You can tell that Pearl is going to be living in Hungry Hermits once its fully ready to go She will be begging people to play it with her until she figures out how to do it on her own
Random thought - you've said before that you're not the best at redstone which I totally get. I think the distinction is that you may not be the best *at* redstone, but you're definitely one of the best at *doing stuff* with redstone.
I'm convinced Tango is dedicated to creating overly complicated food farms in the guise of Games. Decked out = Berry Bush farm Plate up = Almost all the foods
Well technically he isnt self employed, since even when you are self employed, you still need to create some form of company, which, as far as i can tell here, Etho didnt do. Now it has been almost 20 years since i made my degree in business administrations, but here in Germany i think a case like Etho would be treated like a company in terms of taxes, since basically he acts like one (selling a product on a regular basis for profit). That can actually happen to people here, who sell too much stuff on E-Bay, they might suddenly have to pay taxes for the sales.
Tango, small UI improvement idea: You could color code the upgrade buttons e.g., locking in and selecting green (the green nether wood) and the reshuffle button red. This way there is less confusion as players may confuse the buttons on the dropper (one time locking, one time shuffling).
CONGRATS Mrs-T I am at about 18 months in the gym, and struggling to pass that first 15 pounds of weight loss (though my cardio endurance has improved nicely), so I know the struggle, and you have every right to be proud of your accomplishment!!! Keep it up, and so will I :)
Can't really lose weight in the gym, it needs to be through diet. Easy way is eating all whole foods, make your own meals, eat a variety of healthy organic foods. lots of fruits and veggies. lots of fats, butter, olive oil, coconut oil, beef tallow, duck fat. healthy free range organic eggs and pasture raised grass-fed meat. clean carbs, organic white rice, sourdough bread. eat how people would've eaten for thousands of years in the Mediterranean.
Tango you're amazing and a genius! I love your game design and redstone-ification. I can't wait for the full game to be done and to watch people having fun with it. You're doing such a great job, well done Mr. Tek!
- For the crafter, I think that the change you made in powering it does mean that the torch powers the comparator, when a redstone signal is at 15 a comparator ignores the inventory behind it and gets powered by the signal instead. The reason why it didn't give an output was that the comparator subtracted a signal 15 from the side. The torch needs to be moved back to where it was. - For the pressure plate that opens the door to the shut off valve. I think that you can pull the redstone line from the side of the blackstone block away from the restaurant. It looks like the comparator decay clock that is behind it is part of the redstone for the old freezer exit. If it is old redstone and you can remove it you should have enough space to drag the line that way. - One worry for the table upgrade. If he customer runs out of patience before 4 more customers arrive into the restaurant, what is the purpose of having more tables? They wont be occupied until after the first customer has run out of patience and at that point you have already lost. - Coupled with the previous worry is that I think that you need to add more patience as a base. If players are having trouble getting the items in time for day 1 and 2 recipes, how difficult will the cake or pumpkin pie be? Yes it was their first time but even so it might be good to have the first days be a bit easier. I would say that the timer for the patience needs to be increased quite a bit. Experienced players can always call in customers if the early game is too easy but if it is too hard for beginners they can't make it easier. - For Cub and Pearl's second test that had issues starting, it looks like the customer that didn't break after the test before (closest to the phone) never triggered the string that is meant to shoot the arrow and set that slot as vacant. As the slot was still occupied with no patience left it sent a continuous signal to end the game. Please check that the string to detect exiting customers is there. If the string is there you have a bigger issue with the armour stand not always triggering the string. - As there was a continuous end signal Pearl and Cub appeared to manage to set the game in an odd state as they triggered the day start when you pushed the game on button. The game instantly turned off due to the table that was still out of patience from before but a end day signal was never sent? Did the game turn off too quickly for that signal to be sent? - Scar did break a powdered snow block in the freezer when he tried to shoot Pearl with a flaming arrow just as she arrived. - Just a small reminder to wool off the dog sensor to the outside world as well as the minecart. - Repeat of idea from chat. If you rename a minecart to 'silence me' it will get the silent tag if it is within 16(?) blocks of you when you rename another entity with a name tag. This is because the datapack only checks for setting the silenced tag when a nametag is used. When I tested it it was enough to name the minecart 'silence me' for it to get the silent tag when placed but that was on a 1.20 version of the game. - DLC idea, if you add the increase in patience back when the orders are taken and fix it so that it only triggers once per customer, make it so that it fully resets the patience and make the patience clock slower. That would add in the strategy from plateup of when you should take customer order to maximise the time that you have. (If you do add this feature back make the wool tubes longer as last stream 5 lines were signalled by a single armour stand.) - Potential issue with changing the tables to hoppers covered by armour stands. Will the new armour stands be modified by the books to change poses? It happened to the armour stand that you had as the phone so it might happen here too? I don't know if the pose changer respects the locked status or not. - I'm assuming that it is a bug that you get an upgrade when you start the game, before the first day? - 1:22:17 true powers of observation moment right there, all of the white tiles in the kitchen are mushroom stems.
I'm confused on what you're talking about with the table upgrade, why should a customer running out of patience affect if other customer's can enter the restaurant? (I generally don't understand what you were trying to say with that one) Also on a personal note I think the patience is fine, Cub and Pearl really had no idea what they were doing and the upgrades should make getting items way easier.
@@moonworks7517 My concern for the patience is that it will become very difficult to make the late game items like pumpkin pie and cake even with all of the upgrades. As for the potential table issue, an example might explain it better, (all numbers are made up). A customer has 2 minutes of total patience and you get a new customer every 30 seconds on average. When the first customer enters they have 2 minutes of patience left. 2 minutes later the first customer is out of patience and 4 more customers has arrived. In this scenario you have no use for more than 4 tables as when the 5th customer arrives you have to have served and cleared the 1st customer or you will lose due to patience. Then that table will be free again so more tables than 4 are unnecessary. I know that the patience numbers and time between customers gets lower as the game progresses but the issue still stands if customer patience is lowered faster than the time between customers. The one thing that makes the extra tables worth it is if you use the phone a lot to call more customers in but there is still a question then if it is better to have customers in the queue outside to spread out on when patience is used.
