Beauden and his brothers actually lived in Ireland for a year when he was 8 believe it or not. They were playing for GAA teams and all the rest of it. Admittedly we were only crawling off the floor from being useless at rugby then. Wouldn’t mind seeing him at Leinster or even one of the other Irish provinces for a stint. Top quality player.
would also love that for a season, atleast we got sam prendergast coming up to look forward to. Ross Byrnes been very good in blue too this season imo.
Lots of players leaving England. Club salary caps means the money is limited in English game. Many stars off to France 🇫🇷. Can’t blame lads careers are short
NZ had arguably the best domestic competition in the world before Super Rugby. Some South Africans reading this may disagree. When I was a kid our stadiums were sold out for NPC games.
We don't have the money to pay our NPC and Super rugby players. NZRU needs to find the money to keep our top players in NZ. Loyalty as an incentive is not going to last in keeping All Blacks in NZ. I feel for our game because money is everything and we don't have a lot. This is why many people don't go to club games, NPC and Super because our top players are playing overseas which makes our local games unattractive. We should look at NRL and develop something similar with rugby. And avoid what is happening with the English national soccer team suffering from having far too many foreigners playing their competition.
NZ rugby unfortunately have forgotten that rugby is international game & since the game has gone professional the like of French Japan & another nations that's on the move very quietly & is opening up is the United States & New Zealand eg needs to embrace that the young players are now going overseas to where they get payed & play rugby as they said in previous episodes there is only a limited number they can retain on the books and so NZRU with the future of young player are not going to hang around to wear the AB Jersey the opportunities is that they can play for the required time to be eligible to become a citizen of that country & play & represent that country we seeing this in Ireland Japan that NZ born players are representing there adopted country to play rugby & may never get the opportunity to play in the AB Jersey times are moving very fast it the way of the future.
Bums on seats? Your stadiums are even more empty now that the SA teams have left! I don't watch Super Rugby anymore purely because the level has dropped so much. NZ are back tracking on their own rules because they know it's a sinking ship if they keep going the way they are.
The level hasnt dropped at all, the audience has .. but lets not forget you SA lost to NZ and Australia last year mate lol so the level is still the same
@@tafatapaleao4588 i like the pacific island teams but i also thought the SA teams were Good too. The fijian team is awesome! Personally i like the super rugby competition but they cant seem to sell any tickets in nz or oz
@@tafatapaleao4588 😂😂😂😂 Aus lost to everyone last year. They only won 5 and 2 of those were against SA if I'm not mistaken, which adds creedence to the conspiracy theories if that's your thing. This year Aus gets to playin in SA and hopefully no NZ refs assigned so they probably have a slight chance for a cricket score and an even better chance for a win.
I haven't been to a super rugby game in 3 years, I've watched 2 on tv this year, but watching plenty of URC and Heineken cup. Nzru seriously need to rethink their future, if they want one
Bums on seats. Too expensive, crap stadium in Christchurch, no atmosphere in Crusaders home ground, too much influence with TMO and ref. Much prefer to watch 7’s
@@ChrisBrown-or8ky I’ve been saying this for years: scrap super rugby, it’s basically dead anyway. Use the silver lake money and turn the NPC into a fully professional league. Attract global talent to our league instead of other comps attracting all of our players. Bring back tribalism and real rugby rivalries back to Nz rugby, get rugby back playing in the smaller cities where they actually appreciate it. Rugby is dead in NZ if they don’t do this, and we’ll just end up like Brazil in football, just a breeding ground for talent for other countrys to come and profit off.
@@FloodyNZ intensity, standard of play, tactics. Not every team is of the highest quality, but the cream rises. La Rochelle vs Sarries last weekend was orsum. Easy example - blues 2022 were deservedly hosting the SR final, but their lineout was outplayed time after time, including by THE FORCE!!! No way a Heineken cup team gets to the final or semis without a competent lineout. It's such a critical part of the game now
@@aj-qj4lt yeah but what’s the solution? From what I understand ( and I don’t live in Nz anymore) Tv rights is their main source of income . Weaken the local comp may kill that off .
