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0:00 Intro
1:00 Sponsored Segment
1:21 External SSD guide
1:51 Skip SATA SSDs
2:42 Different Capacities Tested
3:23 Sequential READ
4:56 Sequential WRITE
5:44 Explained: PCMARK10 (Quick Benchmark)
6:25 PCMark10 Quick Benchmark Results
7:37 Explained: PCMARK10 (Data Drive Benchmark)
7:58 Results: PCMARK10 (Data Drive Benchmark)
9:47 Explained: PCMARK10 (Full System Drive Benchmark)
10:47 Results: PCMARK10 (Full System Drive Benchmark)
13:07 Explained: PCMARK10 (Drive Consistency Test)
14:04 Results: PCMARK10 (Drive Consistency Test)
16:00 TBW Explained
17:46 TBW- Results
20:56 Why you should consider SATA SSDs?
21:57 WHY AVOID Gen 5 SSDs?
22:29 Tip 2: Don't make this mistake!
23:10 Best PC to build for Creators - Наука та технологія
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So did the WD Black NvMe SN850X have a recall or something ? I see they are not on your list.
I've struggled to get samples of those, I've tried reaching out to them, but no luck so far! I would've loved to have them included as well!
I've been using 1TB 850X (with heatsink) as a secondary drive for about 8 months now and it is absolutely brilliant. Very fast.
WD Black SN850X is a pretty solid drive. Just mind the TBW which is a bit low for creators - 600 TBW for 1TB and 1200 TBW for 2TB model.
Or the acre predator gm7000
@@zuzupa4o4e99 Depends what kind of creator you are - cutting edge video edits of 100GB/sec files require a lot of space, speed and redundancy, for me with 3D 600TBW is more than enough.
Good comparison!
You left out the Adata Legend 960 which has a whopping 3.6GB consistan write till the drive is full.
Appreciate the video
A question did you use an active cooling for rhe drives ? Did you watch out for throttling during the tests?
Great video! :D By the way I noticed you were watching Kevin Hart at 1:38 lol
Hey man! I am looking to change up my case from a open air Prixis but I have a 560 rad. Do you have a good case suggestion that could fit it?
Hey Tech Notice, I've been watching your videos (and BenGKaiser) for quite a while, and I have been editing video for a few years. I primarily use Premiere Pro, but I'm looking to make to major changes in 2024. I want to both
A) Switch to Davinci Resolve
B) Swith to Linux
Would you be able to make a video (or series) talking about the experience of editing using Davinci Resolve on linux with Nvidia, AMD and Intel cards? I currently have an RTX 3060 and I'm waiting for Battlemage to drop later this year. I want to see what would be a good option to edit with on linux between the three GPU manufacturers.
Also, to see the difference between laptops with radeon graphics, intel xe graphics, and a laptop nvidia gpu, would be such valuable knowledge to have. Again, on linux with Davinci resolve.
If you ever get around to doing this, it would be a massive help, as I'm hoping to buy a new laptop later this year, and possibly a new GPU as well.
Thanks for making your videos and keep up the great work!
Based on your recommendation I tried the p44 pro, very fast Os drive indeed. I always use 990s but this is cheaper and performs better. Thanks for the hard work and testing. Love the channel!
What about crucial t500... Looks to be one of the best if not the best gen4?
This was a fairly comprehensive roundup, and it went well with your other SSD vids (e.g. organizing your SSD workflow). You also explain things very well for your audience as well. Thumbs up here. Of course, though, like others I'd point out a few missing/key comparables: XPG's S70 Blade, WD's SN850X, and Crucial's T500. Being Europe-based isn't an excuse; Holland-based Techtesters, too, uses PCMark benchmarking and always finds such drives. And... I imagine you could have found some imaginative way to eat the cost after this video given how low NAND prices have been until now... birthday presents, giveaways, geeky 'fuzzy dice' for a rearview mirror, use for external enclosures, NAS drive ;-)
Yea, I agree, skipping gen 5 PCIE NVME drives seem like a reasonable choice, since they get hot, use more energy while only the sustained read/writes are improoved, and as long as they are more expensive I see no worth in buying them over other gen M.2 NVME SSDs or even Sata drives, BC in my normal use, Random read/write performance is way more important and the SSDs being silent and low in powerconsumption with a Dram cache, rather than with a heatsink with a fan on it and it being Expensive.