@@jaek95 Oh I see what you're saying, there's no point for tables when the consistent 30 seconds means you'll never have more than 4 customer's in the restaurant since the first one would've died from hunger. Okay I get it now. For that concern Tango did implement a system where there's a ~50% chance that a customer calls in a second one when it "spawns", this was taken out in a previous stream since it was causing bugs (It may return in the future?). Also for that, the phone system that lets you spawn in more customers (Not to be confused with answering the phone) will require you to get more tables so you can serve more at once. Also to clarify, I just disagree with your stance on the patience based on what we've seen, it may become more or less clear wit more playtests but I personally think it's fine. Thanks for clarifying :D
I like that the minecraft collecting stuff off the ground is basically an implementation of the "5 second rule", if you drop something and pick it quickly enough, you can still serve them
1:42:17 the sonorous war cry of a VERY scared, Tango. 1:56:08 I nailed a support with my N8 at an art gallery, used it as a shim for a crooked table for a table saw, ... dropped that phone in the sea, twice. I'd say "they don't make them like they used to", but the new ones ain't bad either. My 1020 is still alive, but so are my older Samsungs. By contrast, my dad, a 3310 user breaks one every few years. I've gone bored fixing them for him, so i secretly bought 40 of them, brand new in the box and i keep swapping them whenever he brings it for "repairs". Should be a lifetime supply. 2:01:59 state grifting. I swear, the level of corruption is going through the roof these days.
Maybe the minecart noises won't be as bad as you think. It could work into the game design. The players will start listening for the minecart anxiously, which is funny. If you, for example, are crafting something but have to leave to answer the phone but also hear the minecart coming... much panic... much hilariousness.
I just wanna say I love how many people have discovered your vods, i remember when vod comments used to be just like 10 or sometimes less. I have been a fan of vods for a while, to the point where i get more excited for uploads from this channel rather than the main channel. As you might be able to guess by how late this comment is it takes me a while to go through my subscriptions due to all the vods, but I love just hanging out and seeing all the details and debugging
27:55 just make it part of the lore. Tell the hermits the customer perks back up again for a second, when you take their order, because you engage with them, but soon goes back down to their previous state, once they are left alone and bored.
2:36:55 idk if you’ve heard anything about this yet, but you should probably also put wool around the sensor on the backside of it near the outside… a potential cow or sheep might come by and trigger it by they’re stupid noises
Cheer up Tangooooooo!! I may not always catch you streaming due to timezones restraints but I absolutely support your passion of creating mini-games in vanilla minecraft. I really look up to your technical skills, you're doing programming but physical, more manual, limited and you're doing great. I'm really excited to see Hungry Hermits open soon.
One of the weird times some odd knowledge becomes relavent, for the conversation around 2:00:00 Yes, US Customs and Boarder Protection, is the US verison. US's import/export laws are actually quite interesting, as they're (mostly) reversed compared to the rest of the world. This was due to the US Foreign Policy during the Cold War, trying to encourage nations to do business with the states, instead of russia. This is actually where the term "3rd World Nation" comes from, referring to nations that weren't aligned with the west or the soviets. This Policy was meant to win over the "3rd World". While it has lessened these days, due to that Foreign Policy, importing to the US (usually) costs the US money. This is generally deemed acceptable, as it keeps the US involved in the world economy. Back in the 60-80s, when importing to the US, the US effectively paid the country of origin. It is also why US encourages alot of domestic manufacturing, as it reduces demand for import and encourages export. For Scar and Tango, due to that policy and it's changes over the years, Tax and Duty is only paid on items valued over $800. So it's unsurprising they aren't aware of it, and the only reason USCBP would normally get involved, is if it was a security issue. For the UK side; VAT is not paid on gifts worth less than £39 sent to the UK; the exception being excise goods such as booze, tobacoo. Customs Duty, is anything over £135 in value and/or excise goods. The amount of Customs Duty charged depends on the item's Tariff. Working out which Tariff is used means looking up the item's tariff code in a huge ring binder which is several thousand pages (assuming it hasn't been updated). There's loads of Tariffs, even just for one 'item', from memory there's 5 different codes for a "living horse" and that's before accounting for country of origin and all the rest of it. There's also exceptions and clauses on top of that. Not declaring the correct value and identity of an item is a fine, plus the tax/duties for the item, and potentially arrestable offense. I can not say which, but I was involved in a case against a well known business that was importing car parts under the wrong classification. They'd been warned and told several times prior, with what amounted to slaps on the wrist, until I got involved. The case was taken over by my seniors but I know the fine was in the millions. Insurance does play into the declaration, but is lower on the priority list (at least for UK). While not every item gets a completely checked, there's process in place to catch suspicious items; both security and declaration related. Notably here, if an item is checked, it's the person inspecting it that declares the item's value. This is normally a non-issue, the guys doing it are on your side 99% of the time. For something like collectables though, like MTG cards, the inspector might incorrectly think "Oh these things are quite expensive, £50 a card, there's 10 cards. Item is valued at £500," even though the item might only be £100. Annoyingly, alot of importers will not declare the item's value so they don't have to mess around with this (not unusual, happens more due to brexit), or they will lie to try and avoid paying the VAT/Duties they should. So it puts all this stuff onto the buyer in country. Likely the case with Cleo. That said, might be different now, general stance was; if it would generate less than £50, don't bother. That was considered the breakpoint where, unless there was another reason to, it would cost the taxpayer more than the tax/duties would generate. Take with a pinch of salt, of course, that was at nearly a decade ago now. Yes, they "hold it ransom" for 3 weeks. Otherwise they return to sender. It's 3 weeks, with the expection it will be back with the seller within a month, so you can get your refund (1 month EU right, set the standard for the time frame). The storage depots; the locks are old and rubbish. The guy with the gun, is new and very good. Import/Export security falls under counter-terrorism. While it's not exclusively those guys, there'll be at least one nearby. We don't give guns to officers often in the UK, but the guys that have them are very good shots. I used to work in Customs.
28:48 The phone lose-four-points fourth audible might have been superseded by the patience-loss sound that occurred just as #4 would have sounded? Maybe the four points were actually lost, not 3, but the sound was “overridden”…? 🤷♀️ Just a thought…I think you had discussed this during DO2 build, last season….that only one sound at a time occurs in that data pack, they can’t both happen at the same time.
