My mom was one of Brian Thompson's many, many victims. He delayed or denied her treatment over, and over, and over again until she died from lung cancer. She lived her life as healthily as she could afford. She didn't smoke, lived a clean life. Got lung cancer anyway. Brian was like "naaaaah, I want another mansion, fuck your future" She was my ONLY parent, and I was her ONLY child. I had a newborn at the time. I was a caregiver with a baby on my breast. She may not have beaten the cancer in the end, but she wouldn't have had to wait two fucking years for treatment....by the time it had progressed to fourth stage. Her doctor had said, at the beginning, she had a fighting chance. It wasn't 4th stage yet. A week after she died my daughter learned to walk. She deserved to see that. She was only 68 and only barely made it to her birthday. Her body fell apart, more or less. I blame him and everyone like him that created systems that killed patients rather than saved them. I wouldn't have felt like it was half murder if they hadn't tried so hard not to treat her with the money she gave them. Then Brian Thompson was shot. A lot of PTSD was triggered and not because of Luigi. Phantom sights, smells...the ghosts of all that came back in this invisible wave that knocked the breath out of my lungs. I didn't know this feeling: Closure. It's awful that it took a murder to give me that. I never would have asked for it...but it did something I could never do. I feel GRATFUL to him as much as I struggle to reconcile myself to that feeling. I almost feel like it was a serial killer taken down and my mom was one of the victims. I don't believe in hell, but if by chance one exists, I hope he's in the hell version of ER waiting for treatment for his fatal wounds that will ultimately be ignored over and over. It's only fair.
What a sad story.I'm so sorry you lost your mom so young. What a crime. I'm glad you feel some closure, and your gratitude to Luigi makes perfect sense...your seeing Thompson as a serial killer and your mom as one of his victims, yeah. Makes every kind of sense. I too hope Thompson has to suffer for all the suffering he caused. My heart is with you, Sister.
Condolences for the loss of your mother. I'm so glad you are finding healing. It seems many in this country are. Have a slightly different story which resulted in me also having PTSD. My story starts with Stalin. When BT was neutralized, it also gave me a little sense of closure because Stalin had been neutralized when he just started his extermination lists, a keen to BT's tenure at UHC, most likely my great-grandfather would not have been on that list just like your mother would not have been on BT's list. It has provided some closure as well. I understand you. I hope you feel better and heal further. ❤❤❤
United Health Care denied my treatment for atypical presentation of Guillain-Barre Syndrome so I'm now permanently disabled. I WAS A UNITED HEALTH CARE EMPLOYEE. Lost my job. Had to give up my apartment. Now I live in a Campervan with my cat....but not down by the river. I rent a driveway for a safe place to park.
@@Xianne027 And it's all the worse because the syndrome could be completely cured if treatment was started in time. And the treatment isn't even particularly expensive - if nobody artificially increases the costs.
The US is the only first world country where something this awful can happen to someone. This should never be allowed. Ever. Our country is so obsessed over being rich and how much the poor people can "give back to society" that we forgot that all humans deserve basic decency. And if you are born or became disabled, you are treated like you committed the worse crime ever. Think about, you are literally put before a judge and need lawyers if you need to get on the tiny little bit of disability you can get here. And then your case is auto-denied most of the time. And then it's a whole traumatic process.
@@irrichman but you see now, CEOs are in charge of mainstream corpo propagand... I mean news. So of course if you look at all the news websites like CNN, FOX, ABC etc. you're gunna see it spun as he's a terrorist. Plus the parasi.. I mean people who are prosecuting him are indicting him with terrorism also.
Dylann Roof was not changed with terrorism after shooting up a Black church and killing nine people. Why is this guy getting that charge added to second degree murder?
"Let's not let it go to waste;" thank you! This is where I'm sitting at with it as well. If people are going to say his murder was tragic, then let's use that energy to make some meaningful, /positive/ changes in the world of healthcare so people DON'T have to resort to murder just to get some attention on the severe inequities within the current system.
Exactly, the reason people feel this was justice is because our law makers are making no moves to crack down on these monsters themselves. If the government can't provide a sense of justice, what else can you expect people to do?
It's not murder, it's self defense. The difference is in the cause, even if the effect is the same. Healthcare has the option to change and make self defense unnecessary.
OK, so what do you propose we do? This new government is going to be controlled even more by lobbyists for the ultra-rich who do not give a dam about others' well-being and health. And the American people voted for this!! the same people who are outraged at corporate and healthcare insurance's greed.
I admit that my first response was "it took this long?" Medical bankruptcy has driven people to suicide or into homelessness. It is less than surprising that the issues around medical care would lead to murder. I hope his family comes through their personal tragedy intact. I also hope _United Healthcare_ doesn't deny them the therapy they will need.
I feel bad for his kids. Come to think of it, I wonder what it is like for them to hear the numbers around the death and illness that their dad let continue. Their dad let so many people die, slowly or quickly. What is it like to hear the whole country cheer for your dad's death? How does a young person contend with this? Does it change how they see him, their mother, and themselves?
@@andrew9360 They probably sleep perfectly fine in their luxury gold framed feather downe beds in their 20 million dollar mansion, under their ruby encrusted heated blankets. In fact, they just inhereted a fortune, so maybe they sleep even better?
Yes I know the whole victim mentality is unhelpful and sometimes get out of hand, but what I find the most incredible is still the fact that the corporates together with the post-war government of the United States somehow managed to do the extreme opposite with its people. They instilled in the American people such a deep believe in capitalism to a point where many American lower class always thought of themselves as "millionaires in waiting" as opposed to seeing the systematic oppression and exploitation of THEMSELVES by the rich.
I knew that this was different when it first happened and I told my aunt. She's in her 70's, is the very definition of a sweet old lady, and has been living with rheumatoid arthritis her entire adult life. All she had to say was "so it's come to this." Damn.
@@Confron7a7ion7you(USA) didn't try voting. The fact that voter turn out was less than 2020 proves some thing is terribly wrong in your country I don't care how qualified Harris was, but the fact Americans deliberately chose the worst candidate in the history of the world shows....well, lets just say its sad
There are also two waves of reaction. There was the initial reaction where people were indifferent to it when they were told they had to be devastated by it and then there was a second reaction to being scolded for not being devastated by it as if we were supposed to be more affected by the shooting, then all the death and destruction of our own family and friends. I was indifferent and then they started finger wagging. That's when I got pissed😂 These clueless people who have never had to deal with the American healthcare Mafia scolding all of its victims and trying to make this out to be the most devastating and horrendous crime of the century in response to our indifference made us all much more irritated and loud😂
Wow, original comment here is so relatable it’s getting a response from me! Laughable (as long as you aren’t me) bc I am disabled by RA, had Humana when my stroke hit in 2012, lost use of left arm until I finally, in my dazed sense, realized my only survival would be a change in insurance. Probably already guessed I went with UHC lol. Fortunately, I got a policy where I could see a specialist without referral, ENT specialist in network, who finally used her stethoscope, sent me to a good Vascular Surgeon who did emergency bypass surgery on my L. Carotid Arty, relieving pressure on left arm from 100% blocked artery in September 2017. Took me awhile to realize I am now one of the “invisible disposable people” as a disabled hard working taxpayer, but blood flow WAS restored to my brain, for what it’s worth. Pardon typos bc I can’t see well & the story is much longer, but the moral to it? Be very careful IF you are a working class, tax paying American. I guess enough said bc I know my time is short. I’m only 63, but realize my generation has allowed this, by becoming workaholics with an aim to survive. Irony is cruel but hopefully someone else learns from my mistakes.
UHC trued to deny me Open heart surgery while I was experiencing a massive heart attack. So the ER did a angiogram to unblock the heart and loaded me into an ambulance tbbe transported 32 miles away to a hospital in network where they had to do the open Heart surgery because i wasn't improving. UHC denied responsibility for both hospitals and both ambulance rides. Appealed twice. Said fuck it. And im 350k in debt in heart failure. Aint life awesome. Yeah zero empathy for the CEO of death
What it will take is some terminally ill people to deal to insurance CEOs. I am old and if I had terminal say cancer but still mobile, that would appeal to me.
I had united healthcare insurance for years. They didn't actually deny many claims, but for some reason whenever the doctors would go to submit a claim, it would show that my coverage had terminated, so they wouldn't file the claim. Then I'd have to call the doctor and confirm that the coverage was still in effect, and have them submit the claim. So even though they denied very few of my claims, the net effect was that claims were delayed, and occasionally I'd have to end up paying out of pocket because it would take too long to get the claim in and they'd deny it because it wasnt filed in a timely manner.
This is part of the scam. YOU as the patient don’t see as many claim and auth denials because they get denied as physician responsibility. If the patient doesn’t know, the patient is happy. UHC is the biggest enemy in our practice.
They deny more than twice the industry standard, and force their employees to use an AI algorithm that has been proven both in house and by independent doctors to have a roughly 90% error rate for denials. The industry standard for claims rejections is ~16%, which is already insane. Who in their right mind would believe that 16% of people using health insurance are trying to commit fraud - the only morally justifiable reason to deny coverage; let alone the ~32% that UHC denies?
