Outside the US it’s quite common to use the Mayday call as it’s universally recognised and this helps clarify the call especially in countries which may not be as fluent in English.
In my opinion, every flight crew should have that readily available right out the gate. I find it ridiculous that it takes up to several minutes for many crews to even answer, and that really irritates me as an aviation enthusiast.
@@dukeofrodtown1705as a controller, it actually irritates me when controllers pester pilots about fuel remaining and souls on board. The following is required minimum information in an emergency: aircraft identification and type aircraft, nature of the emergency, and pilot’s intentions. Fuel remaining and souls on board is not a priority. The flight crew’s and the controller’s number one objective is to get the plane down safely and I dislike hearing controllers asking over and over again about fuel and souls. The flight crew is busy handling an emergency and the last thing the flight crew needs is controllers bothering them with extraneous questions. This is just my opinion as a controller but all I care about is what’s going on and what the flight crew wants to do, and how I can accommodate that. The rest we can figure out time permitting.
@@seeyearuhbravo Great points all around! As much as I take all of them, at the end of the day (and I neglected to explain this clearly) it's not just the air traffic controllers who need some of this information. The emergency crews on the ground, the media, TSB investigators need this too for valuable reasons. I feel the controllers having all of this information to quickly relay to the aforementioned groups concerned would be efficient in that accurate information is passed down, once again, to all concerned including the public and people's families who may be affected; moreover, I think you and I both can still agree that every mayday situation (aviation or nor) ought to be handled in an efficient, thorough, but rapid way that keeps as many people impacted alive and well as possible.
I really wish more pilots got into the habit of declaring mayday, and stating the usual information (souls aboard, fuel remaining in *insert appropriate measurement unit here*, etc.) on every frequency change. Kudos to the Iberia Airlines crew for doing that, and amazing professionalism from all involved as always. Fantastic comms work as well.
@@tjerome94 You raise an excellent point of merit here, Tim! My thing is, that the ground crews and other controllers in different sectors may not know or need to clarify something. That's why I believe pilots should recap their mayday situation on every ATC sector handover - just for courtesy's sake. What's wrong with being courteous and recapping a constantly developing situation for the benefit of people on the ground, right?
@@dukeofrodtown1705that's ATC s job to relay all relevant information to the next sector and anyone who might be interested in it. And that works perfectly fine everywhere in the world except for the US where you get questions regarding the same information over and over again at each new station.
@@dukeofrodtown1705 Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Note the order, as it is seared into the brains of pretty much all pilots from day one of flight school. And that is even in normal flights but applies much more in an emergency. The number of checklists they are going to have to add to their workload for dealing with a possible fire, setting up the flight management systems for the unexpected return, briefing the cabin crew on what procedures to expect regarding any possible evacuation, and calculating the stopping distance of such a heavily laden aircraft and how that fits into the available runway is considerable. If you add to that the need to communicate repetitiously to every changed frequency, the handoff procedure in ATC is broken, badly.
Clear communication. Keep in mind that there are over 100,000 commercial flights every day. You’re 10,000x more likely to be in an accident if you drive to the airport.
Now that is how to properly handle an emergency. Some of these emergencies are hard to listen to with delayed requests, or refusal to declare a full emergency. There was no doubt what was going on here.
I’m not saying it was the problem here but I wonder whether these cabin smoke/fire incidents are a lot more common with everyone carrying lithium-ion batteries these days. A Lufthansa cabin service director recently told me that she deals with a serious problem about once a month.
100%. It happens when people have carry on luggage that the airline needs to check at the gate, and the passenger fails to remove batteries from the now-checked luggage.
I'd find it very hard to believe the problem could be that widespread, yet not reported on in the news at all. Mainstream media *loves* to run "deathtrap" stories, anything to drum up fear and cause a panic as it's great for ratings. Battery fires do happen, but they're not common. There is nothing abnormal that occurs in an airplane that would cause them to be unstable anymore than anywhere else. The cabin, and cargo hold, are pressurized. Think about it, you don't hear about phones bursting into flames in all the high altitude cities around the world, even ones far higher (altitude) than what the cabin is pressurized to. The reason they don't want batteries in checked luggage is simply so that a problem, if it does happen, will be known and can be dealt with before it starts anything else on fire.