43:00 I get that you think the crafter isn't a problem, but throwing something to your partner would be much worse as there is delay involved with picking up items that another player dropped. If that happens more than once per game it's going to be frustrating. Maybe have a cobweb as a save swaping station. One player can throw items on top of it, the other player can pick them up. But if you wait too long they sink to the floor and get picked up by the minecarts.
Small suggestion how to handle the minecarts around the crafter / emergency valve pressure plate. If the barrels are out of the question, I think it wouldn't make a much of a difference even if players would use the crafter as "storage"/item swap station (ofc, flushing the items out from it at the end of the game is another question) but at least for the pressure plate block you could just have the hopper pointing sideways into the minecart track right? Thus we only need to solve the issue with how to send the signal safely without toggles from the pressure plate to the emergency valve door, which as suggested during the stream, could be a sticky piston+cauldron.
Idea for start of day waiting, if you add chickens to drop some 'trash' through the roof the Hermits would have to clean up before the customers come in.
2:01:30 your face makes it look like you are hearing about import taxes and tariffs for the first time there tango. They might not apply, since the cards will be going back, but you also have to arrange that with customs.
I think having cats only in the rooms that don't have "rats" would be fun both lore wise and as a signal to the players for where they have to worry about leaving items on the floor. It would also protect the cats from the deluge.
I think it doesn't really matter if certain isolated spots like the upgrade button aren't covered by rats, since hermits would already lose time by needing to go to that spot instead of throwing items elsewhere
Taxes and more with hermits. lol Fun vod. The restraunt needs lights to kick on like Pearls!! Be so cool to kick on the lights at start of day thou I think it is prob more complications then what is needed.
@Tango you're right that is a good viewing place you should put glass planes or glass blocks up there so people can stand and run back and forth to watch but yet cant throw items.
Idea for the post-ordering pose: do you have enough room to get a subtraction signal to the comparator that drives the patience poses? If so you could quickly toggle a -1 signal on and then immediately off to trigger the correct head tilt straight away.
if you wanted an easy solution for the kitchen cat, maybe you could just have it sit on top of the white cabinets in there. very much a cat doing cat things and it won't be affected by players or floods!
I do think getting rid of the barrels on the crafter is a good idea. I think there were 2 people during playtesting who didn't understand how the crafter and barrels work together so that would simplify things.
Rather than have patientce fake reset after taking their order, you could make it actually reset after taking their order which is similar to plate up.
Honestly, the gradients and the texturing look amazing from a distance... Especially on oversize builds where a door has to be at least 6 blocks tall, but it looks bad close up. Would you be happy if you bought a new home and the walls where cracked and crumbling, the siding was made up of whatever bits the contractor happened to have left over from previous projects, it was loaded with moss and mold, the porch was half rotted, and the patio and walk ways had pot holes 3 feet wide (1m) by 18" (1/2m) deep? It looks awful close up, but "you are not a good builder if you are not a master of using texturing and color gradients so it looks good if you are standing 300 meters away"
Idk if Tango figured out a solution to the minecart sounds during this stream (I'm only halfway through), but it might work to make the rats a random event like the flooding. Play some squeaking or scurrying sound and watch the players frantically try to pick up their trash before the rats get it. Then the minecarts would only be running for a bit, so they wouldn't be constantly making sounds.
At 31:00 , the idea of pulsing the head-droop state again after the ordering state change could be accomplished by cutting off the Redstone signal. By pushing a block on the corner where the Redstone line goes down by one block to the armour stand books, and retracting that block again, you would effectively pulse the head-droop line while the timer is running, without it messing with the signal strength of the timer output Edit: nevermind, I did not notice that the signal comes from a comparator underneath and not from on top, so this idea doesn't work
US customs has similar import duties to Europe or UK... I know a couple youtubers who had to shut down their fan mail because the import fees where getting a bit much every time a fan sent a gift. There is a bottom threshold of value in which they do not bother charging, but above that value, you are getting taxed... erm import duties... that said, I had this friend a couple decades ago who was a part time jeweler, rock collector, and fossil hunter... He told a story of an old navy buddy of his from Australia he went to visit in the 80s a number of years after they got out of the navy (I am not sure what association his aussie friend had with the US navy but they had jobs where they worked together for a period of time and became friends. This buddy of his owned one of those Aussie cattle ranches that are the size of Montana. During the visit the guy said "you are into rocks and such, you should come visit the hobbie mine out back" turns out it was a large opal mine... His buddy sent him home with a 55 gallon drum full of opals of various size and quality. to protect them during shipping the guy packed them in a 55 gallon drum and poured in used motor oil to buffer them. My friend got them to customs and had only managed to say "well it is a drum of old motor oil con..." and was trying to say "containing around a quarter million dollars worth of opals", but the customs guy heard "old motor oil"... o.k. 55 gallons of waste oil... pay the import and environmental fees. NEXT! This guy also had piles of rocks containing fossils laying around int he back yard worth about a mil and a half that he rarely even bothered with. Oh how often I tried to talk him into taking me along on one of his gemstone expeditions, or to let me help him go through those piles of rock so they could be sorted, documented, and more easily sold... So many times I tried talking him into taking me on as an apprentice, but he was always afraid I would spend thousands of dollars to fly out to Asia with him and fail to find enough gems on my own to pay for my trip, much less turn a profit... I could never explain to him that to me the experience of going on one of those expeditions would have been worth the money alone, and if I managed to come back with some gems to sell, it would have been the icing on the cake, especially if it was enough to fund the next expedition. If I could make enough to pay my expenses and LEARN the tricks of the trade from him, it would have been absolutely worth it. Sometimes you come back empty handed, and he did not want to risk me blowing my life savings on a roll of the dice that we might come back with a profitable haul, or might come back empty handed. But at the same time, I was the one who understood the modern (late 90s early 00s) internet market place. he "scraped by" with old methods of word of mouth... dealers who knew he was an expert and would call him when they needed something... I would not have had those in's for selling my goods, so he was afraid I would have been struggling to sell what I found or mined... I on the other hand would have been all over EBAY (and later my own dedicated online market place) with sapphires, emeralds, rubies, fossils and whatever else he taught me how to find, and likely helped him set up the same for himself in the process. I however would have lived for those expeditions, and run a business selling the goods just to fund the next trip, and been more than happy with my life doing such. but I digress as I drift down memory lane of an old friend I lost track of a decade or so back.