If they put out Gen 5 PCIE 2x NVME SSDs and make them cheaper, than I might be interested, since so they use less PCIE lanes, and get the same speed as Gen 4 x4 PCIE NVME M.2 Drives (then).
I don't need it, but those PCIE 4 NVME things that use a PCIE x16 slot and hold a bunch of them seems like a much better choice vs. PCIE 5.
I've got a hunch that we'll need PCIE 5 after games are developed for the next generation of consoles.
I'm more than fast enough on nvme 3....honestly have zero issues gaming from my SATA SSD either. Unless its server or heavy workstation anything nvme 3.0 or above is a waste.
@@frogslayer4849 That's still a few years away. The Slim version of the consoles don't have much in the way of hardware changes and still use PCIe 4 for their NVMe drives.
Yes the faster the drive, the hotter it gets. Novel concept.
Good morning. Thanks for this- very informative and very insightful. I want to ask two questions though- now that the iPhone 15 Pro Max is significantly changing the landscape of video recording and filmmaking, the one metric I wish I saw here were temperatures. I am in need of an NVMe SSD which can remain cool, passively, while being written to continuously for periods up to an hour without becoming too hot. Can you tell us if you remember from your testing, which drive ran the coolest of the lot? Secondly, why no Western Digital drives were in your tests? Thank you and I eagerly anticipate your response.
not any crucial nvme on your list , what do u think about the t500 ?
Can you test any laptop with the new intel core ultra vs something like the MacBook m1 pro 16 inch? They usually come close in price for new conditions. And I'm also wondering what premiere pro and battery life compares now with the new chip
Great video. Thanks for the heatsink bit.
Any time!
You should really take a look at Silicon Power XS70 4 TB M.2-2280 Drives, their performance really surprised me.
Great info again. Thanks, you explain things very clearly.
I've had constant successes with multiple WD Black series SSD M.2's. I have a 128gn drive thats 6 years old and its still plugging away.
Definitely put Kingston Fury Renegade 2TB/4TB in there :)
Thanks. Still have gen3 and 4 here.
Great Review! Thanks.
There are Brands ive never heard bevor. Fantastic for a better Decision.
After that ive choose for Sabrent Rocket 4.0 for my upcomming Minisforum UM790PRO.
Now i´m lookin for 64GB(2x32) 5600 DDR5 SODIMM RAM.
Did you made Reviews about RAM before?
Are the RAMs from Sabrent also good?
Thanks and Greetings from Germanny.
So if I wanted to get into Unreal Engine 5 development, what would that be considered as and how could the work flow of OS | Cache | whatever else benefit it???
The problem with heatsink drives is when you upgrade it makes it harder to put them into an usb enclosure, which is also where dram matters as no hmb.
I watched your video comparing dram vs dram-less ssd performance for video editing, but it only showed the benchmark score. I’m curious about how they perform in real life scenarios. Has anyone used dram-less ssd for video editing and can share their experience? How satisfied are you with the speed and stability of your dram-less ssd? Do you think it’s worth getting a dram ssd instead? I would appreciate any feedback from you.
Proud owner of a corsair 2tb MP700 and it’s a totally different experience
Hello! Thank you very much for the review, it's great! Please tell me what kind of computer chair you have that looks very interesting and amazing?
Search for the video on the channel ;)
Do you know of definitive info on which type of RAID configuration is needed for these, if at all? SSDs with DRAM seem to have higher fail protection, so is RAID 5 even necessary in, for example a PCIe Card with 8x 4TB SSD used as a very fast working drive on a Mac Studio using a Sonnet echo?
Does it make sense to put the system nvme in the first slot to increase speed? Now it has a 2TB D drive and I don’t know if it’s worth tearing it off the radiator and moving it to another slot. All slots Pci-e 4
Hi. Is it sufficient to use B660 motherboard with I5 13500? (My budget is around that)
Prices of gen 4 SSDs are going up. KC3000 2TB was about 10000 INR 1.5 months ago, now its about 13850 INR. I was about to buy 2 of those but now it seems like prices are increasing on a daily basis.