SA had been threatening to leave Super Rugby long before Covid put the competition on hold which was when SA decided to leave and now they're playing the victim. They've also made no secret of wanting to join the 6 Nations. In my opinion if the 6 Nations want to add another team it should be Georgia if they want to grow the game in Europe. Rugby player numbers and spectators have been in decline for the past few decades in NZ. Rugby union is also competing with rugby league, basketball, MMA and other sports. More school kids play basketball than rugby union and MMA is the fastest growing sport.
@@wellingtonian2009 whaaat, kids there are mad, why would one choose basket ball over rugby. What is the reason for the decline? I see rugby league is big over there, was shocked to see how packed the stadiums at rugby league games are. There's no playing the victim here, New Zealand was too careless with superugby during covid, did they forget how much they enjoy Playing South African teams, even new zealand coaches were complaining.
@@Geezweez788 the demographics in NZ have changed dramatically. NZ has a large immigrant population from non rugby playing nations. Also many of our young basketball players have been offered scholarships in the US and some are playing in the NBA. Even a lot of NZers are fed up with all the rule changes and stop starts in rugby union. Rugby league is faster and less stoppages. South Africa had been threatening to leave Super Rugby every time they couldn't get their way. The conference system for example insured weaker SA teams made the playoffs regardless. One year the Lions were given a home semi and final despite having less points than all the NZ teams. Then SA demanded more SA teams and all that did was made SA teams even weaker because it diluted and spread their talent even thinner.
@@EatDeze that’s my point ye clown. We know we have foreign born players as does France, Italy, England, wales and Scotland. And we actually don’t have that many. My point was any time we lost to NZ, we lost to NZ and called them the best in the world. We NEVER spoke about their foreign born players. But any time we play NZ they can’t stop talking about ours. Rude beyond belief. It’s always done in a manner that is designed to denigrate any improvements we make or mitigate any loss you have against us. It’s a way of saying “well we didn’t really lose to IRELAND, we lost to our own”! THAT’S THE POINT!! That’s why I said it. Because you too have foreign players and we never mention it! So I did!!
A clue to the problem with "Super Rugby" is in the name. The whole thing is a corny, trashy "America but worse" franchise entertainment sh*tshow. Awarded Franchise synthetic leagues have never brought crowds outside the US, and in fact don't in the US either unless the teams/league predates it in some form, thus having ingrained local roots of some sort. The partial exception of the URC is entirely due to the success of the Irish teams, which they achieved by DIRECTLY converting their provincial teams into pro teams, without any coating of trash branding or catchment areas or whatever. The provincial union has a team, it competes, that's it. Granted, the geography in Ireland made it easy - to create similarly viable union set ups you might have to merge some unions along the lines of defunct provinces or whatever, but you have to actually do it - not parcel out "catchment areas". Basically, a professionalized NPC, with merged unions if you must. The wrong headed approach taken in Super Rugby of "entertainment business first, sporting competition second" is highlighted by the worthless effort to create "more scoring". People don't turn up to watch lots of scoring, they turn up to watch something they care about, a team which represents them. Meaningful, intense competition is what puts bums on seats. The very first thing that needs to happen is stop calling the teams by their crappy nicknames. Even in the states they don't use the nickname on the in-match scoreboard. Its Wellington vs Canterbury, not Crusaders vs The Hurricanes. Super Rugby sucks ass in every conceivable way, and needs to be converted from a failed entertainment business into a healthy sporting competition.
your right super rugby and the Franchise system sux hard they should have fully professinalise the new zealand rugby provinces like the NPC National Provincal Championship our demestic championship should have been the professinal league in new zealand there are over 27 provincal unions in nz like there could have been three professinal set ups in new zealand like a divsion 3 comp of 9 provicial sides playing professinaly call it the the mite 10 cup or some thing or brian lohore cup auto matic promation to division 2 professinal comp 9 provincal teams in that pro league call that the itm cup or colin meads cup for that comp auto matic promoted to first divsion and frist division 9 provincal battle it out for the air new zealand first diversion cup this is the top league where the ABs are playing and overseas international players play too each comp from division 3 gets payed a sertin amount the second division comp gets payed more then division 3 and the first division gets the highest amount payed out that been the top all the 27 rugby provinces are individually owned by investors and bussiness owners who have an interst in the teams separate from the nzrfu the New Zealand Rugby Football Union owns nz grassroots and club rugby and the all blacks these are just idaes but currently there not to be not the way things are at the moment but could of been
3:57 The irony of talking about players playing abroad as a drain on their resources is madness when you yourselves poach and allow foreign players play in NZ
I dont think you understood what they were talking about lol They meant is it time for NZ to pick players for the ABs from overseas clubs if theyre NZer.