Really? I don’t know why. If your job is to deny as many claims as possible how would you expect anything other than to be denied when you try to use the same thing
I worked on their Medicare and Medicaid side for years. Until my wife got a different job my son and I had to be on their insurance. It was a fucking terrible plan and it showed they didn’t care about their own employees and sure as hell didn’t care about others either.
I asked a young person why there was such celebration over the assassination of a man. The answer was tragic. “You”, not you, but adults are letting us die in school shootings. Adults don’t care whether us kids die; why should we care about one rich man?” The next day the Wisconsin school shooting took place and I I learned there had been well over 300 school shootings so far this year. What have we done? Our young people are becoming numb to violence.
And the sure put a lot of police time into one murder in NYC. No one else has gotten that much attention as a murderer since the Boston Marathon bombings.
Already are And its also in church, in the supermarket, in traffic, at parades, in clubs, in parking lots.. there is no safe place in public. When I told my friends back home in Europe that somebody got shot in my supermarket because someone else wanted to steal something, they were shocked. My brain keeps forgetting and remembering everytime I pass by the market. And that is just of hundreds of violent crimes and murders that happened since I moved here during the pandemic
I was rushed to an out of network hospital after suffering a dissected carotid artery and a stroke. United Healthcare denied my claim in its entirety. Luigi Mangione channeled the rage and despair of millions who have been abused, injured, and killed by health insurance companies.
All the media pundits and politicians loudly proclaiming 'Violence is NEVER the answer, violence is NEVER appropriate!'.... I sit there hearing them and I'm like... emmer-effer's, do you know *anything* about history? About how worker rights came to exist in this country? That we, you know, participated in WWII and helped defeat the Axis? Well, I guess we should have stayed out of WWII then since violence is never appropriate. Like come on, no one hearing you is *that* dumb, no matter how much effort is put into sabotaging public education.
Except the monarchy came back for a bit after that whole Napoleon business, and France is about to be on its sixth Republic. It’s a true ism for a reason that violence begets more violence.
Privatized businesses are great for small or material businesses. But for big, necessary services? No. They’re betting against you in favour of profits. It won’t end well.
What if, WHAT IF healthcare was just given, as a right for being a citizen, along with basic housing and food and good quality education? In a world where amazon can deliver anything you want in a day and AI can spew waffle on any topic, you rekon we can spare some beans and rice and a studio apartment for the people who need it?
True. It’s good we’re all now talking about this. It has been unspoken for too long. And that’s what the oligarchs wanted - for everyone to keep quiet about what was happening to them individually so that we wouldn’t notice they were doing the same to all of us.
Sure. That doc on the stage has like millions of followers and every comment here has no to just few likes. Not bringing bad news to you but with this enthusiasm we are going backwards
My dad was driven to bankruptcy in the 70s due to mom's medical bills. That's one of the reasons why I live in Canada now. This week I've learned that in quebec they're starting private Fee-for-service clinics. rot is setting in.
I thought that private clinics had been around Canada for a while. I've seen videos from Canadians, especially living in remote areas, have had to go to a private clinic and pay out of pocket because they can't get the care they need from the health system.
@@drunkAFgay You can't pay out of pocket for the care you need. It's illegal. However, you might have to go to the U.S. and pay out of pocket down there. You also might find in a remote area that the care you need is not available to you so you have to get referred to somewhere where the care is available. Even in non-remote areas where there is a medical school, a nursing school, a school that trains pysiotherapists and hospitals that train ultra sound technicians and MRI techs and X-ray techs like Kingston, Ontario, there are patients that have to travel to remoter locations like Smith Falls, an hour away or Napanee or Belleville to get hip replacement surgery or knee replacement surgery. It's still free, but how many people without a vehicle or someone to drive them cannot get that speedy service in these places an hour or more's drive away? We also lack a public pharmacare plan--there are catastrophic plans available though. Some people have private EHB plans as well. I'm amazed at how many bills my husband and I, both elderly, have to send off to our EHB plan which wouldn't be available to everyone, by the way. We have private blood labs, private foot care clinics, private MRI and ultrasound and X-ray clinics, private medical clinics, etc., but we just give the facility our OHIP card and it picks up the tab. Services and equipment that is medically necessary can be denied though. We could do better in Ontario.
I paid $20,000 because I went into preterm labor, and needed a c section. Once baby was born, I paid $300 a week for lifesaving medicine as newborn couldn't absorb nutrients, claim was denied as unnecessary. And I was then working as an EMPLOYEE of UnitedHealth, a frontline worker! With UnitedHealthDon'tCare insurance. So do I feel bad for that CEO? DID HE FEEL BAD FOR MY FAILING TO THRIVE BABY? Side note: The alleged shooter is HOT 🔥 and I don't think he is the real shooter. Something smells fishy in Brooklyn. So, again, where was Jonathan? 😅🤣🤣
@asmrtina6966 As a single mother, I've since had to work two jobs to pay for those significant financial setbacks, and still catching me up. And Ben Shapiro wants me to shed tears for a man who used AI to make me a number. Well, CEO, you're just a number too.
1:10 two main reactions I saw on social media were - "I'm sorry but my condolences are not covered by the plan" - "hey, luigi couldn't possibly kill anyone, on Dec 4 he was with me playing Minecraft from 6am to 6 pm" So I'm not sure about the people who were getting mad 😂
I knew a guy that worked for the claims processing company writing the machine learning code. Needless to say, he had trouble sleeping and had to go into rehab. Yep, we’re in Rochester, MN btw
Hey now. Don't leave out pharmaceutical companies! They work hard to get us hooked on meds and/or charge phenomenol prices for treatments that cost them a fraction to produce and market.
Honestly, most of the criticism I’ve heard about United specifically isn’t even about the price of the healthcare, but that people are paying for it and still not getting the coverage they need. United has a 33% denial rate, the highest of any insurer. Health insurance companies have a profit incentive to delay and deny requests for coverage, which is bad for their customers. It would be one thing to pay for the service and get the coverage, it’s another thing entirely to pay and still get denied the coverage for what you need, and if that weren’t the case people wouldn’t be as critical. The killer’s actions also indicate this was one of his primary qualms with United and the health insurance industry as a whole, “deny defend depose”, is a criticism not of the price point, but of the perverse tactics these companies employ to protect their bottom line over their customers.
The whole for profit healthcare industry is rotten from top to bottom. Corporate interests and private equity have hollowed it out and left nothing but greed. The entire business model is to extort people at their most vulnerable, to siphon money from the many to the few. Eventually a reckoning must be had, it's up to the industry how it happens. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
Single payer healthcare is the only answer. As long as stockholders are involved, it will never be solved. Also need to get money out of political campaigns. Even if a Congress member is willing to stand up to the lobbies, they risk losing their campaign due to the influx of money into their opponent's campaigns. Totally corrupt system.
My opinion: two wrong things don’t make a right AND one of them has done millions of more wrongs. My initial was, “well it’s bound to happen if we keep getting extorted with no relief.” This hasn’t faded away, which is interesting. The fight is up down now, not left right anymore. Keep an eye on both sides in DC right now, and know that nothing will change until we get the lobbyists and the corruption out of politics.
@@catherineburkehomes I’m holding out hope for some of our older old-school career republicans. Yes, we need new blood and fresh thinking, but no matter what’s become of this country the older members we may not agree with but behave fairly, and have a reverence and respect for the positions they hold. They have a respect for our founding documents, and our history. Unfortunately, in politics like life many voices are not as strong as others. Underneath all my anger, disgust, and a bit of terror is hope. Hope that the quiet, wiser among all our reps are paying attention and have learned like us that there are more important things than might and destroying political enemies. There is the American people who need their representatives.
@@Desiderata_Ooloi They are in the minority. You only need to see who in the House is getting committee chairs to know who holds the power now. Plus look at the MAGAs up for cabinet positions in the new administration. The only Republicans speaking up are those leaving office, with the exception of Cheney and Kinsinger who stepped upm after J6. The old GOP is gone.
I don't want to live in a world where the only time we can change things is after it causes suffering and death, but we are well past that chance. The next best time to change it is now.
I’m not going to lie I was watching his video on them cutting general anesthesia right before I heard about the shooting and thought “he’s taken it into his own hands 😳!”
My first reaction was literally just “Well I mean? It feels like this was bound to happen eventually right? It feels like it should have been an entirely expected occupational hazard that comes with being the ceo of United Healthcare”
The reason why we hesitate to confirm that "murder is still bad" is because THAT was not murder. When a nation gets attacked and is being killed, and soldiers go and kill the attackers, do we say those soldiers murder people? This is a war, only they're making a lot of effort to disguise that war as business, so that we don't enter the mode where decent people think it's acceptable to kill, because they consider it defense. Kind of like Putin kept insisting that there was no war in Ukraine, only a "special operation". That's what sociopaths do, they not only attack you but they also gaslight you and tell you it's all in your head, you're crazy, and overall just an awful person for not being nice to them.
I have to disagree on this fading into obscurity. As you pointed out, everyone is paying attention. No, violence is not a lasting solution but what do you call the continued systemic killing of thousands of us? It’s sure a solution for their profits, is that not violence? Delay, Deny, Defend, Depose, Deceased We’ll value your lives, when you value ours.