Nice round-up. As a YT creator, how much storage did you need last year?
30-50TB + and I had to delete a lot coz I ran out :)
Awesome video! Helped me take my WD Black goggles off. 😂
What are your thoughts on the Inland Performance Plus drives? Worthwhile or avoid?
The sn850x is great for it's SLC cache size tho. Its nearly the theoretical max size for a TLC drive being almost 30% of it's total capacity (the theoretical limit is 33%) where as the 990 pro is only like 10% of its capacity as SLC cache. In other words with the wd drive it is very unlikely you'll drop to the much lower sustained speeds in the real world ever, even when transfering a lot of large files at once.
@@FrozokenI do like the SN850X from a price to capacity standpoint
Hey new sub...;) Question, i am a music composer and do graphics artwork and i only use M.2´s for that. But what about an internal storage Harddrive, you know the old school´s like the Seagate Baracuda 2TB etc. I have used them for internal storage and they have been fine, but what is the best drive for longterm internal storage in the budget range, a Seagate BarraCuda old school drive or is SSD´s and M.2´s better at these things in 2024. Do you know?
What do you think about Crucial T500 2TB NVME.?
I am hoping to build soon and I will get a gen 5 2TB as the OS drive (yes AMD platform and I checked if the gpu slot gets slowed) and a gen 4 nvme 4TB as a resource storage (all those addons and media you download for reuse, music, graphics etc) and immediate projects drive. I will be including the m2 drives in my custom loop along side CPU, GPU and RAM too.
If I can spare the money I want a sata ssd based NAS for archiving. The jury is still out on that. Havent done my homework on that yet.
No one talks about scratch disks anymore. Is there still a point for those? Back in the day I had WD Raptor 10000 RPM drive as a scratch disk.
As an event/party photographer I trash my drives with thousands of raws a week. My 6 year old 960 Pro has been totally issue free.
scratch disks are under the umbrella term of "cache drive" here fyi. They're still used as far as I know too btw.
I"m struggling with deciding on a major upgrade for my computer, which I do some video editing on. I feel the K Intel CPU is the best way to go for DaVinci, however conflicted on if I use a Gen5 NVME my video card would go down to 8x speeds? I'd love to see a comparison with a 13 or 14th gen Intel , with a midrange GPU opereating in the full 16x mode and 8X with a 5th gen nvmie (ddr5 as well)
Yes it will drop to x8 and it's a terrible trade-off for such a negligible performance uplift on the ssd side while also being more expensive, much less efficient and much hotter
@@Frozoken It depends on the motherboard, most DO NOT share PCI-E lanes between the 16X video slot and the NVME M.2 slot.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 No it is specifically tbe gen 5 slot that's the issue here. All of 12-14th gen only has 16 gen 5 lanes avaliable so if you try to use 4 of those with a SSD it'll drop down the cpu attached pcie 16x slot to x8.
@@Frozoken Sounds like an Intel-specific limitation then, I've NOT seen that on the AMD side.
@bricefleckenstein9666 Yes, it is. You're correct. Didn't say it wasn't its just have u watched this guys channel? To say intel is his focus is a bit of an understatement lmfao. If u want the run down btw Intel gets 16x gen 5 lanes +4x gen 4 lanes for the cpu and 8x gen 4 lanes for the chipset while AMD gets 24x gen 5 lanes for the cpu and 4 gen 4 lanes for the chipset. So AMD could've been better than intels solution in every way if the clowns just used 4 of the gen 5 lanes for the chipset and gave the cpu 4x gen 4 lanes instead but no, they had to be able to flex that they could install 2 of the POS that is gen 5 ssds 2 of them use more power than the 7800x3d in gaming 😂
okay but can you please link the "external ssd guide" you mentioned at the first part of the video? idk which one is it
Question for potential error in the "Sequential READ" section, at the bottom the Samsung 980 1TB and Samsung T9 4TB seem to be switching places when you move from percentage chart to graph chart. Is this intended, or is there a chart error?