Everyone carrying them, and them getting older as well. I know at Chinese airports they got scrutinized bad, and if my device didn't have it's properties listed clearly, they confiscated it and there was no arguing. Outside China I've never seen them be serious about confiscating dubious batteries.
Good to see in the end everything was ok. Why is 'heavy' mentioned after identifying who they are? Does this mean the plane is full of fuel, or filled with people?
It means the plane is heavy and thus alerts everyone to possible wake turbulence. It’s used takeoff to touchdown for an aircraft over a given weight. An A380 is super heavy, I think. A320/737 is not a heavy. Apparently an A330 is heavy.
I watched this from the ground..there was an aircraft on approach that was sent around from the approach to make way for 6166. I was wondering what had happened
The controller uses phrase "would you like to go right in..." Don't you think it might be confusing for the pilots that it doesn't mean to actually turn right or anything to do with the course change? I mean that the word "right" should be restricted only when mentioning course change.
The fact that they’re wearing their oxygen masks means that there is smoke in the flight deck, which would be rather distressing for the pilots. Well done to them for their textbook return to land.
omg.. you missed the Martha's vineyard single Piper engine plane crash just last Saturday ? cmon ATC control tower there too active. . Where is it ? pax lady 68 had takeover saved plane and pilot. Can't u get that one ??? [ sadly this pilot passed away just week so after went hospital]
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The comms were absolutely perfect, until 3:26, where the tower controller asked "do you require any assistance?" Does MAYDAY and "smoke in the cabin" ring any bells? Fire service should have been immediately deployed and ready to go! This suggests there is no SOP for these incidents. It's a wing-it operation. NOT OK.
Kinda made me chuckle. Im 99% certain that the firebrigade or ATC at an airport like freakin BOS has a SOP for Smoke in the cabin. ;) Anyways im very certain that the Fire services were ready to go/deployed in such a scenario (even though the you can´t tell from the audio provided in the video) and that the controler just wanted to clarify what exactly the pilots needed from them (like check for hot brakes etc). Would be intresting to listen to the ground freq to verify that the truck were rolling tho.
Obviously the fire service was deployed long before that. The "do you require any assistance" was asking if there is anything specific the fire service should be doing other than standing by behind the aircraft. Like anything from checking the brakes temperature to assisting with an evacuation.
I thought MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY was the universal call for an emergency, PAN-PAN-PAN when there isn’t an immediate threat. I guess from the comments. MAYDAY isn’t universal?
American aviators are often very bad about standard phraseology. English being the universal language of aviation and it being our native language, many get very lazy about brevity and using the actual ICAO or even FAR/AIM terms. The fact that the crew even used “mayday” at all instead of just, “declaring an emergency” is noteworthy.
@@VASAviation by all of that I mean delay vectors not requested, so clearly a crew very much aware of its options at an early stage, very much on the ball - respect to them \m/
@@officialmcdeath smoke in the cabin, you get down. You don't stay up dumping fuel for half an hour. Rather they land heavy than crash. Also, they got a hot brake check so they're aware of being overweight.
@@Suplyndmnd fair point - indeed they immediately specified their preferred runway, obviously wanting the longest possible - clearly very familiar with the airport \m/
They donned oxygen masks (you can hear from their voice) and it is part of checklist. Also there is an item in checklist for "Smoke, fire or Fumes" (in 737NG) stating: "Do not delay landing in an attempt to complete all of the following steps". Basically you need to don oxygen mask, divert as quickly as possible and do checklist while diverting but landing is prioritized over completion of checklist.
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MAYDAY, I like that way of declaring.
I also liked that they repeated the Mayday on every frequency change.
@@matthewa8713 Also stating the nature of the emergency. That saves a lot of exchanges while the ground crew asks that again and again.
Outside the US it’s quite common to use the Mayday call as it’s universally recognised and this helps clarify the call especially in countries which may not be as fluent in English.
Emergencies are marked EM for ATC.
What are they marked as in Europe for either PAN or Mayday?