@@tafatapaleao4588 I get that but there is never an opportunity missed by a SH commentator or You Tuber or journalists to raise the number of foreign born players in NH teams, especially when the SH team are playing them and especially when they lose to that NZ team. I also have a bee in my bonnet about Goldie when it comes to playing Ireland. Nov 2021 we beat NZ in Dublin and his response was “but we all know that when then come down here in the summer we beat the pants off them”. 1st game in the June Series, NZ win and he’s proud as punch. Nothing wrong with the NZ team then. Perfect working order. 2nd game, Ireland win, he says “well it’s not 15 on 15” So we didn’t really win. It took the 3rd game to give proper credit and even then it was largely evidence that NZ were shite at the moment (conveniently forgetting who great he thought they were just 2 games before), rather than that Ireland were world beaters. 6 Nations 2023. Goldie - France are the best team by far. Ireland win a grand slam in a nature which hasn’t been seen by another team since at least Englands 2003 win. All matches bar 1 had a 6 try bonus point and we could have had that last one twice, so near perfect score. Least amount of tries conceded and 20 tries scores. 2nd highest after France at 21 (thanks to that shocking England game). And after we win? No time in The a Breakdown to discuss it, save for Goldie to say that regardless France are the best. A little respect would go a long way towards likening someone or respecting his views. Especially when the respect you seek has been well earned time and time again.
You do realise that New Zealand is part of Polynesia right ie its not in Europe. I am over 50 and it has always been since childhood that Polynesian players aim to play for the All Blacks as Maori are Polynesian. It has always been this way. We did not draw territorial lines in our sand like England, Ireland, Wales etc and have long history of waging war and deceit so we therefore benefit from not having such a negative history which would otherwise prevent future generations to focus on representing one team. So the backward view held by Europeans esp the British and Irish view that NZ poaches players (we all know you’re talking about Polynesians located within the pacific islands) is not a valid point as you don’t understand the Polynesian cultural context.
@@patrickbrennan911 Poach from who? Can you elaborate cause I think you seem a bit confused and one sided! Ireland are good right now but NZ are at their worst Ireland are at their best and NZ still put 40 on you and you barely won game 2 with 15 vs 14 and lost to the maori lol how does a team who are at their worst put 40 and beat a team at their best by 20+? How?
Beauden and his brothers actually lived in Ireland for a year when he was 8 believe it or not. They were playing for GAA teams and all the rest of it. Admittedly we were only crawling off the floor from being useless at rugby then. Wouldn’t mind seeing him at Leinster or even one of the other Irish provinces for a stint. Top quality player.
Never could happen because then Ross Byrne wouldn't get game time now that Johnny won't be there
would also love that for a season, atleast we got sam prendergast coming up to look forward to. Ross Byrnes been very good in blue too this season imo.
I'd take them at Armagh if they're up for it
He wouldn’t start for Leinster
During their time in Ireland Beauden Barrett was the Irish national champion in cross country running for his age group.
Playing overseas is what rugby has over league. Rugby should embrace it not fight it.
100%
It works in the NRLs favour having all the stars not leaving ( unless they go to England Supe League )
@@jnic2165 What would you choose league in Penrith or rugby in Paris?
@@trent3727 They don't play in Paris. They play in the South of France.
@@SirOrganic What about play Rugby in Tokyo or league in Campbelltown?
Lots of players leaving England. Club salary caps means the money is limited in English game. Many stars off to France 🇫🇷. Can’t blame lads careers are short
2024 - 15.Will Jordan/Shaun Stevenson/Moorby 14.Mark Telea/Sevu Reece/Narawa 13.Reiko Ioane/Levi Aumua/Jack Goodhue/B. Ennor /B. Proctor/P Umaga-Jensen/D. McLeod 12.J. Barrett/Quinn Tupaea/David Havili/ALB/T Umaga-Jensen 11.Leicester Fanga'anuku/Caleb Clarke/Rayasi 10.Damian McKenzie/Stephen Perofeta/Josh Ioane/Brett Cameron/Ruben Love/Aidan Morgan 9.Finlay Christie/Folau Fakatava/Cortez Ratima/Cameron Roigard/Xavier Roe/Noah Hotham
Just the backs alone will already be exciting under Razor's watch
Would love to see Barrett play over here even just for a season 🇮🇪
It helps provide opportunities for others
If ardie is out. Good news for the springboks as a south african. 🎉
How so ?