You've got it right! So the actual 'numbers' for the T9 is somehow gone wrong, it's not 4000MB/s! The correct one is the graph! It's 2011MB/s read through gen2x2 interface :)
Thanks for pointing that out!
@@theTechNotice No problem, thanks for clearing it up! With so much data on so many drives it's understandable that something somehow got mixed up haha. Thanks for all the hard work you've done compiling these tests, they're super useful!
Have you ever done any Crucial testing?
interesting to see a Gen3 drive in compaison e.g. the transcend MTE220S with 4400 tbw and ddr cache,
Which one is better between wd blue sn850 2tb currently at $108 , adata sx8200 pro 2tb at $98 and kingston nv2 2tb at $110?
I am considering buying a kc3000 2tb for consistent performance and it's cheaper than most other options in my country. would you guys suggest it ?
good option!
Why did you use the 1TB version of the Samsung 990 pro, also it would be interesting to see results using all drives on a gen 4 slot because not everybody has gen 5 slots on their boards.
Because he only reviews stuff he gets sent for free which is often by budget, unknown and often shady companies
It's better to group comparison by capacity since usually laptops have limited number of slots and people target a particular capacity SSDs. For example, 4TB doesn't exist for every brand and rating an SSD with max capacity of 2TB above 4TB-maybe the only the option required-is not very useful. Not to mention that TBW numbers are different in different capacities. E.g. while Sodium P44 Pro maybe is higher on your chart the Samsung 990 Pro is better since it has 4TB option while Sodium not. So, I'd say it would be very helpful at least to have separate 4TB and 8TB comparisons.
I totally agree.
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Sustained write is a very important metric. I missed you measuring it.
It's the consistency test :)
Interesting, so the 1tb P44 pro is faster than the 2tb version? It's usually the other way around isn't it?
Usually, yes.
They may have the same number of NAND chips.
Is crucial p5 plus is good nvme also?
What do you think of the 8TB nvme and sata SSDs on the market?
Great video, as usual!
My only wish is that you would separate out the M.2 NVME drives that do not require a huge heatsink. These blazingly fast M.2s are useless on most motherboards (like the Asus ProArt Z790 Creator) because GPUs and other components have to sit over the M.2, and there just isn't room.
$281 for Crucial T705 2TB non heatsink, is that worth the stretch to Gen 5?
Quick question guys i wanna know your opinion, Gen 3 nvme for OS/apps and second Gen 4 nvme for project files and media… is a good configuration? In which its more convenient to install premiere pro?
Gen 4 for O/S and premier pro. 2nd drive can be gen 3 for storage/projects.
But if you're not budget constraint then get all gen 4 nvme.
All the Adata/xpg drive i bought failed i will never buy from them again .Never had problems with crucial/wd/samsung
Agreed.The best m2 SSD it's always something that depends. But i can say what is the worst m2, and that's the Adata swordfish. That thing not only made me lost money, but also a lot of time trying to save my files. I know that there's no bad companys, just bad products, but after this every time i see the Adata name i'm going to remember all the time wasted trying to work with this m2
Hi I have a question I hope you can please answer. I have a MacBook Pro 2015 and I was wondering would it be faster to run gaming or photo editing apps from an external Nvme m.2 ssd rather than the internal one? Please I’d like to know your answer if it would make the apps faster that way.
Very likely as you have 2, Thunderbolt 2 ports that go up to 20Gbps, which is much quicker than even Firewire. USB A is 3.0, gen 1, so 5Gbps, max.
However, best to maintain OS/software internally and utilize your external for editing and/or storage. Storage while not needing ultimate in speed, but it will help keep your internal drive if not 512GB in capacity from getting too full with files. So best to go with external drives that support Thunderbolt if you can. Otherwise, it's USB C speeds or whatever your USB A (up to 5Gbps).
@@johnhpalmer6098 You made it clear for me, thank you, this helps!
I think all requirements start with the operating system, right?