2:09:25 is it bad that when Scar mentioned that the glass was premium quality, my first thought was "Oh, don't start on premium glass, we left that in Hermit Skies!" XD
no offence to cub. but his lack of excitement really killed the vibe lol. you need happy people who want to play. scar would have been better for that run through. scar skizz stress pearl xp farm singing dude and the girl with the light house. Great content in any order! yeah i had brain fog towards the end of that player list 😂😂
I agree with Scar! Why upgrade to a new phone?! I've had my S10 since it came out and its still going strong. Samsung only offers the edge screen on the Ultra models nowadays which are massive and super expensive. The edge screen is literally the only feature I care about so until they put it back on the reasonable sized phones I will be sticking with my S10
why do you like the edge screen so much?? I've never liked them because they're so exposed, I'm clumsy and the cool edge ring lighting up while its face down wasn't cool enough for the expensive repair trade-off and the weird fragile feeling I got holding it. is there something that you like that I'm missing or do you just have different phone needs?
@@timeittells the ring light is super annoying tbh but I just like the feel of it when swiping from the edge of the screen. Plus the virtually non existent bezels are super nice. I didn't find it too expensive to repair, the screen and battery are one part and I managed to avoid damaging the screen for about 4 years and at that point I needed the new battery anyways so it ended up working out super well and actually surprisingly good value.
I think it used to be a nice touch when the "game over" sound cue with all of the plates falling synced up with all the customers falling out of the restaurant - is there any way to keep that but still guarantee that any late customers get flushed as well?
Rundown of Pearl, Evan, Kaitlyn, and Skizz (Team PEKS) plate up stream: Technical difficulties, small learning curve as Evan and Kaitlyn are first time players, they quickly learn and get the hang of things, they where nailing it, Evan & Kaitlyn connection issues, more Evan and Kaitlyn connection issues, Skizz decided to move to waiter position, more Evan & Kaitlyn connection issues, Skizz has a meeting he is supposed to attend, so they call it quits as Evan & Kaitlyn connection issues are getting progressively worse and Skizz has to do his meeting in less than 5 minutes by the time he raids Tango. As for the Plate Up game play when they where able... things went predictably great with Pearl as solo server, though she apparently eventually made a mistake that cost them the first run... second run was plagued with technical difficulties, but Skizz and Kaitlyn moved to serving and Pearl moved to kitchen... They where doing great so far, but the connection issues almost ended the run for them several times.
Food for thought (heh) I don't think I've seen in any run the Queue outside actually matter. I think you could start with even less tables, making those table upgrades worth more. Actually- if you are expecting 7 customers in round 2, the queue won't matter since it breaks at 5 people? You get 3/4 in the restaurant minimum, and the others are outside, and that's not a problem. I know you were changing the queue system at somepoint (not sure if you already did), but unless you do, I don't think it matters for a long time- long enough that by the time a player loses to it it almost feels like an unexplained mechanic.
1:22:30 The entryway area you seemed to have used bone blocks, but the actual kitchen area uses mushroom stem. It even shows up in F3 😅 (aside from the visual differences when transitioning between the two areas here)
I love how the longer Tango spends on Hermitcraft the more Hermits that appear out of the woodwork lol
They are trying to look after his mental health.
He doesn't even need to implement rats in the game, he can just count on the other hermits to show up and mess with the game
You can tell that Pearl is going to be living in Hungry Hermits once its fully ready to go She will be begging people to play it with her until she figures out how to do it on her own
Gems reaction to the phone was still the best:
"The telephone is ringing again! AND ITS STILL A HAMSTER!!!
:D
Absolutely cracked me up!
Random thought - you've said before that you're not the best at redstone which I totally get. I think the distinction is that you may not be the best *at* redstone, but you're definitely one of the best at *doing stuff* with redstone.
Exactly! It's like an author of great books but with dyslexia or dysgraphia lol
He said himself that hes great at applying redstone
I'm convinced Tango is dedicated to creating overly complicated food farms in the guise of Games.
Decked out = Berry Bush farm
Plate up = Almost all the foods
we need a berry bush in Hungry Hermits as a reference. Just make a small replica of the spot tango died to
I love how when you asked etho for redstone, he sounded like a villager lol 😂😂
Etho talking about not knowing how to do Canadian self-employed taxes is far too relatable and not what I expected coming into this stream lol
Well technically he isnt self employed, since even when you are self employed, you still need to create some form of company, which, as far as i can tell here, Etho didnt do. Now it has been almost 20 years since i made my degree in business administrations, but here in Germany i think a case like Etho would be treated like a company in terms of taxes, since basically he acts like one (selling a product on a regular basis for profit). That can actually happen to people here, who sell too much stuff on E-Bay, they might suddenly have to pay taxes for the sales.
@@Daniel-rd6st no yeah that makes sense. It's the "should be self-employed but actually uncategorized rn" boat because he didn't form a company haha
Tango, small UI improvement idea: You could color code the upgrade buttons e.g., locking in and selecting green (the green nether wood) and the reshuffle button red. This way there is less confusion as players may confuse the buttons on the dropper (one time locking, one time shuffling).
I am in awe Tango, as a software engineer myself....You are top tier keeping everything straight...absolute props to you
CONGRATS Mrs-T
I am at about 18 months in the gym, and struggling to pass that first 15 pounds of weight loss (though my cardio endurance has improved nicely), so I know the struggle, and you have every right to be proud of your accomplishment!!! Keep it up, and so will I :)
Can't really lose weight in the gym, it needs to be through diet. Easy way is eating all whole foods, make your own meals, eat a variety of healthy organic foods. lots of fruits and veggies. lots of fats, butter, olive oil, coconut oil, beef tallow, duck fat. healthy free range organic eggs and pasture raised grass-fed meat. clean carbs, organic white rice, sourdough bread. eat how people would've eaten for thousands of years in the Mediterranean.