Won’t be long until the troll turns up…
That is the first time I ever heard a flight crew have their souls onboard immediately available. Superb! No need for ATC to ask over and over.
In my opinion, every flight crew should have that readily available right out the gate. I find it ridiculous that it takes up to several minutes for many crews to even answer, and that really irritates me as an aviation enthusiast.
I've heard it lots of times... when it was a cargo flight or a GA plane with single digit occupants. :)
@@dukeofrodtown1705as a controller, it actually irritates me when controllers pester pilots about fuel remaining and souls on board. The following is required minimum information in an emergency: aircraft identification and type aircraft, nature of the emergency, and pilot’s intentions. Fuel remaining and souls on board is not a priority. The flight crew’s and the controller’s number one objective is to get the plane down safely and I dislike hearing controllers asking over and over again about fuel and souls. The flight crew is busy handling an emergency and the last thing the flight crew needs is controllers bothering them with extraneous questions. This is just my opinion as a controller but all I care about is what’s going on and what the flight crew wants to do, and how I can accommodate that. The rest we can figure out time permitting.
It should be right in the load sheet, and souls very rarely change during a flight…
@@seeyearuhbravo Great points all around! As much as I take all of them, at the end of the day (and I neglected to explain this clearly) it's not just the air traffic controllers who need some of this information. The emergency crews on the ground, the media, TSB investigators need this too for valuable reasons. I feel the controllers having all of this information to quickly relay to the aforementioned groups concerned would be efficient in that accurate information is passed down, once again, to all concerned including the public and people's families who may be affected; moreover, I think you and I both can still agree that every mayday situation (aviation or nor) ought to be handled in an efficient, thorough, but rapid way that keeps as many people impacted alive and well as possible.
great comms, looked like they went in really fast and safe - well done
I'm very impressed with the clarity of the pilots communication.
I really wish more pilots got into the habit of declaring mayday, and stating the usual information (souls aboard, fuel remaining in *insert appropriate measurement unit here*, etc.) on every frequency change. Kudos to the Iberia Airlines crew for doing that, and amazing professionalism from all involved as always. Fantastic comms work as well.
I think they'd be more worried about whatever situation they are in and flying their airplane than pleasing ATC.
@@tjerome94 You raise an excellent point of merit here, Tim! My thing is, that the ground crews and other controllers in different sectors may not know or need to clarify something. That's why I believe pilots should recap their mayday situation on every ATC sector handover - just for courtesy's sake. What's wrong with being courteous and recapping a constantly developing situation for the benefit of people on the ground, right?
@@dukeofrodtown1705that's ATC s job to relay all relevant information to the next sector and anyone who might be interested in it. And that works perfectly fine everywhere in the world except for the US where you get questions regarding the same information over and over again at each new station.
@@dukeofrodtown1705 Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Note the order, as it is seared into the brains of pretty much all pilots from day one of flight school.
And that is even in normal flights but applies much more in an emergency. The number of checklists they are going to have to add to their workload for dealing with a possible fire, setting up the flight management systems for the unexpected return, briefing the cabin crew on what procedures to expect regarding any possible evacuation, and calculating the stopping distance of such a heavily laden aircraft and how that fits into the available runway is considerable. If you add to that the need to communicate repetitiously to every changed frequency, the handoff procedure in ATC is broken, badly.
I think in an emergency especially one with smoke/potential fire issues I want them focused on keeping the plane flying.
Pilot declared mayday with every change of controller…very smart
Indeed.
It's SOP for most places. That or you just add it to the end of your callsign when establishing contact.
It's ICAO standard to add mayday to your callsign - yes, smart, but it's not them being smart, per se.
@@iatsd Maybe but it is them showing a good example to all those (mainly American) pilots who don't do this.
Indeed. Something American pilots need to remember to do. I see UK airline pilots remembering to do this and add Mayday to their call sign.
No delay on the MAYDAY. Dude KNOWS his protocols.
Thank you very much for picking this incident up!🙂👍 Very professional handled by Pilots and ATC.
Everyone kept their cool, nice work all around
Glad everyone is ok, but the "Smoke in the Cabin" title had me humming some old Deep Purple.