And that requires stability, endurance and then speed. I don't think 1, 2,3 or 5 seconds longer boot time is that important.
I would also plan a separate SSD for the operating system. In principle, you say that too, but you place more value on a 2nd SSD for all other tasks besides the OS tasks.
There are no WD units in this comparison. I know that Western Digital Black SN850X is great, but it’s a little expensive for me. What about the WD_Black SN770? Can someone tell me if this is a solid unit too? I can’t decide between that SSD or KC3000 2tb 😞
Have you found answer?
@@noisetin Most people I asked told me that I should go for the KC3000.
I’ve been rocking with a Sabrent 4TB M.2 SSD with 7.1GB/sec. speed! It’s been fantastic. And I also have it with my carryover Sabrent 4TB w/ 4.9GB/sec. speed on the same motherboard together. And yes, I need 8TB in my system. I have like 100 games installed. The struggle is real 😄
Great information as always! I built my first PC because of your channel. This drive information is incredible. Thank you! Can't wait for your GPU Super reviews!!!!
still confusing what drive would be best for a project drive and whcih one for cache drive?
Odd. A pair of WD SN850X's in RAID 0 off a Z690/Z790 chipset will almost saturate the x8 DMI 4.0 lanes (2 x4 PCIe 4.0 M.2's) for the perfectly optimized Creator setup. Max everything out.
I mean u.2 nvme and enterprise ssd are a thing too, and if you are talking "speeds" often times sustained speeds are very important, and enterprise drives have a lot to offer that consumer drives cannot when it comes to cache size. I often find many consumer nvme drives have such a small amount of cache that the "speeds" are only achievable for a brief time, and then they are pretty slow. So you get great crystalmark scores on some nvme drives, because it uses the cache for these small runs, but then your real world workload gets terrible speeds.
The wd sn850x has almost triple the SLC cache size that the 990 pro does while also being cheaper. It's about 600gb which is damn near as high as theoretically possible with TLC seeing it's 3 bits per cell meaning theoretically the max possible cache size is ~660GB (2000/3).
@@Frozoken yeah, my experience with using enterprise ssd's compared to consumer nvme has been that the enterprise drives just have a consistent sustained speed and IOPS for the duration of whatever you throw at it, and the claimed speeds of consumer nvme just drop off quickly once you start throwing work at it other than just some small tasks.
I haven't worked with the sn850x specifically, but the 990 pro does drop off performance when I have moved or worked with very big files or sustained tasks with a lot of random reads and writes
@bitcoinsig True you can look at tons hardware, they actually measure the SLC cache size, 990 pro 2tb is about 200gb while the sn850x is about 600gb. Enterprise drives are more consistent and especially reliable with way higher endurance but the TLC ones don't have much other than that over good consumer drives. TLC is just not meant for when u actually stress the drive in anything but a near entirely read or write done sequentially. You need to do both at a decent split and those Enterprise TLC drives tank all the same. SLC enterprise drives on the other hand, especially optane, makes the consumer ssds look like a joke lmao. The p5800x is basically the perfect drive and the endurance is like up to like ~600k TB. That's what u get if u want consistent lmao, or any optane pretty much. Hell the 905p is technically consumer and I guarantee it'd demolish TLC enterprise drives in iops, service time, access latency and obviously sustained speeds.
@@Frozoken I have been pretty happy with my results from dropping my 990's for kioxia u.2 drives, they are either CD or CM series and are in a raid10 configuration.
They have been rock solid, very performant, and they have a nearly infinite write life for a normal person. I picked em up cheap, I mean you can get the 3.8tb drives for under $200, but I got 1.6tb for about $80 each and stuck em on a pci card.
Optanes are great drives as well, and will definitely beat my u.2 drives in certain workloads where latency is concerned.
I think the bigger challenge is that modern desktop motherboards and cpus are just so starved for pci lanes now, so running multiple nvme drives directly off cpu lanes and a gpu is a real challenge.