Petition to call the navigation of complex redstone "dancing the noodles tango".
Last time I watched a vod Hungry Hermits was so less finished! Great job Tango!
1:41:32 the way Scar flew out of there is so freaking funny. Watch the character animation
Tango you're amazing and a genius! I love your game design and redstone-ification. I can't wait for the full game to be done and to watch people having fun with it. You're doing such a great job, well done Mr. Tek!
- For the crafter, I think that the change you made in powering it does mean that the torch powers the comparator, when a redstone signal is at 15 a comparator ignores the inventory behind it and gets powered by the signal instead. The reason why it didn't give an output was that the comparator subtracted a signal 15 from the side. The torch needs to be moved back to where it was.
- For the pressure plate that opens the door to the shut off valve. I think that you can pull the redstone line from the side of the blackstone block away from the restaurant. It looks like the comparator decay clock that is behind it is part of the redstone for the old freezer exit. If it is old redstone and you can remove it you should have enough space to drag the line that way.
- One worry for the table upgrade. If he customer runs out of patience before 4 more customers arrive into the restaurant, what is the purpose of having more tables? They wont be occupied until after the first customer has run out of patience and at that point you have already lost.
- Coupled with the previous worry is that I think that you need to add more patience as a base. If players are having trouble getting the items in time for day 1 and 2 recipes, how difficult will the cake or pumpkin pie be? Yes it was their first time but even so it might be good to have the first days be a bit easier. I would say that the timer for the patience needs to be increased quite a bit. Experienced players can always call in customers if the early game is too easy but if it is too hard for beginners they can't make it easier.
- For Cub and Pearl's second test that had issues starting, it looks like the customer that didn't break after the test before (closest to the phone) never triggered the string that is meant to shoot the arrow and set that slot as vacant. As the slot was still occupied with no patience left it sent a continuous signal to end the game. Please check that the string to detect exiting customers is there. If the string is there you have a bigger issue with the armour stand not always triggering the string.
- As there was a continuous end signal Pearl and Cub appeared to manage to set the game in an odd state as they triggered the day start when you pushed the game on button. The game instantly turned off due to the table that was still out of patience from before but a end day signal was never sent? Did the game turn off too quickly for that signal to be sent?
- Scar did break a powdered snow block in the freezer when he tried to shoot Pearl with a flaming arrow just as she arrived.
- Just a small reminder to wool off the dog sensor to the outside world as well as the minecart.
- Repeat of idea from chat. If you rename a minecart to 'silence me' it will get the silent tag if it is within 16(?) blocks of you when you rename another entity with a name tag. This is because the datapack only checks for setting the silenced tag when a nametag is used. When I tested it it was enough to name the minecart 'silence me' for it to get the silent tag when placed but that was on a 1.20 version of the game.
- DLC idea, if you add the increase in patience back when the orders are taken and fix it so that it only triggers once per customer, make it so that it fully resets the patience and make the patience clock slower. That would add in the strategy from plateup of when you should take customer order to maximise the time that you have. (If you do add this feature back make the wool tubes longer as last stream 5 lines were signalled by a single armour stand.)
- Potential issue with changing the tables to hoppers covered by armour stands. Will the new armour stands be modified by the books to change poses? It happened to the armour stand that you had as the phone so it might happen here too? I don't know if the pose changer respects the locked status or not.
- I'm assuming that it is a bug that you get an upgrade when you start the game, before the first day?
- 1:22:17 true powers of observation moment right there, all of the white tiles in the kitchen are mushroom stems.
I'm confused on what you're talking about with the table upgrade, why should a customer running out of patience affect if other customer's can enter the restaurant? (I generally don't understand what you were trying to say with that one)
Also on a personal note I think the patience is fine, Cub and Pearl really had no idea what they were doing and the upgrades should make getting items way easier.
@@moonworks7517 My concern for the patience is that it will become very difficult to make the late game items like pumpkin pie and cake even with all of the upgrades.
As for the potential table issue, an example might explain it better, (all numbers are made up). A customer has 2 minutes of total patience and you get a new customer every 30 seconds on average. When the first customer enters they have 2 minutes of patience left. 2 minutes later the first customer is out of patience and 4 more customers has arrived. In this scenario you have no use for more than 4 tables as when the 5th customer arrives you have to have served and cleared the 1st customer or you will lose due to patience. Then that table will be free again so more tables than 4 are unnecessary. I know that the patience numbers and time between customers gets lower as the game progresses but the issue still stands if customer patience is lowered faster than the time between customers. The one thing that makes the extra tables worth it is if you use the phone a lot to call more customers in but there is still a question then if it is better to have customers in the queue outside to spread out on when patience is used.
@@jaek95 Oh I see what you're saying, there's no point for tables when the consistent 30 seconds means you'll never have more than 4 customer's in the restaurant since the first one would've died from hunger. Okay I get it now.
For that concern Tango did implement a system where there's a ~50% chance that a customer calls in a second one when it "spawns", this was taken out in a previous stream since it was causing bugs (It may return in the future?).
Also for that, the phone system that lets you spawn in more customers (Not to be confused with answering the phone) will require you to get more tables so you can serve more at once.
Also to clarify, I just disagree with your stance on the patience based on what we've seen, it may become more or less clear wit more playtests but I personally think it's fine.
Thanks for clarifying :D
i love your vods tangotek dhsksj it is a Stressful night in America and my day is happier because of you
Thanks for uploading the vods to YT so quickly. Twitch vods are not a pleasant experience for me, and with UA-cam Premium YT is my happy place. 😁
I like that the minecraft collecting stuff off the ground is basically an implementation of the "5 second rule", if you drop something and pick it quickly enough, you can still serve them
some countries customs treat TCG cards as gambling related items, and people may be taxed more because of this
I love the patience sounds. All your big games have used your voice.
Congrats to Mrs. T on her fitness progress!! 💪🏻💕 she is so awesome
I really like how the cat stands up and looks like it's freaking out during the floods. Unintentional but a great touch!
1:42:17 the sonorous war cry of a VERY scared, Tango.