Good in theory, but all they have to do is make it harder for you to get to them, change their names, locations make their lives more private, and the greedy money will keep rolling in. Violence isn’t the answer because it doesn’t solve the root of the problem. CEO’s will just he replaced with other greedy people. Humans are greedy by nature. We all have a job, and we all want more money to live within our means. Only thing that would change it is by changing the laws of how health insurance works.
I think what he meant is to take this rare opportunity where the event ended up uniting people paying attention and raising their voices for a change that is urgently needed and long over due, because the people could have not seen a way to make a change to address these systematic issue until this event happened. “Violence is not a lasting solution” is the punchline for that - we need to take the opportunity from this violence to make the change to the system - it is a rare opportunity, and let’s not let this opportunity going to waste.
I just don’t see this fading in the same way. This emperor’s new clothes moment is spreading way beyond just healthcare. Also, I have in the last week witnessed, at 2 different health providers’ offices 3 separate people (none of which were me) say out loud (but no yelling) “Just stop. Don’t lie to me about…”
I couldn't feel less sorry for this CEO if I tried. Appreciate hearing where you're at with it, and obviously it couldn't have been you because you were busy being several different guys in your house. ETA: I know that he was actually doing surgery that morning, I follow the channel 😂👍
I think part of the reaction to the murder is caused by scolding from all the upper class types. "He might have done some scummy things but he has a FAMILY! STOP BEING MEAN!" All those people UHC defrauded, also had families but no one in the media or government is literally DEMANDING people to have sympathy for them. Shit we have people in government who openly support mass shooting deniers. But the minute the UHC CEO became living impaired, all those politicians who circle the wagons around school shooting deniers and call it "defending free speech" got REAL antsy. Hell, I remember when the Parkland school got shot up. Politicians and the media were trying to blame the students. Some conspiracy outlets were casting the shooting victims as the real villains. There was no mass coordinated effort to shut that bullshit down. There was no coordinated effort by the government and media to drum up sympathy for the Parkland victims. No one was shouting but the "BUT THE DEAD KIDS HAD FAMILIES!" Compare that to the CEO's death where sympathy for the dead CEO is currently being demanded.
I’ve been saying for a decade now that people were starting to get angry. And that if things didn’t change it would only be a matter of time before people felt hopeless enough to resort to violence. We as common American citizens have spent the past decade - hell, just look at the past 5 years since COVID - watching things steadily get harder and harder for us, and more and more it feels like our lives are worth even less than pawns on a chessboard… the common person working two jobs just to survive is angry, and they’re growing desperate. And the news media tries to tell me that I should be shocked? We tried voting. We tried protesting. We tried writing and calling our elected officials. We even tried screaming into the void when none of that worked. All we got in return was lip service and “thoughts and prayers” while our leadership gave more and more concessions to the faceless corporations that take more and more from us. They refused to listen. We were shown time and time again that our leadership does not care - that our problems do not matter to them. And now they are shocked, appalled, and disgusted that people are expressing support for a murder. And apparently the fast food worker who turned the shooter in isn’t even going to get the reward money? As I said before: people are growing desperate, and the past decade has shown to us that only the most extreme actions and stances receive any kind of attention. I truly hope that this is the event that finally gets the ball rolling for healthcare reform at least… but I’m not holding my breath. I honestly just DO NOT want things to continue to get worse and more violent, but I’m admittedly afraid that this event is just the beginning =(. Sorry for the rant.
The sad part is that UHC makes such huge contributions to politicians on both sides that probably nothing will be done unless the public outcry lasts and he's probably right. Next week, something else will happen and this will be forgotten just like the Floyd incident and the 2020 riots and all the changes that were going to come from that have faded.
I noticed that too. I looked up how much they donated - and they donated the same to both parties. That’s why both parties try to get us to argue about stupid culture crap - to distract us from the fact it’s a money distribution issue, not what damn bathroom someone pees in.
Why should anyone be upset about this murder? We are not allowed to have true anguish when our children are murdered by gun violence in the only country where it routinely happens. We aren’t allowed to be upset when we see the maternal mortality rate rise. If we are not permitted but must be “strong” and go to work and make rich people richer, then why on earth should we grieve this horrible man?
From the information available in the media that I have seen, given United Healthcare denial rate is 32% compared to 16% for the rest of the industry, then this means that the rich investors, board, directors, CEO and upper management must be responsible for 2045 DEATHS PER YEAR over industry average. Why is that not a crime? Sir Andrew Whitty CEO of United Healthcare Group Steven Hemsley Executive Chairman of the Board Brian Thompson CEO United Healthcare Ltd
Well spoken, doctor. While i haven't been victimized by UHC, I have had struggles with other insurers. So i absolutely agree that two things can be true: 1) murder is morally wrong and 2) UHC is a terrible company doing terrible things. Thompson may have been an intelligent, charming, and charismatic man who was nice to kids and pets, but he also made obscene amounts of money by leading UHC and setting its unethical policies. So while I have a lot of sympathy for his family, I have little sympathy for him. But that doesn't mean that I condone his murder.
As someone who has been dealing with insurance companies for a while and paid attention to politics, I wasn't excited. My first thought was the point outside of revenge? Is this actually going to change anything? I got a little hopeful with how both left and right were united so maybe a change could have bipartisan support. But I see the system churning. Focus wavering and politicians hewing and hawing. Don't ever forget why you're angry, don't let others forget, don't divid by party lines and actualy change the system.
One hilarious result of this was that at least one health insurance company almost completely stopped denying claims for a few days. Pharmacists and doctors were remarking how everything was suddenly getting processed at never before seen speeds.
Had a friend recently get denied for an MRI 6 months ago, told to do xrays (it was a knee injury) told to do other treatment. She'd torn a ligament, because she'd been on it for 5 months before getting the surgery they told her she'd done significant lasting damage. We had a discussion of corporate greed while she was in the room, and the other friends basically said there's nothing anyone can do about it, that it's overregulation that's to blame.
First: These ‘insurance’ companies DO NOT PROVIDE HEALTHCARE! We go to a doctor or a hospital for our care. Second: When these ‘insurance’ companies deny payment for a service THEY KNOWINGLY ATTEMPT TO SAVE MONEY! Third: These ‘insurance’ companies KNOW that some of their denials WILL LEAD TO INJURY AND DEATH. They simply don’t know which denial will do that. Fourth: When these ‘insurance’ companies deny 30% of claims the CEOs absolutely know that deaths are involved - that is PREMEDITATED MURDER. Fifth: A real insurance company is a company which contracts with citizens to provide payment for health care when it receives an appropriate claim FROM A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. A real insurance company collects from everyone who contracts with them and charges them based on an actuarial table of predicted need and takes the predicted profit. An insurance company is NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF DENYING PAYMENT!! Sixth: THESE ARE NOT INSURANCE COMPANIES - THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING INSURANCE. THEY ARE FRAUDULENTLY OPERATING AS ‘INSURANCE COMPANIES’.
What a class act. True empathy for all concerned, and not judging anyone as "right" and "wrong", despite not advocating for true vigilantiism, which definitely does NOT exact lasting change (as you can see by the health care companies scrambling to increase their security rather than engage in self-reflection). So tastefully done. Bravo.
I'm sorry his children will grow up knowing this is how their father died. I'm sorry they may one day realize their father was a horrible man who led a horrible company that, under his leadership, destroyed other human beings' lives for profit.
I remember my mom crying once because of the heavy burden on our family of medical and other bills because my dad, a meagerly paid post-WWII mechanical engineer, refused to accept kickbacks from contractors on million dollar jobs he had authority over. Somehow the bills were paid and my dad died decades later with his conscience in tact and with the respect and admiration of those contractors who had offered him bribes. Dad wasn’t perfect by any means, but the example he set was remarkable by today’s standards. I never needed a moment of therapy over what others thought of him.
Any prosecutors who have failed to bring to justice the true criminals in the health insurance industry or their lobbying recipient accomplices should recuse themselves from this case.
Regardless of the catalyst, we need to dialogue about US privatized/ for profit health insurance. I’ve worked in healthcare for years. People routinely avoid seeking treatment because they cannot risk bankruptcy and possible homelessness, they literally DIE because our hc system rations care for corp profit; high deductibles and denials are patient responsibility. Other developed, democratic countries have universal hc. Despite aging Boomers straining the system recently, most people in those countries love their hc system and have demonstrably better outcomes and greater longevity than the US.
The way I see it, the big problem with trying to say that the CEO’s murder is even a crime is that the best argument is that his death wasn’t something done through our justice system. But I don’t think anyone alive believes there isn’t blood on that CEO’s hands that wasn’t strangely and weirdly entirely legal. Like. Not even as an accident or as a byproduct of poor decision making. It was his business model to outpace someone’s life or to put them at risk of debt or death. Any attempt to say that his murder shouldn’t have happened only brings to light all the deaths that happened because of health care bureaucracy. When we weigh the death of one man versus all those who have died because of their business decisions it’s a no brainer. The trolley problem isn’t even a part of it. The bigger crime is pretending that CEOs are even still people, because when they make the decisions that they do knowing people will die… at that point I don’t think we should consider them human anymore. That’s not a Citizen that died, it was a monster.