@@bitcoinsig Very true altho on that last point that's the other beauty of optane, their sequential throughput and hence basically overall throughput in terms of pcie congestion is pretty low so you could split up pcie lanes without much issue. The caviat is that they cost so much and unlike the drive u just mentioned, can't even get to that capacity at all so you're kinda forced to increase congestion if you want more capacity. The remotely reasonably price medium ones only go up to 1.5tb which is really starting to feel snall, even if you can run it at 99% full with no performance loss. I bought the p1600x for $50 just for a fast and enterprise grade OS drive, power loss capicators, 1x10¹⁷ bit error rate, 2m mtbf and I shaved 10-15 seconds off my boot time? So worth it.
Very good video! I think it would have been nice to also have a temperature comparison, which limits the lifespan of SSDs. Thank you for your work!
Also these numbers don’t really show justice in the actual time difference on game launch. The gen 5 in many cases are slower. Most all range within a second of each other. Gen 4 is the sweet spot. Just buy a decent gen 4.
I have a fast Gen 4 ssd for my Windows boot. Can someone recommend me a fast gen 3 ssd to put in my second slot in the motherboard used for gaming please?
On top of these SSD's and their capabilities, sometimes manufacturers will increase specs for the higher capacity drives, sometimes not by much, but typically the turbo write speed caches are much larger on the 4TB variants, compared to 500GB or 1TB variants which can massivbely help in some of these synthetic benchmarks.
They don't increase the specs, doubling size just has a weird effect that increases speed algorithmically. This can then be manipulated as a speed increase to either read speed OR write speed OR a lesser boost to both. It's a whole rabbit hole of it's own.
Thanks for the videos, but too bad it lacks very important value of the ssd, and that is temperature,,
Not so important in desktops with active system cooling. Laptops is very important since space prohibits even heatsink.
Good info. Graphs should say Adata Legend, not Adata Legent, right?
Yep! Ha ha
can u make a video on ergonomic chair for long working hours
Done, Have a look on the channel ;)
Bro I'm building a Video Editing pc on limited budget. Either I can get the i5 12400 with GTX 1650 or the I5 13500 without any GPU (which I'll later upgrade)... What should I do?
the gtx 1650 is so bad you should get the better cpu and upgrade gpu when nvidia come back to reality
@@paulchamberlain7942 ok thanks for responding
At 22:29, what does he mean by advising against getting an SSD with a heatsink if you're installing it on a motherboard? Where else would you install an M.2 SSD?
Most motherboards already come with heatsinks so save yourself $10 and get it without the heatsink if that is the circumstance.
I see. My motherboard doesn't have a heat sink on its M.2 slot. But an SSD that I recently purchased does.
If serious longevity is an important factor to you, the PNY LX3030 is an important choice, or if you can find a source for them the PS5018-E18 pSLC based drives.
Pseudo-SLC doesn't manage the longevity of actual SLC, but it's fairly close and the Phison controller is widely used as a standard flash controller with a pSLC-based "cache" mode but can be programmed to use all of it's flash as pSLC.
No wimpy thousand or 3 thousand TBW on a 2 TB drive, the PNY is rated 50,000 TBW and the Phison are comparable vs their size (and less expensive when you can find a source for them).
Digital Spaceport carries some Phison models, but has a very bad habit of being OUT OF STOCK on products it lists.
*DO* expect higher pricing per TB on these drives - there's a cost for them lasting nearly forever even in demanding HIGH data writes usage.
The next best option I know of is the Intel Optane 905 series, at about 17,000 for their "almost 2TB" version - but those are "server" drives and priced accordingly.
HMB is tiny, the p41 plus only asks for 78MB last I remembered, can't compare to the GB per TB of dram on board an SSD.
I swapped it into an usb and went for a samsung instead, likely better real world vm performance. The samsung software is slightly better, easy over provisioning etc.
what happened to SK Hynix Platinum P41 ?
WRONG about the "dont put drives with heat-sink" like the MSI you showed. I have MSI spatium m480 PRO (not play like in the video 22:30 ) and he is bigger then the one you showed, and he fits perfectly! and he is super fast!
Many of these brand I've never heard of. Are these reputable and well known?
Any reason no Crucial in your comparisons.. ?