1:56:08 I nailed a support with my N8 at an art gallery, used it as a shim for a crooked table for a table saw, ... dropped that phone in the sea, twice. I'd say "they don't make them like they used to", but the new ones ain't bad either. My 1020 is still alive, but so are my older Samsungs. By contrast, my dad, a 3310 user breaks one every few years. I've gone bored fixing them for him, so i secretly bought 40 of them, brand new in the box and i keep swapping them whenever he brings it for "repairs". Should be a lifetime supply.
2:01:59 state grifting. I swear, the level of corruption is going through the roof these days.
Maybe the minecart noises won't be as bad as you think. It could work into the game design. The players will start listening for the minecart anxiously, which is funny. If you, for example, are crafting something but have to leave to answer the phone but also hear the minecart coming... much panic... much hilariousness.
To silence minecarts I think you meant Quiet You.
skizz is so funny LMAO
I just wanna say I love how many people have discovered your vods, i remember when vod comments used to be just like 10 or sometimes less. I have been a fan of vods for a while, to the point where i get more excited for uploads from this channel rather than the main channel. As you might be able to guess by how late this comment is it takes me a while to go through my subscriptions due to all the vods, but I love just hanging out and seeing all the details and debugging
etho does tax fraud?
aight ima go do tax fraud. i learn from the elders
Suggestion, add a chest in the end of day room for them to bring food in and eat in between days
27:55 just make it part of the lore.
Tell the hermits the customer perks back up again for a second, when you take their order, because you engage with them, but soon goes back down to their previous state, once they are left alone and bored.
2:36:55 idk if you’ve heard anything about this yet, but you should probably also put wool around the sensor on the backside of it near the outside… a potential cow or sheep might come by and trigger it by they’re stupid noises
Cheer up Tangooooooo!!
I may not always catch you streaming due to timezones restraints but I absolutely support your passion of creating mini-games in vanilla minecraft. I really look up to your technical skills, you're doing programming but physical, more manual, limited and you're doing great. I'm really excited to see Hungry Hermits open soon.
1:49:15 Some times it almost feels rude to always say "Scar will fall down there" about any drop in the game floor, but then there's this.
I know I'm late watching but, I was saving the video for today. Love your videos!!
Tango and Pearlo interactions are so wholesome.
This may be the greatest UA-cam title I've ever seen
One of the weird times some odd knowledge becomes relavent, for the conversation around 2:00:00
Yes, US Customs and Boarder Protection, is the US verison.
US's import/export laws are actually quite interesting, as they're (mostly) reversed compared to the rest of the world. This was due to the US Foreign Policy during the Cold War, trying to encourage nations to do business with the states, instead of russia. This is actually where the term "3rd World Nation" comes from, referring to nations that weren't aligned with the west or the soviets. This Policy was meant to win over the "3rd World".
While it has lessened these days, due to that Foreign Policy, importing to the US (usually) costs the US money. This is generally deemed acceptable, as it keeps the US involved in the world economy. Back in the 60-80s, when importing to the US, the US effectively paid the country of origin. It is also why US encourages alot of domestic manufacturing, as it reduces demand for import and encourages export.
For Scar and Tango, due to that policy and it's changes over the years, Tax and Duty is only paid on items valued over $800. So it's unsurprising they aren't aware of it, and the only reason USCBP would normally get involved, is if it was a security issue.
For the UK side;
VAT is not paid on gifts worth less than £39 sent to the UK; the exception being excise goods such as booze, tobacoo.
Customs Duty, is anything over £135 in value and/or excise goods. The amount of Customs Duty charged depends on the item's Tariff. Working out which Tariff is used means looking up the item's tariff code in a huge ring binder which is several thousand pages (assuming it hasn't been updated). There's loads of Tariffs, even just for one 'item', from memory there's 5 different codes for a "living horse" and that's before accounting for country of origin and all the rest of it. There's also exceptions and clauses on top of that.
Not declaring the correct value and identity of an item is a fine, plus the tax/duties for the item, and potentially arrestable offense. I can not say which, but I was involved in a case against a well known business that was importing car parts under the wrong classification. They'd been warned and told several times prior, with what amounted to slaps on the wrist, until I got involved. The case was taken over by my seniors but I know the fine was in the millions.
Insurance does play into the declaration, but is lower on the priority list (at least for UK).
While not every item gets a completely checked, there's process in place to catch suspicious items; both security and declaration related. Notably here, if an item is checked, it's the person inspecting it that declares the item's value. This is normally a non-issue, the guys doing it are on your side 99% of the time. For something like collectables though, like MTG cards, the inspector might incorrectly think "Oh these things are quite expensive, £50 a card, there's 10 cards. Item is valued at £500," even though the item might only be £100.
Annoyingly, alot of importers will not declare the item's value so they don't have to mess around with this (not unusual, happens more due to brexit), or they will lie to try and avoid paying the VAT/Duties they should. So it puts all this stuff onto the buyer in country. Likely the case with Cleo.
That said, might be different now, general stance was; if it would generate less than £50, don't bother. That was considered the breakpoint where, unless there was another reason to, it would cost the taxpayer more than the tax/duties would generate. Take with a pinch of salt, of course, that was at nearly a decade ago now.
Yes, they "hold it ransom" for 3 weeks. Otherwise they return to sender. It's 3 weeks, with the expection it will be back with the seller within a month, so you can get your refund (1 month EU right, set the standard for the time frame).
The storage depots; the locks are old and rubbish. The guy with the gun, is new and very good. Import/Export security falls under counter-terrorism. While it's not exclusively those guys, there'll be at least one nearby. We don't give guns to officers often in the UK, but the guys that have them are very good shots.
I used to work in Customs.
genuinely one of the craziest youtube comments i’ve ever read
28:48 The phone lose-four-points fourth audible might have been superseded by the patience-loss sound that occurred just as #4 would have sounded? Maybe the four points were actually lost, not 3, but the sound was “overridden”…? 🤷♀️ Just a thought…I think you had discussed this during DO2 build, last season….that only one sound at a time occurs in that data pack, they can’t both happen at the same time.
Yess!!! I love that the minecarts are back!