Two wrongs may not make a right but this stuff can not be allowed to continue. The law only protects these guys and our government supports them so how else can their reign end? These guys will never see the inside of an unbiased courtroom. They will never see the inside of a prison cell. There will never be any socially acceptable justice for these sociopaths so how does society stop them?
They dont play by the same rules as we do. They really dont care about us. They care about power and money. Any lives hurt along the way are just statistics. They are politicians and the 1%. They'll gladly send us off to war to die in the millions. They'll gladly knowingly sell a harmful product and deny knowing. They'll glady deny your insurance claim for any reason and use an ai so we (the working class) can't humanize the system. Truthfully, what the hell ARE we supposed to do. Genuinely, the best we can get is like a Patch Adams. We haven't had nearly enough of people like that get the willpower and the means to make meaningful change. Most people are unfortunately trapped in the rat race of paycheck to paycheck. By being trapped, we ARE SUPPORTING the status quo, even if we dont like it. Spreading awareness won't change a damn thing. We all know the system is bad.
I respect your optimism so much, thinking this is an opportunity that we "shouldn't waste" and create a change. Sadly the real world doesn't work like that, but it is nice to dream that change will come. Ok, change will come, but it will be for the worst, for it is the natural direction humanity has gone for since it's inception.
My mother in law's take was "why did he have to ruin his life by committing such a serious crime? He'll go to prison, y'know?!" To which everyone simultaneously responded "his life was already ruined"
I don't think Luigi was that in tune with the political zeitgeist. I think he just understood this situation is borked and IDed someone actually responsible. Our country legally murders people all the time and doesn't bat an eye. So I for one saw nothing
I saw man taking.action for what he believed in, and the issue now has massive international attention. Will it make a difference? No. But I respect him for it.
However, the masses were quite disappointed when only the names and ideologies that oppressed them changed. Louis XVI was followed by a murderous council government and finally an emperor/dictator, and the tsarist regime was replaced by Bolshevik terror.
While many things happen that draw focus away from a problem, like school "issues". Those are forgotten sometimes within hours. But. Insurance denials, mismanagement, fraud... That happens daily and directly affects more people's lives. It's not leaving anyone's attention the way other things do because it affects EVERYONE who pays premiums, deductibles, co-pays... And it's going to get worse. Wait until the word "pre-existing" starts getting tossed around again.
I don't know if the 2024 election will be the last free and fair one we have in this country - but I do know that regardless, the change starts with the working class realizing that they have more in common with their neighbors - whether they have blue hair or a red hat - than any of us do with Brian Thompson, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, or Nancy Pelosi.
What I gave yet to hear anyone say is that what was done was a form of protest. People have been protesting this company's actions for some time, but it has fallen on deaf ears. Violent protest is not the way to get lasting change, but as you said, people are listening now; people are paying attention now. The conversation wasn't going to happen until someone got LOUD. So let's have the conversation.
I worked for a company that did work for UnitedHealthcare. They tried to deny coverage for a surgery I needed and I essentially told both UHC and my then-employer that if I had to quit my job just to sue my employer's client, I would. They reversed the decision but most people wouldn't have had the leverage I did.
Note that the same person who made the “murder is wrong” rule (Exodus 20:13) also made the Exodus 21:14 rule that required the UHC CEO to be cut off (for conspiring to murder tens of thousands of Americans via denials of healthcare).
I love the media spectacle too. It's like they really want to drive home that, at every level of law enforcement, the murder of a nobleman is a more heinous crime than any amount of death and suffering inflicted on the peasantry.
I was tempted to say something on a news report about hoping that Jimothy was miles away in a gym somewhere getting a spot from Jonathan as he did his bench press, and genuinely thought, "... You know what? Maybe not, Dr. Glauck is probably already gonna be feeling the heat, especially with the way the UA-cam algorithm keeps bringing his past skits about United to my front page ..." and stayed my hand.
One family devastated: a tragedy.
a million families devastated: a statistic
No.
A million families devastated: a business.
A statistic that gets the killer his own private jet and yacht.
@@Cre80sMillions of families devastated: Anti-Communist Pro-Freedom American For-Profit Healthcare 🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks i need this
One CEO gone:
My mom was one of Brian Thompson's many, many victims. He delayed or denied her treatment over, and over, and over again until she died from lung cancer. She lived her life as healthily as she could afford. She didn't smoke, lived a clean life. Got lung cancer anyway. Brian was like "naaaaah, I want another mansion, fuck your future"
She was my ONLY parent, and I was her ONLY child. I had a newborn at the time. I was a caregiver with a baby on my breast. She may not have beaten the cancer in the end, but she wouldn't have had to wait two fucking years for treatment....by the time it had progressed to fourth stage. Her doctor had said, at the beginning, she had a fighting chance. It wasn't 4th stage yet.
A week after she died my daughter learned to walk. She deserved to see that. She was only 68 and only barely made it to her birthday. Her body fell apart, more or less. I blame him and everyone like him that created systems that killed patients rather than saved them. I wouldn't have felt like it was half murder if they hadn't tried so hard not to treat her with the money she gave them.
Then Brian Thompson was shot. A lot of PTSD was triggered and not because of Luigi. Phantom sights, smells...the ghosts of all that came back in this invisible wave that knocked the breath out of my lungs. I didn't know this feeling: Closure. It's awful that it took a murder to give me that. I never would have asked for it...but it did something I could never do. I feel GRATFUL to him as much as I struggle to reconcile myself to that feeling. I almost feel like it was a serial killer taken down and my mom was one of the victims.
I don't believe in hell, but if by chance one exists, I hope he's in the hell version of ER waiting for treatment for his fatal wounds that will ultimately be ignored over and over. It's only fair.
I’m sorry for your loss. Closure. Yes. The beginning of closure.
What a sad story.I'm so sorry you lost your mom so young. What a crime. I'm glad you feel some closure, and your gratitude to Luigi makes perfect sense...your seeing Thompson as a serial killer and your mom as one of his victims, yeah. Makes every kind of sense. I too hope Thompson has to suffer for all the suffering he caused.
My heart is with you, Sister.
Mr Thompson reaped what he sowed. End of Story. He was directly implicated in your mother's death.
There is no way to argue with that, nor would I want to 🫂
I am so sorry that your Mum was taken from you like that 🫂💜🫂
Condolences for the loss of your mother. I'm so glad you are finding healing. It seems many in this country are.
Have a slightly different story which resulted in me also having PTSD. My story starts with Stalin. When BT was neutralized, it also gave me a little sense of closure because Stalin had been neutralized when he just started his extermination lists, a keen to BT's tenure at UHC, most likely my great-grandfather would not have been on that list just like your mother would not have been on BT's list. It has provided some closure as well. I understand you. I hope you feel better and heal further. ❤❤❤
My stance on it is "I feel as bad for him as he did for all the people who suffered and died because of his companies policies".
THIS...
Same!
This is exactly what I say too.
The policies he approved
It’s called, keeping the same energy 😂
United Health Care denied my treatment for atypical presentation of Guillain-Barre Syndrome so I'm now permanently disabled. I WAS A UNITED HEALTH CARE EMPLOYEE. Lost my job. Had to give up my apartment. Now I live in a Campervan with my cat....but not down by the river. I rent a driveway for a safe place to park.
Just unbelievable all of their own employees who get shafted too!
@@Xianne027 And it's all the worse because the syndrome could be completely cured if treatment was started in time. And the treatment isn't even particularly expensive - if nobody artificially increases the costs.
@@Xianne027 the only people they care about the c suite and the shareholders. They hate the peasants.
I am so sorry.
The US is the only first world country where something this awful can happen to someone. This should never be allowed. Ever. Our country is so obsessed over being rich and how much the poor people can "give back to society" that we forgot that all humans deserve basic decency. And if you are born or became disabled, you are treated like you committed the worse crime ever. Think about, you are literally put before a judge and need lawyers if you need to get on the tiny little bit of disability you can get here. And then your case is auto-denied most of the time. And then it's a whole traumatic process.
One is being charged for terrorism and the other should be charged for genocide.
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None are afraid of Luigi but unethical CEOs. So it's not terrorism in my opinion.
It's like calling Batman a terrorist.
@@irrichman but you see now, CEOs are in charge of mainstream corpo propagand... I mean news. So of course if you look at all the news websites like CNN, FOX, ABC etc. you're gunna see it spun as he's a terrorist. Plus the parasi.. I mean people who are prosecuting him are indicting him with terrorism also.
Luigi is genius!
You are excusing a genocide company that is luterally killing your population.
There is no such practice even in Russia!
Dylann Roof was not changed with terrorism after shooting up a Black church and killing nine people.
Why is this guy getting that charge added to second degree murder?
"Let's not let it go to waste;" thank you! This is where I'm sitting at with it as well. If people are going to say his murder was tragic, then let's use that energy to make some meaningful, /positive/ changes in the world of healthcare so people DON'T have to resort to murder just to get some attention on the severe inequities within the current system.
Exactly, the reason people feel this was justice is because our law makers are making no moves to crack down on these monsters themselves. If the government can't provide a sense of justice, what else can you expect people to do?
Not the improvement we wanted but still an improvement.