Awesome video. This can be super important to know. If you use professional video equipment, it's easy to make a whole mess of problems with the wrong speed drives.
Crucial T500 and T700 ??
Seems like buying the Lexar NM800 Pro was the right choice.
For my use case, my primary concern is temperatures, and next would be random R/W. The most useless tests are sequential, unless your source / destination are the same speed exactly or faster these test is meaningless .. not to mention convoluted PCIe direct / shared lanes.
.. Also, let's not forget the forthcoming 14+ GB/s M.2s.
@@DJaquithFL question is just for how long can they maintain those speeds. If you're transfering smaller files/file chunks then it wouldn't necessitate a high transfer rate, and if you transfer bigger files/file chunks then consistency of speed over time is the key -and here gen5 seem to be fairly limited from thermals and base performance systems in general (the main area where enterprise drives have a massive upper hand as they can actually maintain those speeds indefinitely unlike consumer variants). But it'll be interesting to see real-world tests with the next generation of gen5 drives
@@Real_MisterSir .. At home I'll play around with SQL, my data sets are unimaginably large (big data) and even with them trimmed down to 'tiny' sized short compile times are 45 minutes or longer. To expedite often, I'll use a RAM Disk. So yeah my primary concern is as I stated.
@@Real_MisterSir .. One more issue that you might want to think about in your carefully thought out example .. How many PCIe 5.0 slots does your motherboard have? We both know the answer; most motherboards only have one (1) PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot which is typically a direct to CPU porting, so to add another M.2 would require a PCIe slot with some sort of M.2 Card with one or more (sharing) M.2 slot in it and then you're going from direct CPU to Chipset PCIe which adds a lot of latency. Next is comparing a CPU direct versus a chipset M.2 port and then .. How exactly are you transferring the data in and out of your PCIe 5.0 M.2(s); what on a USB-C which often has a host of additional questions including: sharing, direct vs Chipset and/or speed limitations not to mention it's still going to be a huge bottleneck transferring in and out the files.
The only time for most people that they'll even remotely saturate their PCIe 5.0 M.2 is a duplication (copy) on the same exact M.2 drive and certainly not a compilation or a movement of data. Going full circle. AGAIN, the sequential test again is mostly completely useless.
It is even worse for those that game .. often the difference between a crappy PCIe 3.0 M.2 and a top tier PCIe 5.0 M.2 is primarily due to its lacking of DRAM. Opening speeds for games might be at the most 3 to 5 seconds on huge games and often less than one second difference, regardless of the M.2 if it has DRAM.
@@Real_MisterSirMost enterprise drives cant sustain full speeds seeing they're still generally TLC, its impossible. The main difference is that the SLC cache will be almost at the max size that is possible, while consumer drives typically give you like a third to half of the max SLC cache size.
The FireCudas are best..They go in my CP over 7350 with reads and 6950 over writing.Buy the 2TB version..They also have 2550 TBW.
Again, it's really fishy how he doesn't have any Western Digital drives. Particularly the Western Digital Black SN850X, which should be pretty much at the top of every chart
i'm using a 970 evo plus 250gb as my w11 boot drive, a 980 pro 2tb as my main gamedrive for Steam, EA App, Epic etc and two Samsung Sata SSD's for less demanding games next to a WD Red 5200rpm 4tb for data. my Asus z690 Strix F has no PciE 5.0 m2 slot's so i'm still buying 4.0 drives. i would like to retire my HDD for an 6-8tb m2 or Sata SSD but the market has not uch to offer in that range. my focus is not on highes fps or overclocking. it's more of a balanced system for light work and casual gaming with 12600kf and a 4060. atm i'm far below 300w at cp2077 or MSFS2020.
No crucial T500. I just ordered one.
Looks like Lexar NM790 and Kingston KC3000 have the best price/performance.
So much information, and the most important thing is missing. How hot it gets. If one SSD is hot the other doesn't really matter because it will shorten its life faster.
Would you buy the Crucial T705 for 281 it’s come down…
soo... for 4TB, which SSD would you suggest ? for both gaming and creators ?