43:00 I get that you think the crafter isn't a problem, but throwing something to your partner would be much worse as there is delay involved with picking up items that another player dropped. If that happens more than once per game it's going to be frustrating.
Maybe have a cobweb as a save swaping station. One player can throw items on top of it, the other player can pick them up. But if you wait too long they sink to the floor and get picked up by the minecarts.
Small suggestion how to handle the minecarts around the crafter / emergency valve pressure plate.
If the barrels are out of the question, I think it wouldn't make a much of a difference even if players would use the crafter as "storage"/item swap station (ofc, flushing the items out from it at the end of the game is another question) but at least for the pressure plate block you could just have the hopper pointing sideways into the minecart track right?
Thus we only need to solve the issue with how to send the signal safely without toggles from the pressure plate to the emergency valve door, which as suggested during the stream, could be a sticky piston+cauldron.
Idea for start of day waiting, if you add chickens to drop some 'trash' through the roof the Hermits would have to clean up before the customers come in.
Southwest vs Northwest. One knows the sun burns and is angry the other thinks people need a sun roof for their caves.
2:01:30 your face makes it look like you are hearing about import taxes and tariffs for the first time there tango.
They might not apply, since the cards will be going back, but you also have to arrange that with customs.
An idea for early day wait: add a sound that is a funny memo from management saying that they need to better!
lol
I think having cats only in the rooms that don't have "rats" would be fun both lore wise and as a signal to the players for where they have to worry about leaving items on the floor. It would also protect the cats from the deluge.
I think it doesn't really matter if certain isolated spots like the upgrade button aren't covered by rats, since hermits would already lose time by needing to go to that spot instead of throwing items elsewhere
Taxes and more with hermits. lol Fun vod.
The restraunt needs lights to kick on like Pearls!! Be so cool to kick on the lights at start of day thou I think it is prob more complications then what is needed.
Every time the phone rings I hear “Etho Senpai hmmmm…”
2:26:00 new test run with cub and pearly!
@Tango you're right that is a good viewing place you should put glass planes or glass blocks up there so people can stand and run back and forth to watch but yet cant throw items.
You should add TFC's head to the game.
Idea for the post-ordering pose: do you have enough room to get a subtraction signal to the comparator that drives the patience poses? If so you could quickly toggle a -1 signal on and then immediately off to trigger the correct head tilt straight away.
Tango’s Plate It Up has some great Lofi music. 🥰😍
3:04 pealr’s light system is amazing
Having the hermit heads was a small change to make but it had massive impact on the enjoyment of the game!
You could make a music disc play constantly the minecart sound with some other restaurant ambiance so players subconsciously filter the sound out
Not gonna lie, heroes of might and magic 3 in mindcraft sounds really, really cool.
I really miss that game it was so much fun.
Why does this Mindcraft Genius not have at least a Million Subs?
Because this is his Second Channel, his main one is Tango Tek with currently 1,14 million subscribers
2:19:10 love the look etho gave to tango 😂😅
We just wanted to hear more music from Joel but don't worry when He gets his new shop done you can listen to all the chart toppers
The cauldron in the kitchen could be an upgrade. Since cauldrons can be moved / swapped with pistons
1:00:51 i was born to bork, so i will bork!
Thank you for reminding me to take my vitamin D today lmaoooo
Whoa, Heroes of Might and Magic jumpscare
Soundtrack suggestion (the soundtrack is already perfect) last day could have higher pitch, for the extra sped-up feeling
Can't have a tango game without a hermit dieing
1:39:50 lmao, the perfect chance to throw out a classic!
2:03:26 we just had a heist in Australia of a heap of Bluey coins, I think Scar could pull off getting the cards
Tango! I was in chat yesterday but had to dip! Was ton of fun!
if you wanted an easy solution for the kitchen cat, maybe you could just have it sit on top of the white cabinets in there. very much a cat doing cat things and it won't be affected by players or floods!
great stream tango! i know you were frustrated but it was still super fun to watch pearl and cub play!
I do think getting rid of the barrels on the crafter is a good idea. I think there were 2 people during playtesting who didn't understand how the crafter and barrels work together so that would simplify things.
Rather than have patientce fake reset after taking their order, you could make it actually reset after taking their order which is similar to plate up.
Snails were hilarious. Everyone was screaming when the snails got close.
Anything you import, you have to pay if it's over a certain value. The value amount is different for every country as is also the fee.
36:30 You could add Hermit-friend heads if you wanted to.
It's a SCAR-LIGHT😂😂😂😂
Honestly, the gradients and the texturing look amazing from a distance... Especially on oversize builds where a door has to be at least 6 blocks tall, but it looks bad close up. Would you be happy if you bought a new home and the walls where cracked and crumbling, the siding was made up of whatever bits the contractor happened to have left over from previous projects, it was loaded with moss and mold, the porch was half rotted, and the patio and walk ways had pot holes 3 feet wide (1m) by 18" (1/2m) deep? It looks awful close up, but "you are not a good builder if you are not a master of using texturing and color gradients so it looks good if you are standing 300 meters away"
Idk if Tango figured out a solution to the minecart sounds during this stream (I'm only halfway through), but it might work to make the rats a random event like the flooding. Play some squeaking or scurrying sound and watch the players frantically try to pick up their trash before the rats get it. Then the minecarts would only be running for a bit, so they wouldn't be constantly making sounds.
At 31:00 , the idea of pulsing the head-droop state again after the ordering state change could be accomplished by cutting off the Redstone signal. By pushing a block on the corner where the Redstone line goes down by one block to the armour stand books, and retracting that block again, you would effectively pulse the head-droop line while the timer is running, without it messing with the signal strength of the timer output
Edit: nevermind, I did not notice that the signal comes from a comparator underneath and not from on top, so this idea doesn't work
Tango, ngl your voice makes me weak ❤😊 love your content.
Garcia's hack: order water for free chips and salas lol
Depending on the exact datapack you're using, you might be about to use a "silence" nametag on minecarts.