I like his take. We need to keep up this same energy.
It's not murder, it's self defense. The difference is in the cause, even if the effect is the same.
Healthcare has the option to change and make self defense unnecessary.
OK, so what do you propose we do? This new government is going to be controlled even more by lobbyists for the ultra-rich who do not give a dam about others' well-being and health. And the American people voted for this!! the same people who are outraged at corporate and healthcare insurance's greed.
I admit that my first response was "it took this long?" Medical bankruptcy has driven people to suicide or into homelessness. It is less than surprising that the issues around medical care would lead to murder.
I hope his family comes through their personal tragedy intact. I also hope _United Healthcare_ doesn't deny them the therapy they will need.
I feel bad for his kids. Come to think of it, I wonder what it is like for them to hear the numbers around the death and illness that their dad let continue. Their dad let so many people die, slowly or quickly. What is it like to hear the whole country cheer for your dad's death? How does a young person contend with this? Does it change how they see him, their mother, and themselves?
@@andrew9360 to be fair, from what I have heard the wife was estranged and the kids didn't like their father already.
Medical Bankruptcy is much better than those European Commie Healthcare. America No.1 🦅🦅🇺🇲🇺🇸
@@andrew9360
They probably sleep perfectly fine in their luxury gold framed feather downe beds in their 20 million dollar mansion, under their ruby encrusted heated blankets.
In fact, they just inhereted a fortune, so maybe they sleep even better?
Oh, they will be fine. Big trust fund babies. They were raised by nannies anyways.
Class warfare is a predictable historic pattern. One doesn't need to condone or condemn in order to simply notice the cause and effect.
"Violence is the language of the unheard."--MLK
Yes I know the whole victim mentality is unhelpful and sometimes get out of hand, but what I find the most incredible is still the fact that the corporates together with the post-war government of the United States somehow managed to do the extreme opposite with its people. They instilled in the American people such a deep believe in capitalism to a point where many American lower class always thought of themselves as "millionaires in waiting" as opposed to seeing the systematic oppression and exploitation of THEMSELVES by the rich.
Someone already joked that, considering how many people in the US have a motive, his death might as well be ruled "natural causes"
I knew that this was different when it first happened and I told my aunt. She's in her 70's, is the very definition of a sweet old lady, and has been living with rheumatoid arthritis her entire adult life. All she had to say was "so it's come to this." Damn.
This is where we are at. We've tried voting. We've tried peacefully protesting. What's supposed to be next on the list?
Everyone on Medicare has a more mild reaction because, despite the attacks to privatize it, so far it is still run efficiently by government.
@@Confron7a7ion7The French Revolution 2.0
@@Confron7a7ion7you(USA) didn't try voting. The fact that voter turn out was less than 2020 proves some thing is terribly wrong in your country
I don't care how qualified Harris was, but the fact Americans deliberately chose the worst candidate in the history of the world shows....well, lets just say its sad
My nana said "I'm surprised it took this long".
There are also two waves of reaction. There was the initial reaction where people were indifferent to it when they were told they had to be devastated by it and then there was a second reaction to being scolded for not being devastated by it as if we were supposed to be more affected by the shooting, then all the death and destruction of our own family and friends.
I was indifferent and then they started finger wagging. That's when I got pissed😂
These clueless people who have never had to deal with the American healthcare Mafia scolding all of its victims and trying to make this out to be the most devastating and horrendous crime of the century in response to our indifference made us all much more irritated and loud😂
The most recent speech from the New York DA made my blood boil. They wagged their finger so hard I thought it might fly off.
The new "Gilded Age" elite responded the same as the 1st. "Gilded Age" people did.
Wow, original comment here is so relatable it’s getting a response from me! Laughable (as long as you aren’t me) bc I am disabled by RA, had Humana when my stroke hit in 2012, lost use of left arm until I finally, in my dazed sense, realized my only survival would be a change in insurance. Probably already guessed I went with UHC lol. Fortunately, I got a policy where I could see a specialist without referral, ENT specialist in network, who finally used her stethoscope, sent me to a good Vascular Surgeon who did emergency bypass surgery on my L. Carotid Arty, relieving pressure on left arm from 100% blocked artery in September 2017. Took me awhile to realize I am now one of the “invisible disposable people” as a disabled hard working taxpayer, but blood flow WAS restored to my brain, for what it’s worth. Pardon typos bc I can’t see well & the story is much longer, but the moral to it? Be very careful IF you are a working class, tax paying American. I guess enough said bc I know my time is short. I’m only 63, but realize my generation has allowed this, by becoming workaholics with an aim to survive. Irony is cruel but hopefully someone else learns from my mistakes.
Arrest war criminals
Nobles telling peasants they should be sad for the tyrannical baron but not at their plague ridden neighbors.
Story as old as history.
UHC trued to deny me Open heart surgery while I was experiencing a massive heart attack. So the ER did a angiogram to unblock the heart and loaded me into an ambulance tbbe transported 32 miles away to a hospital in network where they had to do the open Heart surgery because i wasn't improving. UHC denied responsibility for both hospitals and both ambulance rides. Appealed twice. Said fuck it. And im 350k in debt in heart failure. Aint life awesome. Yeah zero empathy for the CEO of death
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What it will take is some terminally ill people to deal to insurance CEOs. I am old and if I had terminal say cancer but still mobile, that would appeal to me.
@@howardsimpson489 Basically Breaking Bad but Walt goes on a targeted campaign against the industry instead of making meth
I had united healthcare insurance for years. They didn't actually deny many claims, but for some reason whenever the doctors would go to submit a claim, it would show that my coverage had terminated, so they wouldn't file the claim. Then I'd have to call the doctor and confirm that the coverage was still in effect, and have them submit the claim. So even though they denied very few of my claims, the net effect was that claims were delayed, and occasionally I'd have to end up paying out of pocket because it would take too long to get the claim in and they'd deny it because it wasnt filed in a timely manner.
This is part of the scam. YOU as the patient don’t see as many claim and auth denials because they get denied as physician responsibility. If the patient doesn’t know, the patient is happy. UHC is the biggest enemy in our practice.
They deny more than twice the industry standard, and force their employees to use an AI algorithm that has been proven both in house and by independent doctors to have a roughly 90% error rate for denials. The industry standard for claims rejections is ~16%, which is already insane. Who in their right mind would believe that 16% of people using health insurance are trying to commit fraud - the only morally justifiable reason to deny coverage; let alone the ~32% that UHC denies?
All strategic.
delay, deny, defend
Same shit with us bro, it’s all a scam.
The sheer number of commenters who are/were UHC employees who claim to have been denied coverage by UHC is stunning.
Really? I don’t know why. If your job is to deny as many claims as possible how would you expect anything other than to be denied when you try to use the same thing
Probably the most clear cut example of real life to internet needed change happening in real time.
I worked on their Medicare and Medicaid side for years. Until my wife got a different job my son and I had to be on their insurance.
It was a fucking terrible plan and it showed they didn’t care about their own employees and sure as hell didn’t care about others either.
I asked a young person why there was such celebration over the assassination of a man. The answer was tragic. “You”, not you, but adults are letting us die in school shootings. Adults don’t care whether us kids die; why should we care about one rich man?” The next day the Wisconsin school shooting took place and I I learned there had been well over 300 school shootings so far this year. What have we done? Our young people are becoming numb to violence.
Thank you,you nailed it.
And the sure put a lot of police time into one murder in NYC. No one else has gotten that much attention as a murderer since the Boston Marathon bombings.
It's not numbness. No one would have cried if they murdered murdered Hitler. I don't see a difference.
Already are
And its also in church, in the supermarket, in traffic, at parades, in clubs, in parking lots.. there is no safe place in public.
When I told my friends back home in Europe that somebody got shot in my supermarket because someone else wanted to steal something, they were shocked.
My brain keeps forgetting and remembering everytime I pass by the market. And that is just of hundreds of violent crimes and murders that happened since I moved here during the pandemic
Why do I suspect that in a cruel and bitter twist of irony, many of those children will have their health insurance claims denied?
I was rushed to an out of network hospital after suffering a dissected carotid artery and a stroke. United Healthcare denied my claim in its entirety. Luigi Mangione channeled the rage and despair of millions who have been abused, injured, and killed by health insurance companies.
It can be said that violence *did* effect a lasting change during the French Revolution, ending the monarchy, but yeah.
All the media pundits and politicians loudly proclaiming 'Violence is NEVER the answer, violence is NEVER appropriate!'.... I sit there hearing them and I'm like... emmer-effer's, do you know *anything* about history? About how worker rights came to exist in this country? That we, you know, participated in WWII and helped defeat the Axis? Well, I guess we should have stayed out of WWII then since violence is never appropriate. Like come on, no one hearing you is *that* dumb, no matter how much effort is put into sabotaging public education.
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Except the monarchy came back for a bit after that whole Napoleon business, and France is about to be on its sixth Republic.
It’s a true ism for a reason that violence begets more violence.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 Well, yeah, there's that.
Then they named Napoleon emperor.
Health insurance should not be for profit or tied to your employment.
Blame the red scare of the 50s for this
Bingo
Privatized businesses are great for small or material businesses. But for big, necessary services? No. They’re betting against you in favour of profits. It won’t end well.