Western Digital Black SN850X, it's simply the best, and it's really sus how he's avoided testing it for months
@@RobGMun atm im going for kingston fury Renegade, it should have like 400 more write speed tho
@@RobGMunexpensive and they didn't send him a sample
you're aware of comparing ssd's in different sizes isn't the most objective thing? as for example the kc3000 1tb has 7000/6000 read/write speed and 2tb version is 7000/7000 - so to be honest you should try to compare same capacity
Where are the T-create drives?
Surprised you dont have any TeamGroup drives in this list. They have been putting out some very solid drives! Probably like with WD you are not able to get samples.
you're absolutely right, I've got a dozens of drives I'd love to include in this list, but I thought I'll publish what I have so far and perhaps then I'll get more samples and update you guys when I've got more data! :)
@@theTechNotice Well, er, the Z440 is a TeamGroup company drive just under its Cardera brand.
"Legent"??? Did you mean LegenD? I was so focused that I couldn't find it...
A chinese site tested some drives tbw, the lexar ns100 managed 1200tbw~ which is way more than its stated, as did the others, they didn't test to failure. TLC is king.
Why on Crucial SSDs?
Samsung SSD Sata drives are still a lot cheaper than the M.2 drives in 8TB size. From what I can see about half the price so that is a big difference.
If it goes at 9,000 MB/s instead of 8,000MB/s, how will I notice the difference? Of course, I will never be able to tell.
really pisses me off how 2,5" sata drives are handled by manufacturers, there is enough room for more chips inside and enough space to put on some decent heatsinks for longevity, looking for more capacity but capacity vs speed vs capacity does not compute.... sata is a bottle neck by now, and pcie+nvme based m.2 are simply a no brainer choice, even the dramless ones are a better choice than sata.... you should do a video on U.2/U.3 drives using a pcie adapter card in a desktop /to avoid m.2 to u.2 adapter and cables.../, there are some decent "enterprise" solutions for 8 and 15TB drives from micron/intel that have a great GB vs speed vs price ratio and are more robust for heat dissipation purposes...2400 euro for a 30TB QLC ssd or 5k for TLC version is out of reach for a normal enthusiast, but for work purposes into a beefy workstation....well maybe one day not that far in the future....
Maybe I'm getting old,but,sata ssd is something I trust more than any other form of storage,I have one kingston I bought 10 years ago,0 problems in 10 years,and still using it,not to mention practicality of it.
I've had this Samsung 960 Pro running for 6 years now. I am a photographer who copies on thousands of raw images a week. Then export hundreds of those and then copy the project off the drive to archive. Point is it gets trashed more than an avg user, never had a single issue.
He failed to mention that m.2 is a form factor ..not a speed ..he implied that sata was slow and m.2 was fast ..sata is availble in m.2 form factor ....(only nvme m.2 is fast)
You are correct!
You missed one other category. That was power consumption. Oh well, we live in hope.
Love your channel! Just wanted to add my two cents:
1) Very rarely people test speeds of non empty drive. Imo testing ssd that is 60%-70% full is much more realistic scenario of use for most people. And results may differ drastically for a ssd relying on fast SLC cache.
2) TBW is more of an hiearchy rather than realistic number. It tells you that drive A of a same manufacturer is expected to be more(or less) durable than drive B.
For example there's a russian channel called "prossd". They conduct a livestreams testing endurance of different SSDs. Netac NV7000 that is rated for 700TBW died after just ~60 TBW. And Kingston KC3000 rated at 800 TBW already has ~3700 TBW at the time of my comment and still in perfect working order.
Toms hardware tests all their drives at 50% capacity
Ever tried to change the internal formatting sector size? You can do it in linux using the nvme-cli tools. Most drives are 512b out of the box, but some can be formatted into 4k mode. Haven't seen huge performance differences (4k results tend to improve slightly), but i have seen reports of power consumption and heat reductions of the SN850X.
There is a cool nvme gen5 on-board controller chip out now, or damn soon that is going to make gen5 & gen6 the way to go, doubly so if you edit large files, as in a youtuber content creator. ...and gamers should just enjoy the cheap prices for gen4, there is zero need to load a game fractions of a second faster.