US customs has similar import duties to Europe or UK... I know a couple youtubers who had to shut down their fan mail because the import fees where getting a bit much every time a fan sent a gift. There is a bottom threshold of value in which they do not bother charging, but above that value, you are getting taxed... erm import duties... that said, I had this friend a couple decades ago who was a part time jeweler, rock collector, and fossil hunter... He told a story of an old navy buddy of his from Australia he went to visit in the 80s a number of years after they got out of the navy (I am not sure what association his aussie friend had with the US navy but they had jobs where they worked together for a period of time and became friends. This buddy of his owned one of those Aussie cattle ranches that are the size of Montana. During the visit the guy said "you are into rocks and such, you should come visit the hobbie mine out back" turns out it was a large opal mine... His buddy sent him home with a 55 gallon drum full of opals of various size and quality. to protect them during shipping the guy packed them in a 55 gallon drum and poured in used motor oil to buffer them. My friend got them to customs and had only managed to say "well it is a drum of old motor oil con..." and was trying to say "containing around a quarter million dollars worth of opals", but the customs guy heard "old motor oil"... o.k. 55 gallons of waste oil... pay the import and environmental fees. NEXT!
This guy also had piles of rocks containing fossils laying around int he back yard worth about a mil and a half that he rarely even bothered with.
Oh how often I tried to talk him into taking me along on one of his gemstone expeditions, or to let me help him go through those piles of rock so they could be sorted, documented, and more easily sold... So many times I tried talking him into taking me on as an apprentice, but he was always afraid I would spend thousands of dollars to fly out to Asia with him and fail to find enough gems on my own to pay for my trip, much less turn a profit... I could never explain to him that to me the experience of going on one of those expeditions would have been worth the money alone, and if I managed to come back with some gems to sell, it would have been the icing on the cake, especially if it was enough to fund the next expedition. If I could make enough to pay my expenses and LEARN the tricks of the trade from him, it would have been absolutely worth it. Sometimes you come back empty handed, and he did not want to risk me blowing my life savings on a roll of the dice that we might come back with a profitable haul, or might come back empty handed. But at the same time, I was the one who understood the modern (late 90s early 00s) internet market place. he "scraped by" with old methods of word of mouth... dealers who knew he was an expert and would call him when they needed something... I would not have had those in's for selling my goods, so he was afraid I would have been struggling to sell what I found or mined... I on the other hand would have been all over EBAY (and later my own dedicated online market place) with sapphires, emeralds, rubies, fossils and whatever else he taught me how to find, and likely helped him set up the same for himself in the process. I however would have lived for those expeditions, and run a business selling the goods just to fund the next trip, and been more than happy with my life doing such.
but I digress as I drift down memory lane of an old friend I lost track of a decade or so back.
Just say the minecart sounds is actually traffic outside. It's part of the ambiance of a small hole-in-wall diner
Hello I'm a pretty big fan
Instead of slabs, use glass. Right clicking the slab instead of the rail would equal disaster.
2:21:58 Dubledor is my favorite character in Harry Potter.
2:23:29 Etho noise
2:09:25 is it bad that when Scar mentioned that the glass was premium quality, my first thought was "Oh, don't start on premium glass, we left that in Hermit Skies!" XD
no offence to cub. but his lack of excitement really killed the vibe lol. you need happy people who want to play. scar would have been better for that run through.
scar skizz stress pearl xp farm singing dude and the girl with the light house. Great content in any order! yeah i had brain fog towards the end of that player list 😂😂
I agree with Scar! Why upgrade to a new phone?! I've had my S10 since it came out and its still going strong. Samsung only offers the edge screen on the Ultra models nowadays which are massive and super expensive. The edge screen is literally the only feature I care about so until they put it back on the reasonable sized phones I will be sticking with my S10
why do you like the edge screen so much?? I've never liked them because they're so exposed, I'm clumsy and the cool edge ring lighting up while its face down wasn't cool enough for the expensive repair trade-off and the weird fragile feeling I got holding it. is there something that you like that I'm missing or do you just have different phone needs?
@@timeittells the ring light is super annoying tbh but I just like the feel of it when swiping from the edge of the screen. Plus the virtually non existent bezels are super nice. I didn't find it too expensive to repair, the screen and battery are one part and I managed to avoid damaging the screen for about 4 years and at that point I needed the new battery anyways so it ended up working out super well and actually surprisingly good value.
@b30233 very cool! lucky about the battery, good to know I'm not missing any awesome features and it's just an opinion difference lol
it should be Tango calls for aid haha
1:50:10 Scar's Spontaneous Skylight Service
I think it used to be a nice touch when the "game over" sound cue with all of the plates falling synced up with all the customers falling out of the restaurant - is there any way to keep that but still guarantee that any late customers get flushed as well?
Rundown of Pearl, Evan, Kaitlyn, and Skizz (Team PEKS) plate up stream: Technical difficulties, small learning curve as Evan and Kaitlyn are first time players, they quickly learn and get the hang of things, they where nailing it, Evan & Kaitlyn connection issues, more Evan and Kaitlyn connection issues, Skizz decided to move to waiter position, more Evan & Kaitlyn connection issues, Skizz has a meeting he is supposed to attend, so they call it quits as Evan & Kaitlyn connection issues are getting progressively worse and Skizz has to do his meeting in less than 5 minutes by the time he raids Tango. As for the Plate Up game play when they where able... things went predictably great with Pearl as solo server, though she apparently eventually made a mistake that cost them the first run... second run was plagued with technical difficulties, but Skizz and Kaitlyn moved to serving and Pearl moved to kitchen... They where doing great so far, but the connection issues almost ended the run for them several times.
Food for thought (heh) I don't think I've seen in any run the Queue outside actually matter. I think you could start with even less tables, making those table upgrades worth more. Actually- if you are expecting 7 customers in round 2, the queue won't matter since it breaks at 5 people? You get 3/4 in the restaurant minimum, and the others are outside, and that's not a problem. I know you were changing the queue system at somepoint (not sure if you already did), but unless you do, I don't think it matters for a long time- long enough that by the time a player loses to it it almost feels like an unexplained mechanic.
you should check your shops tango!
1:22:30 The entryway area you seemed to have used bone blocks, but the actual kitchen area uses mushroom stem. It even shows up in F3 😅 (aside from the visual differences when transitioning between the two areas here)
Skibidi Scar