What if, WHAT IF healthcare was just given, as a right for being a citizen, along with basic housing and food and good quality education? In a world where amazon can deliver anything you want in a day and AI can spew waffle on any topic, you rekon we can spare some beans and rice and a studio apartment for the people who need it?
This event has caused me to check the comments way more often because its finally nice to see Im not alone in being oppressed by this system.
True. It’s good we’re all now talking about this. It has been unspoken for too long. And that’s what the oligarchs wanted - for everyone to keep quiet about what was happening to them individually so that we wouldn’t notice they were doing the same to all of us.
Sure. That doc on the stage has like millions of followers and every comment here has no to just few likes. Not bringing bad news to you but with this enthusiasm we are going backwards
My dad was driven to bankruptcy in the 70s due to mom's medical bills. That's one of the reasons why I live in Canada now. This week I've learned that in quebec they're starting private Fee-for-service clinics. rot is setting in.
I thought that private clinics had been around Canada for a while. I've seen videos from Canadians, especially living in remote areas, have had to go to a private clinic and pay out of pocket because they can't get the care they need from the health system.
Vote/stand against private health care if you can!! Let those for-profit clinics go bankrupt! Don't let them fool your loved ones!
It's been a thing for years...
@@drunkAFgay You can't pay out of pocket for the care you need. It's illegal. However, you might have to go to the U.S. and pay out of pocket down there. You also might find in a remote area that the care you need is not available to you so you have to get referred to somewhere where the care is available. Even in non-remote areas where there is a medical school, a nursing school, a school that trains pysiotherapists and hospitals that train ultra sound technicians and MRI techs and X-ray techs like Kingston, Ontario, there are patients that have to travel to remoter locations like Smith Falls, an hour away or Napanee or Belleville to get hip replacement surgery or knee replacement surgery. It's still free, but how many people without a vehicle or someone to drive them cannot get that speedy service in these places an hour or more's drive away? We also lack a public pharmacare plan--there are catastrophic plans available though. Some people have private EHB plans as well. I'm amazed at how many bills my husband and I, both elderly, have to send off to our EHB plan which wouldn't be available to everyone, by the way. We have private blood labs, private foot care clinics, private MRI and ultrasound and X-ray clinics, private medical clinics, etc., but we just give the facility our OHIP card and it picks up the tab. Services and equipment that is medically necessary can be denied though. We could do better in Ontario.
people will go to the private clinic if they can't get their needs met by the "universal" healthcare
My stance is “We sure don’t look like a stable society right now”
Stable societies have hem and haw. Not just haw haw haw.
right now?, madcap?
I paid $20,000 because I went into preterm labor, and needed a c section. Once baby was born, I paid $300 a week for lifesaving medicine as newborn couldn't absorb nutrients, claim was denied as unnecessary. And I was then working as an EMPLOYEE of UnitedHealth, a frontline worker! With UnitedHealthDon'tCare insurance. So do I feel bad for that CEO? DID HE FEEL BAD FOR MY FAILING TO THRIVE BABY?
Side note: The alleged shooter is HOT 🔥 and I don't think he is the real shooter. Something smells fishy in Brooklyn. So, again, where was Jonathan? 😅🤣🤣
where was Jonathan! or Jimothy, Even Bill! (Also, i hope your baby is recovering well)
@asmrtina6966 By the grace of God, baby survived and is now telling stories and eating large bowls of Mac n cheese 🙌😆
@asmrtina6966 As a single mother, I've since had to work two jobs to pay for those significant financial setbacks, and still catching me up. And Ben Shapiro wants me to shed tears for a man who used AI to make me a number. Well, CEO, you're just a number too.
Jonathan had arranged to meet some dude in McDonald's, but had to cancel at the last minute, for some reason...
That just takes the cake!! 😮
That even one of their own employees was treated so inhumane and you and your baby's lives put at risk!
1:10 two main reactions I saw on social media were
- "I'm sorry but my condolences are not covered by the plan"
- "hey, luigi couldn't possibly kill anyone, on Dec 4 he was with me playing Minecraft from 6am to 6 pm"
So I'm not sure about the people who were getting mad 😂
Yep. My stance on it is "I feel as bad for him as he did for all the people who suffered and died because of his companies policies".
I told people those hoodie eyebrows BELONG to Ben. How come he's not in prison instead?
@anders6326 Ben who?
CEOs and media owned by CEOs putting pundits out there seem to be the most angry and upset about it
folks getting mad were mostly on Linkedin, where 99% of reactions are professional virtue-signaling.
I knew a guy that worked for the claims processing company writing the machine learning code. Needless to say, he had trouble sleeping and had to go into rehab. Yep, we’re in Rochester, MN btw
And we DO all realize that medical costs are as high as they are because of insurance companies taking their cut, right? Just making sure.
Hey now. Don't leave out pharmaceutical companies! They work hard to get us hooked on meds and/or charge phenomenol prices for treatments that cost them a fraction to produce and market.
Honestly, most of the criticism I’ve heard about United specifically isn’t even about the price of the healthcare, but that people are paying for it and still not getting the coverage they need. United has a 33% denial rate, the highest of any insurer. Health insurance companies have a profit incentive to delay and deny requests for coverage, which is bad for their customers. It would be one thing to pay for the service and get the coverage, it’s another thing entirely to pay and still get denied the coverage for what you need, and if that weren’t the case people wouldn’t be as critical. The killer’s actions also indicate this was one of his primary qualms with United and the health insurance industry as a whole, “deny defend depose”, is a criticism not of the price point, but of the perverse tactics these companies employ to protect their bottom line over their customers.
The whole for profit healthcare industry is rotten from top to bottom. Corporate interests and private equity have hollowed it out and left nothing but greed. The entire business model is to extort people at their most vulnerable, to siphon money from the many to the few. Eventually a reckoning must be had, it's up to the industry how it happens. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
@@AludraEltaninAltair Welcome RFK Jr., then...
Did you watch Adam Ruins everything on health insurance?
“Let’s not let it go to waste.” Amen!
Single payer healthcare is the only answer. As long as stockholders are involved, it will never be solved. Also need to get money out of political campaigns. Even if a Congress member is willing to stand up to the lobbies, they risk losing their campaign due to the influx of money into their opponent's campaigns. Totally corrupt system.
I would disagree that single payer is the only solution, other countries have hybrid systems, and they generally work better.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 We need to get into that ballpark. Right now we aren't even in the park.
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Ño .. It's not
@@allthenewsordeath5772no other OECD country has legalized profiting off the death of its citizens
My opinion: two wrong things don’t make a right AND one of them has done millions of more wrongs. My initial was, “well it’s bound to happen if we keep getting extorted with no relief.” This hasn’t faded away, which is interesting. The fight is up down now, not left right anymore. Keep an eye on both sides in DC right now, and know that nothing will change until we get the lobbyists and the corruption out of politics.
I'm looking forward to people taking action on some real change. *Wink wink nudge nudge
@@catherineburkehomes I’m holding out hope for some of our older old-school career republicans. Yes, we need new blood and fresh thinking, but no matter what’s become of this country the older members we may not agree with but behave fairly, and have a reverence and respect for the positions they hold. They have a respect for our founding documents, and our history. Unfortunately, in politics like life many voices are not as strong as others. Underneath all my anger, disgust, and a bit of terror is hope. Hope that the quiet, wiser among all our reps are paying attention and have learned like us that there are more important things than might and destroying political enemies. There is the American people who need their representatives.
It would be interesting to know which politicians are stockholders in any insurance corp.
two wrongs doesn't make a right. But one right does make a right
@@Desiderata_Ooloi They are in the minority. You only need to see who in the House is getting committee chairs to know who holds the power now. Plus look at the MAGAs up for cabinet positions in the new administration. The only Republicans speaking up are those leaving office, with the exception of Cheney and Kinsinger who stepped upm after J6. The old GOP is gone.
I don't want to live in a world where the only time we can change things is after it causes suffering and death, but we are well past that chance. The next best time to change it is now.
I'm like 80% certain this is his way of saying, "Guys, I can't legally and verbally support terrorism, but, well, y'know, EVERY opinion is valid."
"It wasn't me!" made me almost spit my drink.
UHC: "Just an FYI, drink-spitting is considered a preexisting condition."
@@melancholymoshpit LOL!
I’m not going to lie I was watching his video on them cutting general anesthesia right before I heard about the shooting and thought “he’s taken it into his own hands 😳!”
My first reaction was literally just
“Well I mean? It feels like this was bound to happen eventually right? It feels like it should have been an entirely expected occupational hazard that comes with being the ceo of United Healthcare”
The reason why we hesitate to confirm that "murder is still bad" is because THAT was not murder. When a nation gets attacked and is being killed, and soldiers go and kill the attackers, do we say those soldiers murder people?
This is a war, only they're making a lot of effort to disguise that war as business, so that we don't enter the mode where decent people think it's acceptable to kill, because they consider it defense.
Kind of like Putin kept insisting that there was no war in Ukraine, only a "special operation". That's what sociopaths do, they not only attack you but they also gaslight you and tell you it's all in your head, you're crazy, and overall just an awful person for not being nice to them.