OUt in 2024
That's how i felt about Schalk about 8yrs ago bro 🤣🤣 Go the Boks & ABs! 🤙🏼
@@raphaelpakileata6567same I hated him so much cause he was so good lol
@@jamesm9995he's your best player, that's why
You can have players abroad and have a successful National team.
They’re acting like there won’t be any good up and coming players who will become stars for when the older guys leave
NZ had arguably the best domestic competition in the world before Super Rugby. Some South Africans reading this may disagree. When I was a kid our stadiums were sold out for NPC games.
We don't have the money to pay our NPC and Super rugby players. NZRU needs to find the money to keep our top players in NZ. Loyalty as an incentive is not going to last in keeping All Blacks in NZ. I feel for our game because money is everything and we don't have a lot. This is why many people don't go to club games, NPC and Super because our top players are playing overseas which makes our local games unattractive. We should look at NRL and develop something similar with rugby. And avoid what is happening with the English national soccer team suffering from having far too many foreigners playing their competition.
NZ rugby unfortunately have forgotten that rugby is international game & since the game has gone professional the like of French Japan & another nations that's on the move very quietly & is opening up is the United States & New Zealand eg needs to embrace that the young players are now going overseas to where they get payed & play rugby as they said in previous episodes there is only a limited number they can retain on the books and so NZRU with the future of young player are not going to hang around to wear the AB Jersey the opportunities is that they can play for the required time to be eligible to become a citizen of that country & play & represent that country we seeing this in Ireland Japan that NZ born players are representing there adopted country to play rugby & may never get the opportunity to play in the AB Jersey times are moving very fast it the way of the future.
Bums on seats? Your stadiums are even more empty now that the SA teams have left!
I don't watch Super Rugby anymore purely because the level has dropped so much. NZ are back tracking on their own rules because they know it's a sinking ship if they keep going the way they are.
Yeah but SA stadiums are also empty. URC standard is not great apart from Leinster . French and Japan attracting all the big names
your right, it was a mistake to get rid of the SA teams
The level hasnt dropped at all, the audience has .. but lets not forget you SA lost to NZ and Australia last year mate lol so the level is still the same
@@tafatapaleao4588 i like the pacific island teams but i also thought the SA teams were Good too. The fijian team is awesome! Personally i like the super rugby competition but they cant seem to sell any tickets in nz or oz
@@tafatapaleao4588 😂😂😂😂 Aus lost to everyone last year. They only won 5 and 2 of those were against SA if I'm not mistaken, which adds creedence to the conspiracy theories if that's your thing.
This year Aus gets to playin in SA and hopefully no NZ refs assigned so they probably have a slight chance for a cricket score and an even better chance for a win.
Bums on seats
Hardly anyone at the games ??
I haven't been to a super rugby game in 3 years, I've watched 2 on tv this year, but watching plenty of URC and Heineken cup. Nzru seriously need to rethink their future, if they want one
@@ChrisBrown-or8ky What is it that gets you watching URC and Heineken Cup games over super rugby?
Bums on seats. Too expensive, crap stadium in Christchurch, no atmosphere in Crusaders home ground, too much influence with TMO and ref. Much prefer to watch 7’s
@@ChrisBrown-or8ky I’ve been saying this for years: scrap super rugby, it’s basically dead anyway. Use the silver lake money and turn the NPC into a fully professional league. Attract global talent to our league instead of other comps attracting all of our players. Bring back tribalism and real rugby rivalries back to Nz rugby, get rugby back playing in the smaller cities where they actually appreciate it. Rugby is dead in NZ if they don’t do this, and we’ll just end up like Brazil in football, just a breeding ground for talent for other countrys to come and profit off.