Fly safe all!
Litterally fire in the sky
Smooooke in the caabin
Dun dun duu…
Absolute clarity from the crew. Also making sure departure approach and tower controls acknowledge Mayday separately.
I love the ILS approach chart overlay... that's new?
It's been included for quite a few videos now
Right back in - superb job all around!
Smooooke in the caaaa-bin, fire in the sky
Glad to see the crew and atc fully focused on getting them back on the ground without delay
This is a very good channel. Thanks
About the slickest Mayday and return I've heard.
Great job overlaying the ILS plate over the radar image, cool new addition.
Always impressed with the professionalism all around even though I'm expecting it.
Clear communication. Keep in mind that there are over 100,000 commercial flights every day. You’re 10,000x more likely to be in an accident if you drive to the airport.
Now that is how to properly handle an emergency. Some of these emergencies are hard to listen to with delayed requests, or refusal to declare a full emergency. There was no doubt what was going on here.
I’m not saying it was the problem here but I wonder whether these cabin smoke/fire incidents are a lot more common with everyone carrying lithium-ion batteries these days. A Lufthansa cabin service director recently told me that she deals with a serious problem about once a month.
100%. It happens when people have carry on luggage that the airline needs to check at the gate, and the passenger fails to remove batteries from the now-checked luggage.
I'd find it very hard to believe the problem could be that widespread, yet not reported on in the news at all. Mainstream media *loves* to run "deathtrap" stories, anything to drum up fear and cause a panic as it's great for ratings. Battery fires do happen, but they're not common. There is nothing abnormal that occurs in an airplane that would cause them to be unstable anymore than anywhere else. The cabin, and cargo hold, are pressurized. Think about it, you don't hear about phones bursting into flames in all the high altitude cities around the world, even ones far higher (altitude) than what the cabin is pressurized to. The reason they don't want batteries in checked luggage is simply so that a problem, if it does happen, will be known and can be dealt with before it starts anything else on fire.
Everyone carrying them, and them getting older as well.
I know at Chinese airports they got scrutinized bad, and if my device didn't have it's properties listed clearly, they confiscated it and there was no arguing. Outside China I've never seen them be serious about confiscating dubious batteries.
My dad was on this flight but he said the pilots said they had to go back due to a technical failure
Just another day at the office.
I'm always sad we don't get "rogah" from Boston.
And they don't even need any delay vector for checklist
Good to see in the end everything was ok. Why is 'heavy' mentioned after identifying who they are? Does this mean the plane is full of fuel, or filled with people?
It means the plane is heavy and thus alerts everyone to possible wake turbulence. It’s used takeoff to touchdown for an aircraft over a given weight. An A380 is super heavy, I think. A320/737 is not a heavy. Apparently an A330 is heavy.
Anything weighing more than 300,000lbs, apparently
I watched this from the ground..there was an aircraft on approach that was sent around from the approach to make way for 6166. I was wondering what had happened
The controller uses phrase "would you like to go right in..." Don't you think it might be confusing for the pilots that it doesn't mean to actually turn right or anything to do with the course change? I mean that the word "right" should be restricted only when mentioning course change.
Could you make a video about yesterday's AMX647 flight? It was a 787 that had an emergency and returned to LAX. Thanks!
I like maydays, the one that don't end bad I mean
Why wouldn't the airport dispatch the trucks knowing there was smoke in the cabin?
The fact that they’re wearing their oxygen masks means that there is smoke in the flight deck, which would be rather distressing for the pilots. Well done to them for their textbook return to land.
omg.. you missed the Martha's vineyard single Piper engine plane crash just last Saturday ?
cmon ATC control tower there too active. . Where is it ? pax lady 68 had takeover saved plane and pilot. Can't u get that one ???
[ sadly this pilot passed away just week so after went hospital]
Say please
@@VASAviation omg ... ohh pretty please.
happy now. woww triggered much
grow up
@@phillp7777 You're the one who needs to grow up, saying "please" is just basic courtesy.