Yes, this is war.
Agreed. The media people saying they want for the suspect to be harmed in prison are being hypocritical.
I remember hearing that somewhere and wondering if they could be any more stupid. Who do they think is in prison? Other CEOs and millionaires?
@@AlloftheGoodNamesAreTakengood question…
Violence itself is not a lasting change, but it’s a hell of a catalyst for it
Well said.
The Denial Heard Around the World
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"Everyone's paying attention"
Given the previous record of the incoming administration, I'm not counting on that having any lasting effect
You can only push people so long before they push back.
lol Tell me how long US Citizens have accepted portraits of slavers as US National currency.
The billionaires are very good at distracting people though.
I have to disagree on this fading into obscurity. As you pointed out, everyone is paying attention. No, violence is not a lasting solution but what do you call the continued systemic killing of thousands of us? It’s sure a solution for their profits, is that not violence? Delay, Deny, Defend, Depose, Deceased
We’ll value your lives, when you value ours.
Amen. To paraphrase the Hunger Games, if we burn, they burn with us!
Good in theory, but all they have to do is make it harder for you to get to them, change their names, locations make their lives more private, and the greedy money will keep rolling in. Violence isn’t the answer because it doesn’t solve the root of the problem. CEO’s will just he replaced with other greedy people. Humans are greedy by nature. We all have a job, and we all want more money to live within our means. Only thing that would change it is by changing the laws of how health insurance works.
I think what he meant is to take this rare opportunity where the event ended up uniting people paying attention and raising their voices for a change that is urgently needed and long over due, because the people could have not seen a way to make a change to address these systematic issue until this event happened. “Violence is not a lasting solution” is the punchline for that - we need to take the opportunity from this violence to make the change to the system - it is a rare opportunity, and let’s not let this opportunity going to waste.
The momentum will fade if nothing happens for a while.. people are so easily distracted.
I just don’t see this fading in the same way. This emperor’s new clothes moment is spreading way beyond just healthcare. Also, I have in the last week witnessed, at 2 different health providers’ offices 3 separate people (none of which were me) say out loud (but no yelling) “Just stop. Don’t lie to me about…”
I couldn't feel less sorry for this CEO if I tried. Appreciate hearing where you're at with it, and obviously it couldn't have been you because you were busy being several different guys in your house.
ETA: I know that he was actually doing surgery that morning, I follow the channel 😂👍
"Jimothy!" "Yeah Boss?"
"Hey insurance-bro!"
ETA?
@averywhitaker3513 edit to add :)
@@MossyBear ty!
I think part of the reaction to the murder is caused by scolding from all the upper class types.
"He might have done some scummy things but he has a FAMILY! STOP BEING MEAN!"
All those people UHC defrauded, also had families but no one in the media or government is literally DEMANDING people to have sympathy for them.
Shit we have people in government who openly support mass shooting deniers. But the minute the UHC CEO became living impaired, all those politicians who circle the wagons around school shooting deniers and call it "defending free speech" got REAL antsy.
Hell, I remember when the Parkland school got shot up. Politicians and the media were trying to blame the students. Some conspiracy outlets were casting the shooting victims as the real villains.
There was no mass coordinated effort to shut that bullshit down. There was no coordinated effort by the government and media to drum up sympathy for the Parkland victims. No one was shouting but the "BUT THE DEAD KIDS HAD FAMILIES!"
Compare that to the CEO's death where sympathy for the dead CEO is currently being demanded.
He’s exactly right. Now that everyone’s paying attention, let’s get something meaningful done.
I’ve been saying for a decade now that people were starting to get angry. And that if things didn’t change it would only be a matter of time before people felt hopeless enough to resort to violence.
We as common American citizens have spent the past decade - hell, just look at the past 5 years since COVID - watching things steadily get harder and harder for us, and more and more it feels like our lives are worth even less than pawns on a chessboard… the common person working two jobs just to survive is angry, and they’re growing desperate. And the news media tries to tell me that I should be shocked?
We tried voting. We tried protesting. We tried writing and calling our elected officials. We even tried screaming into the void when none of that worked. All we got in return was lip service and “thoughts and prayers” while our leadership gave more and more concessions to the faceless corporations that take more and more from us. They refused to listen.
We were shown time and time again that our leadership does not care - that our problems do not matter to them. And now they are shocked, appalled, and disgusted that people are expressing support for a murder. And apparently the fast food worker who turned the shooter in isn’t even going to get the reward money? As I said before: people are growing desperate, and the past decade has shown to us that only the most extreme actions and stances receive any kind of attention. I truly hope that this is the event that finally gets the ball rolling for healthcare reform at least… but I’m not holding my breath. I honestly just DO NOT want things to continue to get worse and more violent, but I’m admittedly afraid that this event is just the beginning =(.
Sorry for the rant.
I feel you, every word
Glaucomflecken is the first people raise the United healthcare to the public as my knowledge.
1:17 It didn’t surprise me because I’m not disconnected from reality. Luigi is a freaking hero.
The sad part is that UHC makes such huge contributions to politicians on both sides that probably nothing will be done unless the public outcry lasts and he's probably right. Next week, something else will happen and this will be forgotten just like the Floyd incident and the 2020 riots and all the changes that were going to come from that have faded.
I noticed that too. I looked up how much they donated - and they donated the same to both parties. That’s why both parties try to get us to argue about stupid culture crap - to distract us from the fact it’s a money distribution issue, not what damn bathroom someone pees in.
Drones in New Jersey “happened.” I mean, they aren’t even trying to hide the fact they are distracting people. MSM sucks.
Why should anyone be upset about this murder? We are not allowed to have true anguish when our children are murdered by gun violence in the only country where it routinely happens. We aren’t allowed to be upset when we see the maternal mortality rate rise. If we are not permitted but must be “strong” and go to work and make rich people richer, then why on earth should we grieve this horrible man?
My mom after the news, to me, a doctor: “have you heard about how bad this United is?” Yes mom yes I did.
"Everybody's paying attention." It's called "the propaganda of the deed". And it's next week, and people haven't forgotten.
i did not know Dr G also did stand-up comedy in addition to his UA-cam sketches (and obviously, the ophthalmology job IRL)
From the information available in the media that I have seen, given United Healthcare denial rate is 32% compared to 16% for the rest of the industry, then this means that the rich investors, board, directors, CEO and upper management must be responsible for 2045 DEATHS PER YEAR over industry average.
Why is that not a crime?
Sir Andrew Whitty CEO of United Healthcare Group
Steven Hemsley Executive Chairman of the Board
Brian Thompson CEO United Healthcare Ltd
sunlight is best disenfectact.
Well spoken, doctor. While i haven't been victimized by UHC, I have had struggles with other insurers. So i absolutely agree that two things can be true: 1) murder is morally wrong and 2) UHC is a terrible company doing terrible things. Thompson may have been an intelligent, charming, and charismatic man who was nice to kids and pets, but he also made obscene amounts of money by leading UHC and setting its unethical policies. So while I have a lot of sympathy for his family, I have little sympathy for him. But that doesn't mean that I condone his murder.
'violence doesn't make permanent change'
French people: hold my champagne
The longest lasting empire in French history came about after the French Revolution, not before
As someone who has been dealing with insurance companies for a while and paid attention to politics, I wasn't excited. My first thought was the point outside of revenge? Is this actually going to change anything? I got a little hopeful with how both left and right were united so maybe a change could have bipartisan support. But I see the system churning. Focus wavering and politicians hewing and hawing. Don't ever forget why you're angry, don't let others forget, don't divid by party lines and actualy change the system.
Sadly, I am already seeing people revert back to party line division. It's stupid.
@@troybaxter let the masses fight amongst one another so that they don't fight me
Let the masses fight amongst one another so that they don't fight me
One hilarious result of this was that at least one health insurance company almost completely stopped denying claims for a few days. Pharmacists and doctors were remarking how everything was suddenly getting processed at never before seen speeds.
Had a friend recently get denied for an MRI 6 months ago, told to do xrays (it was a knee injury) told to do other treatment. She'd torn a ligament, because she'd been on it for 5 months before getting the surgery they told her she'd done significant lasting damage. We had a discussion of corporate greed while she was in the room, and the other friends basically said there's nothing anyone can do about it, that it's overregulation that's to blame.
I'd say it's more LACK of regulation that's to blame...and sadly, your friend is one of millions if not billions.
First: These ‘insurance’ companies DO NOT PROVIDE HEALTHCARE! We go to a doctor or a hospital for our care. Second: When these ‘insurance’ companies deny payment for a service THEY KNOWINGLY ATTEMPT TO SAVE MONEY! Third: These ‘insurance’ companies KNOW that some of their denials WILL LEAD TO INJURY AND DEATH. They simply don’t know which denial will do that. Fourth: When these ‘insurance’ companies deny 30% of claims the CEOs absolutely know that deaths are involved - that is PREMEDITATED MURDER. Fifth: A real insurance company is a company which contracts with citizens to provide payment for health care when it receives an appropriate claim FROM A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. A real insurance company collects from everyone who contracts with them and charges them based on an actuarial table of predicted need and takes the predicted profit. An insurance company is NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF DENYING PAYMENT!! Sixth: THESE ARE NOT INSURANCE COMPANIES - THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING INSURANCE. THEY ARE FRAUDULENTLY OPERATING AS ‘INSURANCE COMPANIES’.