@@FloodyNZ intensity, standard of play, tactics. Not every team is of the highest quality, but the cream rises. La Rochelle vs Sarries last weekend was orsum. Easy example - blues 2022 were deservedly hosting the SR final, but their lineout was outplayed time after time, including by THE FORCE!!! No way a Heineken cup team gets to the final or semis without a competent lineout. It's such a critical part of the game now
Do they have to stay in nz to play for all blacks?
yes
@@aj-qj4lt unfortunately that might kill the local comp
@@aj-qj4lt yeah but what’s the solution? From what I understand ( and I don’t live in Nz anymore) Tv rights is their main source of income . Weaken the local comp may kill that off .
@@aj-qj4lt I think there may come a time when Nz in rugby are like Brazil in soccer.
Yep, NZR laws unless they had a "Giteau Law" allowing a certain number of caps for players overseas to play for NZ.
Why did you back stab SARU, now look. Things will get worse when the Boks leave the rugby championship.
SA had been threatening to leave Super Rugby long before Covid put the competition on hold which was when SA decided to leave and now they're playing the victim. They've also made no secret of wanting to join the 6 Nations. In my opinion if the 6 Nations want to add another team it should be Georgia if they want to grow the game in Europe. Rugby player numbers and spectators have been in decline for the past few decades in NZ. Rugby union is also competing with rugby league, basketball, MMA and other sports. More school kids play basketball than rugby union and MMA is the fastest growing sport.
@@wellingtonian2009 whaaat, kids there are mad, why would one choose basket ball over rugby. What is the reason for the decline? I see rugby league is big over there, was shocked to see how packed the stadiums at rugby league games are. There's no playing the victim here, New Zealand was too careless with superugby during covid, did they forget how much they enjoy Playing South African teams, even new zealand coaches were complaining.
@@Geezweez788 the demographics in NZ have changed dramatically. NZ has a large immigrant population from non rugby playing nations. Also many of our young basketball players have been offered scholarships in the US and some are playing in the NBA. Even a lot of NZers are fed up with all the rule changes and stop starts in rugby union. Rugby league is faster and less stoppages.
South Africa had been threatening to leave Super Rugby every time they couldn't get their way. The conference system for example insured weaker SA teams made the playoffs regardless. One year the Lions were given a home semi and final despite having less points than all the NZ teams. Then SA demanded more SA teams and all that did was made SA teams even weaker because it diluted and spread their talent even thinner.
0:53 another foreign born player!
James Lowe is a foreign born player but yup okay 🤣🤣🤣
@@EatDeze that’s my point ye clown. We know we have foreign born players as does France, Italy, England, wales and Scotland. And we actually don’t have that many. My point was any time we lost to NZ, we lost to NZ and called them the best in the world. We NEVER spoke about their foreign born players. But any time we play NZ they can’t stop talking about ours. Rude beyond belief. It’s always done in a manner that is designed to denigrate any improvements we make or mitigate any loss you have against us. It’s a way of saying “well we didn’t really lose to IRELAND, we lost to our own”! THAT’S THE POINT!! That’s why I said it. Because you too have foreign players and we never mention it! So I did!!
New Zealand sounds like a boring place.
Being a tad woke maybe filters the boredom
It is. Please don't come here. Very boring. Stay away
Probably not as boring as soulless Australia
@@aj-qj4lt true that lol 😂😂
@@jaynedavis3655 exactly 😂
NZ Rugby just ain’t entertaining enough for the masses 🤷🏾♂️
A clue to the problem with "Super Rugby" is in the name. The whole thing is a corny, trashy "America but worse" franchise entertainment sh*tshow. Awarded Franchise synthetic leagues have never brought crowds outside the US, and in fact don't in the US either unless the teams/league predates it in some form, thus having ingrained local roots of some sort. The partial exception of the URC is entirely due to the success of the Irish teams, which they achieved by DIRECTLY converting their provincial teams into pro teams, without any coating of trash branding or catchment areas or whatever. The provincial union has a team, it competes, that's it.
Granted, the geography in Ireland made it easy - to create similarly viable union set ups you might have to merge some unions along the lines of defunct provinces or whatever, but you have to actually do it - not parcel out "catchment areas". Basically, a professionalized NPC, with merged unions if you must.
