perfectly for most desktop computers and I mentioned that in the video but unfortunately most laptops only allow to use 0.33 - 0.5mm thick pads. Moreover, Samsung made a version of the SSD that already comes with the built-in heatsink and if you remove that heatsink, you'll see that they went even further and applied different size pads for every single chip: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
I don't usually like videos. But that was good
Thanks!
This dropped my 980pro about 20c, before a stress test made it jump to 74c. after it was 58c. which is ideal, too cold will make it slower.. I required 2mm and 1.5mm My mother board was 1.5mm stock, so i used that for the standard, and used a 2.0mm for the controller chip. And for those curious... I used a caliper, and it is exactly half a millimeter difference in thickness.
Great job!
Excellent video! Really professional and valuable information! I will definitely subscribe!
Thanks and welcome
@@ElectronicsComputers I put the blue insulation on top of my SSD, under the aluminum holder. The HWInfo suggests the temperature is remaining low. Thank you! I'm going up change the Trackpad. Does it make sense to put another layer of the blue insulation on top of the aluminum SSD holder? Thank you
Me subscribed too! Will look for cheap pads (grizzly costs unbelievable price) 😢
Amazing work sir ... just installed Samsung Pro 980 2TB in my PS5 using your technique.
Good job!
I just upgraded my 3 year old 500gb Nvme with a WD 2tb Nvme. I cloned the drive and instantly windows was freezing and random blue screens. I reformatted and cloned again and same results. Put the old one back and it works perfectly. So I’ve ordered a heat sink for the new one and hopefully that will solve this issue.
I really doubt that the heatsink will solve that problem. I never recommend cloning because, performance and reliability-wise, it's a very bad idea. It can only be justified if you have some unique software which you can't reinstall or if you have very limited time for deploying a new system, like in the case of server replacements. It's like replacing a human organ: you have to take a bunch of immune suppressants, and it will never perform like your original organ. So, just do a clean install of the system and it will work perfectly fine.
@@ElectronicsComputers Thank you I appreciate your advice
This worked on my 970 evo plus. From 61 °C idle and 72 °C in use to 42 °C in idle and 51 °C in use.
Great job! I'm happy to help.
Nice tutorial thank you, but, wouldn't you get better heat transfer if you took off the paper Samsung sticker, before you put the thermal pads on?
Removing the label will void the warranty and it doesn't make any real difference in cooling your SSD.
The thermal pads are thicker on my motherboard. The NVMe drive I have won't overheat without a heatsink.
is the giant samsung sticker a thermal transfer as well? if not why don't you remove it?
Removing the label will void the warranty and it doesn't make any real difference in cooling your SSD.
Great tips, however, I have 3 questions, I'm looking forward to your thoughts on these:
1. Which one is better? Gelid Solutions GP Ultimate with Thermal Conductivity: 8 W/mK OR Grizzly Minus Pad 8 Thermal Conductivity: 15 W/mK?
2. How much thermal conductivity value is good for a thermal pad? I'm playing games a lot and I'm sure my SSD will be stressed over a long time.
3. I'm planning to buy WD SN850X 1 TB for my Legion Y740 laptop, do you think a thermal pad with 1 mm thickness will fit inside the laptop?
I would use Gelid Solutions GP Ultimate pads. When I was making that video that brand wasn't on the market yet. Grizzly Pads on the market for a long time, they are very reliable and last very long but don't perform as good as Gelid Solutions.
@@ElectronicsComputers Thank you for responding, I was confused, the Minus Pad 8 has a higher thermal conductivity value, and I read somewhere else that higher thermal conductivity is greater for taking care of the heat. But I'll stick to your advice for Gelid Ultimate for purchasing in the future. Do you think a 1 mm thermal pad is fit for the laptop in general?
@@ZkyMaster Well, I've never seen laptops' heatsinks that allow thermal pads thicker than 0.5mm. And I highly recommend using two different pads. Samsung now has SSDs that come with a heatsink and a bunch of thermal pads of different size. They basically did what i showed in the video but they went even further: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
Does applying only the thermal pad without having a heatsink work?
The problem is that the thermal pad itself won't hold without any support on your SSD.
I intend to purchase this little guy for gaming laptop, this will be the heaviest task on it. Probably without the heatsink, since it's a laptop. So I have some questions, if anyone can help:
1) I heard it gets considerably warmer than others, but I saw tests saying it has ok temps, it just heats more on heavy data transfer processes due to its higher speed. Should I worry about temperature on gaming? My current SSD stays between 30 and 37°C on normal use and a little more while gaming.
2) Is the heatsink detachable (without doing any 'workaround')?
3) In case I get it w/o the heatsink and it gets too hot on normal use, can I put on it a 3rd party heatsink that suits the laptop size?
*Note: I know the 990 Pro is too much just for gaming, but the price in my country are similar or even lower to other SSD prices that don't have the 990 pro performance
*Note 2: my laptop has good airflow refrigeration
The heatsinks I was using in the video are the original ones that came with the laptop. If your laptop doesn't have one, you can use some universal ones that look just like a thin copper plate. If you give me the model of your laptop, I might be able to provide some recommendations. Personally, if the prices are pretty much similar, I'd choose the 990PRO. That SSD is super reliable, fast, and won't become obsolete specs-wise even in several years. My laptop has two 980PROs, and I'm fully satisfied with them.
@@ElectronicsComputers nice! My PC is an Avell C62Mob, it's a Brazilian brand. Fortunately, I'm not sure if it already has a stock heatsink but I'll check. Fortunately, it's possible to attach a thin thermal pad
This is what Binkov Battlegrounds do when he's not discussing hypothetical warfare scenarios.
Put the link for the heatsink for the 990 pro
Thank you for your video just a quick question, shouldn't the labels be removed on the Samsung SSD to be directly in contact with the thermal pad?
Don't remove that label. First of all it won't make a big difference. And secondly, it will void your warranty.
many thanks for your reply tomorrow i get my heatsink and install it this weekend. Thank you.
hello, if I don't remove the label, will the thermalpad become sticky and damage the label after a while?
@@opikbadig2711 It won't damage the label. It's not that sticky to damage anything it's just like a silicone pad.