What a class act. True empathy for all concerned, and not judging anyone as "right" and "wrong", despite not advocating for true vigilantiism, which definitely does NOT exact lasting change (as you can see by the health care companies scrambling to increase their security rather than engage in self-reflection).
So tastefully done. Bravo.
I'm sorry his children will grow up knowing this is how their father died. I'm sorry they may one day realize their father was a horrible man who led a horrible company that, under his leadership, destroyed other human beings' lives for profit.
They should already know. They are aged 16 and 19 and therefore old enough to understand why people think their father was a horrible man.
I remember my mom crying once because of the heavy burden on our family of medical and other bills because my dad, a meagerly paid post-WWII mechanical engineer, refused to accept kickbacks from contractors on million dollar jobs he had authority over. Somehow the bills were paid and my dad died decades later with his conscience in tact and with the respect and admiration of those contractors who had offered him bribes. Dad wasn’t perfect by any means, but the example he set was remarkable by today’s standards. I never needed a moment of therapy over what others thought of him.
4:28 pretty spot on foreshadowing
Thanks!
I'm appreciative of the whole 4:58 spoken here.
Same here. He echoed my own thoughts on this.
Nullify the Jury!
Lol, not quite what the phrase means, but youve got the spirit
You actually WERE the first person I thought of when I heard the news😂😂.
I look at it like ‘God works in mysterious ways’
Don't use God for this, from everything I have read in the Bible, I don't think God condones murder, i.e. "Thou shalt not commit murder"
Same.
@@cindyrwagner6930what about the thousands of people god directly murdered in the Bible?
@@cindyrwagner6930 that may be true, but that doesn't mean he hasn't used people to kill others.
The god of the Old Testament is the most brutal entity ever written into a book.
Any prosecutors who have failed to bring to justice the true criminals in the health insurance industry or their lobbying recipient accomplices should recuse themselves from this case.
When I heard the news I also immediately emailed my brother to say that it wasn't me.
Yes, please not let it get to waste.
Michael Moore documentary addresses health care in his movie " Sicko" in 2007!!! And nothing has been done.
Not true, Obama got the ACA passed, which outlawed kicking people off insurance policies for pre-existing conditions. That was a very big deal.
The shareholders still get their profits. The billionaire still get richer. The for profit system has not been affected. Yet.
Regardless of the catalyst, we need to dialogue about US privatized/ for profit health insurance. I’ve worked in healthcare for years. People routinely avoid seeking treatment because they cannot risk bankruptcy and possible homelessness, they literally DIE because our hc system rations care for corp profit; high deductibles and denials are patient responsibility. Other developed, democratic countries have universal hc. Despite aging Boomers straining the system recently, most people in those countries love their hc system and have demonstrably better outcomes and greater longevity than the US.
"Other developed, democratic countries" Saying that assumed that the US is developed and democratic. It certainly is not democratic.
I DIDN'T DO IT
BUT IF I'D DONE IT
HOW COULD YOU TELL ME THAT I WAS WRONG?
IF YOU'DA BEEN THERE
IF YOU'DA SEEN IT
I BET YA YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME
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The way I see it, the big problem with trying to say that the CEO’s murder is even a crime is that the best argument is that his death wasn’t something done through our justice system.
But I don’t think anyone alive believes there isn’t blood on that CEO’s hands that wasn’t strangely and weirdly entirely legal.
Like. Not even as an accident or as a byproduct of poor decision making.
It was his business model to outpace someone’s life or to put them at risk of debt or death.
Any attempt to say that his murder shouldn’t have happened only brings to light all the deaths that happened because of health care bureaucracy. When we weigh the death of one man versus all those who have died because of their business decisions it’s a no brainer. The trolley problem isn’t even a part of it.
The bigger crime is pretending that CEOs are even still people, because when they make the decisions that they do knowing people will die… at that point I don’t think we should consider them human anymore.
That’s not a Citizen that died, it was a monster.
Luigi is a hero, revolutionary genuis!❤❤❤
Alleged Hero.
I love love love love your take.
Luigi makes healthcare great again.
Two wrongs may not make a right but this stuff can not be allowed to continue. The law only protects these guys and our government supports them so how else can their reign end? These guys will never see the inside of an unbiased courtroom. They will never see the inside of a prison cell. There will never be any socially acceptable justice for these sociopaths so how does society stop them?
They dont play by the same rules as we do. They really dont care about us. They care about power and money. Any lives hurt along the way are just statistics. They are politicians and the 1%. They'll gladly send us off to war to die in the millions. They'll gladly knowingly sell a harmful product and deny knowing. They'll glady deny your insurance claim for any reason and use an ai so we (the working class) can't humanize the system.
Truthfully, what the hell ARE we supposed to do. Genuinely, the best we can get is like a Patch Adams. We haven't had nearly enough of people like that get the willpower and the means to make meaningful change. Most people are unfortunately trapped in the rat race of paycheck to paycheck. By being trapped, we ARE SUPPORTING the status quo, even if we dont like it. Spreading awareness won't change a damn thing. We all know the system is bad.
Violence.
I respect your optimism so much, thinking this is an opportunity that we "shouldn't waste" and create a change.
Sadly the real world doesn't work like that, but it is nice to dream that change will come. Ok, change will come, but it will be for the worst, for it is the natural direction humanity has gone for since it's inception.
Grateful for you, Doc.
Thank you and well said.
Beautiful message!
There is a Ted talk from ten years ago that predicted this!
It’s, Beware fellow Plutocrats.
The Pitchforks are Coming 👍
My mother in law's take was "why did he have to ruin his life by committing such a serious crime? He'll go to prison, y'know?!" To which everyone simultaneously responded "his life was already ruined"
One person sacrifice himself for an idea of universal healtcare that have been denied by goverment for so ling
I don't think Luigi was that in tune with the political zeitgeist. I think he just understood this situation is borked and IDed someone actually responsible.
Our country legally murders people all the time and doesn't bat an eye. So I for one saw nothing
I saw man taking.action for what he believed in, and the issue now has massive international attention. Will it make a difference? No. But I respect him for it.
I doubt the masses were all too disappointed when either King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were executed in 1793, or the Romanovs in Russia in 1918.
However, the masses were quite disappointed when only the names and ideologies that oppressed them changed.
Louis XVI was followed by a murderous council government and finally an emperor/dictator, and the tsarist regime was replaced by Bolshevik terror.
@marcromain64 Yes. Right. The history books are full of it. The following government is often more corrupt than the last.
While many things happen that draw focus away from a problem, like school "issues". Those are forgotten sometimes within hours.
But.
Insurance denials, mismanagement, fraud...
That happens daily and directly affects more people's lives.
It's not leaving anyone's attention the way other things do because it affects EVERYONE who pays premiums, deductibles, co-pays...
And it's going to get worse.
Wait until the word "pre-existing" starts getting tossed around again.
I don't know if the 2024 election will be the last free and fair one we have in this country - but I do know that regardless, the change starts with the working class realizing that they have more in common with their neighbors - whether they have blue hair or a red hat - than any of us do with Brian Thompson, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, or Nancy Pelosi.
Violence is always a lasting change, its just whether the change is for better or worse. We have already been changed by this event.
What I gave yet to hear anyone say is that what was done was a form of protest. People have been protesting this company's actions for some time, but it has fallen on deaf ears. Violent protest is not the way to get lasting change, but as you said, people are listening now; people are paying attention now. The conversation wasn't going to happen until someone got LOUD. So let's have the conversation.
I worked for a company that did work for UnitedHealthcare. They tried to deny coverage for a surgery I needed and I essentially told both UHC and my then-employer that if I had to quit my job just to sue my employer's client, I would. They reversed the decision but most people wouldn't have had the leverage I did.
Best review of emotional responses to this that I have heard.
Note that the same person who made the “murder is wrong” rule (Exodus 20:13) also made the Exodus 21:14 rule that required the UHC CEO to be cut off (for conspiring to murder tens of thousands of Americans via denials of healthcare).
I love the media spectacle too. It's like they really want to drive home that, at every level of law enforcement, the murder of a nobleman is a more heinous crime than any amount of death and suffering inflicted on the peasantry.
I’m as moved by this event as I was about Epstein’s ‘self delete’
I wish he had gone to trial so more of his co-conspirators would have been outed in open court.
@@SillyPutty3700 Which is why he didn't go to trial.
I was tempted to say something on a news report about hoping that Jimothy was miles away in a gym somewhere getting a spot from Jonathan as he did his bench press, and genuinely thought, "... You know what? Maybe not, Dr. Glauck is probably already gonna be feeling the heat, especially with the way the UA-cam algorithm keeps bringing his past skits about United to my front page ..." and stayed my hand.
When I heard I was like..well..not surprised. Not happy but not surprised.
Dr G is the best so funny 😂
Agree with all your points. Open the conversation about healthcare.
I love this man.
My genuine response was just ‘Gee, I wonder what could have possibly motivated *that.* Who could have seen this coming?’
That was my reaction..huh. Well said Doc.
This was a great speech