The wrong headed approach taken in Super Rugby of "entertainment business first, sporting competition second" is highlighted by the worthless effort to create "more scoring". People don't turn up to watch lots of scoring, they turn up to watch something they care about, a team which represents them. Meaningful, intense competition is what puts bums on seats.
The very first thing that needs to happen is stop calling the teams by their crappy nicknames. Even in the states they don't use the nickname on the in-match scoreboard. Its Wellington vs Canterbury, not Crusaders vs The Hurricanes. Super Rugby sucks ass in every conceivable way, and needs to be converted from a failed entertainment business into a healthy sporting competition.
your right super rugby and the Franchise system sux hard they should have fully professinalise the new zealand rugby provinces like the NPC National Provincal Championship our demestic championship should have been the professinal league in new zealand there are over 27 provincal unions in nz like there could have been three professinal set ups in new zealand like a divsion 3 comp of 9 provicial sides playing professinaly call it the the mite 10 cup or some thing or brian lohore cup auto matic promation to division 2 professinal comp 9 provincal teams in that pro league call that the itm cup or colin meads cup for that comp auto matic promoted to first divsion and frist division 9 provincal battle it out for the air new zealand first diversion cup this is the top league where the ABs are playing and overseas international players play too each comp from division 3 gets payed a sertin amount the second division comp gets payed more then division 3 and the first division gets the highest amount payed out that been the top all the 27 rugby provinces are individually owned by investors and bussiness owners who have an interst in the teams separate from the nzrfu the New Zealand Rugby Football Union owns nz grassroots and club rugby and the all blacks these are just idaes but currently there not to be not the way things are at the moment but could of been
3:57 The irony of talking about players playing abroad as a drain on their resources is madness when you yourselves poach and allow foreign players play in NZ
I dont think you understood what they were talking about lol They meant is it time for NZ to pick players for the ABs from overseas clubs if theyre NZer.
@@tafatapaleao4588 I get that but there is never an opportunity missed by a SH commentator or You Tuber or journalists to raise the number of foreign born players in NH teams, especially when the SH team are playing them and especially when they lose to that NZ team. I also have a bee in my bonnet about Goldie when it comes to playing Ireland. Nov 2021 we beat NZ in Dublin and his response was “but we all know that when then come down here in the summer we beat the pants off them”. 1st game in the June Series, NZ win and he’s proud as punch. Nothing wrong with the NZ team then. Perfect working order. 2nd game, Ireland win, he says “well it’s not 15 on 15”
So we didn’t really win. It took the 3rd game to give proper credit and even then it was largely evidence that NZ were shite at the moment (conveniently forgetting who great he thought they were just 2 games before), rather than that Ireland were world beaters. 6 Nations 2023. Goldie - France are the best team by far. Ireland win a grand slam in a nature which hasn’t been seen by another team since at least Englands 2003 win. All matches bar 1 had a 6 try bonus point and we could have had that last one twice, so near perfect score. Least amount of tries conceded and 20 tries scores. 2nd highest after France at 21 (thanks to that shocking England game). And after we win? No time in The a Breakdown to discuss it, save for Goldie to say that regardless France are the best. A little respect would go a long way towards likening someone or respecting his views. Especially when the respect you seek has been well earned time and time again.
You do realise that New Zealand is part of Polynesia right ie its not in Europe. I am over 50 and it has always been since childhood that Polynesian players aim to play for the All Blacks as Maori are Polynesian. It has always been this way.
We did not draw territorial lines in our sand like England, Ireland, Wales etc and have long history of waging war and deceit so we therefore benefit from not having such a negative history which would otherwise prevent future generations to focus on representing one team.
So the backward view held by Europeans esp the British and Irish view that NZ poaches players (we all know you’re talking about Polynesians located within the pacific islands) is not a valid point as you don’t understand the Polynesian cultural context.
@@patrickbrennan911 Poach from who? Can you elaborate cause I think you seem a bit confused and one sided! Ireland are good right now but NZ are at their worst Ireland are at their best and NZ still put 40 on you and you barely won game 2 with 15 vs 14 and lost to the maori lol how does a team who are at their worst put 40 and beat a team at their best by 20+? How?
@@patrickbrennan911 James Lowe is New Zealander but okay
The giteau rule sux