@@siniorgolazo myob
u out of kgarten yet to know what that means flmao
@@phillp7777 This is the youtube comment box, not a telegram. You will not be overcharged for adding the missing letters. Also liking your own comment is cringe.
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Fire Sale: 6 maydays for the price of one.
With 666 it was doomed from the start 😂
Did they perform a fuel dump?
Negative
Nobody does that in terms of smoke onboard after SWR111
What's the alarm at 3:04?
Sounded like morse code, maybe identifying a nav beacon?
I thought for a second it was my phone buzzing on the table. lol!
Probably someone else transmitting on the frequency but his transmission got blocked
Sounds like the BOS VOR.
Could be the middle marker for the ILS.
Wonder if it was yet another laptop or phone battery spontaneously combusting…
Smoke in cabin, heavy aircraft and hot brakes why weren't emergency vehicles dispatched ready to meet upon landing...
They were.
Why not just open a window and let the smoke out
The comms were absolutely perfect, until 3:26, where the tower controller asked "do you require any assistance?"
Does MAYDAY and "smoke in the cabin" ring any bells? Fire service should have been immediately deployed and ready to go!
This suggests there is no SOP for these incidents. It's a wing-it operation. NOT OK.
I'd assume it's at pilot's discretion. "Assistance" includes ambulances, medics, and law enforcement.
I assumed they meant vector/speed/etc call outs. Smoke in the cabin can mean low visibility. Can also mean someone set a fire and need police.
Kinda made me chuckle. Im 99% certain that the firebrigade or ATC at an airport like freakin BOS has a SOP for Smoke in the cabin. ;)
Anyways im very certain that the Fire services were ready to go/deployed in such a scenario (even though the you can´t tell from the audio provided in the video) and that the controler just wanted to clarify what exactly the pilots needed from them (like check for hot brakes etc). Would be intresting to listen to the ground freq to verify that the truck were rolling tho.
Obviously the fire service was deployed long before that. The "do you require any assistance" was asking if there is anything specific the fire service should be doing other than standing by behind the aircraft. Like anything from checking the brakes temperature to assisting with an evacuation.
Yeah I heard emergency services were playing poker and smoking cigars instead of being lined up next to the runway to be of some use.
I thought MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY was the universal call for an emergency, PAN-PAN-PAN when there isn’t an immediate threat. I guess from the comments. MAYDAY isn’t universal?
American aviators are often very bad about standard phraseology. English being the universal language of aviation and it being our native language, many get very lazy about brevity and using the actual ICAO or even FAR/AIM terms. The fact that the crew even used “mayday” at all instead of just, “declaring an emergency” is noteworthy.
So if they dump fuel, than they don’t need as many fire trucks and the other firefighters can continue watching Netflix.
A Mayday with smoke in the cabin and they didn't roll the trucks? WTF
They did though. ARFF were on scene.
Not good.
Nope, but the handling seemed perfect!
@Tell me you’re joking.
No checklists or consideration of overweight landing? That must've been urgent for real \m/
How do you know they didn't check that?
@@VASAviation by all of that I mean delay vectors not requested, so clearly a crew very much aware of its options at an early stage, very much on the ball - respect to them \m/
@@officialmcdeath smoke in the cabin, you get down. You don't stay up dumping fuel for half an hour. Rather they land heavy than crash. Also, they got a hot brake check so they're aware of being overweight.
@@Suplyndmnd fair point - indeed they immediately specified their preferred runway, obviously wanting the longest possible - clearly very familiar with the airport \m/
They donned oxygen masks (you can hear from their voice) and it is part of checklist. Also there is an item in checklist for "Smoke, fire or Fumes" (in 737NG) stating: "Do not delay landing in an attempt to complete all of the following steps". Basically you need to don oxygen mask, divert as quickly as possible and do checklist while diverting but landing is prioritized over completion of checklist.
Why is it that a pilot's favorite word is "uh"?
They probably only needed to say MAYDAY once but I can't fault them for using the full callout.
One would think so, to save some time or so. But actually it is three times the distress call, three times MAYDAY or three times PAN PAN.
@@usernogo- it is said three times to bring everyone’s attention to the situation. Saying it once might be misheard or missed altogether.